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Fletchers of Dearham, Cumberland, England

jkairau1 — 2013-05-20 07:22:55Z

Im a newbie to this board and I am trying to get in touch with Claire Dawn Wilson who in 1999/2000 was researching the Fletchers, mainly from Dearham. I live in NZ and recently started my family tree only to discover that Claire has the same ancestors as I have. As the posts are old the email address is no longer correct.

I have hit a wall with Abraham Fletcher as to when and where he was born. He married Elizabeth Donald 1 Feb 1821 in Dearham.

Would appreciate any help. Thanks

Re: John Taylor, Keswick, Cumbria,Born 1897

ELLinSpain — 2013-05-15 15:45:49Z

ANOTHER BROTHER

Name: Henry Atkinson Taylor
A CHAFFEUR BY TRADE
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Age at enlistment: 18
Residence: 27 Greta Hamlet, Keswick
Document Year: 1917
Regimental Number: 383986 - 3RD BORDER REG'T

THEN, SENT TO OFFICER CADET UNIT - ROYAL FLYING CORPS 1917 BUT FAILED & RETUENED TO 3RD BORDER REG'T

CHANGED NO. 39500

12 APR 1920 & DISCHARGED - PRIVATE
CHANGED NO. TO 418151

VIRTUALLY ALL PAGES ARE BLANK

cannot see anything militery for Harold, Frank either

please bear in mind that a huge % of WW1 records were lost in a fire - only a small % left...

Re: John Taylor, Keswick, Cumbria,Born 1897

enidotun19 — 2013-05-15 15:18:53Z

Hi, Thank you so much for responding. My grandfather survived the war and lived to the ripe old age of 81 and although I believe he was in the Border Regiment, I can find no trace of his records. He was born in Keswick and must have enlisted in Carlisle like his brother Walter, whose records I can find.
Your response is greatly appreciated though,
Many thanks
Enid

Re: John Taylor, Keswick, Cumbria,Born 1897

ELLinSpain — 2013-05-15 14:19:55Z

????????
Name: John Taylor
Birth Place: Dalston, Cumberland
Residence: Harrington, Cumberland
Death Date: 16 May 1915
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Carlisle
Rank: Private
Regiment: Border Regiment
Battalion: 2nd Battalion
Number: 10857
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre

John Taylor, Keswick, Cumbria,Born 1897

enidotun19 — 2013-05-14 17:53:31Z

Hi,
Can anyone help to identify the uniform my grandfather is wearing ? He was a Batman in WW1 and I am assuming he joined the Border Regiment, but I cannot find his military history..
Many thanks

Flanigan's & Mc Quillan's 1830s and back

Rkennedy63 — 2013-05-14 08:59:50Z

My 3rd great grandparents are:
Peter Flanigan & Nancy McQuillan.
Both born in Belfast, Ireland according to 1861 census.
(I don't know when they came over, but sometime before they married in 1854).

Brief info:
PETER born abt 1825-29.
Died: Sept. 12, 1887 in Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland. Lived at 11 Mill St. according to Probate info on ancestry.
NANCY born abt 1833

Married in 1854
Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Marriage. The spelling is FLANEGAN in the marriage records.

Kids:
John Joseph Flanigan 1856 –
William Flanigan 1858 –
**Sarah Maria A Flanigan 1860 – ? (My g-g-grandmother)
Elizabeth Flanigan 1862 –
Agnes Flanigan 1864 –

Peter's occupations according to the 1861, 1871, 1881 censuses are:
Engine Man, Plate-layer, Fireman in a Factory.

They lived:
1861: Botchergate, Cumberland, England
1871: 84 Hinde St., Elswick, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
1881: 11 Mill St., Elswick, Northumberland, England
** Shows Peter as widow.

I don't have any info on either of their parents or siblings. Thanks.

