Hello Sledmonds,

I located a Canadian passenger list index which may refer to your Charles Frederick Winter. The index was found at the Ancestry.com website, and shows a Charles F. Winter arriving in Halifax Nova Scotia on board the ship Siberian on May 12, 1908. His age at the time of arrival is listed as 18. The ports of departure for the ship were Glasgow, Scotland and Liverpool, England. Charles’s occupation is listed as railroad labourer, and his ultimate destination is Toronto. The original passenger list is held by the Library and Archives of Canada. Please see below:


Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

Name: Chas F Winter
Gender: Male
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Date of Arrival: 12 May 1907
Vessel: Siberian
Occupation: Railroad Labourer
Place of Ultimate Destination: Toronto

Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia and St Johns, Newfoundland and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland and Liverpool, England
Roll: T-502

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2008.

Original data: Library and Archives Canada. Passenger Lists, 1865-1935. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada:
Library and Archives Canada, n.d. RG 76-C. Department of Employment and Immigration fonds.

Microfilm reels: T-479 to T-520, T-4689 to T-4874, T-14700 to T-14939, C-4511 to C-4542.
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I also located yet a another passenger list , which shows a Charles Fredk Winter arriving in New York City on board the Oceanic, on February 22, 1911. He left out of Southampton, England on February 15, 1911. His age is given as 22 years old. A note accompanying the record for Charles states that his nearest relative is his mother, Mrs. Winter, of 55 Edmonton Road, Edmonton. I thought at first this may refer to Edmonton, Ontario, but it may actually refer to Edmonton, London. Charles’s final destination is listed as Toronto, Ontario

The record was found at Ancestry.com’s New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957. The transcription follows:


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Charles Fredk Winter
Arrival Date: 22 Feb 1911
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Age: 22
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Southampton, February 15th 1911
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Ship Name: Oceanic

Port of Arrival: New York, New York
NATIVITY: England
Line: 25

Name and complete address of nearest relative or friend in country where alien resides:
Mother Mrs Winter, 55 Edmonton Rd. Edmonton

Final Destination: State. City or Town: Ontario Toronto

Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_1631
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: london
Page Number: 57

Source Citation: Year: 1911; Microfilm serial: T715; Microfilm roll: T715_1631; Line: 25; .

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2006. Original data:

Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at New York, New York, 1820-1897; (National
Archives Microfilm Publication M237, 675 rolls); Records of the U.S. Customs Service,
Record Group 36; National Archives, Washington, D.C.
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I also located a Canadian Passenger List record for a Charles Fredk Winter at Ancestry.com, noting that he arrived in Ottawa, Canada on February 23, 1911, on board the ship United States. This date would be the day after his arrival in New York. His age is listed as 22. His port of departure in this record is listed as Copenhagen, Denmark.

The record is confusing, as it asks Charles if he had ever been to Canada before. He answers “No,” but in the column which asks how long he had been in Canada before, he answers that he was in Toronto 3 ½ years. He also states that he intends to reside in Canada permanently.

The source information notes this record comes from the Library and Archives Canada. Passenger Lists, 1865-1935. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. The transcription follows:


Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

Name: Chas Fredk Winter
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Date of Arrival: 23 Feb 1911
Vessel: United States

Married, Single, or Widowed: Single
Have You ever been to Canada before?: No
If So, When. Where. How Long: 3 ½ years. Toronto, 3 ½ years.
Do you intend to permanently remain in Canada: Yes
Country of Birth: England
Race of People: English
Destination: Toronto, Ontario
Occupation: Labourer
Intended Occupation in Canada: Labourer

Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Port of Departure: Copenhagen, Denmark
Roll: T-4701

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2008.

Original data: Library and Archives Canada. Passenger Lists, 1865-1935. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada:
Library and Archives Canada, n.d. RG 76-C. Department of Employment and Immigration fonds.
Microfilm reels: T-479 to T-520, T-4689 to T-4874, T-14700 to T-14939, C-4511 to C-4542.
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I then found a United Kingdom Incoming Passenger List entry for a Charles F. Winter, which may refer to your Charles. This record shows that Charles arrived in Liverpool on board the Victorian on June 28, 1912. His port of Departure was Montreal, Quebec, Canada:


UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Chas F Winter
Port of Departure: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Arrival Date: 28 Jun 1912
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Quebec
Ship Name: Victorian
Shipping Line: Allan Line
Official Number: 121216

Source Citation: Class: BT26; Piece: 519; Item: 25

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2008. Original data: Board of Trade: Commercial and Statistical
Department and successors: Inwards Passenger Lists. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives
of the UK (TNA). Series BT26, 1,472 pieces.
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There is also a record of a Charles Frederick Winter crossing the border from Canada to Detroit, Michigan, on November 24, 1917. No family members are with him, according to this record:


Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956

Name: Charles Frederick Winter
Arrival Date: 24 Nov 1917
Age: 29
Birth Date: abt 1888
Birth Country: England
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English

Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan, USA

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2008. Original data:
Manifests of Passengers Arriving at St. Albans, VT, District through Canadian Pacific and Atlantic Ports,
1895-1954; (National Archives Micropublication M1464, 639 rolls); Records of the Immigration and Naturalization
Service, RG 85; National Archives, Washington, D.C.
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Concerning Olive Hudson, I found a Canadian ship’s passenger list which may pertain to her. The passenger list shows an Olive Hudson arriving in Montreal, Canada on board the ship Corsican on September 29, 1912. The port of Departure for the ship was Liverpool, England. The index below comes from Ancestry.com:


Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

Name: Olive Hudson
Gender: Female
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Date of Arrival: 29 Sep 1912
Vessel: Corsican

Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4792


Source Information:

Ancestry.com. Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2008.
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I notice from previous submissions of yours to the Ancestry.com message boards that you already have the 1916 marriage record for Charles Frederick Winter and Olive May Hudson, daughter of Robert Edmund Hudson and Harriet Raggett. This record can be found at Ancestry.com in the Toronto collection. The marriage record shows that Olive May Hudson was 20 years old in 1916 and born in London, England. At 20 years of age in 1916, Olive would have been born circa 1895-1896. I looked for her baptism record in London at the Ancestry.com website for the years 1895-1896, but didn’t find it, nor did I locate a GRO birth index for an Olive Hudson or Olive May Hudson registered anywhere in London, Middlesex, Kent, or Surrey between the years 1894 and 1898.

I’ll have more information about Olive Hudson Winter a little later.

Next I found what may be the naturalization record index for your Charles Frederick Winter. The index comes from the Ancestry.com subscription website. The original record is held by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). Please see below:


U.S. Naturalization Records Indexes, 1794-1995

Name: Charles Frederick Winter
Birth Date: 25 Aug 1888
State: Michigan
Locality, Court: Detroit, District Court
Title: Index Cards to Naturalization Petitions for the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan,
Southern Division, Detroit, 1907-1995
Description: W-520 Wainz, Georg-W-562 Wanrik, Andrsfej
Series: M1917

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. U.S. Naturalization Records Indexes, 1794-1995 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2007. Original data: National Archives and Records Administration
(NARA) Microfilm Publications; Records of District Courts of the United States, Record Group 21;
National Archives, Washington, D.C. Scroll down to the bottom of this page for NARA microfilm details.
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I downloaded the following index card from the above index record, which gives the following information:

536
33 Vol 97 P

Winter, Charles Frederick

8-25-88 BD

Same as Charles Frederick Winter
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If you don’t already have Charles’s naturalization record, contact the following:


Michigan, Eastern District, Southern Division, Detroit, U.S. District Court: Index to Petitions, 1907-1995 (NARA Roll Series M1917)
For copies of the original file, write to:
National Archives-Great Lakes Region
7358 Pulaski Road
Chicago, IL 60629
Phone: 773-948-9001
fax: (773)948-9050
Email: chicago.archives@nara.gov
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I also found Charles, his wife, Olive and their two children, Charles and Margaret, in the 1920 census living on Howard Street, Detroit, Michigan. If you don’t have this census, please send your email address and I’ll forward it as an attachment.


THE WINTER SURNAME IN ENGLAND


I uncovered the baptism record for Charles Frederick Winter at the Ancestry.com’s “London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906.” The original London baptisms are held by the London Metropolitan Archives or Guildhall Library Manuscripts, London.

The record shows that Charles was baptized in the Saint Mary Magdalen Church of England on 16 September 1888. His parents are listed as Alfred James and Charlotte Esther Winter, living in an address of 58 Spa Road. Alfred’s occupation is Leather Dresser. The name of the clergyman who baptized Charles appears to be J.C. Vawdrey, though I may not have the last name correct as some of the writing in these old records is difficult to read.

A transcription of the baptism record follows:


Page 254

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of Bermondsey in the
County of Surrey in the Year One Thousand
Eight Hundred and eighty eight

When Baptized. 1888 Sept: 16. No. 2087
Child's Christian Name. Charles Frederick
Parents Name. Christian. Surname. Alfred James & Charlotte Esther Winter
Abode. 58 Spa Road
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Leather Dresser
By whom the Ceremony was performed. J.C. Vawdrey

Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey, Register of baptisms, P71/MMG, Item 027

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Original data: Board of Guardian Records, 1834-1906 and Church
of England Parish Registers, 1813-1906. London Metropolitan Archives and Guildhall Library Manuscripts, London.
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The following is a General Register Office (GRO) birth index for a Charles Frederick Winter. I believe this index pertains to the son of Alfred and Charlotte Winter. GRO indexes for this time period don’t include the name of either parent. GRO birth, marriage, and death indexes for England and Wales beginning in 1837, can be accessed from the FreeBMD website at: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/

The index shows Charles’s birth recorded in the St. Olave Southwark Registration District for the December quarter of 1888. The December quarter includes the months of October, November, and December:

Births December 1888

Winter Charles Frederick
Registration District: St. Olave
Volume 1d, Page 231
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Charles’s birth record can be found in Volume 1d, Page 231 of copies of the GRO records. You can order the birth record from the GRO website at: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

The least expensive method of ordering GRO certificates is to order them online, and by providing the Volume (1d), and Page Number (231), from the birth index you see above. Before ordering certificates online, you will need to type in your email address and provide a password to log in to the site.

The GRO link to log onto the site can be found at: https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

The cost of a certificate by ordering online is £7.00.

