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Re: Granville Knox, county Mayo, Ireland

kpatricia291 — 2013-05-25 16:18:33Z

Granville Henry Knox and Ellen Farrer where married at St Mary, Walton on the Hill, in Lancashire, England on 9 July 1863. Granville was a full age Merchant Clerk Bachelor of Liverpool and Ellen Farrer was a minor Spinster of Kirkdale. The groom’s father, James Annesley Knox was deceased (d. 1849) as was Ellen’s father, Richard Frederick Farrer (d. 1846) when they were married. The witnesses present at their wedding were Dorothy Farrer, Ellen’s sister and Emma Farrer, Ellen’s mother.

Richard Frederick Farrer, Ellen’s father, died suddenly when he was 40 years old. He was buried at Pudsey All Saints Chapel & St Lawrence Parish Church on 02 February 1846. His youngest son Frederick, was born just 2 weeks earlier on 18 January 1846. Ellen was only 1 ½ years old. Her father owned a number of small acreage plots through out Pudsey that were used by tenants as pasture land. Ellen’s mother Emma, became an annuant and Ellen an heiress. Ellen had 4 siblings, Dorothy, Lucy, Richard and Frederick. Her mother, Emma Girtin, was born in Middlesex, London in 1814. She was the second daughter of John Girtin the engraver (brother to the famous watercolorist Thomas Girtin) and Elizabeth Jackson. Elizabeth, was the daughter of timber merchant, John Jackson, Esq. of Ebury House, Chelsea. In 1817, John Girtin’s house on Broad Street caught fire and his wife Elizabeth, died in his arms as he carried her from the burning building. John's 3 daughters, Elizabeth, Emma and Mary Ann escaped alive. After the fire, John sold his assets and moved his family to Pudsey. John died a few years later from decline. He was buried in Westminister on 12 May 1821. His business address was still listed as 25 Compton Street, London. His youngest daughter, Mary Ann, died on 7 September 1839 in Fulneck from plumonary consumption, she was 23 years old. His oldest daughter, Elizabeth, married Andrew Dalziel at the Parish Church of Cheadle on the 19 December 1839. Emma, married Richard Frederick Farrer of Pudsey on the 25 November 1843, at the Parish Church in the County of York. The Farrer’s have centuries of history in Pudsey and are well documented there through parish records. The Girtin’s were Huguenots (French Protestants) with a long history in Southwark, England.

Granville Henry Knox, was a great grandson of Francis Knox of Rappa Castle. The family seat in County Mayo, Ireland. His father James Annesley Knox and his mother Mary Mina Knox were cousins. James and Mina were married on 28 March 1833 and had 3 sons and 2 daughters. Their first son and heir, James Fitzroy died in 1872, unmarried. Granville Henry was their second son and Lionel William their third son. Of their 2 daughters, Jane Harriet, the elder daughter, married Albert Henry Knox, Esq., paymaster, Sligo Militia and had 3 sons and 6 daughters. Constance Mina, second daughter of James and Mina, married Edward Leet, late captain, North Mayo Regiment and had issue. Granville Henry by his marriage to the heiress Ellen Farrer, was able to purchase Errew in the parish of Crossmolina, barony of Tirawley, Co Mayo, from Charles O'Donnell. In 1876 he owned 1182 acres in Co Mayo and 1128 acres in Co Sligo. He overextended his resources by building a large house at Errew, which became known as 'Knox's Folly'. It is a large plan Victorian Gothic house built on a peninsula jutting out into Lock Conn. It was designed by James Franklin Fuller. Building began in 1872 and was completed by 1877. A picture of "Errew Grange" can be found on David Hicks site: http://davidhicksbook.blogspot.com/2012_11_01_archive.html
Following his bankruptcy, Granville and his family immigrated to Nova Scotia.

On 4 October 1881 Granville Henry and Ellen boarded the Montreal Ocean Steamer "Caspian" in Liverpool, England for a 32 day voyage through St. John's Newfoundland to Halifax, Nova Scotia, arriving on 06 November 1881 with 11 of their 14 children. The 3 youngest girls (Kathleen, Jane Harriett and Anna Mae) were born in Bridgewater. Granville Henry passed away in 1894 and Ellen in 1934.

Ellen’ s brother, Frederick Farrer and her mother, Emma Girtin Farrer were her trustees on an Indenture of Marriage Settlement, dated the 17th day of June 1863; executed when she married Granville Henry Knox. Her trustees created an Indenture of Mortgage on her behalf on the 29th day of April 1871. The sum of £1000 was loaned to Fitzroy Knox, (Granville’s brother) on his share of property in Bellaghey. These funds came from her Indenture of Marriage Settlement. As a result, Ellen received 6% interest which was duly paid on the mortgage debt and subsequently in the form of Land Bonds up until her death on the 9th day of June 1934; where upon the principal was equally distributed among her surviving children.

The Knox line through Granville Henry is an ancient and long line of nobility and even royalty that is still in power today. He is a direct descendent of both the Honorable John Annesley and the 4th Lord Richard Blayney who were each 1st cousins to Lady Diana Spencer, 10x removed. The Annesley’s directly descend from 4 of the 6 sons of King Edward III. He also directly descends through the Browne’s at Westport House (The Marquis of Sligo). Alice Caroline Stanley, a cousin here in the states was wife to Dean Acheson, Secretary of State serving Harry S. Truman. She directly descended through the same Browne’s. Sir John Perrot, one of his great grandfathers may have been fathered by King Henry VIII as history has it. And, of course his family has married back into the Earls of Arran (Gore) many times as well as the Palmer's of Kenure Park and the Mahon's of Castlegar. Through the Earls of Arran, Lady Cecilia Letitia Gore was a direct relation. She was married to Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex, and sixth son of King George III. As their marriage was in contravention of the Royal Marriages Act 1772, it was considered legally void, and she could not be styled either as the Duchess of Sussex or a Princess. She was created Duchess of Inverness, in her own right, by Queen Victoria, on 10 April 1840. When she died the chief mourner at her funeral was the Prince of Wales, the future King Edward VII. Also through the Gores, was his cousin, Constance Georgine Gore-Booth (The Countess Marckievcz) at Lissadell; a noblewoman who took part in the Easter Rising and spent her life fighting for the rights of the Irish people.

The following was written by Dr. James P. Gallagher of Countess Markievcz...Known as the Rebel Countess, Suffragette, Socialist and Soldier. She campaigned vigorously against the imposition of conscription on the Irish nation. She fell foul of the British authorities once more and was imprisoned in Holloway Jail. During her incarceration she created history by becoming the first woman ever elected to the British Parliament. On March 10 1919, she was released from Holloway and on the following June imprisoned once again in Cork Jail for making seditious speeches. On April 1 of that year following her appointment to the First Irish Dail as Secretary for Labour, she achieved the distinction of becoming the first woman Cabinet Minister in the world. Having dispensed her possessions to the poor of Dublin she died penniless in an open ward in a public hospital on July 15 th 1927. She was 59 years old. Although her contribution to the cherished dream of a free Ireland was immeasurable, a hostile Freestate Government refused her the recognition of a State funeral. Ireland on that day mourned one of our greatest heroines. Today, enjoying the fruits of her struggle, we remember and rejoice in the achievements of the 'Rebel Countess' and her comrades. Their greatness and their deeds inspire us!

