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Kelsch

jo7626 — 2012-07-23 23:35:44Z

My family are also descendants of Joseph b.1810 and Barbara, thru their son Joseph b.1837, his son Joseph b. 1876, married to Katerina Zeisler and immigrated to Macklin, Saskatchen. I wonder after travelling that far if our families knew how close they were. As far as why they went to Russia, were you aware that the Duchess of Wuttenberg at that time was the sister of Alexander III of Russia. Because of the French revolvation, the crops were being burned either by one side or another and her people were starving. She was known as a great Humanian of her time and begged her brother from help. He in turned had defeated the Turks and Tarters in the area and was very interested in settling friendly farmers in the area of what is now the Ukraine.

Germans/Swiss from Crimea

samerchant — 2012-06-27 21:29:28Z

Looking for information on families who stayed: Jacob and Christina (Guenthner) Kilber and their children Wilhelmina, Elisabetha, Heinrich, Dorothea, Rosina, Magdalena, Christina, Reinholdt, Alexander, Johannes. Marriages were to Haar, Eduard Dubs, Heinrich Murchel (I found him and wife Wilhelmina and some of their descendants), Heinrich Ellwein (d. around 1914). Other marriages unknown. Probably lived in various daughter colonies of Zuerichtal.

Re: Niklowicz family

modmob — 2012-05-14 13:41:41Z

Hi Cathy,
Joseph (Nick) Nicklowicz was my uncle. My mother, Mary's, brother. The family name in the US is actually Niklowicz, but in Poland, as I understand it, it is Niklewicz. Glad for the contact!!
Your Aunt,
Gordena

Re: Niklowicz family

whiplash707 — 2012-05-13 23:48:22Z

Heyy....my name is Cathy nicklowicz, daughter of Joseph(nick) nicklowicz . I guess were definatly related!!!(

Re: known Denega location

B_Greck — 2012-03-16 02:34:11Z

Anna Martinow was my great grandmother,,,Ilko's mother
Nicolas Denega--had son Nicolay and daughter Maria
Cathanna Denega
1875 –
Catharina Denega
1885 – 1887
Eudoxia Deynega 12
1885 –
John Denaga--went to the US
1885 – 1951
Matrasus Denega
1886 –
Catherina Denega
1887 –
Maria Denega
1888 – 1888
Ilko Julian Denega--went to the US
1889 – 1944
Michael Denega
1889 –
Andriy--sons( Stephan, ?, daughter Nyuska)
Stephanus Deynega----went to Argentina
1900 –
Theodorus Deynega--(sons Fedir and Ivan ) I am talking to Ivan in the Ukraine
1903 – 1977

Re: known Denega location

B_Greck — 2012-03-16 02:24:50Z

My grandfather was Ilko Denega. Did you go to my tree? It shows everyone. Is it visible? He had brothers and sisters. Anna Martinow was Antonius wife (parents to Ilko)

These siblings may not be correct now that Ivan sent me this second list that follows:

Nicolas Denega
Cathanna Denega
1875 –
Catharina Denega
1885 – 1887
Eudoxia Deynega 12
1885 –
John Denaga
1885 – 1951
Matrasus Denega
1886 –
Catherina Denega
1887 –
Maria Denega
1888 – 1888
Ilko Julian Denega
1889 – 1944
Michael Denega
1889 –
Anastasia Deynega
1893 – 1895
Stephanus Deynega
1900 –
Theodorus Deynega
1903 – 1977

Since they had a Maria and she died shortly after birth it's possible they had another that I just don't know about.
_________________________________
Now according to Tho's son the brothers and sisters are as follows:

Nicolay---Maria (daughter) Myhaylo(son)
Ivan and Ilko - went to the US
Stephan went to Argentina
Andriy- went to Poland
Vasiliy-Nickolay (son) Ivan (son)
Yavdokia- Stephan (son) Teodar (son) Katerina born 1926
Teodor- Fedir(son still alive) Ivan ( I am communicating with)

Re: known Denega location

modmob — 2012-03-15 22:59:20Z

My Great Grandmother's family name was Dinega or Dimega. Her name was Mary and she married my Great Grandfather Blazy or Blazcy Niklowicz (although could have been Niklewicz). I don't know the date of their marriage or where either of them was born. My Grandfather, Andrew, was born 13 May 1890, in Zabokruki (Zhabokruky?), Bibrka, Galicia (Austro-Hungary). I confirmed with a professor at a University in Poland that Niklowicz is a Polish name and I believe my
Grandfather's paternal family was Polish. Andrew had 2 brothers, Michael and Alexander. Alexander may have used a variation Niklowitz. I find variations of spellings depending on who was doing the writing and how they heard the name. I was told by someone in Poland that the Niklewicz clan was big in Poland. Who was your Grandfather?

