Thank you again, very much. I have dug further into House 16 of Sklene (Sklenny) which is in the Horni Bory records, which is where Katharina and Johanna came from. I need to do a lot of sorting out, as it looks like three related families moved through that house. And everyone was married twice, or not married at all. To further confuse things, it looks like there are two Katharinas and maybe even two Johannas. Until I list all these people, it will be a while until I can ask my big question.