Bohan, Roche, Mooney, Nicholson
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Re: Bohan, Roche, Mooney, Nicholson
 Eilis_OHara
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Posted: 1 Jun 2009 2:05PM GMT |
Classification: Query
Hi Bowenp165,
Researching in Ireland is really no different than researching in the US. You need the emigrant's name, date of birth, parents names and birthplace. The birthplace is the town/townland, civil parish and county. There's a list of the names of all the towns and townlands in Counties Roscommon and Mayo at the Ireland Townland Database http://www.seanruad.com and select Roscommon and Mayo from the drop down menu to see the names of the towns and townlands in each.
Civil registration, i.e. vital records didn't start in Ireland until 1864 so your ancestors were born before civil registration of births started in Ireland. There are also no census records in Ireland surviving before 1901.
If civil registration, i.e. vital records hadn't started in an area in the US you would need to search parish records for the person's birthplace there for their baptismal records. It's the same in Ireland. Here's a link to the Roman Catholic parish maps in Co. Roscommon, click on each parish on the maps and you'll see the years covered in the records and where they can be searched. Most of them are available on order through your nearest LDS Family History Centre.
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/ro...
And Mayo:
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/ma...
One difficulty here in Ireland which is also true in the US is that many church parish records often don't go back far enough to include the emigrant's baptism. The reason you need to find the emigrant's birthplace in County Roscommon or County Mayo is to then determine if the church parish records survive for that birthplace back to their birth year. If they don't you won't find a baptismal record for them.
For example, in County Roscommon Ballagh, Frenchpark, Killglass, Tarmonbarry and Tulsk Roman Catholic records don't begin until 1865, Moore doesn't begin until 1872.
In County Mayo, Achill is 1868, Ardagh is 1866, Attymass is 1875, Ballycroy 1885, Burrishoole 1872, Geesala 1883, Kilcommon Erris 1883, Kilgarvin 1870, Kilmoremoy 1875, Moygownagh 1877, Templemore 1888, and Toomore 1871.
If you haven't done so yet you should get their church marriage record. Many churches abroad required proof of the emigrant's baptism from the parish in Ireland and that may be in the church records.
Check to see who the sponsors for the marriage were, they may be relations from home whose civil and church records there may include the town/townland of birth.
Children's baptismal records from the church may include where their parents were born in County Roscommon or Mayo. Again, sponsors for the children's baptisms may be relations from home and you may be able to find the town or townland of birth from their records.
The first papers or initial declaration of intent to become a US citizen was generally more detailed than the final citizenship papers. Those records were filed at the county courthouse in the county where the emigrant first submitted the papers. You need to look locally for his naturalisation records to find those first papers.
Also look at church death records, cemetery records, tombstones and wills. Often tombstones included the town/townland of birth. Many emigrants remembered their families in Ireland in their wills.
Regards.
Eilis O'Hara
Researching in Ireland is really no different than researching in the US. You need the emigrant's name, date of birth, parents names and birthplace. The birthplace is the town/townland, civil parish and county. There's a list of the names of all the towns and townlands in Counties Roscommon and Mayo at the Ireland Townland Database http://www.seanruad.com and select Roscommon and Mayo from the drop down menu to see the names of the towns and townlands in each.
Civil registration, i.e. vital records didn't start in Ireland until 1864 so your ancestors were born before civil registration of births started in Ireland. There are also no census records in Ireland surviving before 1901.
If civil registration, i.e. vital records hadn't started in an area in the US you would need to search parish records for the person's birthplace there for their baptismal records. It's the same in Ireland. Here's a link to the Roman Catholic parish maps in Co. Roscommon, click on each parish on the maps and you'll see the years covered in the records and where they can be searched. Most of them are available on order through your nearest LDS Family History Centre.
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/ro...
And Mayo:
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/ma...
One difficulty here in Ireland which is also true in the US is that many church parish records often don't go back far enough to include the emigrant's baptism. The reason you need to find the emigrant's birthplace in County Roscommon or County Mayo is to then determine if the church parish records survive for that birthplace back to their birth year. If they don't you won't find a baptismal record for them.
For example, in County Roscommon Ballagh, Frenchpark, Killglass, Tarmonbarry and Tulsk Roman Catholic records don't begin until 1865, Moore doesn't begin until 1872.
In County Mayo, Achill is 1868, Ardagh is 1866, Attymass is 1875, Ballycroy 1885, Burrishoole 1872, Geesala 1883, Kilcommon Erris 1883, Kilgarvin 1870, Kilmoremoy 1875, Moygownagh 1877, Templemore 1888, and Toomore 1871.
If you haven't done so yet you should get their church marriage record. Many churches abroad required proof of the emigrant's baptism from the parish in Ireland and that may be in the church records.
Check to see who the sponsors for the marriage were, they may be relations from home whose civil and church records there may include the town/townland of birth.
Children's baptismal records from the church may include where their parents were born in County Roscommon or Mayo. Again, sponsors for the children's baptisms may be relations from home and you may be able to find the town or townland of birth from their records.
The first papers or initial declaration of intent to become a US citizen was generally more detailed than the final citizenship papers. Those records were filed at the county courthouse in the county where the emigrant first submitted the papers. You need to look locally for his naturalisation records to find those first papers.
Also look at church death records, cemetery records, tombstones and wills. Often tombstones included the town/townland of birth. Many emigrants remembered their families in Ireland in their wills.
Regards.
Eilis O'Hara