We have centuries of intermarriage between cousins and families. Many in his family were members of parliament or had other positions of distinction. There is no shortage of ancient and interesting history, stories, castles, manor houses and wealth through Granville Henry Knox all very clearly documented.

Please delight us with stories of his heirs, we look forward to hearing from you. Thank you.

Re: Cattigan Family - Achil Island

mtbaran — 2013-05-23 02:54:09Z

John & Maud McNeeley lived on West 103 Strret off Loraine Ave in St Ignatius Parish church: children, Sean, Mary,Hubert(died12 yrs),Kathleen, Maeve(or Matilda married. ED Campbell from BALLYCROY),CHRISTINE,James,Patrick(my dad married Katie or Catherine Barrett from Ashleam). My granddad is John J. McNeela front Shraheens and my grandmom is Maud Ginley (Ginnelly from Dooega diagonal to Lavelles establishment) My aunts Mary,Kathleen,and Madge were active inWestside Irish club

Re: Mary Bridget SHIEL/SHEEL dau of Michael, Swinford, Cty Mayo 1858

shielsjohn — 2013-05-22 20:29:06Z

Oops. Michael born before 1827 not same year as marriage. Some expert?

Jack

Re: Mary Bridget SHIEL/SHEEL dau of Michael, Swinford, Cty Mayo 1858

shielsjohn — 2013-05-22 20:26:07Z

Hello All,
My records are from LDS (Mormon) microfilms(this dates the sources) of parish records and civil sources. My interest is Shiel/s/ds/d/etc and families related by marriage or baptismal witnesses.First, Michael and Bridget& children:
Michael b.1843 d.1896; m. Bridget 5Feb1843; children James 1845, Mary 1848; Sabina 1851; Eleanor 1853;Michael 1854; Daniel 1858; Common 1863 my GF; Anne 1866;Patrick 1870 info from cousin; Bridget 1871.
I have other notes for specific info e.g.
TOWNLAND YEAR DAY GROOM/FATHER B/M GIVEN NAME BRIDE/MOTHER SPONSORS (ignore other notes)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

SWINFORD 1885 05/31 MURRAY,PATRICK
B MARY ELIZ.
KEARNS,ELLEN AGNS MICHAEL KEARNS, JULIA DURKAN @

SWINFORD 1886 08/19 MURRAY,PATRICK
B ELLEN AGNES
KEARNS,ELLEN AGNS ISAAC AND ELLEN SHIEL Item 9 #

SWINFORD 1888 12/20 MURRAY,PATRICK
B BRIDGET
KEARNS,ELLEN AGNS PATRICK TUNNY, WINIFRED SHIEL @

SWINFORD 1876 05/06 KEARNS,ANTHONY
B ELEANOR
DOHERTY,BRIDGET ELEANOR SHIEL 9 #

SWINFORD 1876 12/24 GALLAGHER,EDWARD
B MARY DOGHERTY
BRIDGET JAMES KEARNS,MARY DOHERTY 9 #
Jack (John) Shiels N.J.

Re: Mary Bridget SHIEL/SHEEL dau of Michael, Swinford, Cty Mayo 1858

Bgentle33 — 2013-05-22 18:14:07Z

Hi sylishiel and thanks for the response. Do you have document evidence of the birth of the children for Michael and Bridget Kennedy? I know parish records are useful, to date i have been unable to access these. It appears that your family fits the information i have; i'd really like the proof as i'm sure you'll understand!

Thanks again.

Re: Mary Bridget SHIEL/SHEEL dau of Michael, Swinford, Cty Mayo 1858

Bgentle33 — 2013-05-22 18:13:12Z

Hi and thanks for the response. Do you have document evidence of the birth of the children for Michael and Bridget Kennedy? I know parish records are useful, to date i have been unable to access these. It appears that your family fits the information i have; i'd really like the proof as i'm sure you'll understand!

Thanks again.

Re: Claremorris parish records

MargaretChristine_H — 2013-05-22 15:07:09Z

Hi Janet,
Don't supoose you came across Patrick John Healy-Father Michael.He was born 2/2/1839 in Hollymount.

Thanks Chris

Re: Mary Bridget SHIEL/SHEEL dau of Michael, Swinford, Cty Mayo 1858

DianeCulhane46 — 2013-05-22 13:13:48Z

Have you searched the censuses, parish and civil records? What dates do you have? You're not providing enough information for people to help you.

Diane

Re: Mary Bridget SHIEL/SHEEL dau of Michael, Swinford, Cty Mayo 1858

sylishiel — 2013-05-22 11:16:28Z

Nearly all of my information including dates are from family, but the census is very helpfull for their exact location and other names.

Re: Granville Knox, county Mayo, Ireland

kpatricia291 — 2013-05-20 18:46:38Z

Name, Date of Birth
Granville Henry Knox, xx/xx/1840
Ellen Farrer Knox, 06/23/1844
Annesley Frederick Granville Knox, 06/18/1862
Constance Mina Knox, xx/xx/1864
Herbert Dudley Wilton Knox, 08/15/1866
Gertrude Ethel Knox, 06/25/1868
Hilda Maud Emma Knox, 07/10/1869
Arthur Somerset Girtin Knox, 02/10/1872
Frederick Fitzroy Farrer Knox, xx/xx/1873
Dora Ellen Knox, 02/20/1875
James Lionel Richard Knox, 08/01/1876
Lucy Fredericka Knox, 05/07/1878
Randolph E. Knox, 05/11/1880
Kathleen C. Knox, 09/20/1882
Jane Harriett Knox, 05/10/1884
Anna Mae Knox, 05/09/1888

Dates came from the 1934 probate records on file in Lunenburg County, Nova Scotia Canada concerning the estate of Ellen Farrer Knox. Some of these birthdays differ from those on file with the the Canadian cenusus.

There are 4 children that seemed to have died or dissappeared when these probrate records were finalized. There was no mention of them. They are Constance Mina who was listed as deceased with a living child but this entry was struck. Arthur Somerset, Frederick Fitzroy and Anna Mae. They did live and are documented in the census records of 1891 and Anna again in 1901. Census records did call Anna, Annie. Annesley passed away in 1925 but he was listed in Ellen's probate records. Her estate was administered by her son, Herbert Dudley Wilton Knox. If you have more information please let us know. Thank you.

Re: Cattigan Family - Achil Island

maryellenchambers — 2013-05-20 01:31:32Z

Two of the surnames you are researching are familiar to me. Did your MCNEELEY family live on W 47th Street in Cleveland in the 1930 to maybe 1950?? Although a small child, I often was at my maternal grandparents about 4 houses down the street from this MCNEELEY family.
My g grandmother Margaret (Peggy) nee COONEY FRIEL was from Shraheen. She was the daughter of Owen and Margaret nee MCINTIRE COONEY. Several of her siblings came out from 1870 to 1890. Many resided in The Angle.
My g aunt Ann nee MCFADDEN MCNAMARA MOONEY's first husband was a Thomas MCNAMARA from Ashlearn Achill.
Although the other surnames are familiar to me and my mother referenced people with them as "cousins" have no idea with the exception back in the day they all lived in the Angle and moved west as they moved "up" in the world.

