Patrick and Ann Ogorman had two children with them on the Birman - a son 2yrs and Ellen 9mths. They were from Ennis along with Ellen Kelly 20 yrs. Another Patrick and his wife had three children with them. This Patrick was a 'boatman' 34yrs wife 27 kids 14 8 4 and was from Angell (?) and Ballicanally. This information is in a register of immigrant labourers 1836 - 1841 held in the SA State Library. A copy on fische is also held in the WA State Library - may be one where you are.The odd thing is Patrick the boatman and Ellen have concentric 'Embarkation numbers'.