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Re: Burke/Storen

Posted: 27 Jan 2013 6:52AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello Paul,

I’m not a descendant of the Burke and Storen families but I located the civil birth indexes for three children of Laurence Bourke and Bridget Storen at the Irish Family History Foundation (IFHF) website for County Limerick. As you will see later these births were recorded in a section of County Limerick close to the County Tipperary border. The civil birth indexes are for Catherine (1891); Hanoria (1893); and Mary Anne (1896). Unfortunately, I didn’t find the birth index for your grandmother Elizabeth.

All three births were recorded in Grean, Limerick, and are (CP), that is, Civil Parish records.

The birth indexes follow:


1 match for the search criteria: Bourke (plus variants) Catherine 1891 Parish: GREAN (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Limerick
Surname: Bourke
First Name: Catherine
Father's Surname: Bourke
Father's First Name: Laurence
Mother's Surname: Storan
Mother's First Name: Bridget

Year: 1891

Parish/District: GREAN (CP)
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1 match for the search criteria: Bourke (plus variants) Hanoria 1893 Parish: GREAN (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Limerick
Surname: Bourke
First Name: Hanoria
Father's Surname: Bourke
Father's First Name: Laurence
Mother's Surname: Storan
Mother's First Name: Bridget

Year: 1893

Parish/District: GREAN (CP)
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1 match for the search criteria: Bourke (plus variants) Mary Anne 1896 Parish: GREAN (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Limerick
Surname: Bourke
First Name: Mary Anne
Father's Surname: Bourke
Father's First Name: Laurence
Mother's Surname: Storan
Mother's First Name: Bridget

Year: 1896

Parish/District: GREAN (CP)
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The IFHF homepage can be found at: http://www.rootsireland.ie/

Before accessing indexes at the IFHF you’ll first have to register. Registration is free. You’ll be able to access the birth indexes that I did for free, but you will be charged to obtain the baptism transcriptions for the Bourke children. You’ll have to purchase a sufficient amount of credits with a credit card to obtain the transcriptions. The IFHF website will have more information about purchasing credits for baptism, as well as birth, marriage, and death or burial transcriptions.

Paul, the IFHF indexes use a Soundex-like system for surname spellings and variants, which means the names Bourke and Storan in the transcriptions, may not be spelled the same way as I have them in the indexes above. For instance, the transcriptions for the children’s mother Bridget, may have Storen, rather than Storan, for the spelling of her maiden name.

Grean is a County Limerick Civil Parish close by the border with County Tipperary South. You can see this on a Civil Parish map of Limerick and portions of South Tipperary at the Irish Times Civil Parish map found at: http://tinyurl.com/bfvl6sr

Once at the map you’ll see the whole of County Limerick in green. Go to the portion of the map that shows you where South Tipperary is located. Just above the word “South” you’ll see the number 126. This number represents the Civil Parish of Templebredon. Just above number 126 is the number 62. Hold your cursor over the number 62 and a pop-up will show you this is the Grean Civil Parish. Next, click on the 62. The next page will show you the names of the towns located within the Grean Civil parish, and will also show you a map of the area.

According to a book by Brian Mitchell called, “A Guide to Irish Parish Registers,” Catholics who lived in the Grean Civil Parishes attended one of two churches. These churches are in Pallasgren and Kilteeley, Limerick. You’ll see Pallasgreen as one of the names of the townlands on the page you just accessed from the Irish Times. Kilteely is not mentioned on this page however. But, your Burkes may have been baptized in either the Pallasgreen or Kilteeley Catholic Churches.

Concerning the Bourke children you can order all three IFHF birth transcriptions from one index, rather than three. To do this access the index just the way it is below. Do not include the first names of any of the children. In the First Name Box at the search engine, use the % sign, which acts as a wild card. Also, do not include years of the births in this index, which will look like this:


3 matches for the search criteria: Bourke (plus variants) % Parish: GREAN (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Limerick
Surname: Bourke
First Name: %
Father's Surname: Bourke
Father's First Name: Laurence
Mother's Surname: Storan
Mother's First Name: Bridget

Year:

Parish/District: GREAN (CP)
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The records for the “Bourke” children, pertain to civil records of birth, not baptism. If you would like to see if there may be baptism records for your Burkes, including your grandmother Elizabeth, contact Limerick Genealogy at: http://www.limerickgenealogy.com/

Limerick Genealogy will charge you for this service.