Mary Ellen Chambers

maryln61@yahoo.com

John Sheridan

kevinsheridan55 — 2013-05-19 23:11:23Z

Can anyone help me find the family of a John Sheridan born in Ireland in 1828. John left Ireland for Scotland and in 1853 married an Elizabeth Pringle in Wigtonshire, Scotland. John died in 1873 in the Parrish of Penningham, Wigtonshire, Scotland. I am hoping to find the Sheridans in County Mayo connected to this John Sheridan so I can confirm that this is the correct John Sheridan and hopefully make a visit there this summer.

I found a Birth Record in the region South Mayo for a John Sheridan in 1828, whose parents were Patrick Sheridan and Bridget Sheridan. Is this indeed the John Sheridan who moved to Scotland and is my relative?

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks much, Kevin

Re: Cattigan Family - Achil Island

mtbaran — 2013-05-19 17:30:06Z

hi,I am researching McNeela family. My grandfather's name John J. McNeela was changed to McNeeley at immigration into Cleveland, Ohio,USA. Shraheens is my McNeela linkage and I too played with my cousins Rosemary & John children of Tommy & Bridget McNeela ...are we talking about the same family?Tommy McNeela mother was Maggie Masterson,my mom's aunt, my grandmom, Sarah who married Tom Barrett, lived in Ashleam, Achill Isaland. I need help with my ggranddad,James McNeela (records reflect spellings McNella)can Hoyle help with names of James 2 wives,and Rutherford Info...I am in contact with cousins Rosemary & John..I live by Cleveland, Ohio,USA, thanks...help?I have a Tree on ancestry.com look up Patrick Hubert McNeeley (McNeela)

Re: JUDGE / NALLEN / CALLAHAN from Mayo County

kdiamond167 — 2013-05-18 19:24:53Z

Hi Holly
Its been a while since your post and you may have found answers. In case you haven't, I'm researching lots of my relatives across north Mayo and am familiar with some names. Bunnyconnellan East and West are two townlands in the parish of Kilgarvin and the barony of Gallen, as is the townland of Drumsheen. They're the other side of Ballina, and not that far from Crossmolina but in the 1800s you probably wouldn't travel too much between these parishes with lack of transport. There were a number of Judge and Nallen families in Crossmolina and while James Francis Judge and his siblings may have been born in Crossmolina, it looks like the family may have moved to Bunnyconnellan East when young.

I've found what looks like this family in Bunnyconnellan East in 1901. Try www.leitrim-roscommon.com for 1901 census. Patrick's wife is called Honor in 1901 but I am aware of some women named Honor(ia) Anne, and then mainly called Anne. It looks like the same family in nearby Drumsheen in 1911 but I'll leave you to work that out. In 1911 it said that Patrick and Annie had 8 children, but only 6 still living in 1911. See www.census.nationalarchives.ie (has 1911 and 1901 census). Theres a James on both 1901 and 1911 census but it doesn't give his second name.

I've seen a Sabina Callaghan born to a Catherine and Patrick Callaghan in the townland of Coolturk, parish Crossmolina on 1911 census. Dont know if this is yours but this Sabina would have been born around 1906.

The Church of the Latter Day Saints website www.familysearch.org has someone who has recorded a Pat Judge, born 1865 and an Ann Nallen, born 1869 with a child Mary Ella (Ellen) Judge, born 1891. Mary Ellen went to Baltimore and married an Owen Sweeney. Had a daughter Rita, born 1921. This looks like it could be one of yours.

Hope this is of some use if you haven't already discovered things.
Kathleen Diamond

Re: Claremorris parish records

fillthegap — 2013-05-18 02:32:59Z

Hi Janet, would you by any chance have Bradshaw on your list Please?

Re: Mary Bridget SHIEL/SHEEL dau of Michael, Swinford, Cty Mayo 1858

shielsjohn — 2013-05-18 00:55:11Z

From New Jersey. My father (Michael SHIEL) emigrated from Swinford, County Mayo and is related to Mary SHIEL, etc.
I have a spreadsheet for the family beginning with Michael, married to Brigid KENNEDY 1843.
Also, they are related to the "Foxford" SHIEL family possibly more than once but not documented.
If I can help with specific questions let me know.If the "syletcshiel", no disrespect intended, is a Sylvester, it is interesting to note that Silvester and Isaac were names used by the Foxford clan one of whom also lived in Swinford.
If I can assist please email shielsj@msn.com.
Thank you, Jack (john) Shiels

Re: Mary Bridget SHIEL/SHEEL dau of Michael, Swinford, Cty Mayo 1858

DianeCulhane46 — 2013-05-17 11:02:47Z

Do you have dates for any of these people? What sources have you checked? Censuses, civil indexes, church records?

Diane

Re: Mary Bridget SHIEL/SHEEL dau of Michael, Swinford, Cty Mayo 1858

sylishiel — 2013-05-17 07:52:28Z

Hi, I just came across this message, so I hope someone answers, my ggg grand-father and mother are Michael SHIEL (or SHEIL) and Bridget KENNEDY, they had appr. 10 children; James, Mary, Sabina, Eleanor, Michael, Patrick, cummon, Anne, Bridget and Daniel.

I started my familytree just a few month ago but I might be able to help and hopefully others might fill in the gaps in my familytree.

My family is from Swinford, Meelick and kilasser

Hope to hear from someone soon

Re: McNeice's of Mayo County, Ireland

a_gibbs59 — 2013-05-16 16:48:16Z

NJB,

Please contact me at a.gibbs@telus.net, and I will send you a GEDcom or PDF file of Joseph's descendants.

Ann Gibbs

Re: Cleary, Melican, Hapnick, Flanery

DaveBoylan — 2013-05-16 14:02:26Z

Hello Pat,

There’s no way of knowing if the Find-A-Grave entry refers to Martin Mellican’s father, but I suppose there is the possibility that the grave does refer to Martin’s father, but you would need more evidence to confirm that.

I also can’t be sure that the IFHF index I found after my last communication refers to your Martin Mellican. I had redoubled my efforts to look for the baptism of a Martin Mellican at the IFHF and found one possibility. This shows a Martin Mellican, son of Martin Mellican and Catherine, baptized in the Kilrossanty, County Waterford Catholic Church in 1851. As you know, the nickname for Catherine is Kate, and Kate is listed as Martin’s mother in Martin’s death record. By the way thank you for sending the death record attachment for Martin, which gives his age as “About 55,” placing his year of birth in 1855. But, his age in the 1880 census is listed as 27, placing his year of birth in 1853. And so, 1851 would not be too much off the mark, given that ages in old census returns and death records may not be accurate..

The index for Martin is below:

1 match for the search criteria: Mellican Martin 1851 Parish: KILROSSANTY (RC)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Waterford
Surname: Mellican
First Name: Martin
Father's Surname: Mellican
Father's First Name: Martin
Mother's Surname:
Mother's First Name: Catherine

Year: 1851

Parish/District: KILROSSANTY (RC)
____

I couldn’t find the maiden name for Martin’s mother Catherine. The IFHF search engine did not accept Halfpenny or any other variant of the surname. I had some credits left over from previous searches at the IFHF, and so purchased the baptism transcription for Martin, and was disappointed to find that the transcription does not include Catherine’s maiden name, though does show that the sponsors, or godparents were John Casey and Catherine Mellican.

