Hi Tom,

When you wrote "Unfortunately the 1841 census is one of the few Scottish ones to be lost." do you mean the the Auchinleck one or the whole of Scotland for 1841?

I am not aware that the 1841 for Auchinleck is lost although the 1841 census does contain less information of use to researchers than the following ones but they do exist.

Have you asked for a search in the 1851 census index from East Ayrshire. Email address from the Ayrshire GenWebPage at

http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctayr/index.html

The 1881 is on CD at your nearest Mormon FHC or you can purchase it yourself.

regards

Alex Hughes

Hi Bonnie, Thanks for your message. Since my last message I have gone back a further generation. The parents of James Tolomie were John Tolemy and Janet Gemill who were married in Kilmarnock Ayrshire on 26th Jan 1761. They had at least 4 children; Agnes b.6 Aug 1771, John b. 1st May 1763, William b.2nd Apr 1769, and James b. 22nd July 1779. So James went to Sorn or Auchinleck sometime between 1779 and 1804. The connection of all these surnames in my line is the Tolmie name. I have established that there were Tolmies in Auchinleck at least into the 1860's but i found none in the 1891 census. Unfortunately the 1841 census is one of the few Scottish ones to be lost. Just my luck. Hopefully a Tolmie reference wil crop up somewhere.

I don't have any knowledge of a Martha Watson. Craigie parish is on the opposite side of Ayrshire towards the sea.
Around 1800 the Watson's I have married Spiers, Young, Peden, Drummond and Baird

Hi Tom,

I contacted the historian for East Ayrshire and the 1841 Auchinleck Census is indeed missing - it has been lost and was never filmed. They advise the best people to let you know the full story would be GRO or NAS.

regards

Alex

This is just one line of the info I have....If you can add or correct please contact direct at
dheath@telusplanet.net

Descendants of John Watson

Generation No. 1

1. JOHN1 Watson was born Abt. 1777 in Ayr, of Machline,,England. He married MARGARET SPIERS Abt. 1802 in Mauchline, Ayr. She was born Abt. 1781 in Mauchline, Ayr.

Children of JOHN Watson and MARGARET SPIERS are:

i. ISOBEL2 Watson, b. May 22, 1803.

ii. AGNES Watson, b. February 15, 1805.

iii. DANIEL Watson, b. May 9, 1807.

iv. JOHN Watson, b. December 13, 1809.

v. JAMES Watson, b. February 13, 1813.
2. vi. HUGH SPIERS Watson, b. February 19, 1816, Mauchline, Ayr; d. july.

Generation No. 2

2. HUGH SPIERS2 Watson (JOHN1) was born February 19, 1816 in Mauchline, Ayr, and died in july. He married JEAN SLOSS DRUMMOND November 19, 1841 in Mauchline, Ayr, daughter of WILLIAM DRUMMOND and MARY SLOSS. She was born August 17, 1817 in Craigie by Kilmarnock, and died 1864.

Children of HUGH Watson and JEAN DRUMMOND are:
3. i. MARY3 Watson, b. October 9, 1842, Mauchline, Ayr.

ii. JOHN Watson, b. August 19, 1844.
4. iii. WILLIAM DRUMMOND Watson, b. July 3, 1846, Sorn Cementry.

iv. MARGARET Watson, b. December 16, 1847.

v. JAMES Watson, b. July 4, 1851.

vi. JEAN Watson, b. October 10, 1854.

vii. AGNES Watson, b. July 9, 1856.

viii. ALEXANDER Watson, b. July 23, 1859.

ix. ISABELLA Watson, b. March 3, 1861.

x. ELIZABETH Watson, b. June 14, 1864.

Generation No. 3

3. MARY3 Watson (HUGH SPIERS2, JOHN1) was born October 9, 1842 in Mauchline, Ayr. She married JOHN ? HODGE June 4, 1872 in Sorn, Ayr.

Child of MARY Watson and JOHN HODGE is:

i. ROBERT WATSON4 HODGE, b. April 7, 1873.

4. WILLIAM DRUMMOND3 Watson (HUGH SPIERS2, JOHN1) was born July 3, 1846 in Sorn Cementry. He married ANNIE NEIL February 26, 1873 in Tarbolton, Ayr. She was born 1848.

Children of WILLIAM Watson and ANNIE NEIL are:
5. i. ANNIE NEIL4 Watson.

ii. HUGH Watson, b. March 26, 1874, Lochwinnoch, Renfrew.

Generation No. 4

5. ANNIE NEIL4 Watson (WILLIAM DRUMMOND3, HUGH SPIERS2, JOHN1) She married (1) SMART. She married (2) JOHN WILLIAM STEELE 1905.