New family member!

phoenixfawkes — 2013-05-13 10:19:55Z

I have come across another Haughan I haven't seen before...
She is an illegitimate child born to Wm Haughan of Bewcastle and Agnes Kinnear of Kirkpatrick Fleming. The baby was born in Annan in 1842 so presumably this was Wm fils rather than pere.
Entry 26 Apr 1850 in the Annan Old Church Kirk Session Minute Book 1804-1854 (available with all other kinds of goodies by post(order online) from the Family History Society of Annan)
Entry reads:
"Agnes Kinnear: Res. with husband William Roddick, Merkland, Kirkpatrick Fleming. Previously res. with mother at Dumbretton. Has two children aged 8 and 5 still unbaptized. Minister of KPF to rule on discipline and restoration of privileges. Fathers Wm Heughan (sic.) of Bewcastle and Robert Carruthers."
In the 1851 Scottish census, Agnes and William are living in Kirkpatrick Fleming. The children are all surnamed Roddick but there is Elizabeth b.1842 in Annan and Margaret b.1844, also Annan. The other Roddick children were born in Kirkpatrick Fleming.
Elizabeth went on the marry John Law in Longtown in 1860.

As I say, she is a new entry to me but if anyone else knows anything more, I would be delighted to hear from them.

Arthuret Church, Cumberland

phoenixfawkes — 2013-05-10 09:10:37Z

Does anyone know if there is a painting or drawing of the old Arthuret Church? The present church was built in 1609 but there has been a church on the site since 1150.

Re: Steel farmers at Arlecdon Cumberland

sellars148 — 2013-05-07 18:08:55Z

Thank you for replying.
Unfortunately Joseph died in 1822 before their daughter Eleanor was born.
I have tried the IGI but without any luck ,the one for Haile1786 is a relation on another branch of my family.
He did not have any relations on his wedding bond which I have a copy of.
I need to find if I can his father and then see if he is mentioned in a will. But I do not know if they lived at Arlecdon or just owned farms there.
thanks again for your help. joan.

Steel farmers at Arlecdon Cumberland

sellars148 — 2013-05-07 18:06:59Z

Please can any one help with information about a Joseph Steel who is recorded on the land Tax redemption records of 1798? He has leased a farm to a William Hunter,I know who William was but would like to find out if the mentioned Joseph had son called Joseph who married Eleanor Hunter Williams Daughter in 1818 in Harrington.
Thank you Joan

Re: Thomas Todd and Lucy Simpson family, Carlisle

rtneuville — 2013-05-06 02:17:34Z

Thank you Anthony.
I've sent you an email.

Re: Thomas Todd and Lucy Simpson family, Carlisle

anthonyjohntodd — 2013-05-04 05:00:11Z

Your Query on message board about Thomas Todd.
His father is Thomas Todd, mother Christian Hodden.
His Grandfather is Daniel Todd who married Mary Barnes.
I am related to Thomas through his fathers brother William Todd.
If you want more details of Thomas contact me at anthonyjohntodd@hotmail.com

Regards
Anthony Todd

Re: CRAGGS & MARINERS

jhall_craggs — 2013-04-29 16:54:34Z

Dear David Cragg,
Re master mariners, we have Thomas Craggs a Master Marine son of George Craggs born 1790. He moved from Stockton to Liverpool. His brother Robert Craggs built ships on the Tees 1825-1910.
Yours John Hall - Craggs

Re: Parish Registers for Whitehaven Area eg. St. Bees 1538-1837

SGilmour174 — 2013-04-26 15:45:33Z

What a great tip! I´ve never heard of this service before and hope to make use of it in the future.

Someone has now provided me with all the St Bees transcripts at reasonable cost, St James, St Nicholas, Holy Trinity still outstanding..

Re: Parish Registers for Whitehaven Area eg. St. Bees 1538-1837

debbiealogy — 2013-04-25 20:39:33Z

You can use their photoduplication service. It's free if you allow them to email the copies to you.

https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Photoduplication_...

Re: Parish Registers for Whitehaven Area eg. St. Bees 1538-1837

SGilmour174 — 2013-04-25 09:08:35Z

Thanks for your reply!

I was actually thinking of the published books.. St Bees, for instance, (amongst others) is available in 3 volumes, transcribed by H.B. Stout and published by the Cumberland and Westmorland Antiquarian and Archaeological Society.