Re: known Denega location

nicklowp — 2012-03-15 15:29:44Z

I am convinced I am related to you two somehow. I was told by my father through his grandfather that our last name had been changed from Niklewicz to Nicklowitz.

Re: Denega ( dinega, dyenega danega)

B_Greck — 2012-01-14 03:05:56Z

This must be the family. Yes this is the town for Skuta. I will write to my family there and see if they can investigate this. Thank you!!!

Re: Denega ( dinega, dyenega danega)

B_Greck — 2012-01-14 03:05:52Z

This must be the family. Yes this is the town for Skuta. I will write to my family there and see if they can investigate this. Thank you!!!

Re: Denega ( dinega, dyenega danega)

B_Greck — 2012-01-02 15:28:15Z

IVAN AND FEDOR Deynega live in Kvitneve. Bobrka region.

Re: Denega ( dinega, dyenega danega)

lorsyl2 — 2012-01-02 04:16:57Z

What is your grand uncles name? Ask his daughter about the Romaniv family in Bakivtsi. I am sure that she can contact the municipal office in Bakivtsi (Баковецька сільська рада). Telephone # 3239-61-5-41 (тел. 3239-61-5-41).

I just discovered that there is also a place by the name of Bakivtsi in the Lutskyi raion, Volynska oblast (Луцький район, Волинська область).

You mention Wotocho Lubiszka. Would that happen to be Liubeshka in the Peremyshlianskyi, Lviv oblast. (Любешка,
Львівська область, Перемишлянський район ).

There are Skuta individuals in Liubeshka.

There is a Skuta Ekaterina, born 1924, living in Bakivtsi/Bakowice.
СКРУТА ЕКАТЕРИНА ИВАНОВНА 1924-06-07 БАКІВЦІ

There is also a Skuta Stepan, son of Mykhailo, born 1937, living in Zhydachiv with his wife.
СКРУТА СТЕПАН МИХАЙЛОВИЧ 1937-08-12 ЖИДАЧІВ ДРУКАРСЬКА 8 0 14

Re: Denega ( dinega, dyenega danega)

B_Greck — 2012-01-02 00:11:12Z

From records and dates I have determined that house numbers 15 in Wotocho Lubiszka? were the Skruta Family home.
Death records indicate Theodores and Antonius died there in 1853. Also Joannes Catherina Skruta died there.

#13 is also listed for Catherinea Joannis (death+) 1850

Then Joannas and Cathanna are listed in #34 for births: Anna 1879, Eudoria 1886, Stephanis 1895, Basilius 1898,Joannes 1890, Michael 1902, Martha 1892, Eudoxia 1886, Anna 1889,

Then in 1901 there is a Joannis and Maria Zodroznia in #34-4

House numbers for Romanows were 24, 25, 84, 46, 12,55,32 54( Anna b. to Michael)

Re: Denega ( dinega, dyenega danega)

B_Greck — 2012-01-01 23:31:37Z

My mother's mother was a Romaniv( Hamorowska, Skruta) and my DNA will follow that side of the family forever with little fluctuation. I ended up an H1 which is a Hapsburg line. It would be nice to know where the Romanov live, what they do, where they came from etc. I have a passion for finding the family through history.

Martha came from (Joannes Romanow X Catherine Hamorowska) Joannes came from Michallis Romanow X Catherine Paliwooda). Catherine Hamorowska came from (Andreaii Hamorowska X Barbara Skruta) Barbara Skruta came from ( Joannes Warwany Skruta X Catherine ?)

Why wouldn't the Denega family want to share the news? I have been in constant contact with them with letters and pictures going back and forth. They seem anxious to show me around LOL. I wish I could directly write to my grand uncle but I have have to rely on his daughter and granddaughter, who is a teacher in Lviv. I hear he is very sick but I can't get there and it breaks my heart.