Children of ANNIE Watson and JOHN STEELE are:
6. i. ROBERT5 STEELE.
7. ii. JOHN NEIL STEELE.
8. iii. WILLIAM Watson STEELE, b. 1914; d. 1996.

Generation No. 5

6. ROBERT5 STEELE (ANNIE NEIL4 Watson, WILLIAM DRUMMOND3, HUGH SPIERS2, JOHN1) He married ELIZABETH MONTGOMERY.

Children of ROBERT STEELE and ELIZABETH MONTGOMERY are:
9. i. ROBERT6 STEELE, b. 1928.
10. ii. GEORGE MONTOMERY STEELE, b. 1929.
11. iii. ANNIE STEELE, b. 1931.
12. iv. FREDERICK STEELE, b. 1933.
13. v. WILLIAM Watson STEELE, b. 1935.
14. vi. ELIZABETH STEELE, b. 1937.
15. vii. JEAN STEELE, b. 1940.
16. viii. JANE STEELE, b. 1942.
17. ix. JOHN THOMAS STEELE, b. 1950.

7. JOHN NEIL5 STEELE (ANNIE NEIL4 Watson, WILLIAM DRUMMOND3, HUGH SPIERS2, JOHN1)

Children of JOHN NEIL STEELE are:

i. LENARD6 STEELE.

ii. LORNA STEELE.

iii. CAROL STEELE.

iv. EILEEN STEELE.

v. BARBARA STEELE.

vi. LYDDA STEELE.

vii. ALLEN STEELE.

8. WILLIAM WATSON5 STEELE (ANNIE NEIL4 Watson, WILLIAM DRUMMOND3, HUGH SPIERS2, JOHN1) was born 1914, and died 1996. He married MARGARET HAIR.

Children of WILLIAM STEELE and MARGARET HAIR are:
18. i. JOHN WILLIAM6 STEELE, b. 1944; d. 1985.
19. ii. WATSON STEELE, b. 1947.

Generation No. 6

9. ROBERT6 STEELE (ROBERT5, ANNIE NEIL4 Watson, WILLIAM DRUMMOND3, HUGH SPIERS2, JOHN1) was born 1928. He married GERTRUDE 1954.

Children of ROBERT STEELE and GERTRUDE are:

i. CHRISTINA7 STEELE, b. 1954; m. TREVOR BRIGHT, 1976.

ii. DAVID STEELE, b. 1957; m. TINA ENVER, 1983.

10. GEORGE MONTOMERY6 STEELE (ROBERT5, ANNIE NEIL4 Watson, WILLIAM DRUMMOND3, HUGH SPIERS2, JOHN1) was born 1929. He married DENISE WEYMONTH 1958.

Child of GEORGE STEELE and DENISE WEYMONTH is:

i. ANDREW7 STEELE, b. 1959; m. LYDA, 1982.

11. ANNIE6 STEELE (ROBERT5, ANNIE NEIL4 Watson, WILLIAM DRUMMOND3, HUGH SPIERS2, JOHN1) was born 1931. She married RONALD WINGAR 1953.

Children of ANNIE STEELE and RONALD WINGAR are:

i. JULIE7 WINGER, b. 1955; m. STEPHEN THOMPSON, 1976.

ii. IAN WINGER, b. 1957; m. JANICE THOMLIN, 1981.

iii. SALLY WINGER, b. 1958.

12. FREDERICK6 STEELE (ROBERT5, ANNIE NEIL4 Watson, WILLIAM DRUMMOND3, HUGH SPIERS2, JOHN1) was born 1933. He married HELEN HOUSTON 1957.

Children of FREDERICK STEELE and HELEN HOUSTON are:

i. ELIZABETH7 STEELE, m. DAVID BOYGONE, 1977.

ii. HELEN STEELE, m. DANIEL, 1981.

13. WILLIAM WATSON6 STEELE (ROBERT5, ANNIE NEIL4 Watson, WILLIAM DRUMMOND3, HUGH SPIERS2, JOHN1) was born 1935. He married SHELIA SAVILLE.

Child of WILLIAM STEELE and SHELIA SAVILLE is:

i. PAUL7 STEELE, b. 1961; m. SALLY ANN.

14. ELIZABETH6 STEELE (ROBERT5, ANNIE NEIL4 Watson, WILLIAM DRUMMOND3, HUGH SPIERS2, JOHN1) was born 1937. She married ARCHIBALD DAY 1961.

Child of ELIZABETH STEELE and ARCHIBALD DAY is:

i. JACQUELINE7 DAY, m. THOMAS KEIR.

15. JEAN6 STEELE (ROBERT5, ANNIE NEIL4 Watson, WILLIAM DRUMMOND3, HUGH SPIERS2, JOHN1) was born 1940. She married JOHN HICKS 1961.

