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Re: John ROACH b. c1824 & Mary Annie CURLEY b. c1824

AnnetteCode — 2013-05-06 13:06:33Z

Good luck with your further research. Liverpool was known as the second capitol of Ireland!! Annette

Re: John ROACH b. c1824 & Mary Annie CURLEY b. c1824

GlenysSavage_44 — 2013-05-06 12:26:32Z

Many thanks Annette.

Ann ROACH d. 27 Nov 1852 on board the Shackamaxon and was bd. at sea, aged 1 year. The Shackamaxon left from Liverpool on 4 Oct 1852. Ann's parents are John ROACH & Mary Annie nee CURLEY. I have not found a marriage for them but I have found a birth in Sep 1851 for an Ann ROACH in Wem, Shropshire where there were many Irish folk on the 1851 census. see 1851 census; film 4298920, frame 00113 (John ROACH at bottom of page and Mary Annie ROACH on next page). Both state they are born in Ireland, and aged 26 years. Wem is not that far from Liverpool.
John and Mary Annie ROACH had further issue after their arrival in South Australia: Thomas, John, Francis, Wingfield, Ann(2), Ellen, Charles Wingfield and William Henry.
(Have found a Francis CURLEY in ANNACRIVEY, he may or may not be of interest).

Glenys

Re: John ROACH b. c1824 & Mary Annie CURLEY b. c1824

AnnetteCode — 2013-05-05 05:47:45Z

Ireland is tough due to big gaps in census substitutes, most
census till 1901/1911 were destroyed. Is Wicklow the right county? The year 1853 is the year of the Griffith Valuation in Wicklow so anyoneof the family left behind would be listed.
Sounds as though the couple didn't leave together if she had siblings born in S.Auz. so she must of gone to Auz. with parents.

Many, many orphans were sent to Australia?

There are few references to the name Curley:

Tithe Applotments 1823-1837 www.genealogy.nationalarchives.ie

John Curly 1832 Parish Wicklow, Upper Ballyduff

By 1853 Upper Ballyduff is listed as a townland in the Parish of Killiskey in the Union of Rathdrum.

The only memorial for the name Curly was an Alice Curly
her married name. Buried in Baltinglass Abbey (N.W. of Parish Wicklow a good distance. The Memorial was put up by her father George Neile. She died 17 July 1873 age 74.

There are Curley in Co. Wicklow Griffith Valuation in 1853
see www.askaboutireland.ie

Patrick, Parish Bray; Francis Glenealy; Mathew Rathnew

I checked the name Roach which is appearing in Griffith's spelled as Roche whereas on the Cantwell Memorial Inscriptions it is spelled both ways depending on the person.

Do you have the names of James and Mary Annie's children.
That maybe a clue!

Wicklow baptism and marriage records are on line with
a History Foundation, however, the name John Roach is quite common but you may have luck with Curley. Dates of records will depend on the parish.

The RC Wicklow parish records with the Foundation 1747-1754 gap to 1776-1900. This is a pay website.

Annette Code

Re: John ROACH b. c1824 & Mary Annie CURLEY b. c1824

AnnetteCode — 2013-05-05 05:46:06Z

John ROACH b. c1824 & Mary Annie CURLEY b. c1824

GlenysSavage_44 — 2013-05-05 00:35:16Z

The info I have is from their shipping record: John ROACH b.c1824 & Mary Annie CURLEY b. c1824 arr. Port Adelaide South Australia on the Shackamaxon on 19 Jan 1853 from Co. Wicklow.
From their headstone at Kapunda cemetery (South Australia) I learn that Ann b.c1851 was buried at sea on 27 Nov 1852; she had siblings who were born in South Australia.
How/where do I go for further info re this family?
TIA, Glenys

Re: Fitzwilliams of Arklow Co.Wicklow.

daragleeson — 2013-05-04 09:46:57Z

Malcolm,

Just a minor correction. Mary Fitzwilliam who died on 23rd September 1893 was not married. She was just gone 18 when she died from 'simple fever'. Her sister Rose Browne was present at death at 10 Main Street Arklow. Her occupation is stated to be daughter of a carman.

In 1865 according his son's death record Patrick Fitzwilliam was a fisherman.