Re: Denega ( dinega, dyenega danega)

lorsyl2 — 2012-01-01 22:26:04Z

Okay... I have put some thought into this.

The name was Romanow (Pol.); now in Ukraine it is Romaniv. There are 37 Romaniv in Kvitneve, but can not be sure whether they live in Kvitneve, Lviv or Kvitneve, Khelynytskyi.

Seeing that Kvitneve, Lviv has a population of only 419, it has been joined with the nearby vllage Bakivtsi, therefore they share the mayor and postoffice with Kvitneve.

There are 9 Romaniv listed as living in Bakivtsi. The oldest one is Ivan (John), son of Vasyl, born 1940.
(РОМАНІВ ІВАН ВАСИЛЬЕВИЧ 1940-05-27 БАКІВЦІ}

I gather that your Dienega do not care to share you with the Romaniv's. How are you related to the Romaniv's? Your mother is Dienega?

Who do you think you should write to?

Re: Denega ( dinega, dyenega danega)

B_Greck — 2012-01-01 01:34:34Z

Oh I would love to go. If you go again maybe you can look up the Romanow (v) name for me. I can find records in the family history center of the family but when they changed to Ukrainian language I was lost. It's like Chinese to me. It is near Lviv, south east of the city. Not sure what district. My poor cousins there would love to meet me. Oh well someday maybe if I win the lottery and I'm not too old by then...LOL

Re: Denega ( dinega, dyenega danega)

lorsyl2 — 2011-12-31 20:33:10Z

Which raion and oblast is your Kvitneve (Квітневе) in... Bilohirskyi raion (Білогірський район), Khelnytska oblast(Хмельницька область) or Zhydachivskyi raion(Жидачівський район), Львівська область (Lvivska oblast)?

Yes, I read Ukrainian. I found family in the Ivano-Frankivs'k area during a tour in 1996, and have been back many times.

Deinega (Дейнега) is a common name, with a population near 6000. The Romanov (Романов) name, a population of near 12000.

I am not into meanings of family names. Fred Hoffman has published a surname book. I would guess that Romanov, Romanovsky, and others come from Roman..thus name means son of Roman. Дейн means Dane...likely means nothing to your family name, unless a Viking got left behind in your village!!! p.s. I have not heard of Dane to be a Slavic name.

Re: Denega ( dinega, dyenega danega)

B_Greck — 2011-12-31 17:42:49Z

I think it's odd that in a village that small the Denega family didn't mention this. I will try addressing a letter to her in the village and see if someone can get it to her. Thank you for that information. Sylvia you obviously read Ukrainian. Do you have realatives from here as well? I'm in Vermont what part of Canada are you from? Do you know any of the Ukrainian history of the two names?

Re: Denega ( dinega, dyenega danega)

lorsyl2 — 2011-12-31 17:05:20Z

There is/was a Maria Romanov, born 1926 living in Kvitneve. No address or phone number listed.

РОМАНОВ МАРИЯ МИХАЙЛОВНА 0 1926-01-01 КВІТНЕВЕ НЕВІДОМА 0

Maria, a wife of one of the Romanov men, if passed away recently, may be easy to find at one of the cementaries by your Dyenega relatives. She may still have living female family.

Sylvia (Canada)

Re: Denega ( dinega, dyenega danega)

B_Greck — 2011-12-31 14:37:54Z

Thank you. The Americanized version was Denega and my mom changed the spelling to Danega to confuse us even more. I found cousins and my mother's cousin still living in Kvitneve. They took pictures on graves and want me to come visit. I wish I could afford to. I have yet to find a Romanow family from the same town.

Re: Denega ( dinega, dyenega danega)

lorsyl2 — 2011-12-31 05:35:48Z

So the name is Deinega/Deynega (ДЕЙНЕГА). I remember trying to help you ... glad you found your family. Congratulations !!

