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Re: looking for information on the Shine family of County Cork,Ireland

Posted: 24 May 2003 7:41PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 26 May 2004 4:05PM GMT
Surnames: Quigley/Shine/Scully
I have Shine's in my tree but mostly from Limerick anyway here is my info:
Descendants of Patrick Shine


Generation No. 1

1. PATRICK1 SHINE was born 1770 in Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland, and died in Shannagolden Co., Limmerick Ireland. He married ELLEN UNKNOWN Abt. 1800 in Shanagolden Co, Limerick. She was born 1770 in Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland.

More About PATRICK SHINE and ELLEN UNKNOWN:
Marriage: Abt. 1800, Shanagolden Co, Limerick

Children of PATRICK SHINE and ELLEN UNKNOWN are:
2. i. PATRICK2 SHINE, b. 1801, Shanagolden/Glin Parish Limerick Ireland; d. November 16, 1859, Kings Twp..
3. ii. OWEN EUGENIUS SHINE, b. 1805, Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland; d. 1878, Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland.
4. iii. HENRY SHINE, b. 1803, Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland.


Generation No. 2

2. PATRICK2 SHINE (PATRICK1) was born 1801 in Shanagolden/Glin Parish Limerick Ireland, and died November 16, 1859 in Kings Twp.. He married MARY KELLY 1824 in St Senans Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland. She was born 1800 in Shanagolden/Glin Parish Limerick Ireland, and died April 18, 1881 in Armitage Kings Twp Ontario.

Notes for PATRICK SHINE:
In the Townland of Srulawn in the Parish of Shanagolden, John Walsh and Patrick Shine were jointly tithed on 9.0.0 Irish acres of first quality land at a total cost of £1.70. John Walsh paid 18/- and Patrick Shine paid 9/-.. Other tenants in the townland of Srulawn were: Fitzgerald, Hanley, Fleming, Morgan, Maloney, Sheahan, Lindsay and Madigan. More Shine entries can be found in the Research Notes for Owen Shine.

Srulawn is a very small townland close to the townland of Shanagolden

Two entries were found for Patrick Shine in Griffith's Valuation but it is assumed they were for Patrick Shine jnr. A check in the Lands Commission records would possibly throw more light on this assumption.

More About PATRICK SHINE:
Burial: St John's Cemetery, Newmarket Ont.
Facts (Facts Pg): 1830, Living in Srulawn Shanagolden Parish
Occupation: Farmer
Witnessses: February 19, 1828, Wedding of brother Owen to Margaret Nealon

More About MARY KELLY:
Burial: St John's Cemetery, Newmarket Ont.

More About PATRICK SHINE and MARY KELLY:
Marriage: 1824, St Senans Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland

Children of PATRICK SHINE and MARY KELLY are:
5. i. HELEN OR ELLEN3 SHINE, b. August 11, 1828, Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland.
ii. MARY SHINE, d. February 03, 1890, King's Twp Ontario.

More About MARY SHINE:
Burial: St John's Cemetery, Newmarket Ont.

iii. PATRICK SHINE, b. November 26, 1825; d. July 19, 1903, King's Twp Ontario.

More About PATRICK SHINE:
Burial: St John's Cemetery, Newmarket Ont.
Sponsor's: Patrick McMahon and Helen Fitzgerald

iv. CATHERINE SHINE, b. April 20, 1832, Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland.

More About CATHERINE SHINE:
Sponsor's: Martin Hanley and Mary O'Donnell

v. HENRY SHINE, b. January 02, 1831, Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland.


3. OWEN EUGENIUS2 SHINE (PATRICK1) was born 1805 in Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland, and died 1878 in Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland. He married MARGARET NEALON February 19, 1828 in St Senans Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland. She was born 1800 in Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland, and died January 04, 1866 in Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland.

