1898 list of churchs needed- Looking for Edith Lillian Dow
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Re: 1898 list of churchs needed- Looking for Edith Lillian Dow
 thomasamurray1
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Posted: 30 May 2008 8:28PM GMT |
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While, at the time, registration of births provincially was still a relatively new policy, and difficult to enforce compliance with, Newton and Sarah seem to have conscientously registered their children. That Edith was not registered seems a bit strange, and suggests that at her birth her parents may have been a bit isolated, or even possibly in Maine. In 1897, when their son, Wilfred Newton, was b., they were in Northampton Parish, Carleton Co., NB. In 1902, they were in Andover, Victoria Co., NB. In 1904 and 1906, they were in Woodstock, Carleton Co., NB and in 1908 in Southampton, York Co., NB (essentially next to Northampton Parish.) This sort of suggests that Newton worked at a trade that caused some movement. Eventually, they were in Kent (near Seattle), Washington State, and had a peach and cherry orchard eventually sold to the City of Seattle. While farming was likely a part of their life, I suspect that, as with many New Brunswickers, logging in winter was also a major occupation. It is possible that, each winter, Newton (with, possibly, Sarah) were in a different logging camp.
The Edith S. Dow b. 23MAY1898 in Northampton Parish in 1901, with her mother and maternal grandparents. Newton not only does not appear to be present, but is in St, Croix, Charlotte Co., NB. Her brother, Wilfred N., is given as b. 8FEB1896. His birth record has him b. 8FEB1897.
It is wise to question the 1901 census as to birth-dates for several reasons, as Wilfred's dates attest. Often, the difference is one year. Since their parents were m. 1896, then 1897 is the right date for Wilfred, and Edith can be said to have been b. 1898-9. Otherwise, the date, 23MAY, is likely correct as Wilfred's date is correct.
I do not find the family in the 1911 census; again suggesting a possible residence in Maine.
A compilation on the family has Edith b. Saint John, New Brunswick. To me, this is questionable, and is likely based on her death record in Idaho. (I assume you are Robyn Sue, and know the relevant locations and prior compilations.) To Americans, it seems as if all New Brunswickers were b. in 'St, John's', NB. It's like saying Victoria is near Vancouver.
If a death certificate for Edith exists, then it should have her birth-date. If this matches the 1901 census, and if a 3rd record supporting the year could be found, then a birth record may be un-neccessary. If you really need a birth record, you might want to check Maine Vital Statistics. In 1901, Sarah's mother visited them in St. Andrew's (presumably in Charlotte Co., NB.) As per the 1901 census, Sarah was visting her mother in Carleton Co. Newton was in Charlotte Co., apparently right on the Canada-US border. I believe Newton's father was b. US (probably Maine), and if they were in that vicinity in 1898, when Edith was b.; it is likely she was b. on the Maine side.
As to the matter of church records. Indications are that Srah (and, presumably, Newton) were very religious; as common from the Bible belt of NB one might expect.
Newton, in 1881 in Canterbury Parish, York Co., NB, was C. Baptist, as was his father and sister, but his mother was Methodist. A bit unusual, as children usually were influenced by their mother's choice. For example, as Sarah (in St. Mary's Parish, York Co., NB in 1881) was of a Methodist family, I would assume her children were likely Methodist as well. Since this appears to have an exception, it seems likely that Neton's father felt strongly on the matter, and Newton may have as well. For example, in the 1891 census of Northampton Parish, Carleton Co., NB (they apparently lived very close to the Carleton Co. - York Co. boundary) Newton's father and brother are, like himself, Baptist; but his mother and sister, Jennie, are Methodist.