The birth certificate should provide you with the names of Charles’s parents, their address, occupations, as well as other personal data. To see the range of information birth, marriage, and death records may contain, go to Barbara Dixon’s website at: http://www.dixons.clara.co.uk/Certificates/indexbd.htm

For information about the St. Olave Southwark Registration District, go to the GenUKI website link at:
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/st%20olave%20so...

The following are the baptism transcriptions for Charles’s siblings, Charlotte Hester, Alfred James, and Christina Winter. All were baptized in Saint Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey. Each baptism is followed by what I believe is the GRO birth index for that child:


Page 146

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of Bermondsey in the
County of Surrey in the Year One Thousand
Eight Hundred and eighty - four

When Baptized. 1884. 23rd November. No. 1162
Child's Christian Name. Charlotte Hester
Parents Name. Christian. Surname. Alfred James & Charlotte Esther Winter
Abode. 58 Spa Road
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Skin Dresser
By whom the Ceremony was performed. J.W. Lewis, Curate

Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey, Register of baptisms, P71/MMG, Item 027

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Original data: Board of Guardian Records, 1834-1906 and Church
of England Parish Registers, 1813-1906. London Metropolitan Archives and Guildhall Library Manuscripts, London.
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Births December 1884

Winter Charlotte Esther
Registration District: St. Olave
Volume 1d, Page 279
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Page 72

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of Bermondsey in the
County of Surrey in the Year One Thousand
Eight Hundred and eighty - six

When Baptized. 1886. July 4th. No. 572
Child's Christian Name. Alfred James
Parents Name. Christian. Surname. Alfred James & Charlotte Esther Winter
Abode. 58 Spa Road
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Lime Jobber
By whom the Ceremony was performed. R. Wakeford, Curate


Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey, Register of baptisms, P71/MMG, Item 027

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Original data: Board of Guardian Records, 1834-1906 and Church
of England Parish Registers, 1813-1906. London Metropolitan Archives and Guildhall Library Manuscripts, London.
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Births September 1886

Winter Alfred James
Registration District: St. Olave
Volume 1d, Page 234
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Page 155

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of Bermondsey in the
County of Surrey in the Year One Thousand
Eight Hundred and ninety one

When Baptized. 1891. January 18. No. 1237
Child's Christian Name. Christiana
Parents Name. Christian. Surname. Alfred James & Charlotte Winter
Abode. 14 Gedling Street
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Labourer
By whom the Ceremony was performed. H.L. Ogle, Curate


Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey, Register of baptisms, P71/MMG, Item 027

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Original data: Board of Guardian Records, 1834-1906 and Church
of England Parish Registers, 1813-1906. London Metropolitan Archives and Guildhall Library Manuscripts, London.
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Births March 1891

Winter Christina
Registration District: St. Olave
Volume 1d, Page 1d 255
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Below is the church marriage transcription for Alfred James Winter and Charlotte Edmonds. They were married in the Saint Mark Old Street Church of England on December 25 1883. At the time of their marriage each was living in the Saint Mark Old Street parish. Alfred’s age is 22, Charlotte’s is 23. Alfred’s occupation is Skinner. His father is listed as William John Winter. William’s occupation appears to be “Dryer.” Charlotte’s father is listed as William Edmonds, a Hawker.” Alfred and Charlotte were married by Thomas W. Webster. The witnesses to the marriage were William Edmonds and Emma Palmer:


Page 96.

1883. Marriage solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of St. Mark Old Street in the County of Middlesex

No. 191
When Married. Decr 25th 1883
Name and Surname. Alfred James Winter
Age. 22
Condition. Bachelor
Rank or Profession. Skinner
Residence at the Time of Marriage. St. Mark Old St
Father's Name and Surname. William John Winter
Rank or Profession of Father. Dryer

Name and Surname. Charlotte Edmonds
Age. 23
Condition. Spinster
Rank or Profession.
Residence at the Time of Marriage. St. Mark Old St
Father's Name and Surname. William Edmonds
Rank or Profession of Father. Hawker

Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church after Banns by me,
Thomas W. Webster

This Marriage
was
solemnized
between us, {Alfred James Winter, Charlotte Edmonds}

in the
Presence
of us, {William Edmonds, Emma Palmer}


Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Mark, Shoreditch, Register of marriages, P91/MRK, Item 015

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Original data: Church of England Parish Registers, 1754-1921.
London Metropolitan Archives and Guildhall Library Manuscripts, London.
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Below is the GRO marriage index for Charlotte Edmonds and “James” Alfred Winter. The marriage was recorded in the Shoreditch Registration District for the December quarter of 1883 and can be found in Volume 1c, Page 289 of the GRO registers. Another couple’s marriage was also registered in Shoreditch for the December quarter


Marriages Dec 1883

Annereau Florence Kate
Edmonds Charlotte
Willson Thomas George
Winter James Alfred

Registarion District: Shoreditch
Volume 1c, Page 289
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More information about the Shoreditch district can be found at: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/shoreditch.html

Before moving on to the 1891 census for the family of Alfred and Charlotte Winter, I wanted to see if I could learn more information about Alfred and Charlotte in the 1881 census enumerations. I believe I found Alfred in the 1881 census living in the household of his mother, 46 year old widow Julia Winter, whose occupation is “Mangling.” Julia’s birthplace is listed as Newington Surrey. Alfred is shown to be a 20 year old Lime Jobber, born Bernondsey, though in the transcription below from the Latter Day Saints (LDS) website, his place of birth is spelled “Bermondey.” Aside from Alfred there are seven other of Julia’s children in the household, which was located in 5 Parker’s Buildings, Bermondsey:


Household:

Name, Relation, Marital Status, Gender, Age, Birthplace, Occupation, Disability

Julia WINTER Head W Female 46 Newington, Surrey, England Mangling
Alfred WINTER Son U Male 20 Bermondey, Surrey, England Lime Jobber
John WINTER Son U Male 18 Bermondey, Surrey, England Tanner
Walter WINTER Son Male 16 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Errand Boy
Frederick WINTER Son Male 12 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Scholar
Charles WINTER Son Male 10 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Scholar
Thomas WINTER Son Male 7 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Scholar
Edith WINTER Daur Female 5 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Scholar
Edward WINTER Son Male 2 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Scholar

Source Information:
Dwelling 5 Parkers Bldgs
Census Place Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341130
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0573 / 119
Page Number 27
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Next is the 1881 census transcription from the LDS website for Charlotte Edmonds and her family. Charlotte is listed as a 20 year old Collar Ironer. No birthplace is given for her. Her father is William Edmonds, a 54 year old widower born Shoreditch. His occupation is Hawker. In addition to Sarah there are four other children in the household, along three lodgers. The address of the household is 66 Fann Street, London:


Household:

Name, Relation, Marital Status, Gender, Age, Birthplace, Occupation, Disability

William EDMONDS Head W Male 54 Shoreditch Hawker
William EDMONDS Other U Male 26 (City) Hawker
Sarah EDMONDS Other Female 23 (City) Collar Ironer
Charlotte EDMONDS Other U Female 20 Collar Ironer
Frederick EDMONDS Other U Male 17 Bookbinder
Esther EDMONDS Other U Female 14 Book Folder
Ann TOMPSON Lodger W Female 79 Gravel Lane
William SMITH Lodger U Male 20 Bridgewater Sq Polisher
Susannah BARKER Lodger U Female 73 Barrow, Norfolk, England Monthly Nurse Unemployed

Source Information:
Dwelling 66 Fann St
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341080
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0372 / 25
Page Number 12
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Next is the 1891 census for the family of Alfred and Charlotte Winter living in 14 Gedling Street, Southwark. Alfred is 29 years old and working as a corn porter on the docks. His place of birth is Bermondsey. Charlotte is 30 years old and born in London. The children in the household, all born in Bermondsey, are 6 year old Charlotte, 4 year old Alfred, 2 year old Charles, and 3 month old Christina. The 1891 census transcription is from the Ancestry.com subscription website. Unless otherwise indicated, all other census transcriptions in the reply will be from Ancestry.com:


1891 England Census

Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Southwark
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 14 Gedling St.

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 4

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 374; Folio 95; Page 9; GSU roll: 6095484.


Name, Relation to Head of Household, Condition as to Marriage, Sex, Age, Occupation,
Employer/Employed/ Neither Employer nor Employed, Where Born

Alfred J Winter, Head, Married, Male, 29, Corn Porter Dock, Employed, London Bermondsey
Charlotte E Winter, Wife, Married, Female, 30, London City
Charlotte Winter, Daughter, Female, 6, London Bermondsey
Alfred Winter, Son, Male, 4, London Bermondsey
Charles Winter, Son, Male, 2, London Bermondsey
Christina Winter, Daughter, Female, Mo 3, London Bermondsey
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I didn’t locate the family of Alfred and Charlotte Winter in the 1901 or 1911 census enumerations. I may have missed them in those returns, or they may not have been enumerated.


ALFRED JAMES WINTER


I next looked for more information about Charles Frederick Winter’s father, Alfred James Winter. I found what I believe to be Alfred’s baptism record at Ancestry.com, showing his baptism took place in the St. Mary Magdalen Bermondsey Church of England on July 30, 1861.


Page 115.

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of St. Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
in the County of Surrey in the Year 1862

When Born. 1861
When Baptized. 30th July No. 918
Child's Christian Name. Alfred James
Parents Name. Christian. Surname. John William & Julia Brisley Winter
Abode. Aldred Street
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Leather Finisher
By whom the Ceremony was performed. W.D. Long
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Baptized on the same day as Charles, were his brothers William John and Samuel Henry Winter. The transcriptions of these baptism records follow:


Page 115.

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of St. Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
in the County of Surrey in the Year 1862

When Born. 1857
When Baptized. 30th July No. 916
Child's Christian Name. William John
Parents Name. Christian. Surname. John William & Julia Brisley Winter
Abode. Aldred Street
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Leather Finisher
By whom the Ceremony was performed. W.D. Long


Page 115.