Notes for OWEN EUGENIUS SHINE:
Owen (Eugenius) Shine was the son of Patrick Shine and Ellen (Helen) (?). Owen (Eugenius) Shine was born circa 1805 at or in Shanagolden Parish (St Senans), Shanagolden, Co Limerick, Ireland.1 He married Margaret Nealon on 19 February 1828 at or in Shanagolden Parish (St Senans), Shanagolden, Co Limerick, Ireland; unfortunately as yet I have been unable to trace any descendants of Patrick Shine #584 and Mary Kelly #585, witnesses to the marriage of Owen and Margaret.2 Owen (Eugenius) Shine died circa 1878, at or in Shanagolden, Co Limerick, (the date of death is not verified but the land records indicate that the land was transferred to Henry Shine in 1878).
Owen (Eugenius) Shine was a farmer and land agent (middleman subletting properties). In 1852 Owen (Eugenius) Shine was listed in the following ratepayer records

FIELD BOOK SHANAGOLDEN
In the Field Book for Shanagolden (1852) the entries for Owen Shine, as the immediate lessor, remained the same as in the Primary Valuationof Tenements (Griffith's Valuation 1848-1864) with only a couple of changes in tenants.3

In 1852 Owen (Eugenius) Shine was listed as a ratepayer in the at or in Townland of Parkmore, Parish of Robertstown, Co Limerick, (see research notes).4 He was also listed as a ratepayers in 1852 in the at or in Townland of Shanagolden, Parish of Shanagolden, Co Limerick, (see reserch notes).

Research Notes:

The first reference to Owen Shine is found in the Field Books, the surveyors prepatory notes on soil condition.

The land tax records which followed list Owen as paying land rates in the townland of Parkmore, a small townland which abuts on to the post town of Shanagolden. Parkmore is in the Parish of Robertstown, a civil parish close to the civil Parish of Shanagolden

Owen Shine is also listed paying rates on properties in the Shanagolden Village, in the townland of Shanagolden, Parish of Shanagolden.

A Patrick Shine (possibly his brother) was listed in the townland of Ballygiltenan North, in the Parish of Kilfergus.

Another Patrick Shine (possibly the same brother) was listed in the townland of Ballinanima (D'Arcy), in the Parish of Kilfinnane

Other Shine entries in Griffith's Valuation have been included due to their proximity to Shanagolden but their relationship to our branch is not proven.

John Shine, Athea Upper, Parish of Rathronan
John Shine, Athea Upper (Village of Athea) Parish of Rathronan
John Shine, Gortnagross (Village of Athea) Parish of Rathronan
John Shine, Grouselodge, Parish of Kilcolman
Nicholas Shine, Ellaha, Parish of Robertstown

The Primary Valuation of Tenements (PVT) were traced from 1852-1900. Very few tenants changed but it was noted that Owen disappeared from the register in 1878.

More About OWEN SHINE and MARGARET NEALON:
Marriage: February 19, 1828, St Senans Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland

Child of OWEN SHINE and MARGARET NEALON is:
6. i. HENRY3 SHINE, b. August 26, 1833, Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland; d. December 13, 1884, Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland Congesstion of the Kidneys.


4. HENRY2 SHINE (PATRICK1) was born 1803 in Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland. He married HANORA FITZGIBBON 1824 in St Senans Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland. She was born 1805 in Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland.

More About HENRY SHINE and HANORA FITZGIBBON:
Marriage: 1824, St Senans Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland

Child of HENRY SHINE and HANORA FITZGIBBON is:
i. MARY3 SHINE, b. March 21, 1825, Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland.

More About MARY SHINE:
Sponsor's: Leahy family joint sponsor, Catherine Shaughnessy


Generation No. 3

5. HELEN OR ELLEN3 SHINE (PATRICK2, PATRICK1) was born August 11, 1828 in Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland. She married ROBERT SCULLY October 23, 1848 in St Pauls's Toronto Ontario. He was born 1821 in Laois Ireland, and died November 27, 1896 in King's Twp Ontario.

More About HELEN OR ELLEN SHINE:
Baptised: August 11, 1828, St. Senan's Shanagolden Parish
Census: April 11, 1901, East of RR Lot 73,1st Conc. Kings Twp. Widow, living alone
Education: reads but can't write
Facts (Facts Pg): 1901, Lives in a 3 room house on 6 Acres
Immigration: 1831
Religion: Roman Catholic
Sponsor's: Michael Hurley and Margt. Maher

Notes for ROBERT SCULLY:
Robert SCULLY M Male Irish 60 Ireland Laborer Roman Catholic
Ellen SCULLY M Female Irish 51 Ireland Roman Catholic
Robert A SCULLY Male Irish 14 Ontario Roman Catholic
Catherine SCULLY Female Irish 23 Ontario Roman Catholic
Lorance SCULLY Male Irish 17 Ontario Roman Catholic


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Source Information: 1881 Ontario Census

Census Place King, York North, Ontario
Family History Library Film 1375885
NA Film Number C-13249
District 137
Sub-district A
Division 5
Page Number 42
Household Number 197