Michael G

Regards,

Michael

Re: Fitzwilliams of Arklow Co.Wicklow.

daragleeson — 2013-05-04 07:10:17Z

Hugh Fitzwilliam married Rose Reynolds in Arklow on 1st November 1824. They had 5 children, Thomas (1825), Mary (1827), Jane (1828), James (1830)and Patrick (1832).

Thomas Fitzwilliam married Elizabeth Stafford 1862 but I do not have a record of children.

Mary Fitzwilliam married James Brien in 1856. They are my wife's Great grandparents X 2. They had 7 children.

I have no further details on Jane Fitzwilliam. I did not find a marriage for her.

James Fitzwilliam married Ellen Kinsella 1857 and they had 5 children,James, Rose, Jane, Rose again and Mary. I do not have ant further information on them.

Patrick Fitzwilliam married Catherine aka Kate McCabe. They had 8 children but some of them died young. Descendants include Brownes, Gaules, Rollason in Birming England Etc.

My email address is daragleeson@eircom.net and I can let you have further information.

Regards,

Michael Gleeson
Wicklow

Re: Browne's of Arklow.

daragleeson — 2013-05-03 22:47:37Z

Malcolm, I have a small amount of info on the Browne family. you may email me at daragleeson@eircom.net

Re: Fitzpatrick Family

grahamvlarken — 2013-04-30 19:30:16Z

Hi Annette, Many thanks for posting the information regarding the Fitzpatrick family. I sent for a copy of Denis Fitzpatrick's marriage certificate and he was in fact married in the Catholic church in Coolafancy Wicklow, in the Registrars District of Coollatin. He was a Tailor and was living in Carnew, but his brides father was James Kilbride a Labourer from Croneyhorn, which I believe was part of the Coollatin Estate. I traced him through the Griffiths Valuation record to be renting land from Thomas De Renzy. This is all proving very interesting. So I have much more investigating to do! Many thanks again.
Catherine.

Re: Lawrence/Farrar/Hutton/Hopkins Grey County

AnnetteCode — 2013-04-30 15:01:25Z

The name Lawrence & Hopkins was common on the Estate of Coollattin, Wicklow both as tenants and there was a Lawrence who was an Estate Agent for Earl of Fitzwilliam.
Many from this Estate of 95,000 acres, many parish's and townlands went to Upper Canada/Ontario.

www.genealogy.nationalarchives.ie

Hutton all Parish Moyne which was also on the estate
2 x Thomas, 2 x William (could be 2/two people or two
properties)

1837 a John Farrar, Coolroe and Joseph Farrar Tinahely signed a petition

Laurence, John of Slievroe, Thomas of Slieveroe as well as Harry signed this petition. There are 8 signatures in all.
These at one time were sent to a Hopkins in Canada

Richard Hutton, Moyne, John Hutton of Moyne as well as a Thomas Hutton of Sleacoil signed the petition

The families that stayed in Ireland would be in the 1853
Griffith Valuation of Wicklow www.askaboutireland.

If you go to www.bytown.net you will find some Hopkins
records

There are some passenger lists for persons who were
helped to emigrate with fares paid by Earl Fitzwilliam
on Rootsweb.

Not sure what you are looking for information wise?

Annette Code

Re: Dennis Brady in Calary

AnnetteCode — 2013-04-30 14:42:49Z

www.genealogy.nationalarchives.ie 1823-1837

The only name present in either the Parish Calary or the Townland Calary in the Parish of Kilmacanoge are the
Keenan's. These are those first names.

Michael, Parish Calary, Townland Knockraheen

Patrick, Parish Kilmacanoge, Townland Lower Calary

2xPatrick, Chris & Chrisn, William, Daniel,

No Scollon or Scallan or Keenan's.

Birth records for Wicklow are available on line through
a History Foundation.

A burial record for a Rosana Brady, Glendalough-Seven churches, nothing for other names

Calary is a Parish and a townland in the Poor Law Union or Civil Registration District of Rathdrum (within 12 mi)

1853: Wicklow underwent the Griffith Valuation
www.askaboutireland.ie

No Denis Brady, 50 others.No McJames.
there is a George Scallan, Parish Kilcoole Union Rathdrum
also an Elizabeth Scallan, Parish Preban.

www.census.nationalarchives.ie 1901/1911 Census

3 Scollon's in the Irish phone book, none Wicklow-Dublin

3 Scallan's in Wicklow

60+ Brady's 5 in Kilmacanogue, 5 in Kilcoole and also
Rathdrum

13 Keenan, Kilcoole, and others in close proximaty

Annette Code

Re: Fitzpatrick Family

AnnetteCode — 2013-04-30 13:05:04Z

A suggestion that you write or phone the two Fitzpatrick's still living on what was the Coollatin Estates in S.W.
Wicklow. 1 Deerpark, Shillelagh and the other Ballingate,
Carnew. Both addresses in the book are suitable for mail delivery.

