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Re: Mintons in Westmeath

Posted: 9 Aug 2012 8:19AM GMT
Classification: Query

Hello Jacqueline,

I’m not a descendant of the Mentons and Glennons, but I found what I believe to be the 1884 church marriage index, as well as the civil marriage index for your Thomas Menton and Catherine Glennon. These indexes were discovered at the Irish Family History Foundation (IFHF) website for County Roscommon.

The church index shows the couple were married in the Ballybay, Roscommon Catholic Church, while the civil index shows their marriage recorded in the Kiltoom (CP). The initials CP stand for Civil Parish.

The home page for the IFHF can be found at: http://www.rootsireland.ie/

Before accessing indexes at any of the IFHF member counties, you’ll need to register with the website. You’ll be able to access indexes that I uncovered for free, but will have to purchase credits to obtain marriage and baptism transcriptions. The transcriptions will be sent to your computer after you purchase the credits. You purchase credits by credit card.

The church marriage index as well as the civil marriage index for Thomas and Catherine are below. The IFHF search engine will accept the spelling Menton or Minton for Thomas’s surname. I used the spelling that you use for his surname, that is, Menton. You’ll need to order the transcription of the marriage to see how it is spelled in the Ballybay Church register:


1 match for the search criteria: Menton (plus variants) Thomas 1884 Parish: BALLYBAY (RC)

Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Menton
First Name: Thomas
Spouse's Surname: Glennon
Spouse's First Name: Catherine
Father's Surname:
Father's First Name:
Mother's Surname:
Mother's First Name:

Year: 1884

Parish/District: Parish: BALLYBAY (RC)


AND


1 match for the search criteria: Menton (plus variants) Thomas 1884 Parish: KILTOOM (CP)

Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Menton
First Name: Thomas
Spouse's Surname: Glennon
Spouse's First Name: Catherine
Father's Surname:
Father's First Name:
Mother's Surname:
Mother's First Name:

Year: 1884

Parish/District: Parish: KILTOOM (CP)
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Civil marriage indexes from this time period traditionally include the names of the fathers of the groom and bride, but the IFHF indexes do not automatically provide you with the names of the fathers. You either have to know who the fathers were, or find out who they were through more research, or guess as to what their first names were, or order the transcription of the CP marriage to find out who they were.

I decided to see if I could guess the names of Thomas and Catherine’s fathers.

After one or two attempts the IFHF search engine accepted Patrick as Thomas Menton’s father. The revised marriage index follows:


1 match for the search criteria: Menton (plus variants) Thomas 1884 Parish: KILTOOM (CP)

Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Menton
First Name: Thomas
Spouse's Surname: Glennon
Spouse's First Name: Catherine
Father's Surname: Menton
Father's First Name: Patrick
Mother's Surname:
Mother's First Name:

Year: 1884

Parish/District: Parish: KILTOOM (CP)
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With Catherine Glennon as the primary partner in the marriage index, I guessed that her father’s first name was James:


1 match for the search criteria: Glennon (plus variants) Catherine 1884 Parish: KILTOOM (CP)

Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Glennon
First Name: Catherine
Spouse's Surname: Menton
Spouse's First Name: Thomas
Father's Surname: Glennon
Father's First Name: James
Mother's Surname:
Mother's First Name:

Year: 1884

Parish/District: Parish: KILTOOM (CP)
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The Ballybay Catholic Church was in the Catholic Parish of Kiltoom. Kiltoom was also the name of the Civil Parish for this portion of County Roscommon, which is separated from County Westmeath to the east, by the River Shannon. Just over the Shannon from Kiltoom is Athlone, Westmeath.

To see a Catholic Parish map for “Kiltomb”, go to the Irish Times website link for County Roscommon at:
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/ro...

Kiltomb is situated toward the lower middle to right-hand portions of the map. To the right of Kiltomb you’ll see a blue-shaded area of the map which represents the River Shannon. To the right of the River Shannon you’ll see CO. WEST-MEATH. Click on the CO. WEST-MEATH and the Catholic parish map for Westmeath will appear. At the bottom left-hand portion of the map for Westmeath, you’ll see the Catholic Parish of St. Mary’s Athlone.

Next I wanted to see if I could find the birth or baptism indexes for your Patrick Menton. I didn’t uncover his baptism index but did find his civil birth index showing his birth recorded in the Kiltoom CP in 1884, which is the year of birth that you have for him.