I had hoped someone might be prepared to either sell their copies or send (electronic?) copies of the pages that refer to a few limited surnames. The books are fully indexed so fast and easy to use.

Are these books available for reference in the Whitehaven Archives??

I live abroad so can´t access the data easily eg. in the SOG in London. I also live just to far away from my nearest family history centre to make it worth a trip. Having said this, is it possible to take home microfilm rolls from a family history centre or must they be viewed in situ? If so it might be worth my while buying a microfiche reader...

Thanks for reading! I hope you can help!

Re: Phoebe Rudkin (b:1885) m Cowman

robertdpittman — 2013-04-24 11:49:28Z

Thanks for the replies. Based on your feedback, I did some more investigation to find that Phoebe is not the relative. Turns out family oral histories are based in fact but not always factual.

The relative is actually Agnes Rudkin She married Jeremiah Cowman. This info was obtained off the marriage certificate of Charles S. S. Chambers and Agnes Cowman.

Re: Parish Registers for Whitehaven Area

warncoort1 — 2013-04-24 08:39:21Z

If you order the LDS film,full details will be shown.

Parish Registers for Whitehaven Area

SGilmour174 — 2013-04-23 10:31:33Z

I´m searching for transcripts of the parish registers for St Bees (1538-1837), in the Whitehaven area, and also those for St Nicholas, Holy Trinity and St James`.

Can anyone help?

I know St Bees is indexed on family search but I´m looking for full transcripts for the whole parish.

Thanks for any pointers.

Re: William Goff (Gough) (Goffe)

linda_jiron — 2013-04-20 18:37:46Z

I am from this line also, Joshua Gough/ Charity Lunsford. I would like to know if there is any ties from this line to the Revolutionary War? Thank you. If you have any info, please e mail me at nurse_lin2002@yahoo.com

Re: 1851 Census Westlinton duplicate forms - which is correct?

BryanHoggarth — 2013-04-16 11:09:30Z

Paul,

Ho107-2428 (Westlinton NOT West Linton)
Folio Pages Images
283 1 Description
1 2 Starts with Schedule number 1, Richard BELL age 36 then his (sister crossed out) aunt age 54 a House servant
287 2 3
3 4
288 4 5
5 6
289 6 7
7 8
290 8 9
etc
292 12 13
13 14 Schedule no.s 44, 45, 46
293 14 15 End of Schedule 46 household
15 16 Schedule no.s 47 to 50, "End of First? Green
17 17 Starts with Schedule number 1, Richard BELL age 36 then his sister age 54 a House Serv.
Note that there appear to be lines across the entries on this page; but not the subsequent pages. It is not a photocopy of the earlier page but a listing of the same which has been made by a different person.
295 18 18
19 19
296 20 20
etc
300 28 28 Schedule No.s 42 to 45
29 29 Schedule no. 46 the a single line for schedule no. 22 which may have been missed earler.
"(Part off) End of District of Westlinton Township"
301 30 30 Schedule no.s 47 to 50, Some sort of dispute as to which Parish these 4 houses are in.

What seems to have happened is that the forms went out to the households as usual and were collected up. Then two different people have both written up the details onto the collated results sheets which have then been gathered up one after the other and stamped with the folio numbers. Why the results were written up twice we may never know. Possibly the two people were not aware that the other had done it. Possibly the first write up was done in pencil and it was decidedd that it had to be done properly in ink but they forgot to dispose of the pencil copy.

As for "which is right" - no way to be sure so as with any record get some verification from other sources like baptism records or other censuses.

Bryan
ps I see that it is only the second set which shows the marks which the enumerators made when totting up the numbers of men, women, married etc. So theses people were not counted twice in the numbers in the county.

1851 Census West Linton duplicate forms - which is correct?

paulzh — 2013-04-13 18:15:50Z

I note that the 1851 Census forms for the district of West Linton in Cumberland (district 8a) have 30 sheets. Sheet 2-16 run through the district. Starting on page 17 the census repeats iteslf going over the same entries.

Whilst the house entries and names are the same many of the relationships are different. On page 1 Elizabeth Bell is listed as "Aunt" on page 17 she is listed as "sister" likewise sons are changes to stepsons, servants to sons.

