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Re: charles martin from south wales

jessejamesfarm — 2013-06-16 19:28:06Z

Hi again, I found a paper on Iowa deaths and burials Itsays Charles was born in south wales on March10,1847 in south wales and that he was a retired coalminer. Also says Frank Martin was his father and his birth place south wales too. They did not list any names for mother only that she was born in south wales also.I also have info that charles martin was married on June 27, 1875 in boone iowa. It shows spouse as Mrs. tilley.I know this is my great great grandmother as she was married to a george tilley from england than later divorced. I dont know what toen is in south wales but I always heard something about Pontypridd?

Re: Need info on Robert Jones married to Mary London circa 1780-1820

roseculleton — 2013-06-16 13:30:55Z

Antoine was born in 1851, Carillion Quebec. he had 2 wives .... Mathilda Lavalee and then Marie Louise Leblanc.
My husband is from the marriage with Marie. Her grandmother, Marie Louise Mcgregor ( Marie Louise Sauteuse Riel)was the sister of Louis Reil's father. She died in Quebec when she was 113 yrs. old.

Rose

Re: charles martin from south wales

WilliamRussellJones — 2013-06-16 08:14:03Z

I have to say that this is proving rather difficult to get any info that will fit with all the rest.You say that you found Charles's parents info from an obituary?Desperately perhaps,looking for further clues;Have you seen any official documents relating to Charles's marriage to Hannah?There must also be some documents relating to both Charles's immigration and granting of US citizenship?

Regards
William Russell Jones.

Re: charles martin from south wales

jessejamesfarm — 2013-06-15 14:51:29Z

hi thanks for the info. I have seen the passenger list too.Someone told me that he came over here with 2 brothers dont know the names. In his obituary it says his parents were Frank and maryan. Cant find much on him. He was suppose to have came from south wales. All i do know is that he came to iowa and was a coalminer and married hannah (batt) tilley who was married to george tilley they were from england and she came to usa the same time my great great grandfather Charles came here.

Re: charles martin from south wales

WilliamRussellJones — 2013-06-15 09:26:55Z

Looking at passenger records there is a possible Charles Martin in 1872,travelling with a possible brother Richard.Have you found Charles in the 1880 Census,he doesn't show too readily?

Regards
William Russell Jones.

Re: John Courtois / Robert I, Duke of Normandy

cmiller31161 — 2013-06-14 13:25:32Z

Thank you very much, the last name being possibly Curteis helped. But I'm looking for a more direct link. I currently have this information, I just can't find how it's linked to Robert I.

Any help would be really appreciated!
Thanks again,
Chris

charles martin from south wales

jessejamesfarm — 2013-06-14 03:11:54Z

Does anyone have any info on charles martin from wales? His fathers name was frank and his mother maryan. He came to usa on either 1871 or 1872. He was married to hannah batt tilley. He was a coalminer and was suppose to have came over with his 2 brothers.

Re: John Courtois / Robert I, Duke of Normandy

esuewilliams — 2013-06-13 09:54:25Z

Extract from "The history of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the ancient nobility of Powys Fadog"

Henry Salusbury of Llyweni, who was living in the
3rd year of Henry V, 1421, who by Agnes, daughter
and heir of Sir John Courtois, or Curteis, Knt., son of Sir
Arthur Courtois, Knt., had, with other issue, an elder son,
Thomas. Henry and his wife Agnes were buried in the Abbey at Denbigh.

John Courtois / Robert I, Duke of Normandy

cmiller31161 — 2013-06-12 16:18:20Z

Hello,

I'm looking for information on John Courtois, Birth 1297 in Henllan, Denbighshire, Wales, Death 1334 in Henllan, Denbighshire, Wales. He had a daughter, Agnes, who was married to Sir Henry Salisbury.

From my research John Courtois was a decedent of Robert I, Duke of Normandy, however I cannot find John's parents, so I cannot find the link to Robert.

Does anyone have any information that might help me?

Thank you,
Chris

Re: Not on North Wales BDM index

bromaelor — 2013-05-27 09:28:14Z

Local newspapers may be worth a look?

Re: Not on North Wales BDM index

tonyjones1958 — 2013-05-27 02:18:20Z

Yes. I have these medals in my collection and as I live close to Ruthin I thought it best to bring then home. I bought them from a chap in Australia.
The chap is from Liverpool, but died in Ruthin in 191 under strange circumstances.
Regards,
Tony

swann

d_weaver1 — 2013-05-26 18:36:58Z

hi can anyone help me im trying to find my lost relatives, i have discovered that i have a cousin by the name of HAGAN ALEXANDER SWANN born april 1989 in flintshire rhuddlan, all is his mothers name of lynne or lyn jones. any information would be great to help me find them

Re: Not on North Wales BDM index

bromaelor — 2013-05-26 11:24:05Z

Is this the person you are researching?

http://www.dnw.co.uk/Medals/auctionarchive/searchcataloguear...