The transcription is below:

Church Baptism Record
Name: Martin Mellican
Date of Birth:
Date of Baptism: 01-Feb-1851
Address: Parish/District: KILROSSANTY
Gender: County Co. Waterford
Denomination: Roman Catholic

Father: Martin Mellican
Mother: Catherine

Occupation:

Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: John Casey

Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Catherine Mellican

Notes:
____

But again Pat, I can’t be sure this baptism refers to your Martin. Have you obtained the birth and death records for all of Martin and Mary’s children, to see if these records give at least a county of birth in Ireland for their father?
Knowing the county of his birth would narrow down the search for his baptism record, if it exists.

Hopefully Pat you’ll be able to find more information about Martin. Please let me know how you progress as your search goes on.

Best of Luck,

Dave

Re: Cleary, Melican, Hapnick, Flanery

PatBrooks1961 — 2013-05-14 23:14:41Z

Mr. Boyle~~
I found a Martin Melican on FindaGrave - do you think there's any possibility that this may have been Mary's husband's father???

"Birth: 1807
Death: Nov. 15, 1893

Burial:
Kilmihil
Kilmihil
County Clare, Ireland
Plot: Sect 9, grv 2

Edit Virtual Cemetery info [?]

Created by: ProgBase
Record added: May 08, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 69500779"
Thanks - you are a veritable font of information!!!
Pat

Re: Claremorris parish records

MargaretChristine_H — 2013-05-14 16:02:37Z

Did you get any results on Healy.My g.grandfather Patrick John Healy was born in Hollymount 2/2/1839 to Michael Healy -wife not known.Would appreciate any relevant info.
Thanks Chris Hoyle

Re: Cleary, Melican, Hapnick, Flanery

PatBrooks1961 — 2013-05-14 00:19:46Z

Again, I owe you for the detailed information. I was able to locate Crossboyne Parish on Google Earth - it was fascinating to see where my family (probably) once lived. As I'm not currently subscribed to Ancestry, I can only communicate with you through this board - I apologise for that. For the same financial reasons, I can't purchase the tokens needed to obtain the parish records at this time, but rest assured I've kept all the information and I will pursue the leads you've furnished as soon as I possibly can.
As for Martin Melican's death certificate, I'll attach a copy to this correspondence. Mary is listed as having provided the information but, as you say, the actual spelling may have been someone's phonetic transcription of what she told them. As you can see, the surname was spelled Melligan here, and I have documents also with the spelling as Milligan and Milligen. I've also put out feelers, as it were, on the Mayo Genealogy Group page on Facebook. If you are on Facebook, it would be very interesting to communicate with you through there.
Thank you again, Dave, I appreciate your help more than I can say!
Pat Brooks

Re: Cleary, Melican, Hapnick, Flanery

DaveBoylan — 2013-05-13 01:34:31Z

Hello PatBrooks1961,

Many thanks for your kind reply, which I look at as payment in full.

I too had wondered why there was not a baptism record for Mary Cleary. It may be that the Crossboyne & Tagheen Catholic registers are difficult to read in places, or portions have been damaged over the years. Or it may be that the IFHF has not yet transcribed all the parish registers to date. If you can, order the Crossboyne & Tagheen registers from the Family History Center, on microfilm number 1279211, so that you can have a look. Perhaps you may find other information about the Cleary family that the IFHF had missed.

Concerning Martin Melican’s mother Kate Hapnick, I can think of one surname this may pertain to, though of course I could be wrong about it. The name is Hapney (pronounced Hayp-nee), which is a derivation of Halfpenny. Again, this is only a guess and I could be wrong about what Kate’s maiden name could have been.

Do you know for sure if Mary Cleary filled out the death record for Martin, or was it the local registrar or doctor who wrote down the information? If the registrar or doctor, Mary may have told them what Kate’s maiden name was, but they (the registrar or doctor), unaccustomed to Mary’s particular Irish accent, may have heard the name as “Hapnick.”

Also, do you know if Martin Melican had any brothers or sisters who also came to the United States? If so, try to find their individual death records, as their death records may also mention who their father and mother were, and where they were from in Ireland. In addition, the birth or death records of any children of Martin’s brothers of sisters may also tell you at least where in Ireland your particular branch of the Melican family came from.

While Griffiths Valuation only shows one entry for a Martin Melican, this surname with this spelling was most numerous in County Clare, which means it’s possible that Martin was from County Clare rather than from County Waterford. Griffiths Valuation also shows one instance of the surname in County Antrim, and one instance in County Tyrone. See below for the Griffiths Valuation index for the surname Melican:

Occupier Surname, Occupier Forename, County, Parish

MELICAN ROBERT ANTRIM KIRKINRIOLA

MELICAN PATRICK CLARE KILLADYSERT

MELICAN SINON CLARE KILLADYSERT

MELICAN PATRICK CLARE KILLADYSERT

MELICAN PATRICK CLARE KILMIHIL

MELICAN PATRICK CLARE KILMIHIL

MELICAN DENIS CLARE KILMIHIL

MELICAN PATRICK CLARE MOYARTA

MELICAN PATRICK CLARE MOYARTA

MELICAN JOHN CLARE KILRUSH

MELICAN JOHN CLARE KILFINTINAN

MELICAN JOHN CLARE KILFINTINAN

MELICAN MARGARET TYRONE DESERTCREAT

MELICAN MARTIN WATERFORD MOTHEL

MELICAN MARY WATERFORD MOTHEL
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One of the variant spellings of the surname is Meligan, which is also found in Griffiths Valuation, but less frequently than Melican. This spelling of the surname is found in Cork, Down, as well as Waterford:

Occupier Surname, Occupier Forename, County, Parish

MELIGAN CORNELIUS CORK INISHANNON

MELIGAN THOMAS CORK KINURE

MELIGAN FRANCIS DOWN DROMARA

MELIGAN THOMAS WATERFORD KILWATERMOY

MELIGAN JOHN WATERFORD SESKINAN
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Other spellings for the surname are Mellican, Melligan, Melligan.

Please see below:

Occupier Surname, Occupier Forename, County, Parish

MELLICAN JOHN CLARE DRUMCLIFF

MELLICAN HENRY LONDONDERRY MAGHERA

MELLICAN HENRY LONDONDERRY MAGHERA

MELLICAN WILLIAM LONDONDERRY KILCRONAGHAN

AND

MELLIGAN WILLIAM ANTRIM CONNOR

MELLIGAN JAMES ANTRIM ANTRIM

MELLIGAN JAMES ANTRIM ANTRIM

MELLIGAN JAMES ANTRIM ANTRIM

MELLIGAN SAMUEL ANTRIM DONEGORE

MELLIGAN MARY GALWAY LICKMOLASSY

MELLIGAN JOSEPH LONDONDERRY LISSAN

MELLIGAN JANE LONDONDERRY DESERTLYN

MELLIGAN JOHN SLIGO ST JOHN

MELLIGAN JAMES WATERFORD LISMORE & MOCOLLOP

MELLIGAN WILLIAM WATERFORD LISMORE & MOCOLLOP

MELLIGAN LAURENCE WATERFORD LISMORE & MOCOLLOP

MELLIGAN MARY WATERFORD LISMORE & MOCOLLOP

MELLIGAN MARY WATERFORD LISMORE & MOCOLLOP

MELLIGAN MARY WATERFORD LISMORE & MOCOLLOP

MELLIGAN JAMES DONEGAL INVER
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The most common for the spelling of the surname that I found however, was Milligan. There are several pages of this spelling of the surname, too many to list here. None of those with the Milligan surname, unfortunately, has the first name of Martin.