His birth index follows:


1 match for the search criteria: Menton (plus variants) Patrick 1884 Parish: KILTOOM (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Menton
First Name: Patrick
Father's Surname: Menton
Father's First Name: Thomas
Mother's Surname: Glennon
Mother's First Name: Catherine

Year: 1884

Parish/District: KILTOOM (CP)
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I also found two more civil birth indexes for children of Thomas Menton and Catherine Glennon. The first one is for Thomas Menton, whose birth was recorded in Kiltoom, Roscommon in 1885. The second index is for Michael, whose birth was recorded in the Athlone, Westmeath civil parish in 1889.

Both indexes follow:


1 match for the search criteria: Menton (plus variants) Thomas 1885 Parish: KILTOOM (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Menton
First Name: Thomas
Father's Surname: Menton
Father's First Name: Thomas
Mother's Surname: Glennon
Mother's First Name: Catherine

Year: 1885

Parish/District: KILTOOM (CP)
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1 match for the search criteria: Menton (plus variants) Michael 1889 Parish: ATHLONE (RC)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Westmeath
Surname: Menton
First Name: Michael
Father's Surname: Menton
Father's First Name: Thomas
Mother's Surname: Glennon
Mother's First Name: Catherine

Year: 1889

Parish/District: ATHLONE (RC)
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Next I looked for the Menton family in the 1901 census of Ireland and found them living in The Strand, Athlone, Westmeath. The census was found at the National Archives of Ireland website link at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

The census shows that 40 year old Thomas Menton was the head of the household and employed as a bank porter. He is shown to be married, a Roman Catholic, and born in County Westmeath. He is shown to be able to read and write, as was his 35 year old wife Kate, whose occupation housekeeper. Kate was also born in Westmeath. The 6 children of the couple were also born in Westmeath. The oldest child in the census is 15 year old Thomas, working as a billiard marker. He is followed by 14 year old James, employed as a telegraph messenger; 12 year old Michael; 10 year old Joseph; 8 year old John; and 6 year old “Margret.”

Also in the household is Kate’s mother, 80 year old “Briget” Glennon, born in Westmeath. She is listed as Thomas’s mother-in-law.

Between the 1884 marriage index of Thomas and Kate, and the 1901 census, we now know that Kate’s parents were James Glennon and Bridget, though this information does not reveal what Bridget’s maiden name was.

The 1901 census follows:


1901 Census of Ireland


Residents of a house 4 in The Strand (Athlone Town, Westmeath)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses

Menton Thomas 40 Male Head of Family Roman Cathlic Co Westmeath Bank Porter Read and write Married
Menton Kate 35 Female Wife Roman Cathlic Co Westmeath House Keeper Read and write Married
Menton Thomas 15 Male Son Roman Cathlic Co Westmeath Billiard Marker Read and write Not Married
Menton James 14 Male Son Roman Cathlic Co Westmeath Telegraph Messenger Read and write Not Married
Menton Michael 12 Male Son Roman Cathlic Co Westmeath School Boy Read and write Not Married
Menton Joseph 10 Male Son Roman Cathlic Co Westmeath School Boy Read and write Not Married
Menton John 8 Male Son Roman Cathlic Co Westmeath School Boy Read and write Not Married
Menton Magret 6 Female Daughter Roman Cathlic Co Westmeath Cant read or write Not Married
Glennon Briget 80 Female Mother in Law Roman Cathlic Co Westmeath Read only Widow
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To view a copy of the original 1901 census for the Menton family, go to the National Archives of Ireland link at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001249265/

I also found 50 year old Thomas and 54 year old Kate Menton and three of their children in the 1911 census of Ireland, still living in The Strand, Athlone. You’ll notice that the census lists Kate’s age in 1911 as 54, but in the 1901 census she was 35. This shows that you can’t always tell how old a person actually was through census returns alone.

But the census shows that Thomas was still employed as a bank porter. At the end of the census line for Kate, you’ll see the numbers 28, 7, and 6. The 28 means that Kate and Thomas, as of 1911, were married for 28 years. The 7 stands for the number of children they had since they married, while the 6 represents the number of children still alive.

If you recall, I only found the births or baptisms for three children of Thomas and Kate.

The children in the household are 22 year old “Michal,” employed as a post man; 20 year old Joseph, employed as a mill worker, and 18 year old John, employed as what appears to be a mill posear, though I’m not sure what a mill posear (poseur?) actually did.

