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Re: BALLYCRISSANE,CO.GALWAY , O'LEARY WILLIAM J

Posted: 3 Feb 2013 2:58PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello Barbara,

I’m not a descendant of William O’Leary and Mary T. Evans, but I found a marriage index that may pertain to them. The index was found at the Latter Day Saints (LDS) website at:
https://www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records

The index shows that William O’Leary and “Marianne” Evans were married in Manhattan, New York on 20 March 1881. The index gives no further information about them or where they came from in Ireland:


William O'Leary, "New York, Marriages, 1686-1980"

groom's name: William O'Leary
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:

bride's name: Marianne Evans
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:

marriage date: 20 Mar 1881
marriage place: Manhattan, New York, New York

groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:

bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:

indexing project (batch) number: M00463-1
system origin: New_York-ODM
reference number:

source film number: 1562447 = Manhattan (New York City) marriage records, 1866-1937: Department of Health. Division of Vital Statistics

Collection: William O’Leary, "New York, Marriages, 1686-1980"
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F6Q4-D5X

Citing this Record
"New York, Marriages, 1686-1980," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F6Q4-D5X : accessed 03 Feb 2013), William O'Leary and Marianne Evans, 20 Mar 1881; citing reference , FHL microfilm 1562447.
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The marriage record for William O’Leary and Marianne Evans can be found in LDS microfilm number 1562447. You can order this film from your local Family History Center. If you’ve never ordered films from the LDS, bring this reply with you to the Family History Center, and a volunteer will help you with the ordering process. There will be a small charge to rent the microfilm. You can also contact your local library, as some libraries will also order LDS microfilms for you, again for a small fee.

I also found some information that may help you to uncover William O’Leary’s baptism. Your information shows that he was born in Ballycrissane, County Galway. This townland was located in the Civil Parish of Tiernascragh, which can also be spelled as Tiranascragh. In turn, an alternate spelling for Ballycrissane would be Ballycrossaun.

If you were a Catholic living in Ballycrissane in the 19th century, you may have attended one of two Catholic Churches in the area. These churches were, and may still be, situated in Killimor and Tiranascragh. This means it’s possible that your William O’Leary was baptized in either of the above named parish churches.

You are fortunate in that the Latter Day Saints (LDS) have filmed the Catholic Church parish records for Killimor and Tiranascragh on one microfilm reel. These parish registers commence in 1831 and end in 1902 on the microfilm.

See the information below:


Parochial registers of Killimor and Tiranascragh, 1831-1902.

Catholic Church. Parish of Killimor and Tiranascragh (Galway) (Main Author)

Notes: The Catholic parish of Killimor and Tiranascragh is in the civil parish of Killimorbologue. There are Catholic chapels in the village of Killimor and in the townland of Tiranascragh.

Some writing is faded and illegible.

Baptisms, 1831-1901; marriages, 1831-1902. FHL BRITISH Film 1279215 Items 3 - 8
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You can order the parish registers for Killimor and Tiranascragh from your local Family History Center. The parish registers can be found on LDS microfilm number 1279215.

To read more about “Tiernascragh,” and to see a signpost for Tiernascragh and Ballycrissane, as well as to watch a video of the parish of Tiernascragh, go to the following link: http://www.irelandxo.com/group/tiernascragh-galway

At the above link you’ll also be able to take a street tour of the parish through Google Maps.

You can also view a Google Map of Ballycrissane by going to: http://tinyurl.com/a5wrore

Once at the map you’ll see the letter A highlighted in orange pointing to Ballycrissane. Left-click on the letter A to generate a “Street view” thumbnail photo of the town. Click on the photo to enlarge it, and you’ll then be able to navigate your way around Ballycrissane with your mouse and pointer to see how rural the community still is.

Not far from the center of Ballycrissane you’ll see a small church which I believe is a Catholic church. This church looks relatively new, and would not have been in existence when William O’Leary was born in 1859.


IRISH RECORDS

Once again based on your information I next found the church marriage index for a George Evans and Susan Neill. This index was uncovered at the Irish Family History Foundation (IFHF) website for County Mayo, and shows that George and Susan’s marriage took place in the Kilcommon Church of Ireland in 1854. This index may refer to the marriage of your ancestors:

1 match for the search criteria: Evans (plus variants) George 1854 Parish: KILCOMMON COFI PARISH (CI)

Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Mayo
Surname: Evans
First Name: George
Spouse's Surname: Neil
Spouse's First Name: Susan
Father's Surname: Evans
Father's First Name:
Mother's Surname:
Mother's First Name:

Year: 1854

Parish/District: Parish: KILCOMMON COFI PARISH (CI)
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The IFHF homepage can be found at: http://www.rootsireland.ie/

Before accessing indexes at the IFHF you’ll first have to register. Registration is free. You’ll also be able to access the marriage index that I did for free, but you will be charged to obtain a transcription of the marriage. You’ll have to purchase credits with a credit card to obtain the transcription. The IFHF website will have more information about purchasing credits for baptism, as well as birth, marriage, and death or burial transcriptions.