Re: Not on North Wales BDM index

tonyjones1958 — 2013-05-25 22:42:46Z

Thank you so very much. The lady in the office assured me that she had tried every spelling of Beecroft.

I tried the on-line search and checked the sounded box, but would never have found him on my own.

Now I can get into what happened to cause his suicide.

Many thanks,

Tony

Re: Not on North Wales BDM index

bromaelor — 2013-05-25 19:00:32Z

It appears to be a spelling error!

The local registers have: BEERCROFT, Frederick W, RTHN/15/82

So it's definitely at Rhuthun.

Re: John Jones born about 1820

cuddley28 — 2013-05-25 01:37:16Z

also noted on the Marriage Cert for John Jones and Mary Ledsham dated 1 September 1850 he was a Labourer father's name was William Jones also a Labourer he was full age when he married. They married in the Church of St Nicholas in the Parish of Liverpool in the county of Lancaster. John could not write.

Re: John Jones born about 1820

cuddley28 — 2013-05-25 01:17:40Z

place of birth for John was noted on his daughter Calonine's death cert for Victoria where he was a Gold-miner born Denbighshire Wales and he was 37 on the birth cert for Thomas his son born Axe Creek in the district of Sandhurst victoria at the time Thomas was born John was 41 yrs old born Denbighshire Wales where he was a farmer.

Not on North Wales BDM index

tonyjones1958 — 2013-05-24 10:33:19Z

I have a man FREDERICK WALKEN BEECROFT, found on Ancestry BDM as died in Ruthin in Q3 in 1916. Vol 11b page 328.
My problem is I went to Ruthin Registry Office and the man is not on their registers.
Can anyone help as to where I go next in North Wales?
Thanks in advance

Re: John Jones born about 1820

WilliamRussellJones — 2013-05-24 08:28:11Z

The obvious question to ask is what makes you think he was born in Denbighshire?

Regards
William Russell Jones.

John Jones born about 1820

cuddley28 — 2013-05-24 06:42:22Z

Wandering if anyone would be nice enough to look for a birth for John who married Mary Ledsham in Liverpool, Lancashire.

Father's name is William

lived in South Australia
and was a Gold miner & farmer in Victoria

I am having trouble locating a death for him

Thanks Dee

Re: Local knowlege of Abergele?

rhodes2011 — 2013-05-15 21:49:54Z

Hi. Just to confirm I have seen your helpful messages, and have sent you a personal message. Look forward to hearing from you in due course.

Re: Local knowlege of Abergele?

ronadavies47 — 2013-05-14 09:27:45Z

Tan-y-Bryn is in a sorry state = I have lots of information, past and present history. Rona, Tan-y-Bryn Lodge

Re: Local knowlege of Abergele?

ronadavies47 — 2013-05-14 09:25:27Z

Catherine - we named our house Tan-y-Bryn Lodge when we moved there in 1991 - the Lodge name did not exist before this. The lane alongside was called Berthes Road at time we moved there- possibly an English version of Welsh word berth [a hedge in Welsh]; it was then changed to the Welsh version Ffordd-y-Berth in the 1990's. Our house was created by a 1989 renovation of an old building, possibly used as a garden shed/storage for the big house in the 20th century - there was a walled garden in that area of Tan-y-Bryn's land. I will need your grandfather's name and address when I check the paperwork. A property called Y Berllan did exist on the site in the 19 century. I'm very intrigued too now!

Re: Local knowlege of Abergele?

ronadavies47 — 2013-05-13 06:11:36Z

Have lived at Tan-y-Bryn Lodge for over 20 years - have a lot of information on the history of Tan-y-Bryn too.

Re: HOUGHAGAN

suehelm28 — 2013-05-04 09:20:51Z

Hi Andrew how you doing with your search into the Houghagan past ? hope its better than I am just keep hitting a brick wall been trying to get the records for the Grave in Golborne but nobody seems to know were they are kept & can never get hold of the priest at all saints hope to hear you have had some good luck.

Sue

Re: Tan Dderwen in Llanrhaeadr-yng-Nghinmeirch

dartedge — 2013-05-03 19:13:31Z

An update to my own question.