More About ROBERT SCULLY:
Occupation: 1881, 1881 Ontario Census states Labourer

More About ROBERT SCULLY and HELEN SHINE:
Marriage: October 23, 1848, St Pauls's Toronto Ontario

Children of HELEN SHINE and ROBERT SCULLY are:
7. i. CATHERINE4 SCULLY, b. July 12, 1857, King's Twp Aurora Ontario; d. May 1942.
8. ii. MARY ANN SCULLY, b. November 04, 1855.
iii. LAWRENCE SCULLY, b. October 20, 1863; d. August 01, 1884, St. John's Roman Catholic Cemetery, Newmarket Ontario.
iv. ROBERT SCULLY, b. Abt. 1864.


6. HENRY3 SHINE (OWEN EUGENIUS2, PATRICK1) was born August 26, 1833 in Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland, and died December 13, 1884 in Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland Congesstion of the Kidneys. He married CATHERINE SHEEHY March 02, 1859 in Coolcappagh and Kilcolman Parish Duncaha, Co Ireland. She was born December 14, 1840 in Coolcappagh and Kilcolman Parish Limerick Ireland, and died August 28, 1902 in 88 Palmerston St. Carlton, Victoria Australia.

Notes for HENRY SHINE:
Henry was an only child, an unusual occurrence in Ireland. He and Catherine lived on the outskirts of Shanagolden. Henry has been referred to as a farmer but his main source of income was derived from being a middle man, subletting 16 dwellings in the township of Shanagolden, Source: Rate Records (Primary Valuation of Tenements more frequently known as Griffith's Valuation). Up until 1878 his father, Owen, is recorded on the rate records. Unfortunately Henry's career as the landlord was short lived as died in 1884..

More About HENRY SHINE:
Occupation: Crofter style Farmer and Middleman

More About CATHERINE SHEEHY:
Burial: Melbourne General Cemetery

More About HENRY SHINE and CATHERINE SHEEHY:
Marriage: March 02, 1859, Coolcappagh and Kilcolman Parish Duncaha, Co Ireland

Children of HENRY SHINE and CATHERINE SHEEHY are:
i. MARGARET (MAGGIE)4 SHINE, b. March 24, 1860, Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland; d. May 26, 1867, Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland of meningitis.

Notes for MARGARET (MAGGIE) SHINE:
Margaret Shine died at Shangolden and her death was registered in the Glin Registration district in 1867, She was seven years of age and died of meningitis.


[S8] Church Records (Bapt) : Shanagolden Parish.


More About MARGARET (MAGGIE) SHINE:
Sponsor's: Ellen Sheehy and John Hawkins

ii. ELLEN (NELLIE) SHINE, b. September 12, 1861, Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland; d. November 27, 1932; m. PATRICK NOLAN, February 05, 1886, St Mary's Church, West Melbourne, Victoria, Australia; b. 1860, Co Kilkenny, Ireland; d. August 14, 1941, Middle Park, Victoria, Australia.

Notes for ELLEN (NELLIE) SHINE:
Ellen (Nellie) Shine was born in 1861 in/at Shanagolden, Co Limerick. She was christened on 12 September 1861 in/at Shanagolden Parish (St Sennans), Shanagolden, Co Limerick, Ireland; the exact relationship between the family and the baptism sponsor, Mary (Maria) Connors #3313 is unknown.1 She was the daughter of Henry Shine and Catherine Sheehy. Ellen (Nellie) Shine and Patrick Nolan obtained a marriage license on 5 February 1886; (declaration of parentage, age and marital status).2 Ellen (Nellie) Shine married Patrick Nolan, son of Nicholas Nolan and Julia Carrol, on 5 February 1886 in/at St Mary's Church, West Melbourne, Victoria, Australia; it is not known if there was any relationship between the marriage witness, Maurice Quinlan #3291, and the bride and groom but Mary Gaynor is related to Thoms Gaynor #994.3 Ellen (Nellie) Shine was buried at in/at Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton. She died on 27 November 1932, in/at Middle Park, Victoria, Australia, at age 71.4
She emigrated in June 1883 from Co Limerick, Ireland, travelling on the Chimborazo.5 Between 1884 and 1886 Ellen (Nellie) Shine was working as a domestic. In 1886 Ellen (Nellie) Shine and Patrick Nolan were living at in/at Hotham, Victoria.