The census transcription from the National Archives is below:


1911 Census of Ireland


Residents of a house 1 in The Strand (Athlone East Urban, Westmeath)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language
Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living

Menton Thomas 50 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Westmeath Bank Porter Read and write Married
Menton Kate 54 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Westmeath Read and write Married 28 7 6
Menton Michal 22 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Westmeath Post Man Read and write Single
Menton Joseph 20 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Westmeath Mill Worker Read and write Single
Menton John 18 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Westmeath Mill Posear Read and write Single
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You can view a copy of the original 1911 census for the Menton family at the National Archives link at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003518487/

Kate’s mother Bridget Glennon is not in the 1911 census with the family, which is an indication she had died between 1901 and 1911. I found a civil death index at the Latter Day Saints (LDS) website that may pertain to Kate’s mother, though I can’t be sure that it does.

The LDS website can be found at: https://www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records

The index shows the death of a Bridget Glennon recorded in the Athlone Registration District in the June quarter of 1901. Her age at death is 80, which is the same age listed for her in the 1901 census. But, it’s impossible to tell if her age correct 80 in the 1901 census, or if her age at death is even correct in the death index, which follows:


"Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958," Bridget Glennon, 1821

Name: Bridget Glennon

Registration District: Athlone
Event Type: DEATHS
Registration Quarter and Year: Apr - Jun 1901
Estimated Birth Year: 1821
Age (at Death): 80
Mother's Maiden Name:
Film Number: 101601
Volume Number: 3
Page Number: 14
Digital Folder Number: 4201705
Image Number: 00367

Source Citation
"Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958," index, FamilySearch
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FT6Y-SJ9:
accessed 07 Aug 2012), Bridget Glennon, 1821;
citing vol. 3, p. 14, General Registry, Custom House,
Dublin, Ireland; FHL microfilm 101601.
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The full death record for Bridget Glennon may tell you her cause of death, her exact date of death, her place of death, and who the informant was who reported the death to the local registrar. If the informant was Kate or Thomas Menton, then you would know you have the death record for the correct Bridget Glennon.

You can order Bridget’s death record from the General Register Office in Roscommon Town County Roscommon. For more information about ordering civil registration birth, marriage, and death records, and the fees involved, go to the GRO website at: http://www.groireland.ie/


Also Jacqueline, I found descriptions of Kiltoom/Kiltomb and Athlone in the 1837 edition of Lewis’s Topographical Dictionary of Ireland. You can access the Topographical Dictionary at the Library Ireland website link at: http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/index.php

The descriptions follow


KILTOOM, or KILTOMB, a parish, in the barony of ATHLONE, county of ROSCOMMON, and province of CONNAUGHT, 5 miles (N. W.) from Athlone, on the road to Roscommon; containing 4514 inhabitants. This parish, which is situated on Lough Ree, comprises 7510 statute acres, as applotted under the tithe act; the soil is light but fertile, and the lands are generally in a profitable state of cultivation; the system of agriculture is improved, and there is a moderate portion of bog. The scenery is pleasingly diversified.

The principal seats are Hodson's Bay, that of L. Hodson, Esq., pleasantly situated on the shore of Lough Ree, in tastefully disposed grounds commanding a fine view of the lake and the river Shannon; Grove, of J. Sproule, Esq.; New Park, of Mrs. Smythe, a handsome residence pleasantly situated; and Rockhill, of E. Hodson, Esq.

The living is a vicarage, in the diocese of Elphin, united by act of council, in 1784, to the vicarage of Camma, together forming the union of Kiltoom, in the patronage of the Bishop; the rectory is impropriate in the Incorporated Society.

The tithes amount to £155, of which £65 is payable to the impropriators, and the remainder to the vicar; the gross tithes of the benefice are £200. The glebe-house is situated about a mile from the church; the glebe comprises 20 3/8 acres. The church, which is in good repair, was built in 1785 by a gift of £390 from the late Board of First Fruits; the tower is castellated and the occasional residence of Sir Frederic French.

The R. C. parish is co-extensive with that of the Established Church; a spacious chapel is now being built. There is a private school, in which are about 45 children.
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ATHLONE, a borough, market and post-town, and an important military station, partly in the barony of BRAWNEY, county of WESTMEATH, and province of LEINSTER, and partly in the barony of ATHLONE, county of ROSCOMMON, and province of CONNAUGHT, 12 miles (N. E. by E.) from Ballinasloe, 15 ¼ (S.E.by S.) from Roscommon, and 59 ½ (W.) from Dublin; containing 11,406 inhabitants. This place derives its name from the words Ath Luain, signifying in the Irish language "the ford of the moon," of which, previously to the introduction of Christianity, the ancient inhabitants were worshippers; or, according to some, from Ath-Luan, in reference to the rapids at the bridge over the Shannon. After the erection of a town at this ford it obtained the name of Bail-ath-Luain, or "the town of the ford of the moon," by which, now contracted into Blahluin, it is generally called by the Irish inhabitants of the neighbourhood. The town is situated on the river Shannon, by which it is divided into two parts, and on the great western road from Dublin to Galway through Ballinasloe.