Tan Dderwen is shown, but not named at GR 068 630 (just SE of Ty Mawr Prion) on Ordnance Survey Map 264 Vale of Clwyd.

Re: more old letters

19strytlas43 — 2013-05-02 20:06:59Z

There is a place nearby called Bryn. There was an invasion of Welsh miners. I had family in nearby Leigh.

Re: more old letters

19strytlas43 — 2013-05-02 20:05:29Z

Tyldesley is in Manchester area. It is somewhere I have geard my grandmother mention but so long ago........!

Tan Dderwen in Llanrhaeadr-yng-Nghinmeirch

dartedge — 2013-04-25 18:26:39Z

Hi,

Another request for assistance please. I have found a reference to a farm called Tan Dderwen in Llanrhaeadr-yng-Nghinmeirch. Unfortunately I haven't been able to locate the farm on my modern OS map. I would be very grateful if someone could point me in the right direction.

Thanks,

David

"Pen y Bryn" Farms in the Llanrhaeadr-yng-Nghinmeirch Area

dartedge — 2013-04-25 18:09:29Z

Hi,

I would appreciate some local knowledge to help me sort out farms in Llanrhaeadr-yng-Nghinmeirch. I have been tracing my Edwards, Roberts, Williams & Jones roots in the area.

Tyddyn Uchaf, Meini Llwydion, Rossa Fawr and Groesfordd all have some family associations. "Pen y Bryn" also has an association. Ugh. There are so many hills in Denbighshire. I can eliminate Pen y Bryn Llwyn. There is a Pen y Bryn Isaf down the road from Groesfordd. One Census refers to Pen y Bryn Park. Is Pen y Bryn Park - Pen y Bryn Isaf?

Any guidance or comments would be very much appreciated.

Thanks,

David

Re: Horseley Hall

Flee80 — 2013-04-21 19:11:20Z

Oh my goodness--thank you for your message. My mother stayed there as a young girl, on vacations from Canada. One night, she was asked to play the piano for Wavertree's guests. She was very nervous but it went off okay. It would be interesting to know if my mother knew your grandmother and sister. I am not sure what the dates would be that she was there. My mother's uncle had something to do with the training of Minoru, the horse which won the Derby, so I would guess it was before WWI.
If only I had asked more questions when my grandmother and mother were still here! A lesson for us all.

Re: Horseley Hall

Flee80 — 2013-04-21 19:11:18Z

Re: Horseley Hall

Flee80 — 2013-04-21 19:11:18Z

Re: Horseley Hall

Flee80 — 2013-04-21 19:11:18Z

Re: Horseley Hall

1_caroline_gordon — 2013-04-19 18:26:23Z

Lord Wavertree was my fathers Godfather. My grandmother and her sister used to spend all her summers there when they could as he did not have any children of his own. I also have a few photographs of the Hall when they used to stay there.

Re: Denbigh Asylum.

rozfisher — 2013-04-10 11:45:32Z

Thank you for replying to me Bromaelor. It's a surprise to hear from you!!

This looks a great site, shall get in touch with them asap.

Thanks again, Roz.

Re: Denbigh Asylum.

bromaelor — 2013-04-10 09:42:00Z

They are in the Denbighshire Archive at Ruthin.

http://denbighshirearchives.wordpress.com/2013/04/02/the-nor...

Re: Wrexham

bromaelor — 2013-04-10 09:40:32Z

The other way around! Ruabon was a sub-district of the Wrexham Registration District.

Wrexham

montygirl59 — 2013-04-05 19:23:51Z

Would Wrexham be a Registration District of Ruabon on a death index

Denbigh Asylum.

rozfisher — 2013-04-05 00:33:20Z

Does anyone know please if you can get info from the old asylum records regarding a family member who died there in 1904? I'd be interested to know when & why they were put in there.
Thanks, Roz.

Re: Ruthin Parish Record Lookup.

rozfisher — 2013-04-03 22:28:50Z

Would this be him?

John, son of John Williams labourer & Margaret, bap 23 Feb 1748.

It's the only one I can find in that time frame for Ruthin.

Ruthin Parish Record Lookup.

clairesbarker — 2013-04-03 11:52:29Z

Can anyone please have a gander for a John Williams b.abt 1753.
Many Thanks,
Claire

edward maddocks

rozfisher — 2013-04-01 20:30:36Z

Is there anyone who is willing to go to Gresford cemetery & look up a gravestone for me please?
Edward Maddocks b1829 Allington, died Rossett Nov 1st 1866 aged 37, is buried at Gresford. I beleive he is buried with other family members & would love to know who else is mentioned on the head stone.
Thanks very much to anyone who is able to do this.
Roz

Re: Richard Owens b. Ruabon

bromaelor — 2013-03-25 12:35:21Z

As you say this is an old post! The original poster never got back to me, but I do remember finding out more information which I never got around to pass on to him. I'm not sure where it is now though! Out of the top of my head, the connection he was looking for was correct. I remember that a lot of information came from USA war records, where middle names were important and linked back to Ruabon. The wider family also farmed on the Gardden and originally came from Montgomeryshire? I'll see if I can find my notes??