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of St. Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
in the County of Surrey in the Year 1862

When Born. 1859
When Baptized. 30th July No. 917
Child's Christian Name. Samuel Henry
Parents Name. Christian. Surname. John William & Julia Brisley Winter
Abode. Aldred Street
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Leather Finisher
By whom the Ceremony was performed. W.D. Long


Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey, Register of baptisms, P71/MMG, Item 022

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Original data: Board of Guardian Records, 1834-1906 and Church
of England Parish Registers, 1813-1906. London Metropolitan Archives and Guildhall Library Manuscripts,
London.
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Below are the GRO birth indexes for William John, Samuel Henry, and Alfred James Winter. Their births were recorded in the Bermondsey Registration District in 1857, 1859, and 1861 respectively:


Births December 1857

Winter William John
Registration District: Bermondsey
Volume 1d, Page 85
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Births December 1859

Winter Samuel Henry
Registration District: Bermondsey
Volume 1d, Page 110
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Births December 1861

Winter Alfred James
Registration District: Bermondsey
Volume 1d, Page 109
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Next I looked for the family of John and Julia Winter and their children in the 1861 census. I found 31 year old John and 27 year old Julia living in 6 Star Place, Bermondsey with their three children. John is shown to be a leather finisher born in St. Olave’s, Louth, Surrey. Julia was born in St. George’s, Louth, Surrey. Their children, all born Bermondsey, are 5 year old Julia Louisa, 3 year old William John, and 1 year old Samuel Henry. John and Julia’s son Alfred James is not in the census as he wasn’t born until later in 1861. The census is below:

1861 England Census

Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalen
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address: 6 Star Place

Registration district: Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 166

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 326; Folio: 8; Page: 30; GSU roll: 542615.


Name, Relation to Head of Household, Condition as to Marriage, Sex, Age, Occupation, Where Born

John Willm Winter, Head, Married, Male, 31, Leather Finisher, Surrey St. Olave's Louth
Julia Brisley Winter, Wife, Married, Female, 27, Leather Finisher's Wife, Surrey St. george Louth
Julia Louisa Winter, Daughter, Female, 5, Scholar, Surrey Bermondsey
Willm John Winter, Son, Male, 3, Surrey Bermondsey
Saml Henry Winter, Son, Male, 1, Surrey Bermondsey
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After locating the Winter family in the 1861 census, I next looked for the baptism of Julia Louisa. I found her baptism record which shows her baptism took place in the Christ Church Bermondsey on October 14, 1855. Her date of birth is listed as September 20th 1855. At the time of her baptism the family were living in 66 Great George Street. The clergyman who baptized Julia was Alfred Frunell:


Page 25

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of Christ Church Bermondsey
in the County of Surrey in the Year 1855

Born. September 20th 1855
When Baptized. 1855. October 14th. No 197.
Child's Christian Name. Julia Louisa
Parents Name. Christian. Surname. John William & Julia Brisley Winter
Abode. 66 Great George Street
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Leather Dresser
By whom the Ceremony was performed. Alfred Frugnell

Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Christ Church, Bermondsey, Register of baptisms, P71/CTC1, Item 002

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Original data: Board of Guardian Records, 1834-1906 and Church
of England Parish Registers, 1813-1906. London Metropolitan Archives and Guildhall Library Manuscripts,
London.
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The following is the GRO birth index for Julia Louisa Winter. Her birth was registered in the Bermondsey district and can be found in Volume 1d, Page 90 of the GRO registers:


Births December 1855

Winter Julia Louisa
Registration District: Bermondsey
Volume 1d, Page 90
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At this point in the research I wanted to see if I could locate the Church marriage record and the GRO marriage index for William John Winter and Julia Brisley… I found the church marriage record showing that John and Julia brisley Parson were married in the St. George Camberwell Church of England on July 16, 1854. At the time of marriage John was of full age and working as a leather finisher. His address at the time of marriage was Albany Road. His father’s name is John William Winter, whose occupation is dentist.

Julia Brisley Parson, at the time she married, was of full age and living in Coburg Road. Her father’s name is John Parson, a plumber. I couldn’t make out the full name of the minister who married William and Julia, but his last name appears to be Collins. The witnesses to the marriage appear to be I.C. Parson and A.V. Parson, but I could have misread the initials of their first and middle names. The marriage transcription follows:


Page 250.

1854. Marriage solemnized in the Parish Church in the District Parish of St. George Camberwell in the County of Surrey

No. 499
When Married. July 16
Name and Surname. John William Winter
Age. Full Age
Condition. Bachelor
Rank or Profession. Leather Finisher
Residence at the Time of Marriage. Albany Road
Father's Name and Surname. John William Winter
Rank or Profession of Father. Dentist

Name and Surname. Julia Brisley Parson
Age. Full Age
Condition. Spinster
Rank or Profession.
Residence at the Time of Marriage. Coburg Road
Father's Name and Surname. John Parson
Rank or Profession of Father. Plumber

Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church after Banns by me,
? Collins

This Marriage
was
solemnized
between us, {John William Winter, Julia Brisely Parson}

in the
Presence
of us, {I.? C. Parson, A.V. Parson}


Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint George, Camberwell, Register of marriages, P73/GEO, Item 027

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Original data: Church of England Parish Registers, 1754-1921.
London Metropolitan Archives and Guildhall Library Manuscripts, London.
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The GRO index shows the marriage of Julia Brisley Parson and John William Winter recorded in the Camberwell Registration District for the September quarter of 1854. The marriage record can be found in Volume 1d, Page 681 of the GRO registers:


Marriages September 1854

Parson Julia Brisley
Winter John William

Registratioin District: Camberwell
Volume 1d, Page 681
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The Camberwell district recorded births, marriages, and deaths for portions of London and Surrey. For more information go to the GenUKI website link at: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/camberwell.html

Next I located William and Julia Winter and eight of their children in the 1871 census living in an address of 1 Turner’s Retreat, Bermondsey. John W. Winter is shown to be a 42 year old farmer born St. Olave’s. Julia “Pristly” Winter is 37 years old and born in Newington. All of the children are shown to have been born in Bermondsey. These include 15 year old Julia Louisa, working as a servant; 13 year old errand boy William John; 11 year old Samuel; 9 year old Alfred James; 7 year old John Parson; 5 year old Walter Thomas; 3 year old Frederick; and 4 month old Charles:


1871 England Census

Civil parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalen
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 1 Turners Retreat

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Mary Magdalen
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 124

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 630; Folio: 102; Page: 27; GSU roll: 818927.


Name, Relation to Head of Household, Condition as to Marriage, Sex, Age, Occupation, Where Born

John W Winter, Head, Married, Male, 42, Farmer, St. Olaves
Julia Pristly Winter, Wife, Married, Female, 37, Farmers Wife, Newington
Julia Louisa Winter, Daughter,Single, Female, 15, Servant, Bermondsey Surrey
William John Winter, Son, Single, Male, 13, Errand Boy, Bermondsey Surrey
Samuel Winter, Son, Single, Male, 11, Scholar, Bermondsey
Alfred James Winter, Son, Single, Male, 9, Scholar, Bermondsey Surrey
John Parson Winter, Son, Single, Male, 7, Scholar, Bermondsey Surrey
Walter Thomas Winter, Son, Single, Male, 5, Scholar, Bermondsey Surrey
Frederick Winter, Son, Single, Male, 3, Scholar, Bermondsey Surrey
Charles Edward Winter, Son, Single, Male, 4 months, Bermondsey Surrey
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Next are the combination birth and baptisms for John Parson, Walter Thomas, Frederick, and Charles Edward Winter. All were baptized in the St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey Church of England, on September 29, 1869. At the time that John, Walter, and Frederick were baptized, the Winter family were living in 1 Turner’s Retreat. Charles Edward, you’ll notice, wasn’t baptized until 1872, though he is in the 1871 census. His birth date is not given in the baptism record. When he was baptized his family was living in an address of 4 Alscot Road. All the children were baptized by R.S. Keitch:


Page 20

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey in the
County of Surrey in the Year One Thousand
eight hundred and sixty nine

When Born. 1864 6 June
When Baptized. 1869 29 Sept. No. 157
Child's Christian Name. John Parson
Parents Name. Christian. Surname. John William & Julia Brisley Winter
Abode. 1 Turners Retreat
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Leather Dresser
By whom the Ceremony was performed. R.S. Keitch
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Page 20

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey in the
County of Surrey in the Year One Thousand
eight hundred and sixty nine

When Born. 1866 6 Jany
When Baptized. 1869 29 Sept No. 158
Child's Christian Name. Walter Thomas
Parents Name. Christian. Surname. John William & Julia Brisley Winter
Abode. 1 Turners Retreat
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Leather Dresser
By whom the Ceremony was performed. R.S. Keitch
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Page 20

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey in the
County of Surrey in the Year One Thousand
eight hundred and sixty nine

When Born. 1868 7 May.
When Baptized. 1869 29 Sept No. 159
Child's Christian Name. Frederick
Parents Name. Christian. Surname. John William & Julia Brisley Winter
Abode. 1 Turners Retreat
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Leather Dresser
By whom the Ceremony was performed. R.S. Keitch
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Page 121

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey in the
County of Surrey in the Year One Thousand
eight hundred and seventy two

When Baptized. 1872. July 17 No. 962
Child's Christian Name. Charles Edward
Parents Name. Christian. Surname. John William & Julia Brisley Winter
Abode. 4 Alscot Road
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Leather Finisher
By whom the Ceremony was performed. R.S Keitch

Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Mary Magdalene, Southwark, Register of baptisms, P92/MMG, Item 002

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Original data: Board of Guardian Records, 1834-1906 and Church
of England Parish Registers, 1813-1906. London Metropolitan Archives and Guildhall Library Manuscripts,
London.
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The following are what I believe to be the GRO birth indexes for the four Winter children in the baptism transcriptions noted above:


Births June 1864

Winter John Parson
Registration District: Bermondsey
Volume 1d, Page 75
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Births March 1866

Winter Walter T
Registration District: Bermondsey
Volume 1d, Page 95
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Births June 1868

Winter Frederick
Registration District: Bermondsey
Volume 1d, Page 111
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Births December 1870

Winter Charles Edward
Registration District: St. Olave
Volume 1d, Page 218
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JOHN WILLIAM WINTER


Next I wanted to see if more information could be found concerning John William Winter. I located a combination baptism/birth record for a John William Winter which may pertain to your ancestor, though I can’t be sure of that. This record shows a John William Winter, son of John and Ann Winter, baptized in Saint Saviour’s Church of England, Southwark, on October 19, 1828. His date of birth was August 4, 1828. At the time of his baptism his family were living in an address of St. Alban’s. His father’s occupation is listed as hairdresser. In the 1854 marriage record for John William Winter and Julia Brisley Parson, John’s father’s occupation was dentist. In 19th century England, hairdressers, or barbers, as we call them now, also acted as dentists.