An abbey for Cistertian monks, dedicated to St. Peter, was founded, according to Ware, in 1216, on the western or Connaught side of the Shannon, to which in that year King John gave certain lands in exchange for the site on which was erected the Castle of Athlone, besides one-tenth part of the expenses of the castle, which afterwards become one of the principal military stations in the country. The castle was progressively increased in strength, and so important was it regarded by the English monarchs, that when Henry III. granted the dominion of Ireland to his son Prince Edward, this town was expressly reserved with other principal cities; and when the same monarch granted the whole of Connaught to Richard de Burgo, he retained for himself five cantreds contiguous to the castle. In this reign another monastery was founded on the eastern side of the Shannon, by Cathal Croibh-Dearg O'Connor, Prince of Connaught, and completed by Sir Henry Dillon, who was interred in it in 1244. In the reign of Elizabeth this place was greatly improved, the fortifications were strengthened, and the castle was for some time occupied by the Earl of Essex.

The castle became the seat of the presidency of Connaught, and when the insurrection broke out in 1641, it was occupied by Viscount Ranelagh, then lord-president, with the usual ward of a royal castle. Independently of its several defences, the town was strong in itself, being built of stone; and the inhabitants having given assurances of their determination to defend it against all enemies, the president entrusted it entirely to their custody; but in a few weeks they secretly formed a design of enabling the insurgents to seize the president and his family, and to surprise the castle. For this purpose they admitted Sir James Dillon's forces within the walls on the night of Saturday, in the hope of surprising Lord Ranelagh on his way to church in the English town on the following day; but by some mistake in the appointed signal the design miscarried. The Irish forces laid close siege to the castle for twenty-two weeks, when it was relieved by some troops sent from Dublin by the Duke of Ormonde, who strengthened the garrison; but with this reinforcement the president effected nothing more than an unimportant defeat of the Connaught men near Ballintobber. During the president's absence on this expedition, the insurgents of Westmeath under Sir James Dillon attacked the English town in such numbers that the garrison were compelled to abandon the walls, but they defended the houses till Captain St. George, making a sally from the castle, compelled the assailants to withdraw.

By occupying the pass of Ballykeran, however, Dillon's forces cut off all communication with the metropolis, and reduced the town to a state of extreme distress for want of supplies, which an entire troop had to cut its way through his forces to Dublin to solicit. At length, all hope of assistance being extinct, the president negotiated with the enemy for a safe conduct for his wife and family to Trim, which was honourably granted; and so forcibly did Lady Ranelagh, at Dublin, urge the necessities of the deserted English in this town, that a convoy was sent to bring the inhabitants away. This convoy, which consisted of 1100 foot and a few horse, summoned from the garrisons around Dublin, under the command of Sir Richard Grenville, arrived at Athlone in the latter part of February, 1642, and found the English there so much reduced in numbers as scarcely to muster more than 450 men, and many of these so wasted by famine and disease, as to be unable to march. They fought their way home through the pass of Rochonell, and the custody of the castle was assumed by Viscount Dillon of Costelloe. After the victories obtained by Cromwell, the castle was taken on a second attack by Sir Charles Coote for the parliament; and during the fury of the war the town was burned; though restored, it never recovered its former strength or appearance; and in the reign of Charles II. the eastern portion of it was destroyed by an accidental fire.
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RECORDS FOUND IN THE U.S. AND MORE IRISH RECORDS


You no doubt already have the marriage record for Patrick J. Menton and Bridget M. Smith. I located their marriage index at the Latter Day Saints (LDS) website at: https://www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records

The index shows that Patrick and Bridget were married in Boston on 4 January 1914. The index shows that Patrick was 29 when he married, but does not give Bridget’s age. Nor does the index provide the names of the parents for Patrick and Bridget:


"Massachusetts, Marriages, 1841-1915," Patrick J Menton, 1914

Name: Patrick J Menton

Event: Marriage
Event Date: 04 Jan 1914
Event Place:
Gender: Male
Age: 29
Marital Status:
Race:
Birth Date: 1885
Birthplace:
Marriage Registration Year:

Marriage Registration Place: Boston, , Massachusetts
Estimated Birth Year: 1885

Father:
Mother: null

Spouse: Bridget M Smith
Spouse's Marital Status:

Spouse's Father:
Spouse's Mother: null

Record Number: 1279
Film Number: 2409948
Digital Folder Number: 4329373
Image Number: 01032
Number of Images: 1

Source Citation
"Massachusetts, Marriages, 1841-1915," index and images, FamilySearch
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N4FK-137 :
accessed 07 Aug 2012), Patrick J Menton and Bridget M Smith, 1914.
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The index however is accompanied by two LDS links showing a copy of the actual City of Boston marriage register. These links can be accessed at:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12056-57889-48?...