Aaron Dow's family is, in 1891, also indicated as living in Richmond Parish, Carleton Co., NB. However, I believe the Carleton Co. genealogical web site has, inadvertently, reproduced census returns from one parish under another. At least I have seen previous indications. If, in 1881, they were in Canterbury Parish, York Co; then, in 1891, it seems they were more likely in Northampton Parish, Carleton. The situations may be sufficiently proximate that a 'move' was made without the necessity of actually changing residences. I think the issue is significant enough to diverge momentarily and demonstrate. At:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nbcarlet/richmond1891.htm
57 Cluff, Samuel M 72 M Ire Ire Ire Meth farmer
57 Cluff, Jane F 67 M W " " " "
57 Cluff, Robert H. M 27 S NB " " " farmer
57 Cluff, Lizzie M. F 23 D " " " "
57 Cluff, William O. M 35 M S " " " " farmer
57 Cluff, Etta F 29 M L US US US "
57 Cluff, Lulu L. F 6 L " NB " "
57 Cluff, Chester C. M 4 L " " " "
57 Cluff, George S. M 6mo L NB " " "
57 Ross, William J. M 9 L " " NB "
58 Dow, Aaron W. M 43 M NB NB US B farmer
58 Dow, Martha L. F 38 M W " Ire NB Meth
58 Dow, Newton S. M 16 S " NB " B
58 Dow, Jennie M. F 13 D " " " Meth
58 Dow, Guy C. M 7 S " " " B
59 Rogers, Samuel M 68 W NB Ire Ire Meth farmer
59 Rogers, Lizzie M. F 24 D " NB " "
59 Cox, Harry Peters M 32 M L " " " CE blacksmith
59 Cox, Melinda F 32 M L " " " FB
59 Cox, Dolly F 3 L " " NB "
59 Cox, Harry S. M 1 L " " " CE
while at:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nbcarlet/northampton1891.h...
57 Cluff, Samuel M 72 M Ire Ire Ire Meth farmer
57 Cluff, Jane F 67 M W " " " "
57 Cluff, Robert H. M 27 S NB " " " farmer
57 Cluff, Lizzie M. F 23 D " " " "
57 Cluff, William O. M 35 M S " " " " farmer
57 Cluff, Etta F 29 M L US US US "
57 Cluff, Lulu L. F 6 L " NB " "
57 Cluff, Chester C. M 4 L " " " "
57 Cluff, George S. M 6mo L NB " " "
57 Ross, William J. M 9 L " " NB "
58 Dow, Aaron W. M 43 M NB NB US B farmer
58 Dow, Martha L. F 38 M W " Ire NB Meth
58 Dow, Newton S. M 16 S " NB " B
58 Dow, Jennie M. F 13 D " " " Meth
58 Dow, Guy C. M 7 S " " " B
59 Rogers, Samuel M 68 W NB Ire Ire Meth farmer
59 Rogers, Lizzie M. F 24 D " NB " "
59 Cox, Harry Peters M 32 M L " " " CE blacksmith
59 Cox, Melinda F 32 M L " " " FB
59 Cox, Dolly F 3 L " " NB "
59 Cox, Harry S. M 1 L " " " CE
sufficiently removed (supposedly) to be two different locations; but obviously taken from the same return. The question arises, were the Dow's in one parish or the other? Until a correction is made, or the original checked, I can only suggest that Northampton Parish is indicated, and Richmond Parish is 'missing'.
The point of the above is that, in identifying a specific church the records of which might be searched for a baptism, we have several problems. Which denomination is most likely? At present, Calvinist Baptist has a slight edge, with Methodist (therefore, United Church of Canada) a close second. The next problem is where the Church would be? Generally, Carleton Co. seems probable; but York Co. (the northern part) seems possible; as does Charlotte Co. and even Maine.
That Edith was given as b. 'St. John' suggests she was, in fact, b. in NB (although I see reason to question this.) If the information was from a death certificate, the informant may not have known that she was, say, actually b. Maine. On the other hand, Charlotte Co. is far closer to Saint John than Carleton Co.; and the proximity gives some validity to the place-of-birth in the sense of 'near Saint John'. United Church Archives, for the Maritimes, are in Sackville, NB, and it may be there that the record you seek is kept. I would suggest that you go to:
http://archives.gnb.ca/Archives/Default.aspx?culture=en-CA
go to the drop-down at 'Research Tools', look at 'County Guides', especially for Carleton, York and Charlotte counties. These will indicate church records on microfilm at the Provincial Archives of NB. There are several collections of church records for Carleton Co.; and I think that the Methodist records for Northampton (1868-1966) and Richmond (1868-1925) on microfilm reel F-6246 would be worth reviewing simply on the basis of what is noted above. If nothing else, if may resolved the issue as to which parish Newton's family was in. The United Church records for both parishes are, at least partially, on the same microfilm. It would appear that it would be interesting to examine it from you point-of-view.