The clergyman who baptized John William was D. Harrison. Again, I‘m not positive the record below is for your John William Winter:


Page 126

BAPTISMS solemnized on the Parish of SAINT SAVIOR'S, SOUTHWARK, in the cOUNTY of
Surrey, in the Year 1828

When Baptized. 1828. October 19. No. 1004
Child's Christian Name. John William son of/Born 4 Aug 1828
Parents Names. Christian. Surname. John & Ann Winter
Abode. St. Albans
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Hair dresser
By whom the Ceremony was performed. D. Harrison


Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Saviour, Southwark, Register of baptisms, P92/SAV, Item 3014

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Original data: Board of Guardian Records, 1834-1906 and Church
of England Parish Registers, 1813-1906. London Metropolitan Archives and Guildhall Library Manuscripts,
London.
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Next is the birth and baptism record transcription for Julia Brisely Parson. She was baptized in the St. George the Martyr Church of England, Southwark, on May 25, 1834. She was born on January 7, 1834. Her parents were John and Sarah Parson, living in Kent Road at the time of the baptism. John’s occupation is plumber. The curate who baptized Julia was G. Horton:

Page 18.

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of St. George the Martyr Southwark
in the County of Surrey, in the Year 1834

Born. 7th Jany 1834
When Baptized. 1834. May 25th. No 139.
Child's Christian Name. Julia Brisley daug of
Parents Names. Christian. John & Sarah Parson
Abode. Kent Road
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Plumber
By whom the Ceremony was performed. G. Horton, Curate

Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint George The Martyr, Register of baptisms, P92/GEO, Item 154

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Original data: Board of Guardian Records, 1834-1906 and Church
of England Parish Registers, 1813-1906. London Metropolitan Archives and Guildhall Library Manuscripts,
London.
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Next I located Julia “Parsons” in the 1841 census living with her parents and siblings in an address of Alfred Place, St. Mary Newington, London. Julia is shown to be 7 years old and born in the county, that is, Surrey. Her father John is a 35 year old plumber who was not born in Surrey. Neither was her 40 year old mother Sarah. Julia’s siblings, all born in Surrey, are 15 year old Elizabeth, 13 year old Harriet, 11 year old Emma, 9 year old Ann, and 5 year old Selenia. Also in the household is 68 year old Ann Parsons, who was not born in Surrey. Ann may have been John’s mother. The household also includes a 40 year old tailoress named Mary Spencer:


1841 England Census

Borough of Lambeth
Civil parish: St Mary Newington
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address: Alfred Place

Registration district: St Mary Newington
Sub-registration district: St Peters

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1064; Book: 9; Civil Parish: St Mary Newington; County: Surrey;
Enumeration District: 17; Folio: 16; Page: 24; Line: 23; GSU roll: 474657.


Name, Age, Sex, Occupation, Whether Born in Same County

John Parsons, 35, Male, Plumber, No
Sarah Parsons, 40, Female, No
Elizth Parsons, 15, Female, Yes
Harriet Parsons, 13, Female, Yes
Emma Parsons, 11, Female, Yes
Ann Parsons, 9, Female, Yes
Julia Parsons, 7, Female, Yes
Selenia Parsons, 5, Female, Yes
Ann Parsons, 68, Female, No
Mary Spencer, 40, Female, Tailoress, No
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CHARLOTTE ESTHER EDMONDS


Earlier, it was shown that Alfred James Winter and Charlotte Esther Edmonds were married in the St. Mark Old Street Church of England on Christmas Day, 1883. In the marriage record Charlotte’s father is listed as William Edmonds who was employed as a hawker. I looked for more information about Charlotte Esther Edmonds and found that she was baptized in the St. Matthias, Bethnal Green Church of England on August 26, 1860. She was born on August 4. Her parents are William and Esther Edmonds. I could not make out the street they were living in at the time of the baptism, but the house number is 44. The record shows that William’s occupation was “Hawker.” The priest who baptized Charlotte was W.H. Chambers:


Page 103.

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of St. Matthias Bethnal Green
in the County of Middlesex in the Year 1860

When Baptized. 1860. August 26. Born 4 Aug. No 824.
Child's Christian Name. Charlotte Esther
Parents Names. William & Esther Edmonds
Abode. 44 ?
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Hawker
By whom the Ceremony was performed. W.H. Chambers, Curate

Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Matthias, Bethnal Green, Register of baptisms, P72/MTS, Item 008
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Below is the GRO birth index for Charlotte Esther Edmonds. Her birth was recorded in the East London Registration District for the September quarter of 1860. Her birth record can be found in Volume 1c, Page 30 of the GRO registers:


Births September 1860

Edmonds Charlotte Esther
Registration District: East London
Volume 1c, Page 30
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Next I located the church marriage record for Charlotte Esther’s parents, William Edmonds and Esther Bruff. The marriage took place in the St. Giles Cripplegate Church of England on June 29, 1846. At the time of the marriage William is listed as a widower of full age living in an address of Normans Buildings St. Lukes. His father was Thomas Edmonds, deceased. Thomas’s occupation was pork butcher.

Esther Bruff at the time of marriage was also of full age and a spinster. She too was living in Normans Buildings St. Lukes. Her father was John Bruff, a bricklayer. The marriage ceremony was performed by the curate, James Landy Brown. The witnesses to the marriage were William Douglas and Eliza, whose last name appears to be Bander, but I may not have decipher her last name correctly. Eliza signed the marriage register with an X:


1846. Marriage solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of St. Giles Cripplegate in the County of London

No. 57
When Married. 29th June
Name and Surname. William Edmonds
Age. full
Condition. Widower
Rank or Profession. Hawker
Residence at the Time of Marriage. Normans Buildings St. Lukes
Father’s Name and Surname. Thomas Edmonds, dec
Rank or Profession of Father. Pork Butcher

Name and Surname. Esther Bruff
Age. Full
Condition. Spinster
Rank or Profession.
Residence at the Time of Marriage. Normans Buildings St. Lukes
Father’s Name and Surname. John Bruff
Rank or Profession of Father. Bricklayer

Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church by Banns by me,
James Landy Brown, Curate

This Marriage
was
solemnized
between us {William Edmonds, Esther Bruff}

in the
Presence
of us {William Douglas, Eliza Bander?, X her mark}

Source Citation: Guildhall, St Giles Cripplegate, Marriages, 1852 - 1854, P69/GIS/A/01/Ms 6422/8
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The GRO index shows the marriage of Esther Bruff and William Edmonds was recorded in the East London district for the June quarter of 1846. The marriage record can be found in Volume 2, Page 252 of the GRO registers:


Marriage June 1846

Bruff Esther
Edmonds William
Registration District: East London
Volume 2, Page 252
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Next I located a William and “Ester” Edmonds in the 1851 census living in an address of 6 Boundary Street, Bethnal Green. I believe this census refers to your William and Esther Edmonds. The census shows that William is a 26 year old general dealer born in Hertfordshire. Ester is a 28 year old shoe binder, from Bethnal Green, Middlesex. Also in the household is 9 year old orphan, Elvi Smith, born St. Sepulcher, Middlesex:


1851 England Census

Borough of Tower Hamlets
Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: 6 Boundary St.

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Hackney Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 15

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1539; Folio: 140; Page: 3; GSU roll: 174769.


Name, Relation to Head of Household, Condition as to Marriage, Sex, Age, Occupation, Where Born

Wm Edmonds, Head, Married, Male, 26, General Dealer, Hertfordshire
Ester Edmonds, Wife, Married, Female, 28, Shoe Binder, Bethnal Green Middlesex
Elvi Smith, Orphan, Unmarried, Female, 9, St. Sepulcher Middlesex
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The following is the 1861 census for the family of William and Esther Edmonds. William is a 36 year old general dealer born in Northaw, Hertfordshire. His wife is 38 year old Esther, working as a binder. She was born in Spidalfields, Middlesex. The children in the household include 5 year old William, born Shoreditch; 3 year old Sarah Ann, born St. Luke’s; and 8 month old Charlotte, born Cripplegate:


1861 England Census

Civil parish: St Giles Without Cripplegate
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: 44 Bridgewater Gdn

Registration district: East London
Sub-registration district: Cripplegate
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 264

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 214; Folio: 83; Page: 46; GSU roll: 542593.


Name, Relation to Head of Household, Condition as to Marriage, Sex, Age, Occupation, Where Born

William Edmonds, Head, Married, Male, 36, General Dealer, Northaw Herts
Esther Edmonds, Wife, Married, Female, 38, Binder, Spidalfields Middlesex
William Edmonds, Son, Male, 5, Shoreditch Middlesex
Sarah Ann Edmonds, Daughter, Female, 3, St. Luke Middlesex
Charlotte Edmonds, Daughter, Female, 8 Mo, Cripplegate
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Below is the baptism transcription for William Charles Edmonds, son of William and Esther.

Page 210

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of St. Matthias Bethnal Green
in the County of Middlesex in the Year 1855

When Baptized. Aug 26. Born July 28 1855. No 1675.
Child's Christian Name. William Charles
Parents Names. William & Esther Edmonds
Abode. 12 Fashion Street
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Hawker
By whom the Ceremony was performed. A. Adolphus

Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Matthias, Bethnal Green, Register of baptisms, P72/MTS, Item 005
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The GRO baptism index for William Charles Edmonds is below. The index shows William’s birth recorded in the Shoreditch Registration District for the September quarter of 1855. His birth record can be found in Volume 1c, Page 102 of the GRO registers:


Births September 1855

Edmonds William Charles
Registration District: Shoreditch
Volume 1c, Page 102
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Below is the baptism transcription for Sarah Ann Edmonds. She was baptized in St. Matthias Bethnal Green on July 12, 1857. Her date of birth was June 20, 1857. At the time of the baptism her parents were living in 12 Fashion Street. Her father’s occupation appears to read, “Corker.” The clergyman who baptized Sarah Ann was T. Smith.


Page 169.