Research Notes:
I was told this marriage was arranged by their parents. At that time Patrick was a labourer and Ellen was working as a domestic The witnesses to the marriage were Maurice Quinlan & Mary Gaynor, sister to Thomas Gaynor of Kildimo Parish, in the Barony of Kenry

A headstone at Melbourne General Cemetery is as follows: Erected by P. & E. NOLAN in memory of their beloved daughter Vera died 12 Aug 1924, age 23 years also Ellen beloved wife of P. NOLAN died at Middle Park, 27 Nov 1932 native of Shanagolden, Co. Limerick, Ireland also Patrick NOLAN beloved husband of Ellen died 14 Aug 1941. On side Henry NOLAN beloved son of P. and E. NOLAN died 17 Aug 1958 Mary MILLER beloved daughter of P. and E. NOLAN died 27 May 1960 Lily NOLAN beloved daughter of P. and E. NOLAN died 26 Dec 1956.

More About ELLEN (NELLIE) SHINE:
Emigration: June 1883, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia on the SS
Occupation: Domestic

Notes for PATRICK NOLAN:
Patrick Nolan was born in 1860 in/at Co Kilkenny, Ireland. He was the son of Nicholas Nolan and Julia Carrol. Patrick Nolan and Ellen (Nellie) Shine obtained a marriage license on 5 February 1886; (declaration of parentage, age and marital status).1 Patrick Nolan married Ellen (Nellie) Shine, daughter of Henry Shine and Catherine Sheehy, on 5 February 1886 in/at St Mary's Church, West Melbourne, Victoria, Australia; it is not known if there was any relationship between the marriage witness, Maurice Quinlan #3291, and the bride and groom but Mary Gaynor is related to Thoms Gaynor #994.2 Patrick Nolan died on 14 August 1941, in/at Middle Park, Victoria, Australia.3 He was buried at in/at Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton.
In 1886 Patrick Nolan and Ellen (Nellie) Shine were living at in/at Hotham, Victoria. Patrick Nolan was a carrier.

Research Notes:
Patrick was very involved with the Irish community and always supplied his trucks for floats for the St Patricks Day procession.

Headstone:
Erected by P. & E. NOLAN in memory of their beloved daughter Vera died 12 Aug 1924, age 23 years also Ellen beloved wife of P. NOLAN died at Middle Park, 27 Nov 1932 native of Shanagolden, Co. Limerick, Ireland also Patrick NOLAN beloved husband of Ellen died 14 Aug 1941. On side Henry NOLAN
beloved son of P. and E. NOLAN died 17 Aug 1958 Mary MILLER beloved daughter of P. and E. NOLAN died 27 May 1960 Lily NOLAN beloved daughter of P. and E. NOLAN died 26 Dec 1956.

More About PATRICK NOLAN:
Burial: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

More About PATRICK NOLAN and ELLEN SHINE:
Marriage: February 05, 1886, St Mary's Church, West Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

iii. OWEN SHINE, b. May 21, 1863, Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland; d. December 11, 1934, Carlton, Victoria, Australia; m. MARY ANN WALSH, October 08, 1889, Carlton, Victoria, Australia; b. 1867, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia; d. 1938, Carlton, Victoria, Australia.

Notes for OWEN SHINE:
Owen Shine was born in 1863 in/at Shanagolden, Co Limerick, Ireland. He was christened on 21 May 1863 in/at Shanagolden Parish (St Senans), Shanagolden, Co Limerick, Ireland; the exact relationship between the family and the baptism sponsors, Martin Enright #3347 and Margaret Enright #3348, is unknown. This entry was badly smudged and very difficult to read.1 He was the son of Henry Shine and Catherine Sheehy. Owen Shine married Mary Ann Walsh, daughter of Edmond Walsh and Margaret Rohan, on 8 October 1889 in/at Carlton, Victoria, Australia.2 Owen Shine died on 11 December 1934, in/at Carlton, Victoria, Australia, at age 71.3
He emigrated circa 1879 from Ireland, travelling on the (ship unknown). Owen Shine was a labourer with Melbounre City Council. In 1920 Owen Shine lived at in/at Canning Street, Cartlton.

Research Notes:
Owen and his family lived in Canning Street Carlton and his brother, Con and family, lived in nearby Drummond Street. The children of both families and their many cousins played together and attended St Bridget's Parish school. Owen owned a jinker which he used for Sunday outings with the family visiting their many relatives.