WHy would this be and which would be the correct entry

Re: Phoebe Rudkin (b:1885) m Cowman

ELLinSpain — 2013-04-12 15:18:41Z

Phoebe Walker Rudkin married William Preston in 1911 & is the 1911 census:

Name: Phoebe Preston
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Workington, Cumberland, England
Civil parish: Workington
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street Address: 22 Northcote Street Westfield Workington
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Cockermouth
Registration District Number: 576
Sub-registration district: Workington
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Piece: 31451
+
Name: William Preston
Age in 1911: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Lorton, Cumberland, England
Civil parish: Workington
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street Address: 22 Northcote Street Westfield Workington
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Cab Driver

Re: Phoebe Rudkin (b:1885) m Cowman

robertdpittman — 2013-04-12 13:37:30Z

I do not have Phoebe in the 1911 Census. She was married by then with a child who died at birth.

Here she is in my tree.
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/41016346/person/19948215808

Phoebe's family information is from oral history from my son-in-law.

Bob

Re: Phoebe Rudkin (b:1885) m Cowman

warncoort1 — 2013-04-12 08:05:18Z

Firstly,which tree is Phoebe part of?
Freebmd.org.uk have a marriage for Phoebe Walker Rudkin Mar Qtr 1911 Cockermouth 10b 873 but not to Cowman.Do you have her in 1911 census?

Phoebe Rudkin (b:1885) m Cowman

robertdpittman — 2013-04-11 19:49:59Z

I am stuck on this branch of my tree. I am looking for information about her husband, last name Cowman. They have children starting in 1911. Phoebe grew up in Workington, Cumberland. The children are George, Richard, Agnes, Gilbert and Ethel. A few of them were born in Cockermouth.

Any information that points to Cowman's first name and lineage is greatly appreciated.

Bob

Re: Kewleys of Whitehaven

staker966 — 2013-04-11 13:54:05Z

My G.G.Grandmother was Marion Catherine KEWLEY. Of Whitehaven, Cumberland England. She Married Charles Johnstone from Cambridgeshire, England. around 1867 in Melbourne Victoria Australia. I do have the rest of the tree
please feel free to contact me if this is your Kewley

Re: Kewleys of Whitehaven

staker966 — 2013-04-11 13:49:26Z

Re: Brocklebanks of England & United States

JDeney — 2013-04-07 18:21:31Z

Thanks I just was hoping I wouldn't have to buy the dang book.

Re: Brocklebanks of England & United States

kobieharris1 — 2013-04-07 09:07:04Z

If you dont find anyone who has the book try www.abebooks.co.uk they have several copies for sale.

Re: Brocklebanks of England & United States

warncoort1 — 2013-04-07 00:28:31Z

Are you chasing the family line or just the book?If the former,can you give a rough date of birth of Alfred or Thomas?There are public trees on here for Brocklebank of Cumberland.

Brocklebanks of England & United States

JDeney — 2013-04-06 18:42:15Z

Searching for Brocklebanks !!! I found this entry and I'm trying to find more information about the Brocklebanks.
Re: CRAGGS & MARINERS
JDeney Posted: 6 Apr 2013 6:34PM GMT
Classification: Query
I noticed this because my uncle Bill and his brother Charles were both involved in ship building here in the US during WW2 off the shore of LA California. Uncle Bill never told anyone what he was doing and would be gone up to a month's time. My Aunt hardly ever knew when he would have to leave or when he would come home. So I definitely know his family was connected to the Shipbuilders of England. His father Alfred A Brocklebank came to the states in 1883. I believe Alfred's father name was Thomas Brocklebank (his wife Margaret). They are found on the 1920 Denver, Denver, Colorado Census. And Thomas is also found on the 1910 Census of Mercur, Tooele, Utah next to his son Alfred & his family. I'm trying to find a online book of the "Brocklebanks 1770-1950" by J F Gibson, 1953, but am unable to. If anyone has it, could they see if Thomas & Margaret's family is listed. I'm really curious now.