As noted in the first reply Griffiths Valuation was enumerated in the 32 counties of Ireland between 1847 and 1864. But, there was an earlier property tax enumeration conducted in Ireland between the years 1823 and 1837. This enumeration has come to be known as the Tithe Applotment Books. You can learn more about the Tithe Applotment Books at the National Archives of Ireland website link at: http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/h...

You access the indexes as well as copies of the original Tithe records for free from the above mentioned National Archives website link. In searching the Tithe Applotment Books, I found two entries for a Martin Melican, both recorded in the townland of Cloonreddan, Civil parish of Kilmacduane, County Clare, in the year 1825. Both entries pertain to the same Martin Melican. You can view the index at: http://tinyurl.com/c4v4y65

You can also view a copy of the original hand-written Tithe Applotment Book entry for Martin Melican. Though listed twice in the index, Martin is only listed once on the Tithe’s page, which is page 11. Please see:
http://tinyurl.com/bmv6z8v

If in your further research you uncover anything new about your Cleary and Melican ancestors, I would very much appreciate learning what you have found.

Best Wishes, and once again thank you for your generous reply. It is very much appreciated

Kind Regards,

Dave

Re: Cleary, Melican, Hapnick, Flanery

PatBrooks1961 — 2013-05-12 13:13:55Z

Mr. Boylan~~
How can I possibly thank you for the research you've put into my query? !!!!! This information means more to me than you can possibly know - I have been intrigued about my Gr. Grandmother's parentage since my early teens and it was my interest in her heritage that spurred my lifelong passion for genealogy. That you went through the trouble to conduct such extensive research free of charge is incredible and I owe you tremendously!! I have little doubt that the the Bridget and Patrick you found are, indeed, my Mary's parents - I know we cannot be absolutely certain but they are, by far, the most likely candidates. I am at a loss as to why Mary's baptism wasn't listed, and it occurred to me that, because they were Catholic and Catholics have several baptismal names, Margaret could actually have been Mary, except that would have made her considerably older than I thought. The only documentation I have of her age, though, if from censuses, and we all know how inaccurate they are regarding age & spelling.
As far as Martin Melican, I will have to look further, as he may, indeed, have been from Waterford. The family story is that Mary and Martin met on the ship to America, so they need not have been from the same area in Ireland. It was also commonly believed in the family that he was Scottish, although censuses list his nation of birth as Ireland. The maiden name of his mother, Hapnick, was taken from his death certificate, which was filled out by Mary, his widow, and there is no way to know how accurate that was. Can you think of any surname resembling Hapnick that she may have mistaken it for?
Is there anything - anything! - that I can do to repay you for the information you've given?? Thank you again, very very much!!

Re: Cleary, Melican, Hapnick, Flanery

DaveBoylan — 2013-05-11 17:22:28Z

Hello PatBrooks1961,

I located the marriage index for a Patrick Cleary and Bridget Flannery at the Irish Family History Foundation (IFHF) website for County Mayo, showing the couple were married in the Crossboyne & Tagheen Roman Catholic Church in 1838. This index could possible refer to the marriage of your Mary Cleary’s parents.

The index is below:

1 match for the search criteria: Cleary Patrick 1838 Parish: CROSSBOYNE & TAGHEEN RC PARISH (RC)

Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Mayo
Surname: Cleary
First Name: Patrick
Spouse's Surname: Flannery
Spouse's First Name: Bridget
Father's Surname:
Father's First Name:
Mother's Surname:
Mother's First Name:

Year: 1838

Parish/District: Parish: CROSSBOYNE & TAGHEEN RC PARISH (RC)
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The IFHF homepage can be found at: http://www.rootsireland.ie/

Before accessing indexes at the IFHF you’ll first have to register. Registration is free. You’ll also be able to access the marriage index for Patrick and Bridget that I did for free, but you will be charged to obtain a transcription of the record from the IFHF. You’ll have to purchase credits with a credit card to obtain the transcription. The IFHF website has more information about purchasing credits for baptism, as well as birth, marriage, and death or burial transcriptions at: http://www.rootsireland.ie/index.php?id=78

One big advantage of ordering records from the IFHF is that as soon as credit card information is processed, the record is sent to your computer, so that you don’t have to wait very long to view it.

Next I looked for, but unfortunately did not find a baptism index for Mary Cleary at the IFHF website, but did uncover the baptism indexes for two more children of Patrick and Bridget. These baptisms are for Margaret Cleary (1841); and Patrick Cleary (1853). In the heading for Margaret’s baptism you’ll see in parenthesis “plus variants.” This means that one of the surnames in the transcription will likely be spelled a little differently than it is spelled in the index. For example, the transcription may have Patrick’s surname spelled as Clary, or Bridget’s maiden name spelled as Flanery or maybe Flannry. You’ll also notice that in both the baptism indexes below, Patrick’s surname of Cleary is not present. This is because it is likely that the original baptism records for the two children didn’t include his surname either, as it would have been understood that his surname, like his children’s surnames, was also Cleary.

The baptism indexes follow:

1 match for the search criteria: Cleary (plus variants) Margaret 1841 Parish: CROSSBOYNE & TAGHEEN RC PARISH (RC)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Mayo
Surname: Cleary
First Name: Margaret
Father's Surname:
Father's First Name: Patrick
Mother's Surname: Flannery
Mother's First Name: Bridget

Year: 1841

Parish/District: CROSSBOYNE & TAGHEEN RC PARISH (RC)
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1 match for the search criteria: Cleary Patrick 1853 Parish: CROSSBOYNE & TAGHEEN RC PARISH (RC)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Mayo
Surname: Cleary
First Name: Patrick
Father's Surname:
Father's First Name: Patrick
Mother's Surname: Flannery
Mother's First Name: Bridget

Year: 1853

Parish/District: CROSSBOYNE & TAGHEEN RC PARISH (RC)
____

Information at the IFHF website shows that the Crossboyne & Tagheen Catholic parish baptisms commence in the year 1825, while marriages for the parish begin in 1791. This means that if Patrick Cleary and Bridget Flannery were born in the parish, there will likely not be baptisms for them, as they would have been born and baptized before the Crossboyne & Tagheen parish registers for the church begin.

To view a Catholic Parish map for County Mayo, go to the Irish Times website link at:
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/ma...

I had a difficult time in locating the Catholic parish of Crossboyne & Tagheen on this map. The name of theparish on the map is spelled “Crossboyne & Taugheen.” But this parish is situated in the lower right portion of the map, on the border with County Galway and County Roscommon. To the right of the parish of Crossboyne & Taugheen are the parishes of Kilcolman and Kilvine. To the left of Crossboyne & Taugheen is the parish of Kilcommon & Robeen. Just above Crossboyne & Taugheen is the Catholic parish of Mayo Abbey.

The Catholic parish of Crossboyne & Tagheen/Taugheen was located in the Civil Parish of Crossboyne. Knowing this, I wanted to see if I could find Patrick Cleary in an Irish property tax record known as Griffiths Valuation. I didn’t know if Patrick and his family had lived in Crossboyne, or perhaps in a nearby townland. I was hoping I would find out if I could locate Patrick in Griffiths Valuation.

Griffiths Valuation, was enumerated in the 32 counties of Ireland between 1847 and 1864. The valuation for Civil Parish of Crossboyne, County Mayo, was completed by the year 1856.