The records you purchase from the IFHF are transcriptions, not copies of the original birth records for the Bourke children. If you would like copies of the original birth records, you can send to the General Register Office (GRO) for them. The GRO is located in Roscommon Town, County Roscommon. For more information about purchasing civil birth, marriage, and death records, application forms, and the fees involved, go to the GRO website at: http://www.groireland.ie/

The birth record transcriptions from the IFHF or copies of the birth records from the GRO will tell you where the Bourke children were born.

As mentioned earlier, the Catholic Churches that served parishioners living in the Grean, Limerick Civil Parish, were located in Kilteely and Pallasgreen, County Limerick. To view a Google Map showing both Kilteely and Pallasgreen, go to: http://tinyurl.com/apvwx45

Once at the map go to the Zoom-in/Zoom-out gage in the upper left of the map. Zoom-out to almost half way down the gage. On the map you’ll notice the letter A pointing to Pallasgreen. From Pallasgreen head southwest down the Ballinagally Coologue Road. You’ll come to a road that branches off the Ballinagally Coologue Road, that goes into Kilteey

In the left margin of the page, off the map, you’ll see highlighted in blue the prompts for Directions, Search nearby, and more. Click on Directions. In the A box type in Ayle, South Tipperary, Ireland and then click on Get Directions. The next map image will show you the route, highlighted in blue, from Pallasgreen, Limerick, to Ayle, Tipperary. Depending on the route you take the distance from Pallasgreen to Aye is anywhere from 13 to 14 kilometers, or between 8 and 9 miles. You’ll notice on the map that Ayle is just on the border with County Limerick.

Next, go back to the Directions portion of the map. In the B box type in Drumwood, South Tipperary, and then click on Get Directions. The next map shows that the route from Ayle to Drumwood is almost two miles. Left-click on the letter A to generate a “Street view” thumb-nail photo of Ayle. Click on the photo to enlarge it, navigate the image 180 degrees, and you’ll then be able to take a virtual tour almost into Drumwood along the narrow Tipperary roads.

By locating Grean, Pallasgreen and Kilteely in Limerick, and Ayle and Drumwood, Tipperary, on the Google Maps, you can see that it would have been feasible for the Burke family to have lived in both County Limerick and County Tipperary.

In your post to the Ancestry.com message boards for County Tipperary, you had mentioned that you found Bridget Burke and her children in the 1911 census. I also found Bridget and three of her children in the 1901 census under the spelling Bourke, living in House No. 13, in Ayle, Drumwood, Tipperary. The census was found at the National Archives of Ireland website link at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

The 1901 census shows that 45 year old Bridget Bourke is the head of the family and a widow, born in County Tipperary. She is listed as a Catholic and an agricultural labourer who can read and write. Her three children in the household, all born in County Tipperary, are 10 year old Katie; 7 year old Nora; and 5 year old Mary Ann. Also in the household is a visitor, 52 year old Mary Sullivan, born in County Limerick. The census shows that Mary is employed as a domestic servant, and that she was single. Mary Sullivan is also in the 1911 census with Bridget and her daughter her daughter, Mary Ann Burke.

The census transcription from the National Archives follows:


1901 census of Ireland


Residents of a house 13 in Ayle (Drumwood, Tipperary)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language
Marital Status Specified Illnesses

Bourke Bridget 45 Female Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Tipperary Agricultural Labourer Read and write Widow
Bourke Katie 10 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Tipperary Scholar Read and write Not Married
Bourke Nora 7 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Tipperary Scholar Read and write Not Married
Bourke Mary Ann 5 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Tipperary Cannot read Not Married
Sullivan Mary 52 Female Visitor Roman Catholic Co Limerick Servant Domestic Cannot read Not Married
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To view a copy of the original 1901 census for Bridget and her family, go to the National Archives of Ireland link at:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001173447/

The indexes from the IFHF show the births of the Bourke children recorded in County Limerick, but both the 1901 and 1911 census enumerations show they were born in County Tipperary. I’m not sure why. I checked to see if the Grean Civil Parish may have also crossed over into County Tipperary, but found no evidence that it did. I also found that Ayle was located in two different Civil Parishes in Tipperary, including the parish of Toem and the parish of Solloghodmore. Drumwood, in this portion of Tipperary, was located in the Civil Parish of Solloghodmore.