More About OWEN SHINE and MARY WALSH:
Marriage: October 08, 1889, Carlton, Victoria, Australia

iv. WILLIAM SHINE, b. February 08, 1865.
v. PATRICK SHINE, b. December 23, 1866.
9. vi. CORNELIUS JOSEPH SHINE, b. July 25, 1869, Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland; d. January 08, 1944, Brighton, Victoria, Australia,.
vii. CATHERINE SHINE, b. January 06, 1871.
viii. HENRY SHINE, b. January 01, 1873.
ix. JOHN SHINE, b. November 15, 1874.
x. JOHN SHINE, b. November 21, 1875.
xi. BRIDGET SHINE, b. May 13, 1878.
xii. MARY AGNES SHINE, b. August 22, 1880.
xiii. CATHERINE (CATHLEEN) SHINE, b. June 18, 1883.
xiv. MARGARET JOSEPHINE SHINE, b. June 18, 1883.
xv. HENRY SHINE, b. December 03, 1884.


Generation No. 4

7. CATHERINE4 SCULLY (HELEN OR ELLEN3 SHINE, PATRICK2, PATRICK1) was born July 12, 1857 in King's Twp Aurora Ontario, and died May 1942. She married SAMUEL AURTHER QUIGLEY January 12, 1889 in Newmarket Aurora Ontario, son of JOHN QUIGLEY and CATHERINE KELLY. He was born January 20, 1861 in Whitchurch Aurora Ontario, and died 1932.

More About SAMUEL AURTHER QUIGLEY:
Occupation: 1889, Labourer
Religion: RC

Marriage Notes for CATHERINE SCULLY and SAMUEL QUIGLEY:
#013794-89 (York Co) Samuel QUIGLEY, 26, Whitchurch, Aurora, b, laborer, s/o John QUIGLEY & Catherine KELLY, married Catherine SCULLY, 28, King Twp., Aurora, s, d/o Robert SCULLY & Ellen SHINE, witn: Robt SCULLY of Aurora, Margaret HASKETT of Newmarket, married 12 January 1889, Newmarket (Rom Cath)

More About SAMUEL QUIGLEY and CATHERINE SCULLY:
Fact: Married by William Berger
Marriage: January 12, 1889, Newmarket Aurora Ontario
Witnesses: Robert Scully and Margaret Haskett

Children of CATHERINE SCULLY and SAMUEL QUIGLEY are:
i. FRANCIS LOUISE5 QUIGLEY, d. 1946; m. LEWIS DONVILLE.
ii. JOHN LAWRENCE QUIGLEY, b. February 23, 1897, Toronto Ontario; d. July 28, 1955, Toronto Ontario; m. TERESA LIDWENA CURRAN, September 10, 1919, St Mary's Toronto Ontario; b. March 29, 1897, Toronto Ontario; d. January 23, 1983, Toronto Ontario.

More About JOHN LAWRENCE QUIGLEY:
Military service: Regimental # 681246

More About JOHN QUIGLEY and TERESA CURRAN:
Marriage: September 10, 1919, St Mary's Toronto Ontario


8. MARY ANN4 SCULLY (HELEN OR ELLEN3 SHINE, PATRICK2, PATRICK1) was born November 04, 1855. She married JOHN QUIGLEY November 08, 1876 in Aurora Ontario, son of JOHN QUIGLEY and CATHERINE KELLY. He was born 1849.

More About JOHN QUIGLEY and MARY SCULLY:
Marriage: November 08, 1876, Aurora Ontario
Witnesses: James Quigley

Children of MARY SCULLY and JOHN QUIGLEY are:
i. CLARA5 QUIGLEY.
ii. AGNES QUIGLEY, b. 1872.
iii. ROBERT QUIGLEY, b. 1880.


9. CORNELIUS JOSEPH4 SHINE (HENRY3, OWEN EUGENIUS2, PATRICK1) was born July 25, 1869 in Shanagolden Parish Limerick Ireland, and died January 08, 1944 in Brighton, Victoria, Australia,. He married MARY (POLLY) BURKE November 29, 1899 in Oakleigh, Victoria, Australia. She was born August 24, 1871 in Kiltenanlea Parish (see Doonass & Truagh), Clonlara Yardfield, Co Clare, Ireland, and died September 09, 1932 in Carlton, Victoria, Australia.