1 match for the search criteria: Evans (plus variants) George 1854 Parish: KILCOMMON COFI PARISH (CI)

Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Mayo
Surname: Evans
First Name: George
Spouse's Surname: Neil
Spouse's First Name: Susan
Father's Surname: Evans
Father's First Name:
Mother's Surname:
Mother's First Name:

Year: 1854

Parish/District: Parish: KILCOMMON COFI PARISH (CI)
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The IFHF indexes will only return names of individuals that you submit to the search engine. It will not provide the names for anyone automatically, as sometimes happens at the LDS website. Church of Ireland marriages from this time period traditionally included the names of the fathers of the groom and bride, but not the names of the groom and bride’s mothers. To find out the names of the fathers of the married couple, you either have to look for their first names through additional research, or take a guess as to what they were. The other option is to order the marriage transcription to see what the fathers’ names were. I decided to see if I could guess the first names of the fathers, beginning with George’s father. After several tries the IFHF search engine finally accepted Samuel as George’s father:



1 match for the search criteria: Evans (plus variants) George 1854 Parish: KILCOMMON COFI PARISH (CI)

Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Mayo
Surname: Evans
First Name: George
Spouse's Surname: Neil
Spouse's First Name: Susan
Father's Surname: Evans
Father's First Name: Samuel
Mother's Surname:
Mother's First Name:

Year: 1854

Parish/District: Parish: KILCOMMON COFI PARISH (CI)
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With Susan Neill as the primary partner in the marriage index, I took s several guesses before the IFHF search engine accepted Lewis as her father’s first name:


1 match for the search criteria: Neil (plus variants) Susan 1854 Parish: KILCOMMON COFI PARISH (CI)

Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Mayo
Surname: Neil
First Name: Susan
Spouse's Surname: Evans
Spouse's First Name: George
Father's Surname: Neil
Father's First Name: Lewis
Mother's Surname:
Mother's First Name:

Year: 1854

Parish/District: Parish: KILCOMMON COFI PARISH (CI)
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I then wanted to see if I could find you’re the baptism index for your Mary T. Evans at the IFHF website. I didn’t find it, but did locate the birth indexes for five children of George Evans and Susan Neill. The births were spread out over a span of 21 years. These birth indexes are for Samuel (1854); Elizabeth (1867); George (1870); Sarah (1872); and Isabella (1875). All the births were recorded in the Hollymount District, County Mayo. You would have to order the individual birth transcriptions to find out where the family had been living when each child’s birth was recorded by the local registrar.

You’ll see in the indexes below that George’s last name is not included. This is how the original birth indexes may have been recorded, as the IFHF search engine would not return an index if I included Evans as the surname of the father of all five of the children. When you access the indexes on your own, male sure to leave out the name Evans in the “Father’s Surname” box:


1 match for the search criteria: Evans (plus variants) Samuel 1854 Parish: HOLLYMOUNT DISTRICT (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Mayo
Surname: Evans
First Name: Samuel
Father's Surname:
Father's First Name: George
Mother's Surname: Neill
Mother's First Name: Susan

Year: 1854

Parish/District: HOLLYMOUNT DISTRICT (CP)
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1 match for the search criteria: Evans (plus variants) Elizabeth 1867 Parish: HOLLYMOUNT DISTRICT (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Mayo
Surname: Evans
First Name: Elizabeth
Father's Surname:
Father's First Name: George
Mother's Surname: Neill
Mother's First Name: Susan

Year: 1867

Parish/District: HOLLYMOUNT DISTRICT (CP)
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1 match for the search criteria: Evans (plus variants) George 1870 Parish: HOLLYMOUNT DISTRICT (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Mayo
Surname: Evans
First Name: George
Father's Surname:
Father's First Name: George
Mother's Surname: Neill
Mother's First Name: Susan

Year: 1870

Parish/District: HOLLYMOUNT DISTRICT (CP)
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1 match for the search criteria: Evans (plus variants) Sarah 1872 Parish: HOLLYMOUNT DISTRICT (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Mayo
Surname: Evans
First Name: Sarah
Father's Surname:
Father's First Name: George
Mother's Surname: Neill
Mother's First Name: Susan

Year: 1872

Parish/District: HOLLYMOUNT DISTRICT (CP)
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1 match for the search criteria: Evans (plus variants) Isabella 1875 Parish: HOLLYMOUNT DISTRICT (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Mayo
Surname: Evans
First Name: Isabella
Father's Surname:
Father's First Name: George
Mother's Surname: Neill
Mother's First Name: Susan

Year: 1875

Parish/District: HOLLYMOUNT DISTRICT (CP)
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Along with the address of the Evans family, the birth transcriptions may also include the exact date of birth of the children, and the occupation of the father of the children.

Hollymount is located in the Civil Parish of Kilcommon. The IFHF marriage index for George and Susan shows they were married in the Kilcommon Church of Ireland. This means it’s possible that the Evans children were all born in Kilcommon or a nearby townland.

The Kilcommon area is still very remote and less developed than other parts of Ireland. You can imagine how remote it would have been when the Evans and Neill families lived there in the 19th century.

To view a Google Map of Kilcommon, go to: http://tinyurl.com/bhaotgw

Once at the map you’ll see the letter A pointing to Kilcommon just below a river. This is the Owenmore River. There is no Street view linked with map for Kilcommon. But you can obtain a Street view of the N59 highway just above Kilcommon. To do this go to the Zoom-in/Zoom-out gage in the upper left section of the map. Just above the gage you’ll see a little yellow peg-man. Grab the peg-man with a left-click of your mouse and pointer, and drag him over to Kilcommon, and let him go just above the N59 highway tag on the map. Pan the image around and you’ll be able to take a tour past Kilcommon. You’ll also be able to see the Owenmore River along the way.


CONCLUSION

Barbara, before you order microfilms from the Family History Center or public library, and before you order marriage and birth transcriptions from the IFHF, I recommend that you access the same indexes that I did, to see if you agree that these indexes may pertain to your O’Leary, Evans, and Neill ancestors. You may have to experiment with the IFHF website for a bit, as it is not the easiest to navigate.

Best of Luck with your research.

Dave Boylan
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