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12056-57534-20?...

The first marriage register link shows that at the time of marriage Patrick was living in an address of 6 Cathedral Street and that 22 year old Bridget was living in an address of 163 Bay State Road. Patrick’s occupation is janitor, while Bridget was employed as a laundress.

The second marriage register link shows that Patrick’s father and mother were Thomas Menton and Catherine Glennon, while Bridget’s parents were Thomas Smith and Catherine Mullin. The priest who married the couple was John J. McGarry of 30 St. Cecilia Street.

Next I went to Google Maps and found Saint Cecelia’s Parish Church on the corner of Belvidere and Saint Cecelia Streets, Boston. You can view this map at: http://tinyurl.com/d43txkc

When the Google Maps page downloads, click on the map to enlarge it. Saint Cecelia’s Church is represented by the letters A and B highlighted in orange on the map. Hold your mouse over the Latter A and left-click on it to generate a “Street View” of Belvidere Street, which brings you right to the church.

Next, pan right on the church and go down Belvidere Street a short way until you come to Saint Cecelia Street, which is a one way street. You can then go down Saint Cecelia Street to view the side of the church. This is the street where the Rev. McGarry was living when he married Patrick and Bridget.

The copy of the marriage record for Patrick J. Menton and Bridget Smith opened up a new enquiry into the genealogy of the Smith family. This is made possible by knowing the first and maiden names of Bridget’s mother, Catherine Mullin.

With this knowledge I went back to the IFHF website to look for the marriage index(s) of Bridget’s parents, and found them. The first index below shows that Thomas Smith and Catherine Mullin were married in the Dysart/Tisrara Catholic Parish, County Roscommon, in 1890:


1 match for the search criteria: Smith (plus variants) Thomas 1890 Parish: DYSART/TISRARA (RC)

Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Smith
First Name: Thomas
Spouse's Surname: Mullin
Spouse's First Name: Catherine
Father's Surname: Smith
Father's First Name: John
Mother's Surname:
Mother's First Name:

Year: 1890

Parish/District: Parish: DYSART/TISRARA (RC)
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The next two indexes, which are civil parish indexes, show the marriage was recorded in Brideswell in 1890. The first index includes the name of Thomas Smith’s father, John. The second index, with Catherine Mullin as the primary partner, shows her father was also named John. I guessed as to what the first names of their fathers were in both indexes, which follow:


1 match for the search criteria: Smith (plus variants) Thomas 1890 Parish: BRIDESWELL (CP)

Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Smith
First Name: Thomas
Spouse's Surname: Mullin
Spouse's First Name: Catherine
Father's Surname: Smith
Father's First Name: John
Mother's Surname:
Mother's First Name:

Year: 1890

Parish/District: Parish: BRIDESWELL (CP)
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1 match for the search criteria: Mullin (plus variants) Catherine Parish: BRIDESWELL (CP)

Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Mullin
First Name: Catherine
Spouse's Surname: Smith
Spouse's First Name: Thomas
Father's Surname: Mullin
Father's First Name: John
Mother's Surname:
Mother's First Name:

Year: 1890

Parish/District: Parish: BRIDESWELL (CP)
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I then found six Brideswell IFHF civil parish birth indexes, as well as six Dysart/Tisrara Catholic Parish baptism indexes for children of Thomas Smith and Catherine Mullin.

To eliminate the guess work as to what the first names of the children were, I went to the 1901 census, as this would list all the children that Thomas and Catherine had between their marriage in 1890 and the 1901 census.

I located Thomas and Catherine Smith and six of their children living in an address of Coolatober, Taghboy, Roscommon. Thomas is shown to be a 40 year old farmer born in County Galway. He is shown to be able to read and write and speak both Irish and English. His 40 year old wife Catherine was born in County Roscommon and could read and write. The oldest child in the household is 10 year old Bridget, born in County Roscommon. She is listed as a scholar who can read and write.

The other five Smith children were also born in County Roscommon. These are 8 year old Margaret; 5 year old John; 4 year old Kate; and 2 year old Matthew.