Notes for CORNELIUS JOSEPH SHINE:
He emigrated in September 1887 from Co Limerick, travelling on the Liguria. Con paid £10.0.0 for his passage; the voyage would have taken between 70 and 80 days. He was employed as a general labourer with Melbounre City Council. In 1903 Cornelius Joseph Shine lived at in/at 131 Station Street, Carlton. Between 1924 and 1955 the family lived at in/at 714 Drummond Street, Carlton. In 1936 Con visited John at Brunswick travelling to Fremantle on the Westralia.

Research Notes:

Cornelius emigrated to Australia in 1887 and according to family tradition he arrived on St. Patrick's Day but this is not proven. And what is more, John's family in the west have been told the same story. It appears that this is one of those family stories which over the passage of time have become confused.

Melbourne had a large Irish community who lived in close proximity and the Irish network assisted the ‘new chums' finding them digs and employment. They supported the families in times of grief and happiness cerebrating hatches, arranging matches and grieving together over the despatches.

It was customary for Irish who had already settled here to go down to the port to collect the incoming letters or parcels from home and to meet the new colleens. It was possibly on one of these excursions that Con met Polly Burke.

In 1890s gold was discovered at Kalgoorlie in Western Australia. The land crash in Victorian meant hard times for many so Cornelius decided to join the rush. I was told by John McInerney that Con wrote to John and asked him join him and sent him the £15.0.0 fare. Neither of the brothers appeared to have been successful at mining. Con worked as ganger on the transatlantic rail road and John, who was more entrepreneurial, prospered by carrying water and selling fresh vegetables to the miners from his cart. Missing their family, John and Con returned to Melbourne walking and carrying their swag. Con stayed in Melbourne but John returned to Western Australia. They remained close and Con visited John in the west. 4

Terry Shine related the following story (as told by his father): John Shine lived in a large colonial house on a property called ‘Melville Park'. The house was about half a mile from the hotel at Brunswick Junction. In between the homestead and the hotel was the Brunswick River and it had an old bridge across it but one end had been washed way in a flood. It had a plank about sixteen feet long and about ten inches wide, reaching from the washed out section at the end of the bridge across to the south bank of the river enabling people to still be able to walk across the river.

On a visit to the west Con and John made a customary visit to the Brunswick Hotel walking across the bridge and then across the narrow plank. On their return later in the evening their feet were not quite walking in a straight line which caused them difficulty in negotiating the plank and consequently resulted in them falling into the river. Terry's father, John, who was not old enough to drink fished them both out of the water; no doubt rapidly sobered up by the experience.

Saint Patrick's day was an important date on the calendar for the Irish and the Shine and, Sheehy families with their many related families joined in the festivities which included competitions in music, dancing, poetry and story telling. Patrick Nolan, Ellen Shine's husband, who was in the carrying business always provided drays and horses required for the Saint Patrick's day floats.

The grandchildren had fond memories of their grandfather. Bev O'Malley remembered being taught to knit on 4 inch nails and John McInerney, now deceased, remembered the card nights and Uncle Con singing parodies, telling tall stories and playing his Irish tin whistle and fiddle. The following parody was sung to the tune ‘Bound for Botany Bay'.

I'm cursing Coolgardie, I'm cursing the track,
I'm afraid my old donkey it won't get me back
I stopped in Coolgardie a short time ago
With a bob in my pocket and nowhere to go

Got a job in the Gas house, thirty shillings a week,
In a month they made me a ganger,
I'll own the Gas house in the less than a year
Now that they've made me an Overseer.

More interesting notes on the family

During the Depression (1930s) blackbirding in the Melbourne Cemetery helped the family to keep meat on the table. Blackbirding was not new to the family, in hard times it had been practiced in Ireland.5

Uncle Owen and his family lived in nearby Canning Street and the cousins played together and attended the same school. Owen owned a jinker and my father remembers family excursions to Oakleigh to visit Uncle Patrick and Aunt Norah and to Preston to visit Uncle Harry ad Aunt Lizzie. My father said he would have been about five years old and he sat between his father and Uncle Owen.5

My father said that Uncle Harry, Uncle John and my brother, John William, were like peas in a pod5

Unfortunately I never knew my grandfather as he died in Jan 1944 and I was born in October 43.

At Home in Carlton

In the years between 1850-1900 Carlton was recognized as a pleasant place to live. Con and Polly purchased two homes in this suburb, the first at 131 Station Street where all the children were born and the second at 714 Drummond Street.

