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Brett and O'Connell Family from Mullinahone Tipperary Ireland

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Re: Brett and O'Connell Family from Mullinahone Tipperary Ireland

Posted: 12 Mar 2013 4:49AM GMT
Classification: Query
You’re welcome Carol, and many thanks for both your replies.

I am not familiar with a clergy or religious database for Ireland that gives the names and birthplaces of priests and nuns. But that doesn’t mean one doesn’t exist, it’s just that I’ve never had occasion to look for information about nuns in Ireland.

But, there is another way you can find out if an ancestors had joined a religious order if they were born, say in the 1860s into the 1890s, and that’s by going to the 1901 and 1911 census returns.

One good things about the census form from the National Archives is you are given a choice, under the heading, “More search options,” to choose the county a person was from, their gender, as well as their occupation.

I started with the 1901 census to see if any females born in County Tipperary named Brett, were Nuns.

I got one hit from the search which shows a 25 year old Mary Columba Brett was indeed a “Teaching Nun” born in County Tipperary, though the census doesn’t say where in Tipperary she was from. She is in the household with four other nuns in an address of House Number 2, Drangan, Tipperary. The House and Building Return form states that House Number 2 was a convent. The 1901 census transcription from the National Archives can be found at:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/D...

The House and Building Return form for the convent can be found at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003906962/

I also checked the House and Building Return form to see if there were any schools nearby House Number 2 in Drangan, but found there were not.

To see Drangan on a Google Map of Ireland, go to: http://tinyurl.com/craq8e6

Once at the map go to the Zoom-in/Zoom-out gage in the upper left corner, and zoom in on the map so that more landmarks of the town are delineated. If you’ve zoomed-in far enough (but not too far), you’ll landmarks such as the Church of the Immaculate Conception, Killinardish House, Church View, The Old Creamery, etc. You’ll also see the letter A sitting on top of the label for the Church of the Immaculate Conception. Left-click on the Letter A to generate a Street-view image, and then click on the image itself to enlarge it, and you’ll be in on the road front of the Church, though I’m not sure if the convent, at House Number 2, was near the church.

Next, go back to the map for Drangan. Off the map to the left, you’ll see a prompt labeled “Directions” highlighted in blue. Left-click on Directions and a drop-down box labeled A will appear. Inside the box type in Mullinahone, South Tipperary, Ireland, and then click on “Get Directions.” The map that appears will show Drangan at Letter B, and Mullinahone at Letter A. The distance between the two towns is 6.1 kilometers, which is 3.8 miles. This means that if the Mary Brett in the convent was your ancestor’s relative, she would not have had far to go from home to live in the convent.

Next, going to the 1911 census I found a 34 year old Mary Brett in a convent with several others nuns belonging to the order of the Sisters of Mercy, in an address of House Number 11, Carrownreddy, Tipperary. Carrownreddy is a part of Tipperary Town. Mary Brett can be found a little more than half way down the census page. See this census at: http://tinyurl.com/c3ha4j6

The fourth person enumerated after Mary Brett is 34 year old Mary “Connerford, also born in Tipperary..” However, in the copy of the original 1911 census her last name appears to read “Comerford” rather than Connerford. See:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003349637/


I am wondering if Mary Brett and Mary Comerford were cousins. The 1911 census was taken on the night of Sunday, April 2nd, 1911. At 34 years of age in 1911 Mary Brett would have been born circa 1877. However, is she had been born after April 2, she would have actually turned 35 years old in 1911.

With this information I looked for Mary Brett’s birth index at the Later Day Saints website. I particularly wanted to see if a Mary Brett had been born between 1875 and 1877 in Mullinahone or perhaps in Poulacapple, Tipperary. The results of this search shows that a Mary “Britt” was born in “Poulcopple” on 30 May 1876. Her parents are listed as John Britt and Honora Ryan Britt.

The index is below:


Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911

Mary Britt, "Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881"

Name: Mary Britt
Gender: Female
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Birth Date: 30 May 1876
Birthplace: Poulacopple, Tipperary, Ireland
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Britt
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Honora Britt Ryan
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01312-0
System Origin: Ireland-EASy
Reference ID: v 9-2 p 619

GS Film number: 255955 = Quarterly returns of births in Ireland, 1864-1955.