A few years ago was in touch with someone searching
Fitzpatrick's from the Estate but no recent postings on the Wicklow board.

In 1837 a petition was signed by tenants of the Estate
that asked to have the Assize Court moved from Baltinglass to Shillelagh.

John Fitzpatrick, Ballyconnell
James Fitzpatrick, Carnew (my husband's family of Codd's also Bullingate, Carnew)

Tomacork was the Catholic church in the region built by the Earl Fitzwilliam. He also built schools for both religions as well.

I also have a letter from 1500 tenants to Earl FW dated 1837.This was to wish the new Earl good tidings and to also ask him to slow down the amalgamation of lands an 'exercise'
by a new Estate Manager. Many of the 'good' tenants were leaving in a voluntary manner to go to Canada, these paid their own way and were generally Church of Ireland. By 1845 passages were being paid by the Estate, houses torn down or leases given to those staying.

You can see pictures of the 'big house' at Coollatin on line it is now part of the golf course.

I have a number of leases collected from the National Library in the collection for Coollattin.I will check and see if there are any Fitzpatrick's in the mix.

The Cantwell Memorial Inscriptions from gravestones
have surprisingly few Fitzpatrick's (15)but only collected those to 1900 or in family groupings. No Philips, none for Tomacork but other RC.

Annette Code
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Re: Wm.Evans, Ballycane,Wicklow prior to 1730

AnnetteCode — 2013-04-30 03:00:56Z

I went through various resources, Index of Wills, Wills & Grants etc. the only William Evans early were in Dublin, Roscrea Tipperary, none for Wicklow.

Cantwell Memorial Inscriptions:
William Evans, Newbridge (now Ovoca/Avoca)Wicklow
died 26 Dec 1888 age 84.

Eves, Old Delgany

Zechariah Eves, Old Delgany d Nov 20, 1774 age 38
Jonathan Eves, Old Delgany d May 10, 1748 age 63

Delgany is in the Union of Rathnew, between the Union of
Rathdrum and Dublin.

Griffith Valuation: 1853 place names: Show
Ballykean, Annesley,
Ballykean, Penrose,
Ballykean Stringer
in the Union of Rathdrum in the Parish of Redcross.
Also a place called Cooladang was a Townland in the Parish of Redcross, Union of Rathrum.

Eaves, James Parish Kilcoole, Rathdrum Union (within 12 mi)

Parish records for Redcross start 1830, Rathdrum 1706 and
Delgany 1698. These can be found online with a History
Foundation, not for profit but fee paying.

The house Ballykean (Penrose) is still standing and can be found on www.buildingsofireland.ie built 1780

I understand Quaker records were part of the Church of Ireland originally as baptisms and marriages took place there. Church of Ireland has its own Representative Libraries that have the actual Parish Registers to 1899.
There is nothing better than these for connecting families.

The National Library (www.nli.ie) has collections for some of the Estates in Wicklow. Not sure about this area. Certainly the Earl of Fitzwilliam who had 95,000 acres in Wicklow has memoranda, rental books etc. going back to the 1600's. Redcross appears to be the Earl of Wicklow as the main landowner.

The Registry of Deeds for Evans and Eves is mostly other
counties, Kilkenny, Tipperary and Dublin.None for Wicklow

Annette Code

Re: Wm.Evans, Ballycane,Wicklow prior to 1730

jlkwood — 2013-04-29 18:37:43Z

Thank you for your assist.

Re: Wm.Evans, Ballycane,Wicklow prior to 1730

simonjhussey — 2013-04-29 13:36:12Z

Ballycane metioned is Ballykean Penrose at Ballykean House near Redcross Co Wicklow. the Quaker reference is correct and refers to a Quaker friends meeting house that was and is still there

Re: HILL Family Co Wicklow

rosalie_hill80 — 2013-04-27 12:34:42Z

Hi Sharon

Do you happen to have any information on John HILL or Elizabeth WILLS, such as their date of birth or who their parents were? I understand they were from England I think and then came over to Ireland. Any information would be helpful.