The 1901 census transcription from the National Archives is below:


1901 Census of Ireland

Residents of a house 21 in Coolatober (Taghboy, Roscommon)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses

Smith Thomas 40 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Galway Farmer Read and write Irish and English Married
Smith Catherine 40 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Read and write Married
Smith Bridget 10 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Scholar Read and write Not Married Smith Margaret 8 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Scholar Read and write Not Married
Smith Patrick 7 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Scholar Read Not Married
Smith John 5 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Cannot read Not Married
Smith Kate 4 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Cannot read Not Married
Smith Matthew 2 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Cannot read Not Married
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To access a copy of the original 1901 census for the Smith family, go to the National Archives link at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003832362/

I found the Brideswell civil parish birth indexes for all the children in the 1901 census except Kate. I’m not sure why her birth wasn’t transcribed by the IFHF staff. The sixth birth index I located was for Bernard, who was born in 1902.

The IFHF Brideswell civil parish birth indexes for Bridget, Margaret, Patrick, John, Matthew, and Bernard follow:


1 match for the search criteria: Smith (plus variants) Brigid 1891 Parish: BRIDESWELL (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Smith
First Name: Brigid
Father's Surname: Smith
Father's First Name: Thomas
Mother's Surname: Mullin
Mother's First Name: Catherine

Year: 1891

Parish/District: BRIDESWELL (CP)
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1 match for the search criteria: Smith (plus variants) Margaret 1892 Parish: BRIDESWELL (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Smith
First Name: Margaret
Father's Surname: Smith
Father's First Name: Thomas
Mother's Surname: Mullin
Mother's First Name: Catherine

Year: 1892

Parish/District: BRIDESWELL (CP)
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1 match for the search criteria: Smith (plus variants) Patrick 1894 Parish: BRIDESWELL (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Smith
First Name: Patrick
Father's Surname: Smith
Father's First Name: Thomas
Mother's Surname: Mullin
Mother's First Name: Catherine

Year: 1894

Parish/District: BRIDESWELL (CP)
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1 match for the search criteria: Smith (plus variants) John 1895 Parish: BRIDESWELL (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Smith
First Name: John
Father's Surname: Smith
Father's First Name: Thomas
Mother's Surname: Mullin
Mother's First Name: Catherine

Year: 1895

Parish/District: BRIDESWELL (CP)
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1 match for the search criteria: Smith (plus variants) Matthew 1899 Parish: BRIDESWELL (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Smith
First Name: Matthew
Father's Surname: Smith
Father's First Name: Thomas
Mother's Surname: Mullin
Mother's First Name: Catherine

Year: 1899

Parish/District: BRIDESWELL (CP)
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1 match for the search criteria: Smith (plus variants) Bernard 1902 Parish: BRIDESWELL (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Smith
First Name: Bernard
Father's Surname: Smith
Father's First Name: Thomas
Mother's Surname: Mullin
Mother's First Name: Catherine

Year: 1902

Parish/District: BRIDESWELL (CP)
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The following are the Dysart/Tisrara baptism indexes for Bridget (1891), Margaret (1892), Patrick (1894), Catherine (1896); and Matthew (1899). I also found what I believe to be John Smith’s 1896 baptism index but the IFHF search engine would not accept John or any other name for the child in the index. After much experimentation, the search engine accepted the initials NR for the first name of the child. The NR was probably added by the IFHF staff, and stands for “Not Recorded.”

One reason the child’s name may not have been recorded is that he was born prematurely, or not expected to live very long. In a case like this parish priest may have gone to the residence of the parents to baptize the child, rather than having the child brought to the church’s baptismal font.

The baptism indexes follow:


1 match for the search criteria: Smith (plus variants) Brigid 1891 Parish: DYSART/TISRARA (RC)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Smith
First Name: Brigid
Father's Surname: Smith
Father's First Name: Thomas
Mother's Surname: Mullin
Mother's First Name: Catherine

Year: 1891

Parish/District: DYSART/TISRARA (RC)
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1 match for the search criteria: Smith (plus variants) Margaret 1892 Parish: DYSART/TISRARA (RC)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Smith
First Name: Margaret
Father's Surname: Smith
Father's First Name: Thomas
Mother's Surname: Mullin
Mother's First Name: Catherine

Year: 1892

Parish/District: DYSART/TISRARA (RC)
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1 match for the search criteria: Smith (plus variants) Patrick 1894 Parish: DYSART/TISRARA (RC)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Smith
First Name: Patrick
Father's Surname: Smith
Father's First Name: Thomas
Mother's Surname: Mullin
Mother's First Name: Catherine