Unlike a census, Griffiths Valuation did not enumerate family members. Those named in the valuation were the people who leased property. Each person who paid to lease the property was called an “Occupier.” The other person listed in Griffiths Valuation was the person who owned the property, or who worked as the middleman for the owner. This person was called the “Immediate Lessor.”

You can access Griffiths Valuation transcriptions and original copies for free at the askaboutireland website link at: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml

I found a Patrick Cleary in Griffiths Valuation living in the townland of Curraghadooey, Civil Parish of Crossboyne, County Mayo. This entry for Patrick may refer to your Mary Clear’s father.

A transcription of Griffiths Valuation for Patrick Cleary is below:

No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 13a
Civil Parish: Crossboyne
Townland: Curraghadooey
Occupier: Patrick Cleary
Immediate Lessor: George Vasey
Description of Tenement: Land, house, and offices
Area of Land: 16 Acres, 1 Rood, 39 Perches:
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 6 Pounds, 15 Shillings
Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 10 Shillings
Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 7 Pounds, 5 Shillings
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Griffiths Valuation shows that Patrick Cleary leased over 16 acres of land, a house, and “offices,” from an Immediate Lessor” name George Vasey. Because he leased several acres of land, you can surmise that Patrick was a farmer. The land was valued at 6 Pounds and 15 Shillings, while the house and offices were valued at 10 Shillings. The total valuation for Patrick’s lease was 7 Pounds and 5 Shillings. He would have paid a percentage of this value toward the tax. An “office” in a Griffiths Valuation record could be any type of outbuilding, such as a barn, stable, blacksmith shop, etc. The map number at the top of the valuation entry (13a), refers to the location of Patrick’s lease in Curraghadooey on an Ordnance Survey map from the time period. You can access this map from the index for Patrick Cleary at the Ask About Ireland website link. The Ordnance Survey Map is superimposed over a modern day map, so that you can compare the two maps.

To view a Google Map of Crossboyne, go to: http://tinyurl.com/c8225gz

On the map you’ll see the letter A pointing to Crossboyne. On the upper right of the page, off the map, you’ll see a prompt called “Directions,” highlighted in blue. Click on Directions and a drop-down box labeled A will appear. In the A box type in Curraghadooey, Mayo, Ireland, and then click on “Get Directions.” The next map that appears shows that the distance from Crossboyne to Curraghadooey, depending on the route taken, is 3.5 kilometers to 4 kilometers. This equals 2.2 to 2.5 miles.

I found a description of Crossboyne from the 1837 edition of Lewis’s Topographical Dictionary of Ireland. You can access the Topographical Dictionary for free from the Library Ireland website link at:
http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/index.php

This description from the Topographical Dictionary was written a year before Patrick Cleary and Bridget Flannery were married.

The description follows:

CROSSBOYNE, a parish, in the barony of CLANMORRIS, county of MAYO, and province of CONNAUGHT, 2 miles (S. E.) from Claremorris, on the road to Tuam; containing 5765 inhabitants. This parish comprises 9277 statute acres, as applotted under the tithe act, and valued at £6058 per annum. The land is good, and agriculture is gradually improving on the lands of the gentry, although modern implements are not generally adopted by the farmers; there is plenty of bog for fuel, and limestone is also found here. The surrounding scenery is richly diversified with wood and water; there are several delightful demesnes, of which the principal are Castlemagarett, the seat of Lord Oranmore, situated in a noble domain enriched with excellent timber; Brookhill, the residence of J. Lambert, Esq.; Farm-hill, of E. D. Gonne Bell, Esq.; Prospect, of F. Crean, Esq.; and the residence of the Rev. W. Crofton, rector. The village of Ballindine, or Ballindangan, in this parish, is described under its own head.

The living is a vicarage, in the diocese of Tuam, and in the patronage of the Archbishop; the rectory is partly appropriate to the dean of Tuam and the prebendary of Killabegs in the cathedral of Tuam, and partly impropriate in S. Lindsey Bucknall, Esq. The tithes amount to £307. 1. 5 ½., of which £62. 6. 1 ½. is payable to the impropriator, £209. 18. 4 ¾. to the incumbent, and the remainder to the dean and prebendary. The glebe-house was erected by aid of a gift of £100, and a loan of £300, in 1822, from the late Board of First Fruits: the glebe comprises four acres. The church is a plain old building with a chancel and a new tower, which was erected by aid of a loan of £350 in 1819, from the same Board; the Ecclesiastical Commissioners have recently granted £268 for its repair.

In the R. C. divisions this parish is the head of two unions or districts, called Crossboyne and Ballindangan; the former comprises part of the parish of Crossboyne and the entire of that of Taugheen, and contains three chapels, one of which is a large slated building at Crossboyne; in the Ballindangan district are two chapels, one in the village of that name, and the other at Drymills. Lord Oranmore gives £10 per ann. towards the support of a grammar school; and his lady has a school at Ballindangan, towards which she allows £15 per annum, where the children are taught needlework and the manufacture of straw-plat. The Rev. Mr. Crofton also supports a school in connection with the Tuam Diocesan Society. The old fortress of Castlemagarrett is in ruins; in the demesne of Brookhill are several Druidical or Danish remains, and a choice collection of plants. In Crossboyne churchyard there are many ancient monuments of a rude character; and near Prospect House is a chalybeate spring, the water of which is valuable as a tonic.
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I can’t be 100 percent sure that the IFHF indexes refer to your Cleary and Flannery ancestors, or that the Griffiths Valuation entry refers to your Patrick Cleary, but there is the possibility that they do.

If you come to the conclusion that your Cleary and Flannery ancestors are from Curraghadooey, Crossboyne, County Mayo, you can view the existing parish registers for Crossboyne & Tagheen, as the Latter Day Saints (LDS), have filmed these registers.

Below is information and microfilm number for the Crossboyne & Taugheen Catholic Parish registers:

Parochial registers of Crossboyne and Tagheen , 1791-1913.

Authors: Catholic Church. Parish of Crossboyne and Tagheen (Mayo) (Main Author)

Format: Manuscript/Manuscript on Film
Language: English
Publication: Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1984
Physical: on 1 microfilm reel ; 16 mm.
References: (Has supplement) Crossboyne & Tagheen Parish baptisms

Notes:
Microfilm of original records at Tuam, Co. Galway.

Some writing is faded and illegible.

The Catholic parish of Crossboyne includes part of the civil parish of Crossboyne and all of the civil parish of Tagheen. There are three chapels.

Parochial registers, baptisms, 1825-1913; marriages, 1791-1876.

Family History Library BRITISH Film

1279211 Items 5 - 8
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The Crossboyne & Tagheen Catholic registers of baptisms and marriages can be found on LDS microfilm number 1279211. You can order this film from your local Family History Center. Or, if you don’t have a Family History Center nearby, check with your local public library, as some public libraries accept LDS films.

Next I wanted to see if any Flannerys were living in the Civil Parish of Crossboyne. I located three Flannerys in the parish. Two of these were Luke Flannery and John Flannery, leasing property in the townland of Ballyglass. The third Flannery was Michael, who leased property in the townland of Woodstock.