Re: Richard Owens b. Ruabon

mowens1294 — 2013-03-24 12:14:32Z

Sorry to bump an old post but bromaelor you mention John Owens, he was my GGG Grandfather and you say his life was a bit complex, I have all his related census', his death certificate and an obituary from the Wrexham advertiser but nothing else, do you have any more information on him please?

Thanks.

Mark

Re: Williams, Parry, Roberts, Lewis

rjones998 — 2013-03-23 21:36:37Z

Hi there! I have just visited williams grave in Saron and was wondering how you are getting on with researching his time in Tasmania. I live in this area and I'm attempting to document the lives of "interesting" local characters. William would be a prime candidate!
Thanks.

Re: Jones, Miles, & Webb families from Wales immigrated to US in 1842

bromaelor — 2013-03-21 14:57:10Z

You are going to struggle looking for Jones' in Wales without more information!

The Hindoo sailed from Caernarfon to New York, arriving on 28 May 1842, and looking at the group of Jones' you have identified:

142 William Jones 25 Quarryman [born c1817]
143 Robt Jones 30 Labourer [born c1812]
144 Evan Jones 19 Labourer [born c1823]
145 Owen Jones 21 Labourer [born c1821]
146 John Jones 24 Labourer [born c1818]
147 Griffith Jones 21 Labourer [born c1821]

1. The occupation of "Quarryman" usually points to the north-west of the country, as the majority of the slate quarries were in Caernarfonshire or Merionethshire. This would also fit in with a departure from the town of Caernarfon.
Of course there is the possibility of stone, rather than slate quarrying, and this might fit in with Cefn Mawr.
But I believe there was no real quarrying industry in the south of the country, which might rule out Llandeilo, Mountain Ash, Merthyr Tydfil and Rhydfelin?

Where did you get all of these variations?

2. As they emigrated in 1842 they should all appear in the 1841 Wales census. Unless they were from Cefn Mawr! The entire Ruabon census for 1841 is a "lost" census, so you will get no further in this case.

3. The passenger list does not include anyone with the surname Miles or Webb.

4. The name Mary Sion is dubious. "Sion" is not a Welsh surname but is possibly a patronymic? "Sion" is just the Welsh version of "John", so I would suggest she was simply "Mary John" or "Mary Jones"?

5. In the notes attached to your Ancestry tree you have "They landed at New Orleans, LA and went up the Mississippi by steamboat to Galena, Illinois", but the Hindoo sailed to New York? How did they get to New Orleans?

Jones, Miles, & Webb families from Wales immigrated to US in 1842

CCarsonBullis — 2013-03-21 00:03:04Z

Looking for the Jones's,
Looking for any information on the Jones Family including Robert Jones b: 1813, William b: 1817, John b: 1818, Evan & Griffith b: 1821, Owen b: 1823, William b: 1835, Margaret b: 1840, Richard & Sarah A b: 1841, Joseph Henry b: 1844.

Owen Jones was my g-g-grandfather. Robert was his brother and we believe the others were siblings or somehow related to the same family. They arrived in the U.S. we believe on the ship The Hindoo in 1842. They were a family of coalminers. We have recently learned that their parents may have been William Richard Jones b; 1800 and Mary (Sion or Zion) b: 1801 but we can't confirm.

We think they were from somewhere in or near Cefn Mawr, Denbighshire, Llandilo Fawr, Mountain Ash or Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Caernevon, or possibly Rhydfelin.

They may have been traveling on ship with the WEBB and/or MILES Families. They immigrated to Pennsylvania initially and then relocated mostly in Illinois.

Would love to chat with anyone who might know about this family.

CBullis

Re: Rhyl Cemetery

bslj — 2013-03-11 23:56:43Z

Jon
Can you send me photo of plan of rhyl
Cemetery as I looking for parents grave there
I believe you have one and could e mail it to me
Thanks
Bernard

Re: Tan Y Goppa, Llanddulas Jane Davies

dfoxton — 2013-03-11 20:27:57Z

i would like to say hello it appears we are related!!! im from william and eliza son lewis's side