Brocklebanks of England & United States

JDeney — 2013-04-06 18:41:45Z

Re: CRAGGS & MARINERS

JDeney — 2013-04-06 18:34:42Z

I noticed this because my uncle Bill and his brother Charles were both involved in ship building here in the US during WW2 off the shore of LA California. Uncle Bill never told anyone what he was doing and would be gone up to a month's time. My Aunt hardly ever knew when he would have to leave or when he would come home. So I definitely know his family was connected to the Shipbuilders of England. His father Alfred A Brocklebank came to the states in 1883. I believe Alfred's father name was Thomas Brocklebank (his wife Margaret). They are found on the 1920 Denver, Denver, Colorado Census. And Thomas is also found on the 1910 Census of Mercur, Tooele, Utah next to his son Alfred & his family. I'm trying to find a online book of the "Brocklebanks 1770-1950" by J F Gibson, 1953, but am unable to. If anyone has it, could they see if Thomas & Margaret's family is listed. I'm really curious now.

Re: Goodburn

A_Lawtey — 2013-04-03 13:11:45Z

Hi, I'm trying to trace Canadian relatives linked to Nellie Louise Richards who married George Goodburn Crawford when he was in England in WW1. They married in 1917 and Nellie went over to Canada on the Olympic in July 1918 . Nellie was my great aunt and I'm hoping to find someone who can shed some light on the mysterious adoption of my mother by her brother James - maybe some family folklore?m

BURIAL date & place~ of William Blain -b.12 Oct. 1768-Carlisle, England

MJsfamilytree — 2013-03-30 07:08:57Z

Need a burial date & place of William.
He was married in St.Mary's, Carlisle, Cumberland, England.
He married: Elizabeth Tinning. All his children were born in Carlisle, Cumberland, England.
He died: 9 January 1862 in England. Can't seem to prove he was still living in Carlisle, and was buried there too.
Can any check some records over there, and see where William was buried, and what the name of burial place is. Appreciate any help!

Re: BURIAL date & place~ of William Blain -b.12 Oct. 1768-Carlisle, England

warncoort1 — 2013-03-29 08:21:12Z

His death in Lancashire is both on here and freebmd.org.uk.Have you searched census records?

BURIALS of 3 children of William Blain's -b.1768 in Carlisle, England

MJsfamilytree — 2013-03-29 05:44:54Z

William & Elizabeth Blain -lost three young children & they were possibly buried in the same cemetery as their Dad William. The children's names: Jane -b. 1790; John -b. 1792; another Jane -b. 14 Jun 1794; all born in Carlisle, Cumberland, England.
Can someone check some records? Would appreciate any help!

BURIAL date & place~William Blain -b.12 Oct. 1768-Carlisle, England

MJsfamilytree — 2013-03-29 05:35:29Z

Re: Stamper

TeamOwen — 2013-03-20 20:20:39Z

Need to give a lot more info for this if you want any help! Any possible dates, names, locations?

Re: RE Margaret Sewell of Carlisle

emills111 — 2013-03-18 16:42:40Z

Margaret Sewell, nee Crowther, married Henry Sewell of Jamaica and Arthur was one of their six children (my G Grandmother was his oldest sister)

I have an extensive history of the family so if you are interested in learning more, please just message me.
Elizabeth Mills

Re: John Nicholson 1859-1943

Allan_Angie — 2013-03-16 17:07:37Z

I would be pleased to exchange data on the Nicholson family, even if they are from different families. I have all the census data cd's for Cumberland 1841 to 1901 with full access to 1911.
best regards
Allan

allanhilton602@btinternet.com

Re: John Nicholson 1859-1943

sarah_sharrett — 2013-03-16 04:40:04Z

I would be pleased to communicate via email with you. My great grandfather was Samuel Nicholson who was born in Cumberland England. In the morning when I am more alert I will gather the data and put it into email format.

Sarah
sarah_sharrett@hotmail.com

Re: John Nicholson 1859-1943

Allan_Angie — 2013-03-15 18:56:43Z

John Nicholson is my great-grandfather. If this is the same person you are interested in, he was born 9th June 1859 in Flimby, Cumberland and married Ann Cochrane from Maryport. His parents were Joseph Nicholson 1833-1903 (born in Branthwaite, Dean, Cumberland)and Sarah Scott 1835-1912 (born in Flimby, Cumberland). If we have mutual interests perhaps we can communicate via emails?