Rosalie

Re: Kavanagh James and Pearson/Peirson Julia of Wicklow Ireland abt 1835

knoxster925 — 2013-04-26 19:42:10Z

many thanks Annette for all the info. I will work through it and see if I make a break through
All the best
Susan

Re: Arklow Parish Records

garybrendan95 — 2013-04-25 19:20:09Z

HI there not sure if we ever spoke or contacted you I have contacted so many sri. Just wondering how come your looking for info on Cotton and McLean as Cotton of Arklow is in our family thanks Brendan

Re: Kavanagh James and Pearson/Peirson Julia of Wicklow Ireland abt 1835

AnnetteCode — 2013-04-25 13:09:01Z

There was mining in Wicklow, copper and also gold at one time.

Avoca/Ovoca.... was at one time a mining town, nothing like modern mining. I am sure you can find websites about mining in Wicklow. Tigroney is another name in Wicklow where there was mining. Avoca is now famous for the Handweavers and being the site of the TV show Ballykissangel. Avoca was in the Union of Rathdrum. There are two churches there.

Wicklow County has its birth and marriage records on line with an Irish History Foundation. Not for profit but fee paying like most genealogy in Ireland.

If RC then Avoca Parish has records from 1792-1900 for baptisms and 1778-1900 for marriages.

There are both Pearson and Kavanagh's listed in
the Tithe Applotments 1723-1837: www.genealogy.nationalarchives.ie

Not sure your particular family of miners would be listed as the mine probably had its own cottages for employees. Although I have been there it would of been quite remote in its day and a long walk from anywhere.

Griffith Valuation 1853 www.askaboutireland.ie

There are hundreds of Kavanagh's in Wicklow, much fewer Pearson's and she is most likely the one you can find easily in the Foundation's data base with the mother's name.
Also her second son may have her father's name.

If you can't find the Foundation by googling you can
contact me for the website. Rootsweb has policies about
giving out Pay websites. codeannette@yahoo.ca

Annette Code

Re: Mary Counsell

SAC112750 — 2013-04-25 12:22:56Z

Thank you. My Mary Counsell was born in 1830. I have no idea if this may be a connection backward or not but I will save it and try to go backward some more. I appreciate your help!

Re: Mary Counsell

chris49burchett — 2013-04-25 07:10:43Z

I have been looking at a bible in my family's possession and it has copperplate printed entries, as follows:

Mary Counsell married 12 July 1770

Thomas Griffith Counsell born 25 March 1772

Mary Ann Counsell born 29 May 1773.

I believe my father purchased the bible in the 1920s/30s when he established a private lending library in Ballarat, Victoria, Australia.

Chris

Kavanagh James and Pearson/Peirson Julia of Wicklow Ireland abt 1835

knoxster925 — 2013-04-25 02:24:07Z

I am reposting an old message of mine with some minor additions in the hope that I can make a break through with these elusive ancestors. They were married 1856 in Bonmahon Waterford all their children were baptised there. James was a miner (possibly copper mines). They died in Doyle St Waterford 1904 & 1912. The Waterford 1901 & 1911 census shows they were born in Wicklow abt 1835-42. Julia's mother Ann Pearson b 1806 widow of a miner also died in Waterford aged 66.
Hope that someone can help
regards

Re: McDermotts in Co Wicklow

dunnparklane — 2013-04-18 23:03:53Z

Please send me an e mail re the McDermotts and the Reillys of Cloon,Co.Wicklow. The McDermotts were from same area in Wicklow.

Re: Dennis REDMOND b. County Wicklow 1805

cindyphillipsmay — 2013-04-18 20:41:07Z

This is an old thread, so you may well have the information by now. But in case you don't:

Jacob Horter Bechtel was married to Margaret Sarah Bechtel
born: 1825
died: 1909

That's all I have ;)

Re: Finlay, Hawkins - Donard/Glenn of Imaal area

MGibson10 — 2013-04-18 18:45:13Z

Hi Gail, I am also of the Finlay line. Thomas Finlay, born in Londonderry was married to Ann Smith. He was piked to death on Balinabaney Bridge, Glen of Imall, in 1798. You are right all the records are in Donaghamore Church. My gr.gr.gr.grandmother was Catherine Finlay daughter of Thomas and Ann. Catherine married William 'Billy' Eager and brought the name Germaine into the Eagers the name was also in several other families from marriages to Finlays, such as Hawkins and Wilsons. I have a Thomas in my tree born 1803 I do not have Thomas 1811. I am in Ireland and my email address in stargibson@gmail.com if you want to get in touch.