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of St. Matthias Bethnal Green
in the County of Middlesex in the Year 1857

When Baptized. 1857. July 12th. Born . 20 June. No. 1350
Child's Christian Name. Sarah Ann
Parents Names. William & Esther Edmonds
Abode. 12 Fashion Street
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Corker?
By whom the Ceremony was performed. T. Smith

Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Matthias, Bethnal Green, Register of baptisms, P72/MTS, Item 006
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The GRO birth index for Sarah Ann Edmonds follows. Her birth was recorded in the St. Luke Registration District for the September quarter of 1857. Her birth record can be found in Volume 1b, Page 561 of the GRO registers:


Births September 1857

Edmonds Sarah Ann
Registration District: St Luke
Volume 1b, Page 561
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Next, the 1871 census shows the Edmonds family living in an address of 21 Brackley Street, St. Giles Without Cripplegate, London. William Edmonds is shown to be a 45 year old hawker born in the City of London. All of his family members are likewise shown to be born in the City of London. His wife Esther is a 48 year old washerwoman. The children in the household include, 15 year old apprentice William; 13 year old Sarah; 11 year old Charlotte; 7 year old Frederick; and 4 year old Esther:


1871 England Census

Civil parish: St Giles Without Cripplegate
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 21 Brackley St.

Registration district: London City
Sub-registration district: Cripplegate
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 138

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 418; Folio: 16; Page: 25; GSU roll: 824630.


Name, Relation to Head of Household, Condition as to Marriage, Sex, Age, Occupation, Where Born

William Edmonds, Head, Married, Male, 45, Hawker, City of London
Esther Edmonds, Wife, Married, Female, 48, Washerwoman, City of London
William Edmonds, Son, Male, 15, Apprentice, City of London
Sarah Edmonds, Daughter, Female, 13, City of London
Charlotte Edmonds, Daughter, Female, 11, City of London
Frederick Edmonds, Son, Male, 7, City of London
Esther Edmonds, Daughter, Female, 4, City of London
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The baptism transcription for Frederick Edmonds is next. Frederick was baptized in St. Matthias Bethnal Green on June 19, 1864. He was born on May 31, 1864. His parents William and Esther were living in 4 Hope Street at the time of the baptism. His father’s occupation is hawker. The clergyman who baptized Frederick was John Calbourne:


Page 256

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of St. Matthias Bethnal Green
in the County of Middlesex in the Year 1864

When Baptized. 1864. June 19. Born . May 31. No. 2043
Child's Christian Name. Frederick
Parents Names. William & Esther Edmonds
Abode. 4 Hope Street
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Hawker
By whom the Ceremony was performed. John Calbourne

Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Matthias, Bethnal Green, Register of baptisms, P72/MTS, Item 010
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I can’t be sure if the following GRO birth index refers to William and Esther’s son Frederick Edmonds. The birth was recorded in the East London Registration District for the September quarter of 1864, and can be found in Volume 1c, Page 17 of the GRO registers:


Births Sep 1864

Edmonds Frederick
Registration District: East London
Volume 1c, Page 17
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Next is the baptism transcription for Esther Edmonds. Her baptism took place in the St. Matthias Bethnal Green Church of England on July 8, 1866. She was born on June 19, 1866. At the time of her baptism her parents were living in 3 Phoenix Street. Her father’s occupation is hawker. The clergyman who baptized Esther is not named in the record:


Page 343

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of St. Matthias Bethnal Green
in the County of Middlesex in the Year 1866

When Baptized. July 8. Born . June 19. No. 2739
Child's Christian Name. Esther
Parents Names. William & Esther Edmonds
Abode. 3 Phoenix Street
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Hawker
By whom the Ceremony was performed. Not named

Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Matthias, Bethnal Green, Register of baptisms, P72/MTS, Item 011
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The following is the GRO birth index for Esther Edmonds. Her birth was recorded in the East London Registration District for the September quarter of 1866. Her birth record can be found in Volume 1c, Page 17 of the GRO registers:


Births September 1866

Edmonds Esther
Registration District: East London
Volume 1c, Page 17
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ESTHER BRUFF (BROUGH)


The following transcription may pertain to the baptism of Esther Bruff, only in the original record, Esther’s surname is spelled “Brough.” She was baptized in St. Matthew’s Church Bethnal Green, on February 17, 1822. Her date of birth is listed as November 21, 1820. Her parents are John and Sarah Brough living in George Street. John’s occupation is Bricklayer. If you go back to the marriage transcription for William Edmonds and Esther Bruff, you’ll see that Esther’s father John worked as a bricklayer.

I couldn’t decipher the name of the clergyman who baptized Esther Brough. The transcription follows:



Page 221

BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of St. Matthew Bethnal Green
in the County of Middlesex in the Year 1822

When Baptized. Feby 17. No.
Child's Christian Name. Esther, born 21 Nov. 1820
Parents Names. John & Sarah Brough
Abode. Little George Street
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Bricklayer
By whom the Ceremony was performed. ?

Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Matthew, Bethnal Green, Register of baptisms, P72/MTW, Item 017
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THE HUDSON FAMILY


Next I located the GRO marriage index for Olive’s parents, Robert Edmund Hudson and Harriet Raggett. The marriage was recorded in the Midhurst Registration District for the September quarter of 1893, and can be found in Volume 2b, Page 788 of the GRO registers. One other couple is also recorded in the index, which follows:


Marriages Sep 1893

Grace William George
Hudson Robert Edmund
Raggett Harriett
Thomas Harriett Kate

Registration District: Midhurst
Volume 2b, Page 788
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The Midhurst district recorded births, marriages, and deaths for portions of Hampshire and Sussex. See the following link for more information about this district: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/midhurst.html

I then looked for Olive Hudson in the 1911 and 1901 census enumerations, and found only one Olive Hudson in each enumeration whose parents were Robert and Harriet. The 1911 census shows that Olive is 15 years old and living with her parents in an address of 4 Whitefriars Road, Hastings, Sussex. Her place of birth is given as St. Leonards, Sussex, which may refer to a parish in Hastings. Olive’s father Robert is listed as a 39 year old harness maker born in Croydon, Surrey. He is shown to have been married 18 years to 39 year old Harriet, who was born in Fernhurst, Sussex. Also in the household is 12 year old Cecil Hudson, born Hastings. The 1911 census comes from the 1911census.co.uk website at: http://www.1911census.co.uk/default.aspx


1911 England Census


Address 4 WHITEFRIARS ROAD County Sussex
District Hastings Subdistrict All Saints
Enumeration District 14 Parish Hastings

Source: (RG14PN4744 RG78PN203 RD69 SD2 ED14 SN175)


Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:

HUDSON, ROBERT HEAD MARRIED 18 M 39 HARNESS MAKER SURREY CROYDON
HUDSON, HARRIETT WIFE MARRIED F 39 SUSSEX FERNHURST
HUDSON, OLIVE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 15 SUSSEX ST LEONARDS
HUDSON, CECIL SON M 12 SUSSEX HASTINGS
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Going back ten years in time the 1901 census shows that 28 year old Robert Hudson, his 29 year old wife Harriet, and their two children, 5 year old Olive and 2 year old Cecil were living in Hastings, Sussex, England.

I couldn’t make out the full street address where the Hudson family were living, but it reads in part, No. 13 Bray Terrace. Nor could I decipher Robert’s occupation or town or parish of birth in Surrey, as the enumerator’s handwriting is difficult to read. Harriet Hudson appears to have been born in Fernhurst, Sussex. Olive and Cecil were born in Hastings. The 1901 census follows:


1901 England Census

Civil parish: Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address: No. 13 Bray ? Terrace

Registration district: Hastings
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Household schedule number: 119

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 868; Folio: 62; Page: 21.

Name, Relation to Head of Household, Condition as to Marriage, Sex, Age, Occupation, Employer/Worker/Own Account, If Working at Home, Where Born

Robert Hudson, Head, Married, Male, 28, ?, Worker, Surrey ?
Harriet Hudson, Wife, Married, Female, 29, Sussex Fernhurst
Olive Hudson, Daughter, Single, Female, 5, Sussex Hasting
Cecil Hudson, Son, Single, Male, 2, Sussex Hasting
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I can’t be one-hundred percent sure if the above 1911 and 1901 census enumerations pertain to your Olive Hudson and her family, but these enumerations prompted me to search the GRO indexes to see if an Olive Hudson’s birth was recorded in in Hastings for the years 1895-1896. I located one index showing the birth of Olive Harriet Hudson recorded in the Hastings Registration District for the September quarter of 1895. Her birth record can be found in Volume 2b, Page 28 of the GRO registers. If you order this record from the GRO see if her parents are Robert Edmund Hudson and Harriet Raggett:


Births September 1895

Hudson Olive Harriett
Registration District: Hastings
Volume 2b, Page 28
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The following is what I believe to be the GRO birth index for Olive’s father, Robert Edmund Hudson. His birth was recorded in the Croydon Registration District for the September quarter of 1872 and can be found in Volume 2a, Page 193 of the GRO registers:


Births September 1872

Hudson Robert Edmund
Registration District: Croydon
Volume 2a, Page 193
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The Croydon Registration District recorded births, marriages, and deaths for portions of Greater London, Kent and Surrey. See the following for more information: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/croydon.html

I found an 18 year old Robert E. Hudson in the 1891 census living with his parents and two brothers in an address of 55 The Drive, Thornton Heath, Croydon, Sussex. Robert is shown to be a harness maker born in Deptford, Kent, rather than Croydon, Surrey. But, his occupation of harness maker in the 1891 census, is the same occupation he holds as found in the 1911 census noted earlier. Robert’s father in the 1891 census is 61 year old employed carpenter, Joseph Hudson, from Marsh, Cambridge. Joseph’s wife is 59 year old Eliza E. Hudson, also born Marsh. Robert’s brothers are 20 year old painter Charles Hudson, born Deptford, and 30 year old Joseph C. Hudson, born Tottenham, Middlesex:


1891 England Census

Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Thornton Heath
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address: 55 The Drive

Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 61

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 597; Folio 13; Page 19; GSU roll: 6095707.