Denega ( dinega, dyenega danega)

B_Greck — 2010-12-27 20:36:15Z

I have found my family of former Zabokruki now Kvitneve.
Names in this village incluse Romanow, Hutnik, Hamorowski, Martynow, Rudyk, Bojarin, Palliwoda, Diminity?) This family spells their name Deynega so keep an open mind on spellings. The furthst we go back is to Antin( Antonius 1850) and Anna Martynow Deynega. They had Nicolay, Ivan( John, to Long Island, NY, the US), Ilko ( to Long Island, NY the US), Stephan ( went to Argentina), Andriy ( Went to Poland) Vasiliy, Yavdokia, and Teodor ( Ivan his son is to whom I'm writing) all births around Ilko's being 1889. House # 69, 12, 43,23 in Zabokruki all pertain to this family.

searching for Tarnogórski family

basiafab — 2010-04-30 10:44:31Z

Looking for Tarnogórski family from Birzula (1880 - 1896). Any help much appreciated. Basia

Re: GERMAN ANCESTORS FROM CRIMEA

lcwidlet — 2010-03-31 19:47:25Z

It only took me 6 years to respond - I think I forgot about this post!

From what I have found, John Kelch's (married Cunigunda Feist) parents were Joseph Kelch and Rose Mittweir. I found this by getting his death certificate.
I no longer have an ancestry membership, so if you have information, please email - lcwidlet@hotmail.com.
Thanks!

Re: Denega/Romani or Romano

B_Greck — 2008-11-19 22:49:12Z

Claudio,

My grandmother's brother Alexander later Alejandro, by letters translated was in Buenos Aries about that time through the 50's when the letters stopped coming. His address was listed as Alejandro Romanow Cu Avenida Parrol 1598 Buenos Aires, Argentina. Is this anything familiar?

Re: known Denega location

B_Greck — 2008-11-19 22:41:42Z

Peter my Denegas came from Zabokruki south east of L'viv. I wonder if we go back far enough if we can find the common Denega?? Mine seem to be intermarried with the Labas and Romanows. My search is leading me to Bakowce.

Barb

Re: Prodyn Family

B_Greck — 2008-11-19 22:37:19Z

Jordy have you looked at the family history center and tried to plug your name in? google Mormons Family History Center and try a search. Or I started with Ellis Island. MAke sure you are open minded about changes in spelling. They have a phonetic mode as well.

Re: Niklowicz family

keithnicklowicz — 2008-11-17 17:32:36Z

well I am also looking at my family tree and very impressed being that I know very little about the Nicklowicz last name that I carry with me each day .. My father that I know nothing about is nick nicklowicz son of joseph .. I just want to let everyone know that tripplets run in our family .. I am a tripplet my brothers are kevin and kenneth nicklowicz...

Re: Denega/Romani or Romano

B_Greck — 2008-10-05 22:38:12Z

Where in the Ukraine Elenea? I would love to see if they know of any Romanows that go back to 1900's.

Thanks, Barb

Re: Denega/Romani or Romano

B_Greck — 2008-10-05 22:36:51Z

Than you for checking back in 07 in the phone book. I recently ordered a Family History tape for the L'viv area to see if I can find church records. I have run into a wall concerning my grandmother Romanow and Ilko Denega.

But thank you for your post!!

barbara

Re: Denega/Romani or Romano

B_Greck — 2008-09-01 16:22:49Z

Hello Denega,

I read your post many years ago now and I have some new information regarding my family who came from the Zhabokrucky area of the Ukraine (listed as Austria). Ontin or Anthony was father to Ilko or Elko (born 1894).Elko married Marta Romanow and they resided in West Islip, New York. Elko had brothers one of which was John I believe. John had many sons; Peter and Paul (twins) and John. He also had one girl. They too lioved on LI, NY. Any connection? Elko's sons were John and Anthony so the names run through the family. On Yahoo they have a list serve on Galacia. This is the area where the Denegas seem to have come from. You may want to check it out.

Barb

Re: surnames

B_Greck — 2008-09-01 16:09:23Z

Dustin,

I am writing to see if the families have anything in common. My Denegas settled on Long Island from NYC where they came in through Ellis Island from Zhabokucky Ukraine(Austria). They were Ruthenarian . Ilko or Elko (1894)was my grandfather's name and he had a brother John. Twins run in the family. John had twin boys Peter and Paul. I also had an uncle Johnny who was a decorated WWII vet. His father is listed as Ontin I am told and the name Anthony does run in the family. Contact me if any of this sounds familiar.

Barbara

Re: Denega

B_Greck — 2008-09-01 16:03:34Z

Gordena,

My grandmother and grqndfather was born in Zhabokruky in the Ukraine and I was cusios about your post. Please get back to me about a possible Denega tree. My grandmother was a Romanow from the same town.