Station Street was a simple and basic Carlton cottage; the property was 33 feet wide and 200 feet deep with a back lane. The property purchased from a Mr. Crocket, cost £160.0.0

‘Fernside' at 714 Drummond Street was built in 1894 by Sir Henry Weidner who at that time was Lord Mayor of Melbourne. Con and Mary purchased the house for £910.0.0 in 1924.

The house, typical of the boom style period, was two-story, had a balcony with a decorative cast-iron balustrade and a verandah trimmed with a lace frieze; the matching style front fence had cast-iron spears and gate posts set into a heavy concrete frame. The front footpath and verandah were paved in dark red and black tessellated tiles set in a diamond pattern and the tall front windows (french doors) which opened on to the verandah had painted cream shutters. The panelled front door had acid etched side windows and a top opening breeze window with the name ‘Fernside' etched into the glass. It opened to the entrance hall and stair well with timber wainscotting up to four feet and wall paper above.

The interior had very high ceilings which were hand-painted set off by ceiling roses and elaborate cornice mouldings. Before the advent of electricity the house was lit by gas.

The wall paper in the drawing room, heavily embossed and in strong colours, was deep blue and shades of brown figured with peacocks perched on branches entwined with leaves and scrolls, set in large panels.

At the rear of the house was a fernery which led into a blue stone flagged court yard. The stables with three stalls, a manure pit and the ten feet wide coach house, no longer used for this purpose when the Shine family were resident, had its entrance into the back lane. The house also had a side footpath, not typical as many houses in Carlton had party walls.

714 Drummond Street 1976

The following is from an article that appeared in the Woman's Day on 10 May 1976 and whilst it has little to do with our family it reflects the continuing history of a house that the Shine family once owned.

The feel of a European village by Nene King and Freda Irving

"My father (Mr King) grew up in Carlton. He'd learnt to fight by the time he was eight." Said one elderly resident. "At nine he know that there was a decent feed in the Chinese section of the Carlton Cemetery. The Chinese liked to see their dead buried on a full stomach and would leave feasts on the new graves.

Some years later the character of Carlton changed. Many of the toughs moved out. Migrants moved in and the suburb became almost the headquarters of the Italian committee. Espresso Bars, intimate restaurants, mouth watering delicatessens and wine shops sprang up along Lygon Street, and after-theatre crowds from the city used to Stop off in Carlton for a late, night coffee.

Nowadays pans of tough old Carlton and little Italy still exist, but younger professionals have moved into the area, attracted by what's left of the historic terrace houses and the closeness of the suburb to the city and the University of Melbourne.

Developers have been busy demolishing many of the old houses with their beautiful cast iron work lace verandahs and balustrades but the Carlton Association and the Melbourne City Council are so concerned with the contemporary developers and their lust for demolishing everything to make way for profitable new buildings, that the council's Building Town Planning committee has prepared a report that recommends all buildings before 1914 in Drummond Street south should be preserved.

Many of the old two-storey terraces, particularly in Drummond Street South , are an architectural dream. The red brick wall of St George's Infant School, the Pram Factory and Flea Market are newer acquisitions.

Ann and Erwin Rado live in Drummond Street north. They have been in Carlton for 14 years and moved into their current home six years ago, 1970. Carlton reminds Mr Rado. who was born in Hungary of a European house. 80-year-old house

The Rado house us 80 years old and, and when they moved in it wasn't in very god condition. Ann Rado, an architect, who lectures at Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology and has a little private practice", set about renovating and designing the interior, "while I grumbled a lot", Mr Rado laughed. Today they live in a charming beautifully designed house that creates a feeling of space although it only has five rooms. Mrs Rado has opened up "the two ordinary suburban-sized bedrooms" upstairs and turned them into one large comfortable living room.

Erwin Rado's two Pianos (he studied at the Budapest Conservatorium, taught piano and now plays a fair bit of chamber music for pleasure) dominate room. Shelves, that reach 'the high ceiling are crammed full of books and classical records.

Mrs Rado is interested in the Far East, is a member of the Australia-China Friendship Society and last year spent 17 days in China.

While she was there her husband was in Europe scouting for films. For 23 years he has headed the Melbourne Film Festival and every two or three years he goes overseas.

He particularly enjoys visiting Rome, his favourite city, and when they moved into their Drurnmond Street home he insisted on having it painted his favourite colour — "Roman Red".