Re: John Nicholson 1859-1943

sarah_sharrett — 2013-03-14 04:04:46Z

I am interested in your John Nicholson. Do you know whom his parents were?

John Nicholson 1859-1943

Allan_Angie — 2013-03-13 20:22:32Z

Trying to find my great grandfather John Nicholson in the 1911 Census. His wife Ann and children are listed as living in Maryport. He was a miner-hewer and I suspect he might have been at work but can find no trace. Any help or advice would be gratefully appreciated.

Re: Jordan in Workington

jackiejordan74 — 2013-03-04 12:36:37Z

Hi Neil,

Although Frederick is also a family name, and you do have a Henry born at the right time, there is no knowledge of an Irish or Scottish connection with our Jordans. As all of my Henrys sons, and he himself, were quarrymen based in Leicestershire, it would seem that we do not have the same family. Strangely enough, they nearly all worked in Scotland at different times, one son at least stayed in the
Oban area, and his descendants are still there.

Best wishes
Jackie

Re: Jordan in Workington

wxz37h3 — 2013-03-02 19:31:49Z

Hi Jackie

Sorry for the delay in replying. I have a copy of the marriage signatures of Frederick Jordan (my GGGG grandfather) and Mary Stockdale in St Michaels Church in Workington. I do have a record of a son of Henry born about 1907. Frederick Jordan was a Royal Navy Seaman and they relocated to Ireland (Belfast) where another son called Joseph (Customs Officer) was born in 1809. The family stayed in Ireland until the potato famine in 1840's and they moved to Campbeltown in Scotland until the 1900's then moved to either Glasgow or Liverpool. I do not have any information about Henry other than the birth/christening. I am not aware of any connection to quarrymen. Neil Jordan.

Strange first names - where are they from?

janelle_sim — 2013-03-01 04:00:29Z

Hello, I'm researching the Stamper family from Cockermouth, Cumberland. Due to their unusual first names I have been able to find out quite a lot about the family but I would like to understand why they might have such strange names.

John Stamper was born in 1809 (son of William Stamper, tinsmith) and became an attorney. He married Jane White (daughter of George White).

They named their children:

Alvise La Fin Stamper
Melanchthon P. D. Stamper (don't know what the P.D. stands for, perhaps Pattinson Dirigeme, as per his brother and sister)
Elizabeth Pattinson Dirigeme Stamper
and
John Richard Pattinson Stamper.

I don't know why they named their first son 'Alvise La Fin' which is a motto for a Scottish clan (Kennedy) and means 'Consider the end'. I haven't worked out a family connection to a Pattinson. Melanchthon is a famous religious man connected to Luther. 'Dirigeme' is similar to a word found in a latin prayer (does it mean anything else? is this actually a name somewhere?).

From articles I have found about them in the newspapers (John turns up a lot being an attorney) they don't appear to be particularly religious. (John lends people money and then takes them to court when they can't repay). Was there a trend at the time to turn away from traditional names?

I think Jane's father (George White) may have been a yeoman but I'm not sure what that is (I have found a few different definitions).

I don't have names or any information about John and Jane's grandparents to see if there is any link there regarding names, etc.

John and Jane moved to Australia in 1850 and on to New Zealand. Fortunately, with names like Melanchthon, they have been easy to trace across the world!

If anyone is able to shed any light on these names or trends regarding names in this time period I would be very interested to hear from you.

Thanks!

Janelle

Re: George Ramsay Davidson Look up

Hastingstownman — 2013-02-17 16:26:32Z

Thanks Weatherhead but I think this is the same report Kobie has already posted here for me. I have searched the Archive but not come up with much - its probably because I don't have the knack of knowing exactly what to search for? I don't have an account there either so maybe the search results are being limited?

The report I particularly want however is the one which would have appeared in the local Whitehaven paper as I hope that might include more details than the Liverpool Post though this may not be the case.

Thanks for your help/interest!