As to checking Maine Vital Statistics, I know this is possible as many are on microfilm at the state archives in Augusta; but I would not know the prodedure; nor whether the films are available by interlibrary loan.
Thomas
The Edith S. Dow b. 23MAY1898 in Northampton Parish in 1901, with her mother and maternal grandparents. Newton not only does not appear to be present, but is in St, Croix, Charlotte Co., NB. Her brother, Wilfred N., is given as b. 8FEB1896. His birth record has him b. 8FEB1897.
It is wise to question the 1901 census as to birth-dates for several reasons, as Wilfred's dates attest. Often, the difference is one year. Since their parents were m. 1896, then 1897 is the right date for Wilfred, and Edith can be said to have been b. 1898-9. Otherwise, the date, 23MAY, is likely correct as Wilfred's date is correct.
I do not find the family in the 1911 census; again suggesting a possible residence in Maine.
A compilation on the family has Edith b. Saint John, New Brunswick. To me, this is questionable, and is likely based on her death record in Idaho. (I assume you are Robyn Sue, and know the relevant locations and prior compilations.) To Americans, it seems as if all New Brunswickers were b. in 'St, John's', NB. It's like saying Victoria is near Vancouver.
If a death certificate for Edith exists, then it should have her birth-date. If this matches the 1901 census, and if a 3rd record supporting the year could be found, then a birth record may be un-neccessary. If you really need a birth record, you might want to check Maine Vital Statistics. In 1901, Sarah's mother visited them in St. Andrew's (presumably in Charlotte Co., NB.) As per the 1901 census, Sarah was visting her mother in Carleton Co. Newton was in Charlotte Co., apparently right on the Canada-US border. I believe Newton's father was b. US (probably Maine), and if they were in that vicinity in 1898, when Edith was b.; it is likely she was b. on the Maine side.
As to the matter of church records. Indications are that Srah (and, presumably, Newton) were very religious; as common from the Bible belt of NB one might expect.
Newton, in 1881 in Canterbury Parish, York Co., NB, was C. Baptist, as was his father and sister, but his mother was Methodist. A bit unusual, as children usually were influenced by their mother's choice. For example, as Sarah (in St. Mary's Parish, York Co., NB in 1881) was of a Methodist family, I would assume her children were likely Methodist as well. Since this appears to have an exception, it seems likely that Neton's father felt strongly on the matter, and Newton may have as well. For example, in the 1891 census of Northampton Parish, Carleton Co., NB (they apparently lived very close to the Carleton Co. - York Co. boundary) Newton's father and brother are, like himself, Baptist; but his mother and sister, Jennie, are Methodist.
Aaron Dow's family is, in 1891, also indicated as living in Richmond Parish, Carleton Co., NB. However, I believe the Carleton Co. genealogical web site has, inadvertently, reproduced census returns from one parish under another. At least I have seen previous indications. If, in 1881, they were in Canterbury Parish, York Co; then, in 1891, it seems they were more likely in Northampton Parish, Carleton. The situations may be sufficiently proximate that a 'move' was made without the necessity of actually changing residences. I think the issue is significant enough to diverge momentarily and demonstrate. At:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nbcarlet/richmond1891.htm
57 Cluff, Samuel M 72 M Ire Ire Ire Meth farmer
57 Cluff, Jane F 67 M W " " " "
57 Cluff, Robert H. M 27 S NB " " " farmer
57 Cluff, Lizzie M. F 23 D " " " "
57 Cluff, William O. M 35 M S " " " " farmer
57 Cluff, Etta F 29 M L US US US "
57 Cluff, Lulu L. F 6 L " NB " "
57 Cluff, Chester C. M 4 L " " " "
57 Cluff, George S. M 6mo L NB " " "
57 Ross, William J. M 9 L " " NB "
58 Dow, Aaron W. M 43 M NB NB US B farmer
58 Dow, Martha L. F 38 M W " Ire NB Meth
58 Dow, Newton S. M 16 S " NB " B
58 Dow, Jennie M. F 13 D " " " Meth
58 Dow, Guy C. M 7 S " " " B
59 Rogers, Samuel M 68 W NB Ire Ire Meth farmer
59 Rogers, Lizzie M. F 24 D " NB " "
59 Cox, Harry Peters M 32 M L " " " CE blacksmith
59 Cox, Melinda F 32 M L " " " FB
59 Cox, Dolly F 3 L " " NB "
59 Cox, Harry S. M 1 L " " " CE
while at:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nbcarlet/northampton1891.h...