The Griffiths Valuation entry for Luke Flannery below shows he leased over 30 acres of land in common with three other men in Ballyglass. These men were Martin Hannon, Christopher Hannon, and William Kenna. The Immediate Lessor was Charles Blake. The valuation for Luke’s portion of the land, at Map Reference No. 9d, was 3 Pounds and 14 Shillings. Luke’s house was valued at 2 Shillings. His total valuation for the house and his section of the land came to 3 Pounds and 16 Shillings. Luke would not have paid a tax on this property as only those properties valued over 5 Pounds were taxed.

The valuation for Luke Flannery is below:

No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 9d
Civil Parish: Crossboyne
Townland: Ballyglass
Occupiers: Martin Hannon, Christopher Hannon, William Kenna, Luke Flannery
Immediate Lessor: Charles Blake
Description of Tenement: Land and house
Area of Land: 30 Acres, 3 Roods, 5 Perches
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land for Luke Flannery: 3 Pounds, 14 Shillings
Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 2 Shillings
Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 3 Pounds, 16 Shillings
____

Griffiths Valuation also shows that at Map Reference No. 10a, John Flannery and Miles Hannon leased in common over 18 acres of land from Charkes Blake. John’s portion of the land was valued at 4 Pounds and 15 Shillings, while his house and “offices were valued at 5 Shillings. His total valuation was 5 Pounds:

No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 10a
Civil Parish: Crossboyne
Townland: Ballyglass
Occupiers: John Flannery, Miles Hannon
Immediate Lessor: Charles Blake
Description of Tenement: Land, house, & offices
Area of Land: 18 Acres, 3 Roods, 8 Perches
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land for John Flannery: 4 Pounds, 15 Shillings
Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 5 Shillings
Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 5 Pounds
____

Below is the Griffiths Valuation entry for Michael Flannery, who leased property from Dominick E. Browne in the townland of Woodstock (at Map Reference No. 13a), Civil Parish of Crossboyne. Michael leased over 6 acres of land valued at 3 Pounds and 3 Shillings, while his house was valued at 5 Shillings. The total valuation for Michael Flannery’s lease was 3 Pounds and 8 Shillings

No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 13a
Civil Parish: Crossboyne
Townland: Woodstock
Occupier: Michael Flannery
Immediate Lessor: Dominick E. Browne
Description of Tenement: Land and house
Area of Land: 6 Acres, 1 Rood, 7 Perches,
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 3 Pounds, 3 Shillings
Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 5 Shillings
Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 3 Pounds, 8 Shillings
____

Luke, John, and Michael Flannery may have been related to John Cleary’s wife Bridget. One of the Flannerys may have been Bridget’s father.

MARTIN MELICAN

Next I looked for the baptism index for a Martin Melican (and variant surname spellings), son of Martin Melican and Kate/Catherine Hapnick, but didn’t find it at the IFHF website for any of the member counties.

I located only one Martin Melican in Griffiths Valuation, leasing property in the townland of Curraghphilipeen, Civil Parish of Mothel, County Waterford. The valuation was completed by the year 1850.

A transcription of the Griffiths Valuation entry for Martin Melican, from the Ask About Ireland website link, is below:

No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 1
Civil Parish: Mothel
Townland: Curraghphilipeen
Occupier: Martin Melican
Immediate Lessor: Earl of Huntingdon
Description of Tenement: House, offices, & land
Area of Land: 53 Acres, 2 Roods, 18 Perches:
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 36 Pounds, 10 Shillings
Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 4 Pounds, 10 Shillings
Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 41 Pounds
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Griffiths Valuation shows that Martin Melican leased over 53 acres of land from the Earl of Huntingdon in the townland of Curraghphilipeen. The land was valued at 36 Pounds and 10 Shillings. Martin’s house and outbuildings were valued at 4 Pounds and 10 Shillings. The value of the buildings that Martin leased is an indication that his house may have been of considerable size. The total valuation for Martin Melican’s property was 41 Pounds.

This entry may refer to your Martin Melican’s father, but it is impossible to prove that just from the Griffiths Valuation entry alone. A stronger case could be made that the Griffiths Valuation entry refers to your Martin’s father if you discover that he came from County Waterford.

I couldn’t find any records in Ireland for the surname Hapnick. Are you sure that Hapnick was Kate Melican’s maiden name?

Best of luck with your research.

Dave Boylan

Re: Mayo or Meath - Where is Emblagh Carlangstown

ellenbohan_1 — 2013-05-10 02:42:57Z

The obit hint was a good one unfortunately townland/county references were not included in any of the obits. It would seem that the surviving brothers had worked on farms & have been hired out. I'm puzzled by the ship's entry Emblagh Carlangstown Co Mayo. Emblagh is most likely a typo for Emlagh. Can't decipher Carlangstown. Hoping for some suggestions from Co Mayo or Co Meath contributors.

Re: Mayo or Meath - Where is Emblagh Carlangstown

DianeCulhane46 — 2013-05-09 20:47:51Z

According to seanruad.com, there's an Emlagh townland in Kilgeever, Mayo, and in Emlagh, Meath. Lots of possible variants on Carlangstown. You might look for the family in the 1911 census, or see if the obits for Catherine and her American siblings mention where their Irish siblings lived.

Diane

Re: Mayo or Meath - Where is Emblagh Carlangstown

johnloughney1 — 2013-05-09 19:46:46Z

Haven't heard of Carlangstown, but there is Carlanstown in Meath:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Carlanstown&ie=UTF-8&...

Mayo or Meath - Where is Emblagh Carlangstown

ellenbohan_1 — 2013-05-09 19:34:27Z

Need some help with an entry on ship's passenger list. Found an entry for my gr-aunt Catherine Duffy returning from a visit to Ireland in October 1925. The Franconia's passenger list (image 44 line 12) gave Irish contact as her brother John Duffy, Emblagh, Carlangstown, Co Mayo. Catherine & John were originally from Co Meath; while Catherine and 3 other siblings settled in USA, John & 3 other siblings remained in Ireland but might have moved from Co Meath. Can't seem to find Emblagh, Carlangstown in Co Mayo - could the ship's crew have made a mistake? Any help and all suggestions welcomed - haven't been able to locate the siblings who remained in Ireland.

Re: O'Regans/Noon from Ballyhaunis and Lavalleyroe (sp?), late 1700s - early 1800s

nicola_meehan — 2013-05-08 22:50:01Z

Hi Jim,

I've just sent you an email on this as it appears we share the same distant ancestor (Fr. O’Regan, the 3rd Bishop of Chicago). My father is from Ballyhaunis and my great grandmother is Delia ‘Bridget’ Meehan (nee Regan).

I have lots of information including maps and personal letters/correspondance from the O'Regans from Lavalleyroe and Ballyhaunis, and my family are still living in the area today.

Please email me at nicola.meehan@hp.com to get more details and exchange information.

Thanks, Nicola

Re: Claremorris parish records

TConroy73 — 2013-05-08 00:04:00Z

Here is a Ballindine record that may be one of your relatives:

BIRTH 2 July 1875, NAME OF CHILD Bernard ,FATHER Edmond Kilkenny, MOTHER Honor Healy (?), PLACE OF BIRTH Cloonmore, DATE BIRTH REGISTERED 16 July 1875, FAMILY HISTORY LIBRARY MICROFILM # 255937 PG# 143

Re: Molloy

Schwermann — 2013-05-07 15:02:30Z

Did Ellen/Helen have a daughter named Margaret? Born in Helmetta, NJ? She's my great grandmother & I've found a first name for her mother which is Helen. Margaret's father was James Molloy he married Catherine McLaughlin & sent Margaret & her brother James to live with her cousin Frank & Bridgette McLaughlin in 1900 to Providence, RI. Any of this ringing a bell?