If you order the IFHF birth transcriptions, or copies for the birth records from the GRO, see if there is an address of the parents listed on each child’s birth record, as this may give you further information about where the parents had been living when each child was born.

Next I looked for the marriage of Laurence/Lawrence Burke and Bridget Storen at the IFHF website but didn’t find it. Nor did I locate their marriage at the Latter Day Saints (LDS) or at Ancestry.com. It’s possible I may have missed finding their marriage record. I also looked for your grandmother Elizabeth’s birth and baptisms at the LDS and Ancestry.com, but as stated earlier, did not find it.

But I found a death index at the IFHF that may pertain to Bridget’s husband Laurence. The index shows that Laurence’s death was recorded in Cappagh, Tipperary, in 1900, and that the record pertains to a Civil parish record, rather than a church record. The index is below:


1 match for the search criteria: Bourke Laurence 1900 Parish: CAPPAGH (CP)

Record Type: Burial/Death Records for County Tipperary (South)
Surname: Bourke
First Name: Laurence

Year: 1900

Parish/District: CAPPAGH (CP)
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Like Ayle, Cappagh was located in the Civil Parish of Toem.

Also Paul, in your message to Ancestry.com you noted that Bridget Storen’s parents were Thomas Storen and Catherine Cushing. I looked for their marriage at the IFHF website for all available counties, but didn’t find it. But I did locate baptism indexes for three other Storen children who might have been your Bridget’s siblings, though I didn’t find a baptism for Bridget. In the 1911 census Bridget’s age is listed as 62, but in the 1901 census her age is 45. That’s a 7 year difference in age from one 10 year period to another, which would place her year of birth anywhere from 1849 to 1856.

The baptisms for the Storen children that I found occurred from the early to latter 1840s. These children however, were baptized in the Croom, County Limerick, Catholic Church. Croom is also the name of the Civil parish for this section of County Limerick which you can find on the Irish Times Civil Parish Map at number 44. If you look close enough at the map, you’ll see that Croom is a split Civil Parish.

You can better see Croom on an Irish Times Catholic Parish Map for East Limerick at the following link: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/li...

Croom is situated in the western portion of the map, just opposite the words, “West Limerick.”

Had you ever heard family stories that your Storan/Storen ancestors may have originated in County Limerick?

The baptism indexes are for Margaret (1842); Kate (1845); and Hana. (1847). The IFHF search engine would not accept Hanna as the child’s full name, it only accepted the abbreviation Han. Also, the search engine for these baptisms would not accept Catherine as the first name of the children’s mother, but did accept Kate. You’ll see the indexes spell the last name as Storan. This may be how it is spelled in the transcriptions of the baptism. Kate’s maiden name Cushing may also be spelled differently in the transcriptions, than it is in the indexes which follow:


1 match for the search criteria: Storan Margaret 1842 Parish: CROOM (RC)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Limerick
Surname: Storan
First Name: Margaret
Father's Surname: Storan
Father's First Name: Thomas
Mother's Surname: Cushing
Mother's First Name: Kate

Year: 1842

Parish/District: CROOM (RC)
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1 match for the search criteria: Storan Kate 1845 Parish: CROOM (RC)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Limerick
Surname: Storan
First Name: Kate
Father's Surname: Storan
Father's First Name: Thomas
Mother's Surname: Cushing
Mother's First Name: Kate

Year: 1845

Parish/District: CROOM (RC)
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1 match for the search criteria: Storan Hana. 1847 Parish: CROOM (RC)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Limerick
Surname: Storan
First Name: Hana.
Father's Surname: Storan
Father's First Name: Thomas
Mother's Surname: Cushing
Mother's First Name: Kate

