Thanks for your reply but the problem is there are too many people with the same name I know Williams Father is David born 1813 Llanwnda and I believe his wife was Elizabeth. Because the children have common names it is very hard to find the right birth certificate. David Williams died on 26 September 1895. As David almost certainly got married before 1837 i will not be able to get Marriage Certificate. I am hoping an Ancestry member may know more if they are related to this family. I want to work back to find Davids Parents but it is very difficult without knowing tha marriage details of David Thanks again Pam