Re: Brannagan/Wicklow

AnnetteCode — 2013-04-18 15:15:03Z

1815 date, look to the Tithe Applotments 1823-1837 for early inhabitants
www.genealogy.nationalarchives.ie

Wicklow County baptisms and marriages are on line.
This is a not for profit Irish History Foundation but fees are required. You can contact me for the website
if you can't locate it. codeannette@yahoo.ca

In the Cantwell Memorial Inscription from Gravestones there are Brangan's all of Parish Kilcommon/Kilcummin/Kincolman
names are:Andrew, Catherine, Elizabeth, Ellenor, John, Thomas and William. If you want these let me know and I will transcribe.

Annette Code

ps There are so many gaps in Irish records about 50 years for the Tithes-Griffith-1901 Census, Its a wonder we find anything.

There are 2 Brannigans in Bray Wicklow in the phone book for Wicklow.2 Brangans in Ashford, Co. Wicklow.

Re: James or James-Hope family of Urelands, near Carnew, County Wicklow

michaelhanley911 — 2013-04-16 13:36:04Z

Brian,

Nothing much to add except to say I just returned from Ireland and UK and met a guy in the hotel in Dublin who was from Kiltely Co Wexford. His name was Noel Fitzhenry and his family came over to Wexford with the Norman Strongbow in 1190. The place where he lives is the next townland over from Ballycrystal and he knew all about Woodmont but nothing about the James family. He did say that there is a gentleman in the house called Bingham and that he has a museum of sorts therein. I am now in contact with Fitzhenry by email and will let you know if he comes up with anything.

Cheers

Mike

Re: john tomkins bC1848 in Co Wicklow, Ireland

AnnetteCode — 2013-04-09 14:47:08Z

Hard to tell who this was intended for but I got a notice.
Is there anything I can do for you?

Annette Code

Re: Sutton/Chamney

coetting57 — 2013-04-09 13:40:46Z

Annette,
Yes I have been reading to understand what or who the "1649 Officers" were that John Wakefield was on the list on printed in O'Harts The Landed Gentry when Cromwell Came to Ireland. I have noted from Charles II's Irish Caviliers: the 1649 Officers and the Restoration land settlement that the '49 Officers were royalist, totally opposed to the parliamenterian ideology of Oliver Cromwell. The '49 Officers is a label specifically given to those Protestant Royalist who had supported Charles II or his father in Ireland. they supported the monarchy against the Catholic insurgents, later they served the monarchy against the republiclican threat that emerged from the second British Civil War in 1648." Their service ended when Charles I was executed or June 1649-hence their label. So yes they did not serve Cromwell but have been in many histories confused with parlimentarian officers of Cromwell. When Charles II came back from exile he wanted to make sure these loyal officers were paid for their service to CharlesI-1641-1649-Cromwell definitely would not pay them since they were totally opposed to the parliamenterian ideology.
I believe you pointed out in your email what Cromwell is known for-genocide and is listed this way in history books for his deeds. But I believe it started a little sooner than with Cromwell-the removal began with Ulster Plantation.
I know this is not about the family listed I have been looking at the areas listed for land grants given in several books and at this site on the Cromwellian Settlement (this is what the home page for this site calls it) there is a Census & Down Survey by William Petty in preparation for transplantation http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/maps/petty_maps.htm There were other counties included for land grants so I went to these counties-did a search for Cromwell and this thread is one that came up. I thought maybe someone knew of records like those for Clare County-and they do have lands shown in trust for the '49 Officers. The trustees also swindled of course and not all the '49 Officers rec'd land grants. So I also believe the '49 Officers shouldn't be listed as Cromwellian soldiers but that is what is being done in the family histories for John Wakefield.
That site shows the records that has preserved many records for surnames and geneology. The history for Cromwell is there and the acts concerning the land grants is at the home page. I hope the site address works and you visit it.
Thanks for your great replies!
Cindy

Re: Sutton/Chamney

MGibson10 — 2013-04-08 16:31:47Z

Annette Code, I had heard of Cromwell Settlers when I visited one of the Langrells in Wicklow he said to me they were probably Cromwell settlers. I have just found a connection to William 111 on my Hinch side. There was a Hinch several times gr.grandfather married to a granddaughter of John DeWitt grand pensionary of Holland and guardian of William 111. Information found in an old letter.