Year: 1847

Parish/District: CROOM (RC)
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If you are interested in purchasing the IFHF baptism transcriptions for the three Storan children, you can do so from one index:


3 matches for the search criteria: Storan (plus variants) % Parish: CROOM (RC)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Limerick
Surname: Storan
First Name: %
Father's Surname: Storan
Father's First Name: Thomas
Mother's Surname: Cushing
Mother's First Name: Kate

Year:

Parish/District: CROOM (RC)
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Locating birth, baptism, marriage, and death or burial indexes at the IFHF website can be challenging if you’ve never used this website before. You may have to experiment with the website to see if you can find more of your ancestors, whether in Limerick or Tipperary. You can contact the IFHF for more information about accessing indexes and transcriptions if you are having difficulty.


MASSACHUSETTS REOCRDS


Most, if not all the information I found concerning your Massachusetts ancestors you already have in your Frazier/Ryan Family Tree posted at Ancestry.com. Look at the information that I found as confirmation of what you’ve already uncovered.

For example, I uncovered a very unusual 1914 Massachusetts marriage index at the Latter Day Saints (LDS) website which doesn’t give the names of the groom and bride, but does give the names of their parents. The index shows the groom’s parents were James F. Ryan and Bridget Hickey, while the bride’s parents are listed as Laurence Burke and Bridget Storan. The day and month of the marriage in 1914, is not recorded in the index.

The LDS website can be found at: https://www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records

The marriage index follows:


Laurence Burke in entry for and , "Massachusetts, Marriages, 1841-1915"

name:

event: Marriage
event date: 1914

event place:
gender: Male
age:
marital status:
race:
birth date:
birthplace: Hyde Park, ,
marriage registration year:

marriage registration place: Massachusetts

estimated birth year:

father: James F Ryan
mother: Bridget Hickey

spouse:

spouse's father: Laurence Burke
spouse's mother: Bridget Storan

record number: 1043
film number: 2410991
digital folder number: 4329374
image number: 00087
number of images: 1

film number: 2410991

Collection: Laurence Burke in entry for Unknown and Unknown, "Massachusetts, Marriages, 1841-1915"

Citing this Record
"Massachusetts, Marriages, 1841-1915," index and images, FamilySearch accessed 26 Jan 2013), Laurence Burke in entry for null and null, 1914.
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Fortunately, the LDS has attached this index to a copy of one the original marriage register pages for Boston. The marriage register for Boston for 1914 incorporates two facing pages, but the LDS only attached the second page of the register to the index. A copy of the original second page of the Boston marriage register can be found at:
http://tinyurl.com/a5lptwh

Go down to the 8th entry on the page and you’ll see that the groom’s parents, James F. Ryan and Bridget Hickey, were from Hyde Park, and that Laurence Burke and Bridget Storan were from Ireland. You’ll also see the name of the priest who officiated at the wedding was James J. Chittick, of 5 Oak Street.

But, I located the first page of the 1914 Boston marriage register, showing that Daniel T. Ryan, of 82 Loring Street, and Elizabeth M. Burke, of 11 Perkins Ave., were married on April 15, 1914. Daniel’s occupation is listed as “Machinist,” while Elizabeth’s occupation was “Housekeeper.”

Go to the following link to view the first page of the Boston, Massachusetts marriage register for 1914:
http://tinyurl.com/b2khd75

Concerning Daniel Ryan, I found two LDS birth indexes for him; one recorded by the Hyde Park Town Clerk’s Office, and one by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Both indexes show that Daniel was born on 8 Januaray 1882, and that his parents were James F. Ryan and Bridget. No maiden name is listed for Bridget in either index, and neither index is attached to a copy of Daniel’s original birth record.

The Hyde Park birth index is below:


Daniel Ryan, "Massachusetts, Births and Christenings, 1639-1915"

name: Daniel Ryan
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 08 Jan 1882
birthplace: Hyde Park, Suffolk, Massachusetts, United States
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: James F
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Bridget
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I05515-3
system origin: Massachusetts-EASy
reference number: Vol-1 #13

source film number: 826498 = Hyde Park (Massachusetts). Town Clerk: Births, deaths, 1868-1911.