Barbara

Romanow/Denega

B_Greck — 2008-07-28 18:57:53Z

Clarification:

I have just found that Romanow is correct and Denega is correct. Both members, spouses came from Zabokruki southeast of L'viv (once called Lemberg). Zabokruki is on the Austrain Hungarian maps. They were in the Galcia area. The town is on P129. If anyone knows where records can be found for this town please contact me. Marta (father -Roman) and Ilko (father Ontin or Anthony) came over around 1911 to New York and settled in West Islip, New York. A brother of Marta's (Romanow) did go to Agentina to Buenos Aries.

Re: Charles GDANIAN obit 1969

rsgdan — 2008-05-07 11:24:00Z

Hi! I'm Roman GDANIAN. I was born in Sevastopol, Crimea in 1966. Now I live in Moscow. Maybe Charlie - my relatives. My E-mail is rsgdan@mail.ru

Re: Denega/Romani or Romano

elenasteinke — 2008-04-22 20:00:35Z

Hello,

I have friends from Ukrain with the last name Denega. Email me, and I'll be happy to put you in touch with them.

Odessa Records in Simferopol Archives

Mighthelp — 2007-12-20 13:57:43Z

Karamurza strikes me as Tartar ???

All historical documents (including birth records) for all nationalities (RUSSIAN, TATAR, JEWISH & GERMAN) are kept in the National Archive in Simferopol.

You may contact them by email at archiv@home.cris.net, although the best way to receive a response to your email will be to send it in Russian. The archive is open from 8:00 to 5:00 Monday through Friday. Individual access to much of the archive is not permitted, although for 30 USD you can pay the archivist who works in the archive to perform the research for you. No one in the archives speaks English.

Archive Location:

State Archives in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea
[Derzhavnyi arkhiv v Avtonomnii respublitsi Krym]
3 Kechkemetska St., (Archives 1)
Pavlenka 1a (Archives 2)
95680 Simferopol
Tel/Fax: (0652) 22-84-05
E-mail: archiv@home.cris.net
Working hours: Monday-Friday, 8:00-17:00
Director: Liudmyla Vitaliivna Hurbova
Deputy Director: Tetiana Dmytrivna Krikunenko
______________________________________________________

The Lutheran Church in Simferopol supposedly has a list, going back to the early 1800's, of all German families who emigrated to Crimea under Catherine the Great. This information has not actually been confirmed by the
Lutheran Church.

The city of Feodosiya has a Jewish Community Center that is very active in doing research on the Jewish community of Crimea. You may contact them at ruslilya3@mail.ru, They can communicate in basic English, but it is highly probable the response will be in Russian.

Odessa Records in Simferopol Archives

Mighthelp — 2007-12-20 13:55:48Z

Karamurza strikes me as a Tartar name???

All historical documents (including birth records) for all nationalities (RUSSIAN, TATAR, JEWISH & GERMAN) are kept in the National Archive in Simferopol.

You may contact them by email at archiv@home.cris.net, although the best way to receive a response to your email will be to send it in Russian. The archive is open from 8:00 to 5:00 Monday through Friday. Individual access to much of the archive is not permitted, although for 30 USD you can pay the archivist who works in the archive to perform the research for you. No one in the archives speaks English.

Archive Location:

State Archives in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea
[Derzhavnyi arkhiv v Avtonomnii respublitsi Krym]
3 Kechkemetska St., (Archives 1)
Pavlenka 1a (Archives 2)
95680 Simferopol
Tel/Fax: (0652) 22-84-05
E-mail: archiv@home.cris.net
Working hours: Monday-Friday, 8:00-17:00
Director: Liudmyla Vitaliivna Hurbova
Deputy Director: Tetiana Dmytrivna Krikunenko
______________________________________________________

The Lutheran Church in Simferopol supposedly has a list going back to the early 1800's of all German families who emigrated to Crimea under Catherine the Great, or so it was said at the Archive. This information has not actually been confirmed by the Lutheran Church.

The city of Feodosiya has a Jewish Community Center that is very active in doing research on the Jewish community of Crimea. You may contact them at ruslilya3@mail.ru, They can communicate in basic English, but it is highly probable the response will be in Russian.

Re: Denega/Romani or Romano

lorsyl2 — 2007-12-18 16:48:36Z

The name Денега, could be translated into English as Denega or Deneha. There are 9 Denega/Deneha families listed in the Lviv phone directory, and 3 in Kiev.