Re: Sutton/Chamney

AnnetteCode — 2013-04-08 15:09:21Z

Just back from holidays and checking the emails and found this. Although I haven't commented lately I receive an alert.

I had never heard of Cromwell Settlers as a term used to described the division of lands in Ireland to either officers or supporters from the Cromwell invasion of Ireland. It makes him sound less like the murdering soldier he and his supporters were.

My husband's family also served, Osberg Codd and probably received lands in payment of services rendered in Wexford.

I think of settlers as the farmers 'Plantations' of English, Scots and the Welsh who came to farm the land for the Gentry and Aristocrats.

Some of the Codd families moved up to Wicklow and the Shillelagh/Aghold Parish/and surrounds on the Earl Fitzwilliam Estate "Coollattin" some of whom came to (Upper)Canada about 1820-1832.

Annette Code

Re: john tomkins bC1848 in Co Wicklow, Ireland

janmurphy171 — 2013-04-05 07:03:45Z

I am sorry that I didn't see your notice earlier, Charles Tomkins and Mary Byrne were my great grandparents. My grandmother was their daughter Maureen (Mary). I would be interested in sharing information. Jan

Re: Fitzpatrick Family

grahamvlarken — 2013-03-30 20:43:45Z

Hi Colette

Once again many thanks for the information, I certainly have some leads now. I live in England, but have distant family in Ireland.

Many thanks.

Catherine

Re: Fitzpatrick Family

dancer1951 — 2013-03-29 21:16:22Z

You're very welcome Catherine. If and when you get Denis's marriage cert, come back to the list with the info, and no doubt we'll be able to help you further.

In the meantime, this looks like your g-grandmother's death cert:

Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958
Name: Bridget Kilbride
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1909
Death Age: 90
Registration district: Shillelagh
Death Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 705
FHL Film Number: 0101604

It might be interesting to get this cert too to see where Bridget was living, and who the informant of her death was.

I don't know where in Shillelagh & with whom she might have been buried, but ask the question in another message to the Wicklow Board. You're lucky that Kilbride is quite an unusual name. (By the way, there is also a place called KILBRIDE in Co. Wicklow).

Here's a site that you might be interested in http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/wicklow/index.htm. And this http://homepage.eircom.net/~genbruce/MyGenealogy/Genealogy8W...

There are only 4 KILBRIDE's in Wicklow (ref Griffiths Valuation) so I imagine one of them must be the husband of Bridget http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation, therefore one of your g-grandfather's. 3 Kilbride's lived in Carnew.

Are you living in Ireland, or elsewhere?

Regards
Colette

Re: Michael Judd and Anne Byrne

lexie1b — 2013-03-29 06:11:41Z

Thank you, I will try that site.

Re: Fitzpatrick Family

grahamvlarken — 2013-03-28 20:12:29Z

Hi Colette

Thankyou so much for the information you have given me, it has certainly given me some leads to carry forward. I was considering giving up my research on that side of my family as I could see no way forward.

Thankyou again.
Catherine

Re: Michael Judd and Anne Byrne

dancer1951 — 2013-03-28 19:54:45Z

try this www.irishgenealogy.ie

Re: Michael Judd and Anne Byrne

dancer1951 — 2013-03-28 19:54:01Z

try this link http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

Re: Fitzpatrick Family

dancer1951 — 2013-03-28 19:26:35Z

Hi Catherine
On the 1901 census, your James Fitzpatrick, aged 24, is living in Cronyhorn Lower with his mother HENRIETTA (widow) nee Kilbride, his grandmother BRIDGET KILBRIDE (widow) aged 86 + sister Annetta + Farrell cousins. The youngest Farrell - Ellin, aged 1 - is the g-grand daughter of BRIDGET KILBRIDE.

Obviously, then, Denis died pre April 1901.

HANNAH FITZPATRICK is also on the 1911 census with daughter Annie + grandaughter Ellin Farrell + brother Michael Kilbride.