Collection: Daniel Ryan, "Massachusetts, Births and Christenings, 1639-1915"


Citing this Record
"Massachusetts, Births and Christenings, 1639-1915," index, FamilySearch accessed 26 Jan 2013), Daniel Ryan, 08 Jan 1882; citing reference Vol-1 #13, FHL microfilm 826498.
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Daniel’s Hyde Park birth record can be found in LDS microfilm number 826498. You can order this film from your local Family History Center.

Next is the Commonwealth of Massachusetts birth index for Daniel Ryan:


Daniel Ryan, "Massachusetts, Births, 1841-1915"

name: Daniel Ryan

event: Birth
event date: 08 Jan 1882
event place: Hyde Park, Massachusetts

gender:
registration date:
registration place:
christening date:
christening place:
christening age:

father: James F. Ryan
father's birthplace:
father's age:

mother: Bridget
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:

volume/page/certificate number: 290
digital folder number: 4341200
image number: 475

film number: 1428204 = Massachusetts. Secretary of the Commonwealth:
Births, marriages (1841-1895), and deaths.

Collection: Daniel Ryan, "Massachusetts, Births, 1841-1915"
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FXDQ-6CP

Citing this Record
"Massachusetts, Births, 1841-1915," index and images, FamilySearch accessed 26 Jan 2013), Daniel Ryan, 1882.
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The Commonwealth birth record for Daniel can be found in microfilm number 1428204. I don’t think there will be a difference between this birth record and the one recorded by the Hyde Park Town Clerk.

Next I located the Hyde Park death index for John H. Ryan, son of James F. Ryan and Bridget Hickey. John died on 14 January 1894 at age 19 years old. His birth place is listed as Putnam, Connecticut:


John H. Ryan, "Massachusetts, Deaths, 1841-1915"

name: John H. Ryan

event: Death
event date: 14 Jan 1894
event place: Hyde Park, Massachusetts
residence: Hyde Park

street address:
gender: Male
age: 19
marital status: Single
occupation: Mill hand

birth date:
birthplace: Putnam, Conn.
estimated birth year: 1875

burial date:
burial place:

cemetery: St. Mary's

father: James F.
father's birthplace: Ireland

mother: Bridget Hickey
mother's birthplace: Ireland

additional relatives:
spouse:
volume/page/certificate number: v 446 p 499
film number: 961513
frame number:
digital folder number: 4225008
image number: 480

Collection: John H. Ryan, "Massachusetts, Deaths, 1841-1915"
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A copy of John Ryan’s original Hyde Park death register entry can be found at the LDS link at:
http://tinyurl.com/asoxg7m

The death register shows that John died of pneumonia in Hyde Park and is buried in St. Mary’s Cemetery. His occupation at the time of death was mill hand.

I then found the Hyde Park marriage index for James P. Ryan at the LDS website. The index shows he married Hannah T. Dolan on 27 September 1905. His parents are James F. Ryan and Bridget Hickey. Hannah’s parents are Thomas Dolan and Bridget Dolan. The index notes that James was 33 years old when he married, and that he was born in Thompson, Connecticut:

James P. Ryan, "Massachusetts, Marriages, 1841-1915"

name: James P. Ryan

event: Marriage
event date: 27 Sep 1905
event place: Hyde Park, Massachusetts

gender: Male
age: 33
marital status:
race:

birth date:
birthplace: Thompson, Conn.

marriage registration year:
marriage registration place:

estimated birth year: 1872

father: James F.
mother: Bridget Hickey

spouse: Hannah T. Dolan
spouse's marital status:

spouse's father: Thomas
spouse's mother: Bridget Dolan

record number: 24
film number: 2057623
digital folder number: 4332434
image number: 00038
number of images:

Collection: James P. Ryan, "Massachusetts, Marriages, 1841-1915"

Citing this Record
"Massachusetts, Marriages, 1841-1915," index and images, FamilySearch accessed 26 Jan 2013), James P. Ryan and Hannah T. Dolan, 1905
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A copy of the original Hyde Park marriage register entry for James P. Ryan and Hannah T. Dolan can be found at the LDS link at: http://tinyurl.com/av4c7ml

The marriage register shows that James is employed as a lather, while Hannah’s occupation is shop girl. The person who married the couple was the parish priest, James J. Chittick, of 5 Oak Street. Oak Street is the location of the Most Precious Blood Catholic Church.