Name, Relation to Head of Household, Condition as to Marriage, Sex, Age, Occupation,
Employer/Employed/ Neither Employer nor Employed, Where Born

Joseph Hudson, Head, Married, Male, 61, Carpenter, Employed, Cambridge March
Eliza E Hudson, Wife, Married, Female, 59, Cambridge March
Charles Hudson, Son, Single, Male, 20, Painter, Employed, Kent Deptford
Robert E Hudson, Son, Single, Male, 18, Harness Maker, Employed, Kent Deptford
Joseph C Hudson, Son, single, Male, 30, Painter, Middx Tottenham
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Searching the 1881 census, I found the person who may be your Robert Edmund Hudson, but in this enumeration he is listed as 11 year old Edmund R. Hudson, son of Joseph and Eliza E. Hudson. The family is living in an address of 5 Alexandra Terrace, Croydon, Surrey. Edmund R. Hudson’s birthplace is given as Deptford, Kent, as it is in the 1891 census, rather than Croydon, Surrey. His father John is a 51 year old carpenter born in March, Cambridge. Eliza E. Hudson is 49 years old and also born in March, Cambridge. The other children in the household are 22 year old painter, William H. Hudson, born St. Pancras, Middlesex; 20 year old Charles, also a painter, born Tottenham; and 3 year old Joseph C. Hudson, born Croydon, Surrey. In the 1891 census Joseph C, Hudson is listed as 30 years old, Charles is 20, the same age as in the 1881 census, and Robert E., 18 years old, which shows that you can’t always trust the ages (or even names and places of birth) of residents in a household from one census year to another. The 1881 census transcription below comes from the Latter Day Saints (LDS) census website search engine at:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?P...


1881 England Census

Household:

Name, Relation, Marital Status, Gender, Age, Birthplace, Occupation, Disability

Joseph HUDSON Head M Male 51 March, Cambridge, England Carpenter
Eliza E. HUDSON Wife M Female 49 March, Cambridge, England
William H. HUDSON Son U Male 22 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Painter
Charles HUDSON Son U Male 20 Tottenham, Middlesex, England Painter
Edmund R. HUDSON Son U Male 11 Deptford, Kent, England
Elizabeth BELLING Visitor U Female 22 Church Brompton, Northampton, England Servant
John T. LUMLEY Visitor U Male 15 Stepney, Middlesex, England Butchers Assistant
Joseph C. HUDSON Son U Male 3 Croydon, Surrey, England

Source Information:
Dwelling 5 Alexandra Terrace
Census Place Croydon, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341193
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0820 / 43
Page Number 12
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In the 1871 census the elder Joseph Hudson is shown to be a 41 year old carpenter born March, Cambridgeshire. His wife is named Emma, 39 years old, also born in March. This indicates that Eliza Hudson’s middle name is Emma. The oldest child in the household is 16 year old domestic servant, Alice, born Islington, Middlesex. Next in age is 13 year old William, born St. Pancras, Middlesex. The youngest child in the household is 1 year old Charles Hudson, born Deptford, Kent. The family is living in 63 Moore Street, Deptford:


1871 England Census

Civil parish: St Paul Deptford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Deptford
Town: Deptford

Street Address: 63 Moore St

County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 168

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 743; Folio: 68; Page: 31; GSU roll: 824719.


Name, Relation to Head of Household, Condition as to Marriage, Sex, Age, Occupation, Where Born

Joseph Hudson, Head, Married, Male, 41, Carpenter, Cambridgeshire March
Emma Hudson, Wife, Married, Female, 39, Cambridgeshire March
Alice Hudson, Daughter, Female, 16, Domestic Servant, Middlesex Islington
William Hudson, Son, Male, 13, Middlesex St. Pancras
Joseph Hudson, Son, Male, 10, Middlesex Tottenham
Charles Hudson, Son, Male, 1, Kent Deptford
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Next I located 31 year old Joseph and 29 year old Eliza E. Hudson and three of their children in the 1861 census living in an address of 8 Church Road, Tottenham, Middlesex. Joseph is shown to be a journeyman carpenter born March, Cambridgeshire. Eliza is working as a dressmaker. She was also born in the town of March. The children in the household include 6 year old Alice B. Hudson, born Islington; 3 year old William H. Hudson, born St. Pancras, Middlesex; and 10 month old Joseph C. Hudson, born Tottenham:


1861 England Census

Civil parish: Tottenham
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: 8 Church Road

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 54

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 794; Folio: 72; Page: 10; GSU roll: 542702.


Name, Relation to Head of Household, Condition as to Marriage, Sex, Age, Occupation, Where Born

Joseph Hudson, Head, Married, Male, 31, Journeyman Carpenter, Cambridgeshire March
Eliza E Hudson, Wife, Married, Female, 29, Dressmaker, Cambridgeshire March
Alice B Hudson, Daughter, Female, 6, Middlesex Islington
William H Hudson, Son, Male, 3, Middlesex St. Pancras
Joseph C Hudson, Son, Male, 10 Mo, Middlesex Tottenham
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I didn’t find a GRO birth index for an Alice B. Hudson, but did locate birth indexes for William Henry and Joseph Charles Hudson. William Henry’s birth was recorded in the Pancras Registration District for the September quarter of 1860 and can be found in Volume 1b, Page 151 of the GRO registers. Joseph’s birth was recorded in the Edmonton Registration District for the September quarter of 1860, and can be found in Volume 3a, Page 115 of the GRO registers:


Births March 1858


Hudson William Henry
Registration District: Pancras
Volume 1b, Page 151
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Births September 1860

Hudson Joseph Charles
Registration District: Edmonton
Volume 3a, 115
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Next, I found a marriage record for Joseph Hudson and Eliza Emma Cousins. These may be Robert Edmund Hudson’s parents, and Olive‘s paternal grandparents. The marriage took place in Saint Mary’s Church of England, Islington, on December 18, 1852. At the time of the marriage Joseph was a bachelor of full age, working as a joiner, and living in an address of 19 Trimaton Place, Kings Cross. His father is listed as Joseph Hudson, also a joiner. Eliza is of full age and at the time of marriage was living in 5 Mexican Terrace. Her father’s name is Thomas Cousins, also working as a joiner. The clergyman who married Joseph and Eliza was William Dix. The witnesses to the marriage were J Andley and L. Brown

Page 196.

1852. Marriage solemnized in the Parish Church in the Parish of Islington in the County of Middlesex

No. 392
When Married. 18 Decr. 1852
Name and Surname. Joseph Hudson
Age. of full Age
Condition. Bachelor
Rank or Profession. Joiner
Residence at the Time of Marriage. 19 Trimaton Place, Kings Cross
Father's Name and Surname. Joseph Hudson
Rank or Profession of Father. Joiner

Name and Surname. Eliza Emma Cousins
Age. Full Age
Condition. Spinster
Rank or Profession. -
Residence at the Time of Marriage. 5 Mexican Terrace
Father's Name and Surname. Thomas Cousins
Rank or Profession of Father. Joiner

Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church after Banns by me,
William Dix

This Marriage
was
solemnized
between us, {Joseph Hudson, Eliza Emma Cousins}

in the
Presence
of us, {J Andley, L. Brown}

Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Mary, Islington, Register of marriages, P83/MRY1, Item 1218
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Below is the GRO marriage index for Eliza Emma Cousins and Joseph Hudson. The marriage was recorded in the Islington Registration District for the December quarter of 1852. The marriage record can be found in Volume 1b, Page 296 of the GRO registers. Another couple is also named in the index:


Marriages December 1852

Boorman Anne Maria
Cousins Eliza Emma
Hudson Joseph
Iredale William

Registration District: Islington
Volume 1b, Page 296
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I then located Joseph Hudson in the 1851 census living in the household of his cousin, William Pope and William‘s wife Mary Jane, in an address of St. Stephen’s Terrace, Finsbury, Islington, London. Joseph is shown to be a 21 year old carpenter born in March, Cambridgeshire. William Pope is a 29 year old carpenter, also from March, as is 21 year old Mary Jane:


1851 England Census

City or Borough: Finsbury
Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: St. Stephens Terrace

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Household schedule number: 163

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1500; Folio: 197; Page: 35; GSU roll: 87833-87834.


Name, Relation to Head of Household, Condition as to Marriage, Sex, Age, Occupation, Where Born

William Pope, Head, Married, Male, 29, Carpenter, Cambridgeshire March
Mary Jane Pope, Wife, Married, Female, 21, Cambridgeshire March
Joseph Hudson, Cousin, Unmarried, Male, 21, Carpenter, Cambridgeshire March
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By searching the London marriages and banns at Ancestry.com I then discovered that William Pope and Mary Jane Cousins were married in the Saint Pancras Church of England on September 1, 1849. William Pope, of full age was living in an address of Church Row. His occupation is Joiner. His father’s name was Joseph Pope, who was “Dead.”

Mary Jane Cousins, also of full age, was living in Huntley Street at the time of marriage. Her father, also listed as “Dead,” was William Cousins. The clergyman who married the couple was F. Stainforth, whose middle initial I couldn’t decipher in a copy of the original marriage record. The witnesses to the marriage were William Cousins and Emma Cousins. Emma signed the marriage register with an “X.“ Emma may be the Eliza Emma Cousins that Joseph Hudson would marry in 1852:


Page 19.

1849. Marriage solemnized at St. Pancras Church in the Parish of St. Pancras in the County of Middlesex

No. 38
When Married. Septr 1
Name and Surname. William Pope
Age. full age
Condition. Bachelor
Rank or Profession. Joiner
Residence at the Time of Marriage. Church Row
Father's Name and Surname. Joseph Pope
Rank or Profession of Father. Dead

Name and Surname. Mary Jane Cousins
Age. full age
Condition. Spinster
Rank or Profession. -
Residence at the Time of Marriage. Huntly St.
Father's Name and Surname. William Cousins
Rank or Profession of Father. Dead

Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church after Banns by me,
F. ? Stainforth

This Marriage
was
solemnized
between us, {William Pope, Mary Jane Cousins}

in the
Presence
of us, {William Cousins, Emma Cousins X Mark}


Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Pancras Parish Church, Register of marriages, P90/PAN1, Item 096
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Below is the GRO marriage index for Mary Jane Cousins and William Pope. The marriage was recorded in the St. Pancras Registration District for the September quarter of 1849, and can be found in Volume 1, Page 357 of the GRO registers. Three other couples who married are also listed in the index:


Marriages September 1849

Cousins Mary Jane
Hasloch George
Hawkins Augusta Elizabeth Speare
Johnson Thomas John
King Martha Elizabeth
Pope William
Wilkins Mary Ann
Williams Philip James

Registration District: St Pancras
Volume 1, Page 357
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I looked for, but didn’t find Eliza Emma Cousins in the 1851 census. I next turned to the 1841 census to see if I could locate Joseph Hudson. I found one possibility, though I don’t know if this record refers to your Joseph Hudson, as he is shown to be in the Wisbech Union Workhouse, Wisbech, Cambridgeshire. Towns or parishes of birth are not given in the 1841 census. The census only records whether a person was born in the county where the census was enumerated, or whether a person was born in Scotland or Ireland, or foreign parts.