Collection: Mary Britt, "Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881"
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG2K-DGZ

Citing this Record
"Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG2K-DGZ : accessed 11 Mar 2013), Mary Britt, 30 May 1876.
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Mary’s birth record can be found on LDS microfilm number 255955, which can be ordered from the GRO in Roscommon Town.

I also found Mary’s birth index at the IFHF website for County Tipperary, showing the district of her birth was Mullinahone:


1 match for the search criteria: Brett (plus variants) Mary 1876 Parish: MULLINAHONE (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tipperary (South)
Surname: Britt
First Name: Mary
Father's Surname: Britt
Father's First Name: John
Mother's Surname: Ryan
Mother's First Name: Honora

Year: 1876

Parish/District: MULLINAHONE (CP)
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The 1911 census shows that Mary Brett and Mary Comerford were both 34 years of age and so I wanted to see if the birth of a Mary Comerford was recorded in Mullinahone or Poulacapple, Tipperary in 1876 at the LDS website. I didn’t find a birth index for a Mary Comerford in 1876, but did locate an index for 1874, showing that Mary Comeford’s birth was recorded in Mullinahone on 1 March of that year. Her parents are listed as George Comerford and Mary Brien:


Mary, "Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881"

Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Christening Date:
Christening Place: 689, MULLINAHONE, TIPP, IRE
Birth Date: 01 Mar 1874
Birthplace: Mullinahone, Tipp, Ire
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: George Comerford
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary Brien
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C70155-5
System Origin: Ireland-VR
Reference ID: - 2:1PTL6RB

GS Film number: 255897 = Quarterly returns of births in Ireland, 1864-1955.

Collection: Mary, "Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881"
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPB4-129

Citing this Record
"Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPB4-129 : accessed 12 Mar 2013), Mary, 01 Mar 1874.
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Also found was the 1874 birth index for Mary Comeford at the IFHF website, showing the district of her birth was Mullinahone:


1 match for the search criteria: Comerford (plus variants) Mary 1874 Parish: MULLINAHONE (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tipperary (South)
Surname: Comerford
First Name: Mary
Father's Surname: Comerford
Father's First Name: George
Mother's Surname: Brien
Mother's First Name: Mary

Year: 1874

Parish/District: MULLINAHONE (CP)
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The birth indexes from the LDS and IFHF websites for Mary Britt and Mary Comerford show it is feasible that these children, when they were older, would become nuns with the Sisters of Mercy. But, I can’t prove that just from the census returns and birth indexes alone.

Going back to the 1911 census the House and Building Return form shows that House Number 11 in Carrownreddy, was a convent. See the link at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003349609/

Also on the House and Building Return form, at House Number 10, you’ll see the notation that this dwelling was an “Industrial School.” The pupils in this school, all girls, were also enumerated in the 1911 census. You can view the students and employees of the school in the 1911 census at: http://tinyurl.com/akfr22r

I believe the Sisters of Mercy taught children in this industrial school.

To view a Google Map of Carrownreddy, Tipperary Town, go to: http://tinyurl.com/a22fmd7

Once at the map, zoom-in a little bit so that more landmarks of the place are visible. Just above the Letter A you’ll see that Rosanna Road ties into St. Michael’s Street. St Michael’s Street is highlighted in yellow. At this junction you’ll see the Convent of Mercy and the Convent Lodge. Next, go back to the Zoom-in/Zoom-out gage. At the top of the gage you’ll see a little yellow peg-man. Left-click on the peg-man and drag him over to the label for the Convent of Mercy, and then let go of him. This will being up a street view. You’ll then see that you looking at a church. You’ll have to go to the right of the church. There you’ll see a three story building attached to the church. I believe this structure may be the convent.

Carol, if your great aunt was Mary Brett, chances are the Mary Brett who joined the Sisters of Mercy is the person you are looking for.

Best Wishes,

Dave
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