Children of JEAN STEELE and JOHN HICKS are:

i. STEWART7 HICKS, m. LISA, 1994.

ii. TINA HICKS, b. 1964; m. CHARLES MOORE.

iii. CLAIRE HICKS, b. 1966; m. SIMON, 1989.

iv. LISA HICKS, b. 1968; m. KEVEN, 1995.

16. JANE6 STEELE (ROBERT5, ANNIE NEIL4 Watson, WILLIAM DRUMMOND3, HUGH SPIERS2, JOHN1) was born 1942. She married PETER BURTON.

Children of JANE STEELE and PETER BURTON are:

i. SHARON7 BURTON, b. 1966.

ii. LORRAINE BURTON, b. 1967; m. BRYAN HOWERS, 1994.

17. JOHN THOMAS6 STEELE (ROBERT5, ANNIE NEIL4 Watson, WILLIAM DRUMMOND3, HUGH SPIERS2, JOHN1) was born 1950. He married SUSAN HOLLINS 1973.

Children of JOHN STEELE and SUSAN HOLLINS are:

i. LYNN7 STEELE, b. 1978.

ii. KAREN STEELE, b. 1980.

18. JOHN WILLIAM6 STEELE (WILLIAM WATSON5, ANNIE NEIL4 Watson, WILLIAM DRUMMOND3, HUGH SPIERS2, JOHN1) was born 1944, and died 1985. He married VERONIA BRIGHT.

Children of JOHN STEELE and VERONIA BRIGHT are:

i. ALEXANDER7 STEELE, b. 1967.

ii. FIONA STEELE, b. 1971.

19. WATSON6 STEELE (WILLIAM WATSON5, ANNIE NEIL4 Watson, WILLIAM DRUMMOND3, HUGH SPIERS2, JOHN1) was born 1947. He married MARSHA BROOKS.

Children of Watson STEELE and MARSHA BROOKS are:

i. AMEILLIA7 STEELE, b. 1975.

ii. JOLYAN STEELE, b. 1979.

FURTHER INFO CONTACT dheath@telusplanet.net
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Descendants of James BAIRD II

Generation No. 1

1. JAMES2 BAIRD II (HUGH1) was born October 5, 1742 in Sorn , Ayr, and died in Innkeeper of Greenfoot, Sorn. He married JEAN MILLAR March 26, 1769 in Sorn , Ayr. She was born 1745.

Children of JAMES BAIRD and JEAN MILLAR are:

i. HUGH3 BAIRD, b. December 16, 1770, Sorn; m. MARTHA WATSON; b. May 20, 1777, Cragie, Parish.

ii. JANET BAIRD, b. September 16, 1772, Blachside, Sorn.

iii. SARA BAIRD, b. June 1774.

iv. AGNES BAIRD, b. April 5, 1778, Sorn; d. March 12, 1860; m. JOHN GALL.
2. v. CHARLES BAIRD III, b. October 12, 1780, North Blairkip, Sorn; d. October 10, 1852, Sorn Chruch Yard.

vi. GEORGE BAIRD, b. July 12, 1782; d. 1852.

vii. WILLIAM BAIRD, b. June 4, 1783.
3. viii. JAMES BAIRD III, b. March 26, 1786, Sorn, Ayrshire, Scotland; d. 193 Acres, Sorn.

ix. SARAH BAIRD, b. March 28, 1786.

x. JEAN BAIRD, b. September 3, 1788.

xi. CHRISTIAN (CHRISTINA) BAIRD III, b. February 27, 1790, Sorn; d. November 25, 1882, Sorn; m. ROBERT CUNNINGHAM; b. 1792; d. May 2, 1874, Sorn.

xii. ANDREW BAIRD, b. March 11, 1792.

xiii. WILLIAM BAIRD, b. October 17, 1794.

xiv. ANN BAIRD, b. October 26, 1796.

Generation No. 2

2. CHARLES3 BAIRD III (JAMES2, HUGH1) was born October 12, 1780 in North Blairkip, Sorn, and died October 10, 1852 in Sorn Chruch Yard. He married ELIZABETH WILSON January 8, 1809 in Sorn , Ayr. She was born 1784 in north Blairkip, and died July 6, 1820 in Sorn.

Children of CHARLES BAIRD and ELIZABETH WILSON are:

i. ELIZABETH4 BAIRD, b. September 24, 1809.

ii. AGNESS BAIRD, b. January 10, 1813.
4. iii. MARY WILSON BAIRD IV, b. April 6, 1817, Sorn, Ayr; d. 1912.

3. JAMES3 BAIRD III (JAMES2, HUGH1) was born March 26, 1786 in Sorn, Ayrshire, Scotland, and died in 193 Acres, Sorn. He married JANE CRAWFORD in Old Cumnock, daughter of JOHN CRAWFORD and MARY GEMMELL. She was born June 30, 1780 in Sorn, Ayrshire, Scotland.