"I didn't want 'to buy the house," Mrs Rado recalled, "architecturally it didn't appeal to me, but Erwin walked into it and knew it was the right one. "Actually we were very lucky. We bought just before the housing boom. 1 don't know how people can afford to buy in Carlton now."

The Rados are members of the Carlton Association and say that it is an excellent body. "It gets informed people together and tries to prevent any damaging move against the area." Mrs Rado said. "When we bought this house we were told that the Housing Commission was going to pull down all the houses in this part of the street. But we risked it and the Carlton Association made it such a red-hot public issue that the commission laid off".

Mrs Rado would like to see "contagious neighbourliness" spread in Carlton. "Most blocks of residences in the area have backyards. Why not open them up and share facilities. We all have laundries and gardens. If we opened them up it would he far more economical and efficient and think of the potential safe playing areas for children."

Mr Rado is sceptical about the idea and thinks it would be a long time, if ever, before such a scheme got off the ground.

The Rados love Carlton, and "that with groups like the Carlton Association and the Melbourne City Council, keeping an eye on the area, the future looks good for everyone in this Melbourne suburb.


Notes for MARY (POLLY) BURKE:
Polly emigrated to Australia c1895; according to her daughter, Dora, the trip took seven months as the ship became becalmed for three months in the tropics. As I haven't seen the manifest I am unable to verify this. Prior to marrying in 1899 she was in service for the Staughton family in Park Street, South Yarra and the Chirnside family of Toorak and ‘Werribee Park', Werribee and at Bulla.

Con and Polly had a large family, the last child being Kevin b.1914 who was known as the ‘war baby'. Polly kept in contact with her family in Clonlara, County Clare and with her three brothers who had emigrated to New Jersey, USA.

In September 1932 Kevin took his mother to a garden fete at St Bridget's where she collapsed. Unfortunately she died not long after.

Cloonlara (now Clonlara) is in the townland of Aherinaghamore, Co. Clare.

More About MARY (POLLY) BURKE:
Emigration: 1889, Ship unknown
Facts (Facts Pg): See Notes

More About CORNELIUS SHINE and MARY BURKE:
Marriage: November 29, 1899, Oakleigh, Victoria, Australia

Child of CORNELIUS SHINE and MARY BURKE is:
i. KEVIN BURKE5 SHINE, b. December 18, 1914, Carlton, Victoria, Australia; d. October 10, 1996, 32 Albert Street, Moe, Victoria, Australia; m. PEARL HAZEL LORRAINE AUSTIN, September 09, 1940, Moe, Victoria, Australia; b. July 16, 1917, Trafalgar, Victoria, Australia.

Notes for KEVIN BURKE SHINE:
In 1918 Kevin commenced primary school education in/at St Bridgets Primary School, Carlton, he achieved his Merit and won a scholarship to Parade College. In 1928 he continued his seconday school education in/at Parade College. Between 1929 and 1930 Kevin studied the fitting and turning trade in/at Collingwood Technical School.
Between 1931 and 1932 he was an apprentice employed by Cameron Sutherland & Seward, machinery merchants in Riverside Avenue, South Melbourne. He worked a 5 ½ day week from 8.30 am to 5.30 and half an hour break for lunch for the princely sum of 12/6 per week. He worked there for eighteen months but was retrenched in mid 1929 as the Depression started to take a grip.

In 1932 Kevin Burke Shine lived in/at Mittyack, Victoria; he had been unable to find work and moved to Mittyack to work for his keep with his Uncle Patrick. Kevin being the baby was close to his mother and she sent him two or three tins of tobacco every month. Life in the country was good but he missed the city and returned to Melbourne. Shortly after coming home he took his mother to a garden fete at St Bridget's where she collapsed. Unfortunately she died not long after.

On 23 July 1935 Kevin joined the Victorian Police at a salary of £7.0.0 per week. In 1944 Kevin started secondhand trading and in February 1945 he showed a profit of £90.0.0. This prompted his decision to leave the force and go into his own business. On 12 February 1945 Kevin left the police force and gambled on going it alone. He commenced trading in new and secondhand furniture in a rented shop in Cenreway, Yallorn. Frankie was 14 months old.

Between 1946 and 1970 Kevin continued as a storekeeper in furniture and general household merchandise until his retirement.

More About KEVIN BURKE SHINE:
Burial: Moe, Victoria, Australia

More About KEVIN SHINE and PEARL AUSTIN:
Engagement: 1938
Marriage: September 09, 1940, Moe, Victoria, Australia
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