Next I found the LDS death index for James F. Ryan’s wife, Bridget Hickey Ryan. The index shows that Bridget died in Boston on 7 January 1915 at age 63. Her birthplace was Ireland and her birth date was 11 May 1851. Her parents are listed as James Hickey and Mary Morrison. The index also shows her husband was James F. Ryan:


James F Ryan in entry for Bridget Ryan, "Massachusetts, Deaths, 1841-1915"

name: Bridget Ryan

event: Death
event date: 07 Jan 1915
event place: Boston,,Massachusetts

residence:
street address:

gender: Female
age: 63
marital status: Married

occupation:

birth date: 11 May 1851
birthplace: Ireland
estimated birth year:

burial date:
burial place:
cemetery:

father: James Hickey
father's birthplace:

mother: Mary Morrison
mother's birthplace:

spouse: James F Ryan


volume/page/certificate number: 201
film number: 2408967
frame number:
digital folder number: 4284301
image number: 01582

Collection: James F Ryan in entry for Bridget Ryan, "Massachusetts, Deaths, 1841-1915"

Citing this Record
"Massachusetts, Deaths, 1841-1915," index and images, FamilySearch accessed 26 Jan 2013), James F Ryan in entry for Bridget Ryan, 1915
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A copy of the original Boston death register entry for Bridget Ryan can be found on two pages. Go to the links at:

http://tinyurl.com/b3tu48m

http://tinyurl.com/alf28or


The death register entry shows that Bridget died of pneumonia with a secondary cause listed as “Mitral and Aortic Regurgitation. She died at home at 82 Loring St. The informant to the death was J. Ryan. She is buried in St. Mary’s Cemetery.

I now wanted to see if I could find the marriage for James F. Ryan and Bridget Hickey. I figured they may have been married in Connecticut, as birth indexes show they had children born in Thompson and Putnam, Connecticut. I didn’t find their marriage record in Connecticut. I also searched for their marriage in Massachusetts, as well as in Ireland, but again without results.

I notice from your Frazier/Ryan Family Tree page at Ancestry.com that you found James and Bridget Ryan and their four children in the 1880 census for Hyde Park, Mass.

I also see that you found James Ryan in the 1870 census in what appears to be two different enumerations for Putnam. Conn. One of the enumerations shows he is in the Kenny Household, and the other in the household of his 47 year old mother, Catherine. This census return shows that while John was born in Ireland, two of his siblings, 15 year old Mary and 11 year old Joanna, were born in Rhode Island, while his youngest sibling, 8 year old John, was born in Connecticut.

You also found James’s future wife, Bridget Hickey in the 1870 census in Thompson, Conn, in the household of her 45 year old mother, Mary Hickey, who, like Catherine Ryan, appears to be a widow. All of Mary’s children were born in Ireland.

You also reference the 1900 census to show that James Ryan and Bridget Hickey were married in 1871. The local Catholic Church during this time period for the Putnam/Thompson area, was St. Mary’s, which is still in existence. It was built in 1858. See the St. Mary Parish website for the history of the church at:
http://www.stmaryputnam.org/PARISH_HISTORY.html

It may be that James Ryan and Bridget Hickey were married in St. Mary’s Church in the early 1870s. You can contact the parish secretary’s office at 15 Marshall Street, Putnam 06260. For more contact information, go to the St. Mary’s Church link at: http://www.stmaryputnam.org/ABOUT_OUR_PARISH.html

St. Mary’s Church is located on the corner of Providence and Marshall Streets in Putnam. To view a Google Map of this area go to the following: http://tinyurl.com/anf5ht8

Once at the map, click on the Letter A to generate a “Street view,” of Providence Street. Next, click on the thumbnail photo to enlarge it. Once you have a full screen you’ll want to pan right 180 degrees, that is, to head in the opposite direction on Providence Street. You can then navigate your way to St. Mary’s Catholic Church and the church rectory to the left.