Loftus Re: Killala/Lacken Families

johnloughney1 — 2013-05-04 21:07:34Z

Aideen,

If you are still following this, let me know. I've been looking into more 'ancient' history, and Loftus / Loughney all come from the same Irish name, O'Lachtna - and I have compiled a good deal on this.

Re: Molloy

Schwermann — 2013-05-04 18:25:07Z

Idk if there's a connection. My great grandmother was Margaret Molloy born in Helmetta, NJ in 1889 her stepmother was Catherine McLaughlin she married James Molloy from Trenton, NJ or Dublin, Ireland..Margaret eventually lived as a boarder in Catherine's cousin Frank' home in Providence, RI..I'm looking for Margaret's mothers maiden name, her first name was Helen

Re: McAndrew-McDonnell marriage

pdunn56 — 2013-05-03 22:14:48Z

Additional info just obtained on death certificate of Anna McDonnell McAndrew. Her parent's names were Patrick McDonnell and Mary Walsh both born in Ireland possibly around Ballycastle area of Mayo

Crossmolina

2013-04-28 19:51:40Z

Hi-
I have a Crossmolina database from the catholic church.
Do you know when your McHale was born? The records cover 1831-1885 ish. Please respond to my email address. Diane

Re: Claremorris parish records

Murph_ — 2013-04-26 19:56:56Z

Joe, real interesting. Thanks for the maps info, I have been there and still have some cousins in the area. I am searching in the Killaser area but have not known about Kilgarvin, I will check it out and feel free to contact if you run across more.

CARLON is very interesting as I found they, or thier parents (It is my GMthrs family) were from Gallen Co. Mayo. They went to England, sadly I did not know much from them before they passed but She was From Haydock, England, outside liverpool.

She is buried here in MI where I live, if you have any info. on the CARLON/OCarolan I would be interested in anything you have from them but the spelling you note is a tad off, usually not a big deal but might be entirely different families

Murph10

Re: John Sweeney and Mary Donovan

sunnyshine06 — 2013-04-25 14:46:31Z

Hi Lynn, it's Joanne here! Mum and I had been getting back into family tree but with all that's been going on we have been rather lapse, but hope to get back into it as soon as Sharon settled into her new place. Will look at your info and will collate it all. Love to all x x

Can help with Kilcummin, Kilfian, Lacken & Rathreagh parishes

johnloughney1 — 2013-04-25 05:41:42Z

Hi all,

Just a friendly note that I'm currently administering Kilcummin, Kilfian, Lackan & Rathreagh parishes on Ireland Reaching out: http://www.irelandxo.com/ - feel free to visit there, or if you post queries with any of the parishes in the subject line, I'll try my best to help out.

John

Re: John Sweeney and Mary Donovan

LynnM747 — 2013-04-25 04:25:39Z

Dave
I read with great interest you post and have replied if you would like to see my reply in the thread. cheers Lynn

Re: John Sweeney and Mary Donovan

LynnM747 — 2013-04-25 04:23:28Z

Hi
I am researching the Sweeney clan and I believe John Sweeney and Mary Donovan are my ancestors. I have found census record for them from 1881 in Lancashire there is no mention of a Bridget Sweeney but oldest child is john aged five in 1881 born in East India, I believe John Sweeney was in the military but have not found evidence of this as yet.
View Updates 174 Back Cross Street John Sweeny Head Married 40 abt 1841 Male Pensioner add add Ireland
View Updates 174 Back Cross Street Mary Sweeny Wife Married 25 abt 1856 Female add add Ireland
View Updates 174 Back Cross Street John Sweeny Son 5 abt 1876 Male East Indies add add
View Updates 174 Back Cross Street Mary Sweeny Daughter 3 abt 1878 Female At Sea add add
View Updates 174 Back Cross Street James Sweeny Son add Male add add England
View Updates 174 Back Cross Street James Sweeny Brother Married 27 abt 1854 Male Labourer add add England
View Updates 174 Back Cross Street Miney Sweeny Married 24 abt 1857 Female add add Ireland
View Updates 174 Back Cross Street Catherine Sweeny 4 abt 1877 Female add add Ireland

Re: Ballamolee, Mayo?

MajellaP — 2013-04-25 01:22:54Z

Thanks Diane. I've located around 6 variations in the spelling... including Reiny, Reinney... Keeps the brain alert :-) Majella

Re: Knockalough townland

LindaEgan82 — 2013-04-22 18:23:52Z

There is a community in Clare, near the village of Kilmihil, that is known as Knockalough. There is also a lake by that name in the area. I have been there and have relatives in the area. Linda Egan

Re: Ballamolee, Mayo?

DianeCulhane46 — 2013-04-22 12:49:40Z

I can't find any Ballamolee townland in Mayo, but there is a Ballymoneen. Also, Rayney a variant of Rainey, but none in Mayo Griffith's entries.

Diane

Ballamolee, Mayo?

MajellaP — 2013-04-22 11:49:33Z

I have a Thomas RAYNEY born in 'Ballamolee, Mayo' in 1835. I can't find Ballamolee. Can anyone assist with the correct spelling, or advise if the location name has changed, please? Thanks, Majella

Re: Cleary, Melican, Hapnick, Flanery

DianeCulhane46 — 2013-04-22 00:12:59Z

There are at least 2 routes you could take. One is to go to rootsireland.ie and look for the baptisms of Mary and Martin. Many church records from the 1850s survive. If that produces no results, go to the Griffith's index on failteromhat.com and look for civil parishes that had both Clearys and Flannerys. Griffith's was done about the time Mary and Martin were born, so their fathers (or grandfathers or uncles) were probably listed. Convert the civil parishes to Catholic and check the LDS films for the baptisms. Unfortunately, the index doesn't show any Hapnick, so you'll have to concentrate on Melican for that pair. It can be a variant for Molohan, but start with Melican, of which there aren't many. Again, get the films and look for Martin as a father and any Kate as mother. With luck, though, you'll find them on rootsireland.ie.

Re: Cleary, Melican, Hapnick, Flanery

PatBrooks1961 — 2013-04-21 22:00:45Z

My closest guess is sometime in the early 1850's, judging by the ages listed on censuses.

Re: Cleary, Melican, Hapnick, Flanery

DianeCulhane46 — 2013-04-21 21:23:21Z

What are the approximate birth years for Mary and Martin?

Diane

Cleary, Melican, Hapnick, Flanery

PatBrooks1961 — 2013-04-21 21:05:55Z

My Great-Grandmother was Irish-Catholic, maiden name Mary Cleary (Clery, Clary). She told her children & grandchildren she was originally from Co. Mayo, and censuses list her date of arrival in the U.S. as 1870. She married Martin Melican (Millican, Milligan), also listing his date of arrival as 1870 and his country of origin on censuses as Ireland, but the family was told he was Scottish. From the death certificates of these two individuals, I learned that Mary's parents were Patrick Cleary and Bridget Flanery, and Martin's parents were Martin Melican and Kate Hapnick. Mary and Martin married in Chicago in 1874 and lived the rest of their lives there. i need help in tracing them to Ireland, as I have found several individuals with those names and cannot know which are my ancestors. Any help at all would be greatly appreciated.