Thanks for your note, Yes I have a copy of the birth cert for John, I also have the census returns for the family for both 1901 and 1911. I have been very lucky in that someone there has looked in the church records for me and have confirmed the baptism date of him and his siblings and for a couple of generations further back. I didn't put the further info on my first reply as we knew that we were talking about the same family memebers. I'm currently waiting for further certs to confirm each generation. All the family members have been from the Castlepollard area.