Children of JAMES BAIRD and JANE CRAWFORD are:

i. JOHN4 BAIRD, b. March 25, 1815.
5. ii. JEAN JANET WATSON BAIRD IV, b. July 27, 1817, Irvine, Ayr, Scotland.
6. iii. JAMES BAIRD IV, b. June 22, 1818.

iv. ELIZABETH BAIRD, b. 1823.

v. JANE BAIRD, b. 1827.

Generation No. 3

4. MARY WILSON4 BAIRD IV (CHARLES3, JAMES2, HUGH1) was born April 6, 1817 in Sorn, Ayr, and died 1912. She married JOHN (OLD JOHN) DRUMMOND December 30, 1836 in Sorn , Ayr, son of JOHN DRUMMOND and JANET DOUGLAS. He was born June 24, 1810 in Sorn, Ayr, and died June 18, 1882 in Blanefield, Kirkoswald.

Children of MARY BAIRD and JOHN DRUMMOND are:

i. JANET DOUGLAS BAIRD5 DRUMMOND, b. March 12, 1837, Sorn , Ayr; m. DOUGLAS.

ii. ELIZABETH BAIRD DRUMMOND, b. December 30, 1838, Sorn.

iii. JOHN BAIRD DRUMMOND, b. February 14, 1841, Sorn , Ayr; d. October 6, 1912, Son of Old John; m. JANET DUNCAN DRUMMOND, December 27, 1867, Camsiscan, Craigie; b. July 9, 1847; d. 1919.

iv. JEAN BAIR DRUMMOND, b. June 4, 1843, Sorn , Ayr; d. 1901; m. ROBERT MCLATCHIE, December 31, 1869, Kirkoswald.

v. MARY BAIRD DRUMMOND, b. August 1, 1845, Colmonell, Ayr; m. WILIAM PATON, April 23, 1869, Cumnock, Ayr.

vi. AGNES BAIRD DRUMMOND, b. March 19, 1849, COLMONELL; d. March 21, 1870, Sorn Cementry.

vii. MARGARET BAIRD DRUMMOND, b. January 18, 1851; d. March 20, 1870, Sorn Cementry.

viii. CHARLIE BAIRD DRUMMOND, b. April 16, 1854, Colmonell, Ayr; m. MCCLYMONT.

ix. ANNE STEWART DRUMMOND, b. May 26, 1858; m. JOHN BAXTER.

5. JEAN JANET WATSON4 BAIRD IV (JAMES3, JAMES2, HUGH1) was born July 27, 1817 in Irvine, Ayr, Scotland. She married DAVID SHAW.

Children of JEAN BAIRD and DAVID SHAW are:

i. DAVID5 SHAW, b. May 6, 1841; m. AGNUS WALLACE, December 30, 1867.

ii. CHARLES SHAW, b. January 9, 1853.

iii. JAMES SHAW, b. November 15, 1855.

6. JAMES4 BAIRD IV (JAMES3, JAMES2, HUGH1) was born June 22, 1818. He married JEAN HYSLOP July 24, 1835 in Sorn, Ayr.

Children of JAMES BAIRD and JEAN HYSLOP are:

i. CHRISTIAN HYSLOP5 BAIRD, b. May 24, 1838.

ii. ROBERT HYSLOP BAIRD, b. November 11, 1840.

iii. JOHN HYSLOP BAIRD, b. August 11, 1843.

iv. JAMES HYSLOP BAIRD, b. May 15, 1846.

v. THOMAS HYSLOP BAIRD, b. February 7, 1848.

vi. ELIZABETH HYSLOP BAIRD, b. July 26, 1851.

Doug.... received your message. My Baird line comes from the South Blairkip family although the linkage between the South and the North Blairkip Bairds probably goes back to the early 1700s, havn't yet been able to pin it down exactly. Will do some more cross-checking on this as so many of the first names are similar.
Incidentally, I live on the fringe of Calgary and notice you have a telusplanet call number. Are you from this area too?
Tom B. Welsh

Hi Robbie,
So you are also related to James Hamilton & Sarah Howat who md 05 Aug 1785 Sorn, Ayr.
Do you have any information on the origins of James or Sarah please?
Is Sarah the daughter of Andrew & Christian REID?
I would be grateful for any help at all.
regards,
Jenny mcLauchlan.

Hi Judy,
We have a Sarah Howat md James Hamilton 05 Aug 1785 Sorn, Ayr.
Do you have anything on Sarah that you might be able to help us with please?
Regards,
Jenny McLauchlan

Hello Sandra,
I am so sorry that I cannot help you at this stage.
We don't know anything else about Sarah as yet. No parents, origins, siblings etc.
Best of luck.
Regards,
Jenny McLauchlan