Year: 1894

Parish/District: DYSART/TISRARA (RC)
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1 match for the search criteria: Smith (plus variants) NR 1895 Parish: DYSART/TISRARA (RC)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Smith
First Name: NR
Father's Surname: Smith
Father's First Name: Thomas
Mother's Surname: Mullin
Mother's First Name: Catherine

Year: 1895

Parish/District: DYSART/TISRARA (RC)
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1 match for the search criteria: Smith (plus variants) Catherine 1896 Parish: DYSART/TISRARA (RC)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Smith
First Name: Catherine
Father's Surname: Smith
Father's First Name: Thomas
Mother's Surname: Mullin
Mother's First Name: Catherine

Year: 1896

Parish/District: DYSART/TISRARA (RC)
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1 match for the search criteria: Smith (plus variants) Matthew 1899 Parish: DYSART/TISRARA (RC)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Smith
First Name: Matthew
Father's Surname: Smith
Father's First Name: Thomas
Mother's Surname: Mullin
Mother's First Name: Catherine

Year: 1899

Parish/District: DYSART/TISRARA (RC)
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Instead of ordering the civil parish and church baptism transcriptions individually, you can order all 12 of them from one index. To do this use the % sign as a wild card for the first names. Also, do not include the years of births or baptisms for the children, nor the parish/district where the births and baptisms took place.

The index will look like this:


12 matches for the search criteria: Smith (plus variants) %

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Smith
First Name: %
Father's Surname: Smith
Father's First Name: Thomas
Mother's Surname: Mullin
Mother's First Name: Catherine

Year:

Parish/District:
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What the IFHF birth and baptism indexes as well as the 1901 census show, is that Thomas and Kate Smith had at least 7 children, including Bridget, Margaret, Patrick, John, Catherine/Kate, Matthew, and Bernard.

Next is the 1911 census for the family of Thomas and Kate Smith still living in Coolatober, Taghboy, Roscommon. The census shows that Kate and Thomas had been married for 21 years of 1911, and that in that time period they 7 children, all still living.

The only child missing from the 1911 census is their daughter Bridget:


1911 Census of Ireland


Residents of a house 20 in Coolatober (Taghboy, Roscommon)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living

Smith Thomas 51 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Farmer Read Only Married
Smith Kate 54 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Read and write Married 21 7 7
Smith Margaret 20 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Farmers Son Read and write Single
Smith Patrick 18 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Read and write Single
Smith John 16 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Scholar Read and write
Smith Kate 14 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Scholar Read and write
Smith Mathew 11 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Scholar Read and write
Smith Bernard 9 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Scholar Read and write
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A copy of the original 1911 census for the Smith family can be found in the following National Archives link: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003211848/

When I found the LDS marriage index for Patrick Menton and Bridget Smith in Boston, I also came across another marriage index for a son of Thomas Menton and Catherine Glennon. This is the marriage index for Thomas E. Menton and Bridget M. Norton, who were married in Brookline, Massachusetts on 5 October 1913.

The index shows that Bridget’s parents are Patrick Norton and Mary Donnelly.

The index is below:


"Massachusetts, Marriages, 1841-1915," Thomas E Menton, 1913

Name: Thomas E Menton

Event: Marriage
Event Date: 05 Oct 1913
Event Place: Brookline, , Massachusetts

Gender: Male
Age: 28
Marital Status:
Race:
Birth Date: 1885
Birthplace: , , Ireland

Marriage Registration Year:
Marriage Registration Place: Brookline, , Massachusetts
Estimated Birth Year: 1885

Father: Thomas Menton
Mother: Catherine Glennon

Spouse: Bridget M Norton

Spouse's Father: Patrick Norton
Spouse's Mother: Mary Donnelly

Record Number: 2075
Film Number: 2409946
Digital Folder Number: 4329371
Image Number: 00136
Number of Images: 1

Source Citation
"Massachusetts, Marriages, 1841-1915," index and images, FamilySearch
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N46J-7B7 :
accessed 07 Aug 2012), Thomas E Menton and Bridget M Norton, 1913.
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A copy of the original marriage record for Thomas E. Menton and Bridget Norton can be found at the National Archives link at: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11694-65822-40?...

The marriage record shows that Thomas at the time of his marriage was working as a bar tender, and that 28 year old Bridget, born in Ireland, was working as a cook. The parish priest who married the couple was Michael T. McManus, of 5 Linden Place, Brookline.

To view a Google Map of Linden Place, Brookline, go to: http://tinyurl.com/9cel48d

Once at the map left-click on the letter A to generate a street view of Linden Street. Click on the Street View and you’ll be taken to Linden Street. Follow the arrows down Linden Street and you’ll come to Saint Mary of the Assumption Catholic Church located on Linden and Harvard Streets. I believe this was the church where Thomas and Bridget were married.