You may already have the Civil Marriage details for Denis Fitzpatrick to ANNE KILBRIDE, but just in case you haven't, here they are:

Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958
Name: Denis Fitzpatrick
Date of Registration: 1869
Registration district: Shillelagh
Volume: 17
Page Number: 967
FHL Film Number: 101251

This cert will give you their fathers' names.

When you have Denis's father's name, you can, if you wish, check for his baptism on IFHF (pay site). If Philip was their first son, perhaps the father of Denis was also Philip.

If wonder if this is him?

Griffiths Valuation Record Information

Tenant
Family Name 1 FITZPATRICK
Forename 1 PHILIP
Landlord
Family Name 2 FITZWILLIAM
Forename 2 EARL
Location
County WICKLOW
Barony SHILLELAGH
Union SHILLELAGH
Parish CARNEW
Townland CARNEW
Place Name COOLATTIN ROW
Place Type OTHER
Publication Details
Position on Page 4
Printing Date 1853
Act 15&16
Sheet Number 47
Map Reference 48 4

Happy hunting!
Colette

Re: Michael Judd and Anne Byrne

lexie1b — 2013-03-28 19:10:08Z

I have tried go into the link you sent me and it keeps giving mr an error message.

Re: Does place "Dunbur, County Wicklow" exist

GaryChapman54 — 2013-03-27 17:23:16Z

Hi Jason,

I think we've already corresponded several times. I'm always interested in new leads and theories and documentation of our Chapman line before Benjamin(1784-1858) and his in-laws John and Martha (Stringer) Richardson.
I did get to Wicklow some years back and explored most of County Wicklow, including Wicklow Town,Dunbur area, Three-Mile Water, Magherabeg, Red Cross, Dunganstown, Kilbride,and spent a day walking the Wicklow Way from Roundwood to Glendalough and back.

Re: Does place "Dunbur, County Wicklow" exist

JasonChapman1971 — 2013-03-27 06:23:12Z

Hello, Yes we may be related. My username on Ancestry.com is JasonChapman1971
Feel free to contact me. :)

Fitzpatrick Family

grahamvlarken — 2013-03-26 20:37:26Z

Hi
I am wondering if anyone can help me with information regarding my great grandfather Denis Fitzpatrick. I know he married Hannah Kilbride in 1869 in Tomacork parish church. They went on to have 5 children Philip 1871, Mary 1873, Rosannah 1875, James 1877 and Annetta 1880. I have been unable to find a birth or death for him. I believe they lived in Croneyhorn Carnew.Their son James (my grandfather) married Elizabeth Murphy in Kilrush in 1911.Any information would be much appreciated.
Regards
Catherine

Re: Sutton/Chamney

coetting57 — 2013-03-25 12:38:43Z

Thanks for your reply. Yes I have looked at the Tithe Appointment books and yes there are Wakefields. I am not sure how they relate. John Wakefield, the Cromwellian soldier, was the father of Dr. Albert Wakefield who rec'd land in the 1690's for his service as physician to the King-in Galway County-Battle of Aughrim. This is the family estate my ancestor who came to America lists as the birthplace for his father, himself, and his son. I just cannot figure out where his father John Wakefield settled!
Thanks again. I thought maybe since I ran across records at the site I previously mentioned for Cromewellian settlement in Clare county maybe there was a survey and source for Wicklow. Cindy

Re: Plant family, Castleruddry, Donoughmore, Co. Wicklow

essiebee7 — 2013-03-24 18:09:37Z

My maternal granny was a Plant before marriage. I have my great grandfather, Andrew Plant's, wedding certificate dated 18 June 1981. This shows that his father wss Robert Plant. They were Catholics and g-grandfather's place of residence was Killamoate which is where Rathdangan church is.

So I'm guessing we are relatives via a shared great great grandfather, Robert Plant. Unfortunately I've come to a bit of a deadend now but from my mother, who is 93, I know that her mother used to visit relatives in Kelshamore over the back of Keadeen Mtn, towards the Glen, who I suspect would have been aunts or uncles.

What I'm trying to find out is when our line decided to convert. By all accounts, the Protestant Plants of Imaal were reasonably well to do.

I believe there are Catholic Plants from Donoghmore in the Dunlavin parish records dating back to 1815 although I'm saying this from using secondary sources rather than the parish register itself.

This means that whoever converted would have done so at a very difficult time for Catholics with the Penal Laws still in force. They would have lost all title to land.