In the 1841 census Joseph Hudson is shown to be 10 years old and born in Cambridgeshire:


1841 England Census


Civil parish: Wisbeach St Peter
Hundred: Wisbeach (Isle of Ely)
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Registration district: Wisbech
Sub-registration district: St Peter

Name of Institution: Wisbech Union Workhouse

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 79; Book: 17; Civil Parish: Wisbeach St Peter;
County: Cambridgeshire; Enumeration District: Wisbeach Union Workhouse; Folio: 3;
Page: 2; Line: 20; GSU roll: 241227.


Name, Age, Sex, Occupation, Yes

Joseph Hudson, 10, Male, None, Yes
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For more information about the Wisbech Union Workhouse, including photos and a map, go to:
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Wisbech/Wisbech.shtm...

I next looked for Eliza Emma Cousins in the 1841 census. I found the person who may be your Eliza, living in the household of 31 year old Richard Booth in an address of Frances Street, St. Pancras, London. Richard is shown to be a 31 year old carpenter born out of the county, that is, Middlesex. The other occupants of the household, all born out of the county are 37 year old Eliza Booth; 21 year old Elizabeth Cousins; 10 year old Eliza E. Cousins; and 29 year old Elizabeth McDougal:


1841 England Census

Borough of Marylebone
Civil parish: St Pancras
Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: Frances Street

Occupation: View image

Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Tottenham

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 686; Book: 11; Civil Parish: St Pancras; County: Middlesex;
Enumeration District: 11; Folio: 14; Page: 26; Line: 25; GSU roll: 438802.


Name, Age, Sex, Occupation, Yes

Richard Booth, 31, Male, Carpenter, No
Eliza Booth, 37, Female, No
Elizabeth Williams, 40, Female, No
Elizabeth Cousins, 21, Female, No
Mary J Cousins, 12, Female, No
Eliza E Cousins, 10, Female, No
Charlotte McDougal, 29, Female, Waistcoat Maker, No
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Census returns after 1841 show that Joseph Hudson and Eliza Emma Cousins were born in March, Cambridgeshire, toward the end of the 1820s and the beginning of the 1830s. The Latter Day Saints have filmed the March Church of England Bishops Transcripts on microfilm for the years 1599-1980, which you can order from your nearest Family History Center. Below is information and film numbers for the March Bishops Transcripts on four microfilm reels


Bishop's transcripts for March, 1599-1880

Authors Church of England. Chapelry of March (Cambridgeshire) (Main Author)

Notes: Microfilm copy of original at Cambridge University Library, Cambridge, England.

March is a town and a chapelry in Doddington parish.


FHL BRITISH Film: 2215986 = Baptisms, marriages, burials, 1599-1601, 1603-1637, 1639, 1661-1664, 1667-1668,
1674-1679,1681-1687, 1689-1692, 1699, 1707-1708, 1710, 1712-1713, 1715, 1718, 1720-1730, 1732-1739, 1741-1797.


FHL BRITISH Film 2215987 = Baptisms, marriages, burials, 1798-1828.


FHL BRITISH Film 2215988 = Baptisms, burials, 1828-1848; marriages, 1829-1836.


FHL BRITISH Film 2215989 = Baptisms, burials, 1849-1869, 1872-1773, 1776, 1880.
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The baptisms of Joseph Hudson and Eliza Emma Cousins would likely be found in LDS microfilm numbers 2215987 and 2215988, provided of course they had been baptized in March, and in the Church of England.



RAGGETT


I located what I believe is the GRO birth index for Olive Hudson’s mother, Harriet Raggett. The index shows Harriet’s birth recorded in the Midhurst Registration District for the March quarter of 1872. Her birth can be found in Volume 2b, Page 401 of the GRO registers:


Births March 1872

Raggett Harriet
Registration District: Midhurst
Volume 2b, Page 401
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I next located Harriet Raggett’s baptism index at the Latter Day Saints (LDS) website at www.familseartch.org. The index shows that Harriet was baptized in the Farnhurst, Sussex Church of England on March 3, 1872, and that her parents are James and Anna Raggett. Farnhurst was also spelled “Fernhurst.” The LDS index comes with microfilm source information:


HARRIETT RAGGETT
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 03 MAR 1872 Farnhurst, Sussex, England

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JAMES RAGGETT
Mother: ANNA

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually
arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: C070451
Dates: 1874-1901
Film Number: 2147045 Items 1 - 5 = Parish registers of Farnhurst, Church of England:
Baptisms, 1874-1901; marriages, 1875-1903; banns, 1874-1887; burials, 1872-1901.
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Harriet’s baptism record can be found in LDS microfilm number 2147045 Items 1 - 5 for the Farnhurst Church of England parish registers covering the years 1874-1901. The film can be ordered from your nearest Family History Center.

I then located the baptism indexes for several of Harriet’s siblings at the LDS website. All the baptisms were recorded in Farnhurst, Sussex. The oldest child listed is George, who was baptized on September 1, 1861. The parents’ names in each record are James Raggett and Hannah. Each baptism index is followed by what I believe to be each child‘s GRO birth index:


GEORGE RAGGETT
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 01 SEP 1861 Farnhurst, Sussex, England

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JAMES RAGGETT
Mother: HANNAH

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually
arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: C070451
Dates: 1789-1876
Film Number: 2147045 Items 1 - 5 = Parish registers of Farnhurst, Church of England:
Baptisms, 1874-1901; marriages, 1875-1903; banns, 1874-1887; burials, 1872-1901.
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Births September 1861

Raggett George
Registration District: Midhurst
Volume 2b, Page 319
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THOMAS RAGGETT
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 06 DEC 1863 Farnhurst, Sussex, England

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JAMES RAGGETT
Mother: HANNAH

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually
arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: C070451
Dates: 1789-1876
Film Number: 2147045 Items 1 - 5 = Parish registers of Farnhurst, Church of England:
Baptisms, 1874-1901; marriages, 1875-1903; banns, 1874-1887; burials, 1872-1901.
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Births December 1863

Raggett Thomas
Registration District: Midhurst
Volume 2b, Page 325
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ANNIE RAGGETT
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 01 JUL 1866 Farnhurst, Sussex, England

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JAMES RAGGETT
Mother: HANNAH

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually
arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: C070451
Dates: 1789-1876
Film Number: 2147045 Items 1 - 5 = Parish registers of Farnhurst, Church of England:
Baptisms, 1874-1901; marriages, 1875-1903; banns, 1874-1887; burials, 1872-1901.
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Births June 1866

Raggett Annie
Registration District: Midhurst
Volume 2b, Page 330
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MARIA ELIZABETH RAGGETT
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 04 OCT 1868 Farnhurst, Sussex, England

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JAMES RAGGETT
Mother: HANNAH

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually
arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: C070451
Dates: 1789-1876
Film Number: 2147045 Items 1 - 5 = Parish registers of Farnhurst, Church of England:
Baptisms, 1874-1901; marriages, 1875-1903; banns, 1874-1887; burials, 1872-1901.
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Births September 1868

Raggett Maria
Registration District: Midhurst
Volume 2b, 355
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The LDS index below may pertain to the marriage of Harriet Raggett’s parents. The index shows that James Raggett and Hannah Holmes were married in the Lurgashall, Sussex Church of England on September 13, 1851. The index is accompanied by LDS microfilm source information for the Lurgashall Church of England Bishops Transcripts:


JAMES RAGGETT
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: HANNAH HOLMES
Marriage: 13 SEP 1851 Lurgashall, Sussex, England

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged
chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: M070781
Dates: 1591 - 1862
Film Number: 1041550 Items 3 - 4 = Bishop's transcripts for Lurgashall Church of England:
Baptisms, marriages, and burials, 1591-1640, 1662-1862.
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The marriage record of James Raggett and Hannah Holmes can be found in LDS microfilm number 1041550 Items 3 - 4, which includes the Lurgashall Bishops Transcripts covering the years 1591-1862. You’ll notice that James and Hannah were married at least ten years before the 1861 baptism of their son George, which is an indication they may have had several children born before 1861. The LDS to date has not placed all of its records online, which may explain why there are no baptisms of Raggett children between 1851 and 1861.

Below is the GRO marriage index for Hannah Holmes and James Raggett. The marriage was recorded in the Midhurst district for the September quarter of 1851 and can be found in Volume 7, Page 607 of the GRO registers

Marriages September 1851

Holmes Hannah
Humphrey William
Luff Mary Ann
Raggett James

Registration District: Midhurst
Volume 7, Page 607
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James and Hannah Raggett would have been married too late to have been recorded as a couple in the 1851 census, But I believe I located them and three of their children in the 1861 census living in an address of Hatch Cottage, Fernhurst. In the 1861 enumeration their surname is spelled “Rigate,” rather than Raggett. I don’t know if this was a mistake on the part of the census official transcribing the surname improperly, or if the family had changed their name.

James is shown to be a 34 year old labourer born in Haslemere, Surrey. His wife Hannah is 29 years old and born in Farnhurst. The three children in the household, include 7 year old Robert, born Farnhurst; 5 year old Mary, born Haslemere; and 2 year old James, born Farnhurst:


1861 England Census

Civil parish: Fernhurst
Ecclesiastical parish: Chichester
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address: Hatch Cottage

Registration district: Midhurst
Sub-registration district: Fernhurst
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 102

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 627; Folio: 22; Page: 18; GSU roll: 542673.


Name, Relation to Head of Household, Condition as to Marriage, Sex, Age, Occupation, Where Born

James Rigate, Head, Married, Male, 34, Labourer, Surrey Haslemere
Hannah Rigate, Wife, Married, Female, 29, Sussex Farnhurst
Robert Rigate, Son, Unmarried, Male, 7, Sussex Farnhurst
Mary Rigate, Daughter, Unmarried, Female, 5, Surrey Haslemere
James Rigate, Son, Unmarried, Male, 2, Sussex Farnhurst
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Below is a GRO birth index for Robert Rigate. The birth was recorded in the Midhurst Registration District for the December quarter of 1853 and can be found in Volume 2b, Page 291 of the GRO registers:


Births December 1853

Rigate Robert
Registration District: Midhurst
Volume 2b, 291
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The 1861 census shows that Mary Rigate was born in Haslemere, Surrey. The registration district for Haslemere was Hambleton, but I didn’t locate a GRO birth index for a Mary Rigate or Mary Raggett in the Hambleton district. It’s possible she was born in one district, but had her birth registered in another, or it’s possible I couldn’t identify Mary’s birth in the GRO registers.