As records have shown, and as you’ve already found, James Ryan’s parents were Michael Ryan and Catherine Foley. I notice the Media Gallery image you have for a transcription of their marriage on February 14, 1841. The marriage took place in Castlelyons, County Cork. I also found their marriage index at the IFHF for Cork (North & East). The index is below:


1 match for the search criteria: Ryan (plus variants) Michael 1841 Parish: CASTLELYONS (RC)

Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Cork (North & East)
Surname: Ryan
First Name: Michael
Spouse's Surname: Foley
Spouse's First Name: Catherine
Father's Surname:
Father's First Name:
Mother's Surname:
Mother's First Name:

Year: 1841

Parish/District: Parish: CASTLELYONS (RC)
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Along with the above marriage index I also found James Ryan’s 1846 Castlelyons baptism index at the IFHF:


1 match for the search criteria: Ryan (plus variants) James 1846 Parish: CASTLELYONS (RC)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Derry
Surname: Ryan
First Name: James
Father's Surname: Ryan
Father's First Name: Michael
Mother's Surname: Foley
Mother's First Name: Catherine

Year: 1846

Parish/District: CASTLELYONS (RC)
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Indexes at the IFHF show however, that Michael Ryan and Catherine Foley had a son they named James who preceded the birth of their second son named James, born in 1846. This first James Ryan was also baptized in the Castlelyons Catholic Church, but in the year 1844:


1 match for the search criteria: Ryan (plus variants) James 1844 Parish: CASTLELYONS (RC)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Derry
Surname: Ryan
First Name: James
Father's Surname: Ryan
Father's First Name: Michael
Mother's Surname: Foley
Mother's First Name: Catherine

Year: 1844

Parish/District: CASTLELYONS (RC)
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I located yet another baptism index for a child of a Michael Ryan and Catherine Foley. This child was Catherine Ryan, who was baptized in the Lisgoold, County Cork Catholic Church in 1841, the same year that Michael and Catherine were married. If you go to the Irish Times Catholic parish map for County Cork East, you’ll see that this parish borders Castlelyons, though most of the northern portion of the Lisgoold parish shares a border with the Catholic Parish of Rathcormac:


1 match for the search criteria: Ryan (plus variants) Catherine 1841 Parish: LISGOOLD (RC)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Derry
Surname: Ryan
First Name: Catherine
Father's Surname: Ryan
Father's First Name: Michael
Mother's Surname: Foley
Mother's First Name: Catherine

Year: 1841

Parish/District: LISGOOLD (RC)
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If this Catherine Ryan was the daughter of your Michael Ryan and Catherine Foley, she may have been born in November or December of 1841.


BRIDGET HICKEY RYAN


Bridget Ryan’s 1915 death record shows that her parents were James Hickey and Mary Morrison. Her birth date is given as given as 11 May 1851. Her birthplace was Ireland. With this information I went back to the IFHF website to see if I could find her baptism index. I didn’t uncover a baptism index for Bridget, but did find an index for a Catherine Hickey, daughter of James Hickey and Mary Morrison. Catherine’s baptism took place in the Rathcormac, County Cork, Catholic Church, in 1844. This could be a reference to the baptism of Bridget’s older sister, but I can’t be sure of that, as I don’t have enough information to verify the relationship. But, as you can see on the Catholic parish map for Cork, the Rathcormac Catholic parish and the Castlelyons Catholic parish, border one another, indicating that the Ryan, Foley, Hickey, and Morrison families, came from the same general area of County Cork.

The index follows:


1 match for the search criteria: Hickey (plus variants) Catherine 1844 Parish: RATHCORMAC (RC)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Cork (North & East)
Surname: Hickey
First Name: Catherine
Father's Surname: Hickey
Father's First Name: James
Mother's Surname: Morrison
Mother's First Name: Mary

Year: 1844

Parish/District: RATHCORMAC (RC)
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Best Wishes Paul, and great job compiling your genealogy.

Dave Boylan
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PaulFrazier55 24 Jan 2013 12:49PM GMT 
DaveBoylan 27 Jan 2013 1:52PM GMT 
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