I'm fascinated by whoever took this huge step. Any information at all on which Plant converted to Catholicism, and when, and even why, would be very welcome.

Re: Sutton/Chamney

lexie1b — 2013-03-24 14:57:47Z

I received a rather scattered e-mail from a cousin with few dates on them. It goes way back to the 1500s where a relative named Ambrose Judd was listed as a Quaker. I haven't researched that far back yet but started with my great grandfather Michael Judd and it looks like a lot of the Judd's landed in Bray and Wicklow. Having a great deal of trouble going backwards from there because the names are so common. If you'd like, I can send you some of the dates from way back that I haven't searched yet. I also have a great website for County Wicklow.

Re: BROUGH Wicklow & Carlow

johntyner2001 — 2013-03-23 16:10:17Z

hi susie. have we been in touch before? i am related to constantine brough's descendants through his daughter elizabeth harriet brough born in 1822 in Ireland.

Re: Sutton/Chamney

MGibson10 — 2013-03-23 15:38:05Z

Sorry I do not know of any records for Cromwells settlers. The Tithe Applotment books can be looked up for free as can Griffiths Valuations. The Tithe Applotments books covered a survey carried on landowners in 1823 for to rule how much tax should be paid to the church.

You can search them at www.naionalarchives.ie
You will find Wakefields there. There were also a lot of Wakefields in Northern Ireland listed in the Griffiths Valuations. Hope this helps.

Re: Sutton/Chamney

coetting57 — 2013-03-23 15:04:32Z

this really doesn't have to do with Sutton/Chamney family but rather my family research in Ireland that stems from Cromwell's army or that period. I noticed your name on a few of the posts for another family that stems from the period of Cromwell. So I have a question-how did you figure out the county in Ireland where your ancestors settled after serving Cromwell? I have an ancestor listed in the book "The Irish landed gentry when Cromwell came to Ireland-a listing of the "Forty Nine" Officers begins on page 372 and my ancestor John Wakefield is listed on page 409. From the book "Cromwell in Ireland, a history of Cromwell's Irish Campaign" by Denis Murphy, pages 211-259 explain the Forty Nine Officers-and for an arreats related to payment for service in the military June 1644-June 5, 1649, they were granted land in Ireland for their service. On page 211 it lists the counties of Donegal, Longford, and Wicklow as being the counties where land was assigned to them. However during my research I find some info from James Frost Book of Forfeitures and Distributions at http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/history/cromwell_se... -I am not sure this site address is working but from the address I am sure you can go to the County Clare Library and the surveys are at this site for the Baronies-parishes. I found some that were assigned to a Capt Wm Hamilton, as trustee for the '49 officers, in County Clare. Not listed in the prior reference! So I have been trying very hard to determine where John Wakefield was assigned land for his service-his son gotr a grant of land in the 1690's that is found-but I cannot figure out where John Wakefield settled in Ireland and thought you might be able to shed some light on where to look for Cromwell's settlement records? Thanks. coetting57@hotmail.com
P.S. You never know your ancestors might be in the same lists or in the book

Re: James or James-Hope family of Urelands, near Carnew, County Wicklow

BrianBaileyCODD — 2013-03-22 16:36:53Z

Mike, your comments about growing up in Tinahely in the 40's reveal we are in the same age group. I grew up in Lanark County, Ontario (b. 1943) - the area where most of the James families ended up.

I can't resist the temptation to add an older layer to the tree if possible. Little pieces of information help. Eileen James sent me a census for Carnew in 1728,1730 and 1746. In 1728 Richard ( - 1779) James and Thomas James(1690-1790) are seen to have equivalent holdings. We know from a Tenison-Graves Memorial made by one William James that this Richard received at least some of William's Carnew holdings in 1730. But we also see John (2 children) Phillip (3 children) along with Thomas (2 children) and Richard (two children) in 1730, but only Thomas as a huge ratepayer (15 Pounds plus/year) and inn owner and William with two houses in 1746. We also see in the Fitzwilliam ledgers an entry noting the death of a William James about 1790.

My conjecture is that William James, not necessarily the one who died in 1790, was the patriarch of a Carnew JAMES family which included sons Thomas and Richard, at least, and quite possibly Phillip and/or John as well. I will now look for subsequent pieces of information which either support or shoot these conjectures out of the sky. Any thing you have would be much appreciated.

Brian