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Need help looking for Michael Carroll born 1814

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Re: Need help looking for Michael Carroll born 1814

Posted: 23 Dec 2012 9:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello Gerald,

I’m not a descendant, but located what I believe to be the family of 37 year old Michael and 37 year old Mary “Carrol,” and their two children, 14 year old Michael and 8 year old Thomas, in an address of 7 Little Pitt Street, Manchester, in the 1851 census. Michael is shown to be a tailor, while his wife Mary’s occupation is “Clothier Dealer.” Both Michael and Mary were born in Ireland, according to the census. Their son Michael’s occupation is wood turner, while young Thomas is still in school, as he is listed as a “Scholar.”

The 1851 census transcription for the Carrol family, from Ancestry.com, follows:


1851 England Census

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 7 Little Pitt Street

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 1kk

Household schedule number: 62
Piece: 2228
Folio: 304
Page Number: 15

Name, Relation to Head of Household, Condition as to Marriage, Sex, Age, Occupation, Where Born

Michael Carrol, Head, Male, Married, 37, Tailor, Ireland
Mary Ann Carrol, Wife, Married, Female, 37, Clothier Dealer, Ireland
Michael Carrol, Son, Unmarried, Male, 14, Wood Turner, Manchester Lancashire
Thomas Carrol, Son, Unmarried, Male, 8, Scholar, Manchester Lancashire

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2228; Folio: 304; Page: 15
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Michael and Mary’s son Thomas may lead to information which will tell you what Mary’s maiden name was, though probably not where Michael and Mary were from in Ireland.

The British government commenced with the civil registration of births, marriages, and deaths for England and Wales in the September Quarter of 1837. The September quarter includes the months of July, August, and September.

At 8 years old in 1851, Thomas would have been born circa 1842-1843, that is, if the census is accurate about his age.

The 1851 census was conducted on the night of Sunday, 30 March. If Thomas had been born on a date before 30 March, he would have been 8 years old in 1851. If he had been born on a date after 30 March, he would have actually turned 9 in 1851.

I looked for Thomas’s birth index at the FreeBMD website at: http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

I narrowed his birth year down to 1842-1843, and the location of his birth Lancahsire, rather than Manchester, as there are several towns which were situated within the greater Manchester District then, as now. These indexes do not, unfortunately, provide the names of the parents of the child.

I found two possibilities for Thomas’s birth in the indexes at FreeBMD. The first two birth indexes below refer to the same Thomas, whose birth was recorded in the Chorlton Registration District for the March quarter of 1842. His full name is listed as Thomas Marsden Carrol in one index, and Thomas Marsdon Carrol in the other:


Births March Quarter 1842

Carrol Thomas Marsden

Registration District: Chorlton

Volume: 20

Page: 263


AND


Carrol Thomas Marsdon

Registration District: Chorlton

Volume: 20

Page: 265
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And so it appears that this Thomas’s birth was recorded by the Chorlton Registrar twice, once in Volume 20, Page 263 of the birth registers, and once in Volume 20, Page 265 of the birth registers. Both indexes refer to the same child.

The next index below for Thomas Carrell/Carroll shows his birth recorded in the Salford Registration District for the March Quarter of 1843. There are two index entries for him as well, one which spells his surname Carrell and one Carroll, though unlike Thomas Marsden Carrol, this Thomas’s birth is recorded on the same page (779) in Volume 20:


Births March Quarter 1843

Carrell Thomas

Registration District: Salford

Volume: 20

Page: 779


AND


Carroll Thomas

Registration District: Salford

Volume: 20

Page: 779
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Civil birth records as well as marriage and death records are held by the General Register Office (GRO) in Southport England. You can order records from the GRO by going to the following website:
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

I can’t be sure which, if either of the birth indexes above pertains to Michael and Mary Carroll’s son Thomas, nor that the parents of either Thomas were Michael and Mary. You may have to order both birth certificates to find out.

To read about Chorlton and Salford and their connection to the City of Manchester, go to the following two Wikipedia links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chorlton-on-Medlock

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salford,_Greater_Manchester

The 1841 census you noted in your message to Ancestry.com shows that the Carroll family were living in James Leigh Street, Manchester. To see where James Leigh Street is located go to the Google Maps link at;
http://tinyurl.com/cvuq8yn

Once at the map enlarge it slightly so that the streets and landmarks of the area are more clearly delineated. On the map you’ll see the letter A pointing to James Leigh Street. Left-click on the A to generate a “Street view” thumbnail photo of James Leigh Street. Next, click on the photo to enlarge it and you’ll see that James Leigh Street appears to be an alley-way, but if you navigate the view 180 degrees, you see that the Salisbury Hotel is on the corner of James Leigh and Caley Streets. It’s possible that your Carrol ancestors had lived in the building housing the Salisbury Hotel, or in one of the adjoining buildings.

The 1851 census shows the Carroll family living in Little Pitt Street. Go to the Google Map link to see where Little Pitt Street is located in Manchester at: http://tinyurl.com/cxgap4x

Left-click on the A to generate a street view. The road you are looking at is actually Dean Street. Rotate the image a quarter turn to the left and you’ll come to Little Pitt Street. You’ll see that Little Pitt Street is a very narrow and short road with parking lots on either side. All of the housing that would have been there has been razed. Little Pitt Street connects Dean Street and Port Street.

Best Wishes for Christmas,

Dave Boylan
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warmbell 11 Apr 2012 7:56PM GMT 
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