But I did locate the GRO birth index for James Rigate. His birth was recorded in the Midhurst district for the December quarter of 1858 and can be found in Volume 2b, Page 303 of the GRO registers:


Births December 1858

Rigate James
Registration District: Midhurst
Volume 2b, 303
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I then located the family of James and Hannah Rigate in the 1871 census. This census, like the 1861 enumeration, shows they were living in Hatch Cottage, Fernhurst. James is shown to be a 43 year old agricultural labourer born Haslemere, Surrey. His wife Hannah is 39 years old and born in Farnhurst, Sussex. The children in the household include 17 year old Robert, whose complete occupation I couldn’t make out because the census page is very faded, but he appears to have worked in the mines. His birthplace was Farnhurst. The next child is Mary Rigate, 15 years old, born Haslemere, followed by 12 year old agricultural labourer James, born Farnhurst. Also born in Farnhurst were 9 year old George; 7 year old Thomas; 4 year old Annie; and 2 year old Marie. If you go back to the LDS baptism indexes, you’ll note that James and Hannah Raggett had children with these, or variations of these names between 1861 and 1868. Harriet Raggett would not be in the 1871 census, as she was born until 1872:


1871 England Census

Civil parish: Fernhurst
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address: Hatch Cottage

Registration district: Midhurst
Sub-registration district: Fernhurst
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 90

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1121; Folio: 26; Page: 17; GSU roll: 827518.


Name, Relation to Head of Household, Condition as to Marriage, Sex, Age, Occupation, Where Born

James Rigate, Head, Married, Male, 43, Ag Labourer, Surrey Haslemere
Hannah Rigate, Wife, Married, Female, 39, Sussex Farnhurst
Robert Rigate, Son, Unmarried, Male, 17, Mine ?, Sussex Farnhurst
Mary Rigate, Daughter, Unmarried, Female, 15, Surrey Haslemere
James Rigate, Son, Unmarried, Male, 12, Ag Labourer, Sussex Farnhurst
George Rigate, Son, Unmarried, Male, 9, Scholar, Sussex Farnhurst
Thomas Rigate, Son, Unmarried, Male, 7, Sussex Farnhurst
Annie Rigate, Daughter, Unmarried, Female, 4, Sussex Farnhurst
Marie Rigate, Daughter, Unmarried, Female, 2, Sussex Farnhurst
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Next I found James and Hannah Raggett in the 1881 census living in “Hatch Farm House,” Fernhurst, Sussex. James is a 52 year old Carter, born in Haslemere, Surrey. Hannah is 49 years old and born in Fernhurst. The three children in the household include17 year old Thomas, a gardener, born Fernhurst; 12 year old Elizabeth, born Fernhurst, and 9 year old Harriet, also born Fernhurst. Elizabeth is likely the child named Maria Elizabeth Raggett seen earlier in the baptism index from the LDS website. The 1881 census transcription below is from the LDS website:


1881 England Census

Household:

Name, Relation, Marital Status, Gender, Age, Birthplace, Occupation, Disability

James RAGGETT Head M Male 52 Haslemere, Surrey, England Carter
Hannah RAGGETT Wife M Female 49 Fernhurst, Sussex, England
Thomas RAGGETT Son U Male 17 Fernhurst, Sussex, England Gardner
Elizabeth RAGGETT Daur Female 12 Fernhurst, Sussex, England Scholar
Harriet RAGGETT Daur Female 9 Fernhurst, Sussex, England Scholar

Source Information:
Dwelling Hatch Farm House
Census Place Fernhurst, Sussex, England
Family History Library Film 1341276
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1132 / 28
Page Number 15
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I then uncovered James and Hannah Raggett in the 1891 census living in an address of Shalford, Fernhurst. None of their children are in the household with them. But, their 12 year old grandson, William Standing is in the household. William was born in Notting Hill, Middlesex. The census shows that James Raggett is a 63 year old retired carter born Haslemere. Hannah is shown to be 59 years old and born in Fernhurst:


1891 England Census

Civil parish: Fernhurst
Ecclesiastical parish: Fernhurst
Town: Fernhurst
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address or Place: Shalford

Registration district: Midhurst
Sub-registration district: Fernhurst
ED, institution, or vessel: 1

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 848; Folio 10; Page 14; GSU roll: 6095958.


Name, Relation to Head of Household, Condition as to Marriage, Sex, Age, Occupation,
Employer/Employed/ Neither Employer nor Employed, Where Born

James Raggett, Head, Married, Male, 63, Retired Carter, Surrey Haslemere
Hannah Raggett, Wife, Married, Female, 59, Sussex Fernhurst
William Standing, Grandson, Male, 12, Middlesex Notting Hill
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After locating James and Hannah Raggett and their grandson William in the 1891 census, I wondered which daughter of James and Hannah had married a fellow whose surname was Standing. To find out, I accessed the GRO marriage indexes and found that Mary Ragget and Albert Standing were married in the September quarter of 1877. Their marriage was recorded in the Croydon district and can be found in Volume 2a, Page 366 of the GRO registers. In the index below you’ll note there are two different spellings for the name Raggett. This may be due to the FreeBMD transcriber not being able to discern the exact spelling in a copy of the marriage index.

The GRO index below which also includes the marriage of another couple:

Marriages September 1877

Blake Frank
Raggett Mary
Raggrit Mary
Reed Sarah Ann
Standing Albert

Registration District: Croydon
Volume 2a, Page 366
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Next I found the baptism/birth record for William Standing. He was baptized in the Saint Marylebone Church of England on November 2, 1879. He was born on September 28, 1879. At the time of his baptism he and his parents were living in 4 Cape of Good Hope Mews. His parents are Albert and Mary Standing. Albert’s occupation was coachman. The clergyman who baptized William was William Kelly:


Page 9

BAPTISMS solemnized on the parish of St. Marylebone
in the County of Middlesex, in the year One Thousand
Eight Hundred and Seventy-nine

When Baptized. 1879. 2nd Novr. No. 1284
Child's Christian Name. William, son of
Parents Names. Christian. Surname. Albert & Mary
Abode. 4 Cape of Good Hope Mews
Quality, Trade, or Profession. Coachman
By whom the Ceremony was performed, and Date of Birth. Wm Kelly. Sep 28 1879

Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Marylebone, Register of baptisms, P89/MRY1, Item 070
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Below is the GRO birth index for William Standing. His birth was recorded in the Marylebone Registration District for the December quarter of 1879 and can be found in Volume 1a, Page 539 of the GRO registers:


Births December 1879

Standing William
Registration District: Marylebone
Volume 1a, Page 539
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Next I found William’s parents Albert and Mary Standing and four of their children living in an address of 1a Norland Stables, Kensington, London. Albert is shown to be a 39 year old coachman born West Grinstead, Sussex. His wife Mary is 34 years old and born in Haslemere, Surrey. The children in the household include 14 year old Albert, an errand boy, born Marylebone; Annie, 9 years old, born Kensington; 7 year old Mary and 2 year old Ada, both born Kensington:


1891 England Census

Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St James Norlands
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 1a Norland Stables

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 29

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 22; Folio 143; Page 62; GSU roll: 6095132.


Name, Relation to Head of Household, Condition as to Marriage, Sex, Age, Occupation,
Employer/Employed/ Neither Employer nor Employed, Where Born

Albert Standing, Head, Married, Male, 39, Coachman Domestic Servant. Groom, Employed, Sussex West Grinstead
Mary Standing, Wife, Married, Female, 34, Surrey Haslemere
Albert Standing, Son, Male, 14, Errand Boy, London Marylebone
Annie Standing, Daughter, Female, 9, Scholar, London Kensington
Mary Standing, Daughter, Female, 7, Scholar, London Kensington
Ada Standing, Daughter, Female, 2, London Kensington
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I also found Harriet Raggett in the 1891 census, working as a domestic cook for the family of Lamley and Martha Marshall. The address of the Marshall household is 193 Selhurst, Croydon, Surrey. Harriet is shown to be 19 years old and born in Fernhurst, Sussex. Her employer, Lamley Marshall was employed in the civil service working for the GPO, which I take to stand for the “General Post Office.” The census transcription follows:


1891 England Census

Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address: 193 Selhurst

Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 46

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 594; Folio 11; Page 16; GSU roll: 6095704.


Name, Relation to Head of Household, Condition as to Marriage, Sex, Age, Occupation,
Employer/Employed/ Neither Employer nor Employed, Where Born

Lamley A Marshall, Head, Married, Male, 38, Civil Service GPO Grade 1, East India
Martha E Marshall, Wife, Married, Female, 34, Surrey ?
Keith H Marshall, Son, Single, Male, 5, Surrey Norwood
Vera H Marshall, Daughter, Single, Female, 2, Surrey Norwood
Harriott Raggett, Servant, Single, Female, 19, Cook Domestic Servant, Sussex Fernhurst
Ada S Gocia, Servant, Single, Female, 19, Nurse Domestic Servant, London Pimlico
Beatrice Mansor, Servant, Single, Female, 17, Housemaid, Surrey Norwood
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CONCLUSION


If you plan on a great deal of research in English, Canadian, and American records, I recommend a subscription to Ancestry.com. As you can see from the foregoing records, a great deal of information was found about your ancestors through Ancestry.com, especially in the London area church baptism/birth and marriage records.

In addition, a subscription to Ancestry will allow you to go over the records I found, especially census records, concerning the Winter, Edmonds, Raggett, and related families, and help you to confirm or refute that the information I found pertains to your ancestors.

Also, before ordering any GRO birth, marriage, or death records, or LDS microfilms noted above, access the same indexes that I did from the FreeBMD and LDS websites, to see if you agree these indexes pertain to your particular ancestors. I am not a descendant of the Winter or Edmonds and related families, and have not been researching these lines.

Best Wishes,

Dave Boylan