Re: Denega/Romani or Romano

B_Greck — 2007-12-18 16:25:56Z

Claudio,

I did a search one time for Ukrainians in Buenos Aries
and came up with this. There is another page off Yahoo.com that I think I found doing a search of immigration to Argentina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainians_of_Argentina

Re: Denega/Romani or Romano

B_Greck — 2007-12-18 16:15:20Z

Cladio,

I always assumed it was Alexandro Romanov, brother to my grandmother who went to Buenos Aires. I have a letter written in Russian and the return address is from a Allejandro Romanow, Buenos Aires,Argentina.The greeting is Doprera Gonerko? which I believe is "Greeting cousin". i'm assuming it's a Romanow or Romanov.

Re: Denega/Romani or Romano

B_Greck — 2007-12-18 15:26:44Z

My family name ended up being Romanov. As for Denega I'm not sure from what region this name came from, I assume the Ukraine. There is a name on my grandfather's papaers but I can't make it out. Marta Romanov came to NY and if I have the right ship manefest Rowen or Roman looks to be her father. RaboKoulli ? is the name of her town?

Re: Denega/Romani or Romano

lorsyl2 — 2007-12-18 04:02:36Z

Check Denega on this telephone directory: One listed ... Lilia.
http://www.telexplorer.com.ar/telexplorer/sp/?

Check Denega on this CEMLA site: Two entered Argentina
http://www.cemla.com/busqueda.html#

Re: Denega/Romani or Romano

claudio158 — 2007-12-18 00:32:55Z

Diana,

My grandfather, Myron Denega was born in Ukraine and came to Buenos Aires (Argentina) in 1923 or 1924 when he was 18 years old.

Do you have information about those who came to Argentina ?

Regards,

Claudio

Re: GERMAN ANCESTORS FROM CRIMEA

tafte1 — 2007-10-17 02:07:27Z

Regarding Karl Stumpp's book, does he explain why these German people migrated from Germany to Russia??

Thanks!
Eileen Taft
tafte@cfl.rr.com

Re: GERMAN ANCESTORS FROM CRIMEA

tafte1 — 2007-10-17 02:00:08Z

Would you mind checking your book to see if the familt names of Erdmann, Schott (Schut), Ehrlich are listed? I have been perplexed about why my friend's grandparents would say that they were German when they immigrated from Krym, Russia (Crimea, Ukraine). This bit of history lesson explains that. Thank you so much!

Eileen Taft
tafte@cfl.rr.com
New Smyrna Beach, FL

Re: Denega/Romani or Romano

dulli852 — 2007-10-05 13:37:57Z

I read in an article that in Venezuela there was a combination of Communist and Nationalist Ukraines immigrating in 1900. In Buenus Aires they lived in concentrated areas. The letter I found to my grandmother indicated he was a cousin not a brother. Many Romanovs or Romanows did end up there. Interestingly, the letter was written in Russian indicating that a cousin of my Romano (ow)(ov)was Russian.

Re: Denega/Romani or Romano

dianadenega — 2007-10-05 02:52:42Z

As far as I know, my Russian/Ukranian family came to the US three generations back and some also went to Argentina. Someone else was mentioning the same kind of split in their family.

Charles GDANIAN obit 1969

Obits101 — 2007-10-03 08:22:24Z

The Oklahoman (Oklahoma City, Oklahoma County, OK, USA)
05-17-1969
p.22/51

CHARLES GDANIAN

Charles Gdanian, 85, of 1912 NW 12, died
Thursday in a city nursing home. He was
a retired real estate broker.

Services will be at 10 am Monday at Guardian
Funeral Home with burial in Rose Hill Cemetery.

He was born in Yalta, Crimea, and came to the
United States in 1905. He had served as an
interpreter for the department of immigration,
St Louis, Mo., and as an employe of the Dolese
Co. for 20 years. He was a Mason. There are
no known survivors.

***posted for genealogical purposes only; no relation***

Garshin/Kara-Murza

HannaIS — 2007-09-21 15:05:45Z

I am looking for the descendants of the Garshin and Kara-Murza families who lived in Crimea in the 19th and 20th century. In addition, any history of the families would also be welcome. There are many holes in my research and finding any information is a appreciated.