57 Cluff, Samuel M 72 M Ire Ire Ire Meth farmer
57 Cluff, Jane F 67 M W " " " "
57 Cluff, Robert H. M 27 S NB " " " farmer
57 Cluff, Lizzie M. F 23 D " " " "
57 Cluff, William O. M 35 M S " " " " farmer
57 Cluff, Etta F 29 M L US US US "
57 Cluff, Lulu L. F 6 L " NB " "
57 Cluff, Chester C. M 4 L " " " "
57 Cluff, George S. M 6mo L NB " " "
57 Ross, William J. M 9 L " " NB "
58 Dow, Aaron W. M 43 M NB NB US B farmer
58 Dow, Martha L. F 38 M W " Ire NB Meth
58 Dow, Newton S. M 16 S " NB " B
58 Dow, Jennie M. F 13 D " " " Meth
58 Dow, Guy C. M 7 S " " " B
59 Rogers, Samuel M 68 W NB Ire Ire Meth farmer
59 Rogers, Lizzie M. F 24 D " NB " "
59 Cox, Harry Peters M 32 M L " " " CE blacksmith
59 Cox, Melinda F 32 M L " " " FB
59 Cox, Dolly F 3 L " " NB "
59 Cox, Harry S. M 1 L " " " CE
sufficiently removed (supposedly) to be two different locations; but obviously taken from the same return. The question arises, were the Dow's in one parish or the other? Until a correction is made, or the original checked, I can only suggest that Northampton Parish is indicated, and Richmond Parish is 'missing'.
The point of the above is that, in identifying a specific church the records of which might be searched for a baptism, we have several problems. Which denomination is most likely? At present, Calvinist Baptist has a slight edge, with Methodist (therefore, United Church of Canada) a close second. The next problem is where the Church would be? Generally, Carleton Co. seems probable; but York Co. (the northern part) seems possible; as does Charlotte Co. and even Maine.
That Edith was given as b. 'St. John' suggests she was, in fact, b. in NB (although I see reason to question this.) If the information was from a death certificate, the informant may not have known that she was, say, actually b. Maine. On the other hand, Charlotte Co. is far closer to Saint John than Carleton Co.; and the proximity gives some validity to the place-of-birth in the sense of 'near Saint John'. United Church Archives, for the Maritimes, are in Sackville, NB, and it may be there that the record you seek is kept. I would suggest that you go to:
http://archives.gnb.ca/Archives/Default.aspx?culture=en-CA
go to the drop-down at 'Research Tools', look at 'County Guides', especially for Carleton, York and Charlotte counties. These will indicate church records on microfilm at the Provincial Archives of NB. There are several collections of church records for Carleton Co.; and I think that the Methodist records for Northampton (1868-1966) and Richmond (1868-1925) on microfilm reel F-6246 would be worth reviewing simply on the basis of what is noted above. If nothing else, if may resolved the issue as to which parish Newton's family was in. The United Church records for both parishes are, at least partially, on the same microfilm. It would appear that it would be interesting to examine it from you point-of-view.
As to checking Maine Vital Statistics, I know this is possible as many are on microfilm at the state archives in Augusta; but I would not know the prodedure; nor whether the films are available by interlibrary loan.
Thomas