Seems to me ......as you stated ..."ok just read all the posts again at the time didnt know maiden name of elizabeth, found out its rowlands or rowland and found her fathers name is owen rowland also his fathers name is thomas davies and need to go back from there. cant find any links to the family in treagean, and ive been looking 2 days solid. if i cant find out owen rowlands wife the mother of elizabeth or thomas davies and his wife, the father of thomas davies in wales then my search comes to an end and there is no point keeping ancestry on as ive found all i can about thomas davies and elizabeth rowlands since they turn up in liverpool married and have children." Going down the path of Rowlands and Rowland would take you into 2 directions.? my Name is Rowland also, as far as I can tell .......so far, My Grandfathers Father came from England .....Henry (grandfather), settled in southern Illinois......MY Daughter has just started searching on our name so I will gain more Knowledge later . I will keep you posted !!!