As you say this is an old post! The original poster never got back to me, but I do remember finding out more information which I never got around to pass on to him. I'm not sure where it is now though! Out of the top of my head, the connection he was looking for was correct. I remember that a lot of information came from USA war records, where middle names were important and linked back to Ruabon. The wider family also farmed on the Gardden and originally came from Montgomeryshire? I'll see if I can find my notes??