The marriage record for Thomas E. Menton and Bridget Norton shows that Bridget’s parents were Patrick Norton and Mary Donnelly. With this information I looked for Patrick and Mary’s marriage index at the IFHF website and found it. The index shows they were married in the Ballybay Catholic Church, County Roscommon, in 1864.

The index follows:


1 match for the search criteria: Norton (plus variants) Patrick 1863 Parish: BALLYBAY (RC)

Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Norton
First Name: Patrick
Spouse's Surname: Donnelly
Spouse's First Name: Mary
Father's Surname:
Father's First Name:
Mother's Surname:
Mother's First Name:

Year: 1863

Parish/District: Parish: BALLYBAY (RC)
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I then located the Brideswell, Roscommon Catholic Church baptisms for seven children of Patrick Norton and Mary Donnelly. These children include Mary (1864); Michael (1866); Patrick (1867); Catherine (1870); Michael (1878); Margaret (1880); and Brigid (1883), who would be the future wife of Thomas E. Menton.

If you access the baptism indexes individually, make sure to spell Brigid’s name as Brigid, rather than Bridget, or the IFHF search engine will not accept the entry.

You’ll noticed that Patrick and Mary had one son named Michael baptized in 1866, and one son named Michael baptized in 1878. This indicates that the first-born Michael had died.

The indexes follow:


1 match for the search criteria: Norton (plus variants) Mary 1864 Parish: BRIDESWELL (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Norton
First Name: Mary
Father's Surname: Norton
Father's First Name: Patrick
Mother's Surname: Donnelly
Mother's First Name: Mary

Year: 1864

Parish/District: BRIDESWELL (CP)
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1 match for the search criteria: Norton (plus variants) Michael 1866 Parish: BRIDESWELL (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Norton
First Name: Michael
Father's Surname: Norton
Father's First Name: Patrick
Mother's Surname: Donnelly
Mother's First Name: Mary

Year: 1866

Parish/District: BRIDESWELL (CP)
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1 match for the search criteria: Norton (plus variants) Patrick 1867 Parish: BRIDESWELL (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Norton
First Name: Patrick
Father's Surname: Norton
Father's First Name: Patrick
Mother's Surname: Donnelly
Mother's First Name: Mary

Year: 1867

Parish/District: BRIDESWELL (CP)
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1 match for the search criteria: Norton (plus variants) Catherine 1870 Parish: BRIDESWELL

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Norton
First Name: Catherine
Father's Surname: Norton
Father's First Name: Patrick
Mother's Surname: Donnelly
Mother's First Name: Mary

Year: 1870

Parish/District: BRIDESWELL (CP)
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1 match for the search criteria: Norton (plus variants) Michael 1878 Parish: BRIDESWELL (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Norton
First Name: Michael
Father's Surname: Norton
Father's First Name: Patrick
Mother's Surname: Donnelly
Mother's First Name: Mary

Year: 1878

Parish/District: BRIDESWELL (CP)
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1 match for the search criteria: Norton (plus variants) Margaret 1880 Parish: BRIDESWELL (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Norton
First Name: Margaret
Father's Surname: Norton
Father's First Name: Patrick
Mother's Surname: Donnelly
Mother's First Name: Mary

Year: 1880

Parish/District: BRIDESWELL (CP)
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1 match for the search criteria: Norton (plus variants) Brigid 1883 Parish: BRIDESWELL (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Norton
First Name: Brigid
Father's Surname: Norton
Father's First Name: Patrick
Mother's Surname: Donnelly
Mother's First Name: Mary

Year: 1883

Parish/District: BRIDESWELL (CP)
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You can order all 7 baptism transcriptions from one index by accessing the index as you see it below. Do not include the first names of the children. In the first name box use the % wild card. Also do not include the years of birth for the children.

The index will look like this:


7 matches for the search criteria: Norton (plus variants) % Parish: BRIDESWELL (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Roscommon
Surname: Norton
First Name: %
Father's Surname: Norton
Father's First Name: Patrick
Mother's Surname: Donnelly
Mother's First Name: Mary

Year:

Parish/District: BRIDESWELL (CP)
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If you go over the baptism indexes above you’ll notice there is a gap of 8 years between the baptism of Catherine Norton in 1870 and Michael Norton in 1878. I found no birth or baptism index for children of Patrick Norton and Mary Donnelly between these years, though it is possible they had more children between 1870 and 1878.

Best Wishes Jacqueline,

Dave Boylan
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