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Re: Brien/Bryant

thomasamurray1 — 2013-05-02 22:33:44Z

As for Phoebe's baptism, there is a microfilm reference at:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nbken/BaptNorth.html
That may be worth following up. This actually comes from:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nbken/
Use the second search engine as the first does not work.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nbken/DeathNorth.html
for example has Edward's wife. Elizabeth. This is on the same microfilm so there is evidence for Phoebe's parentage.

Thomas.

Re: Brien/Bryant

thomasamurray1 — 2013-05-02 22:24:31Z

As to George McRae being connected to the Northumberland Co., McRae's I would doubt it. The sense I get is that the NB families were descended from several British soldiers of the American Revolution; possibly related probably not. The PEI families I would anticipate were later arrivals after 1783, possibly after 1800. In 1881 there were 81 McRae's, not accounting for variations in spelling. This suggests not only a large family, but several families. They may have a common origin but I simply cannot get any relevant information that permits even a reasonable hypothesis.

A bit I missed:

William Patricious Bryant, m. Maria Coughlan (b. 23AUG1799; m. 2nd 25APR1833 John Bowser), d/o Thomas Coughlan.

I would suggest a query on George at:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/canada/princeedwardisland/
and at:
http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.canada.princee...

Thomas.

Re: Brien/Bryant

mispeck — 2013-05-02 15:03:59Z

correction: Elizabeth Bryant d/o William and Phebe was born in Chatham. I do not have a source for the birth of her daughter Pheobe E. (Wright).

Re: Brien/Bryant

mispeck — 2013-05-02 14:02:45Z

There's a lot there to think about. I agree that Mary was likely a Bryant and probably born PEI. That Mary and Elizabeth were related seems likely. There is an online tree that says Elizabeth was born in PEI but I've not found a source.

The witnesses on William and Mary's marriage are hard to read, the first almost impossible (James ?, Sr.), the second looks like Richard Small, a name I've not come across in North'd County but note that there are Smalls in Charlotte County.

(I did not see the Bryant/McRae connection coming...do you know if that McRae (George) was connected to the North'd County McRaes?)

Re: McLean/MacLean Escuminac

Creamerfowler — 2013-05-01 04:35:34Z

I am researching a Black family from Newcastle, NB. One son married a Grace McLean b. abt 1850. I believe she is the daughter of Donald and Elizabeth. I've traced this Grace from Newcastle in 1881 to Boston. Is that one of your McLeans?

Re: Brien/Bryant

thomasamurray1 — 2013-04-30 18:50:51Z

I kind of saw the PEI thing coming and from what I have seen her maiden name was Bryant and she was b. PEI. I also suspect she was related to the Weldford Parish, Kent Co., NB Bryant's, also from PEI. Some of their relatives married some of my Murray cousins in Bedeque but I could find nothing relevant. You probably have gone through most of this, and I could not find anything definite but I'll paste in the notes of my search in case anything is useful.

Thomas.

So far, it seems as if Mary Bryant b. PEI ca. 1819-21, m. Chatham Parish, Northumberland Co., NB 26NOV1842 William Lobban (b. ca. 1812-3, d. Chatham Parish, Northumberland Co., NB 14APR1882 age 69 years), possibly a s/o Thomas and Jane Loban, was a Bryant. Also that there were other members of her family in Chatham Parish roughly between 1821 and 1851. Mary is said to have arrived in NB in 1835.
A newspaper announcement has them married in Chatham Parish 26NOV1842. She is given as Mary 'Brien'. The 24NOV1842 date might be a reference to a marriage bond or license.
Her connection to the others is difficult to determine. These may include:

William Bryant b. ca. 1801, d. Andover, Victoria Co., NB MAY1853, m. Chatham Parish, Northumberland Co., NB 4JUN1823 Phoebe Daniels (b. ca. JAN1797 ( ca. 1800), d. Tobique, Andover Parish, Victoria Co., NB 19JUN1867 age 69 years and 5 months; m. 1st Daniel Hart (Hartt)).
The estate of Daniel Hartt of Chatham Parish was executed by Phoebe Hartt and John Lobban in 1823. John Lobban's wife, Elizabeth, d. Chatham Parish MAY1831 age 64 years. John Lobban b. ca. 1769, d. 9OCT1832, is said to have arrived in NB about 1822 from PEI. William is also said to have had brothers, John and Alexander, so there may have been two John Lobban's.
It seems possible that at least some of the Bryant's were connected to PEI as well. In 1881, Mary (60) was b. PEI. William 'Loban' (68) and the children were b. NB. In 1891, their daughters, Marjory (30), Mary (26) and Annie (19) were b. Nb as was their father and their mother was b. PEI.

James Bryant, d. Portland, Maine 6OCT1859, m. Fredericton, York Co., NB FEB1827 Sarah Avery (b. ca. 1805, d. 3 Mecklenburg St., Saint John 22JAN1869 age 64 years).

Edward Lobban b. ca. 1803-4, d. at the home of his son-in-law, J. M. Wright, Tobique, Andover Parish, Victoria Co., NB 14APR1877 age 74 years, m. Chatham Parish, Northumberland Co., NB JUN1835 Elizabeth Bryant (b. ca. 1815, d. Chatham Parish 21FEB1840 age 25 years). Their 7 month old daughter. Lydia Elizabeth Loban, Bpt. 5JUL1840, died 21AUG1840. It appears that Elizabeth died of childbirth.
Edward may be the Edwd Lobban b. ca. 1804 in Chatham in 1851. He is given as arrived in 1823.
I wonder of Phoebe Lobban b. ca. 1832 was not Edward's daughter? this seems probable as, in 1871, in Andover Parish, James Michael Wright (ca. 1830) and 'Phebeo' E. (ca. 1839; (Phoebe Elizabeth) had Edward E. (16), 'Anny' E. (14), William J. (12), Wayman (8; Weyman Clifford Wright b. 7FEB1864), and 'Frences' J. (daughter, 3). Of these, Edward E. Wright (27JUL1854 (1855?)- 22JUN19380 was the s/o James and Phoebe ('Loban) Wright. John William Wright (6JAN1859-21AUG1946) had the same parents. Although, in later life, she was Phoebe Elizabeth Lobban she was baptized as Edward's daughter 4MAR1838 as Phoebe Bryant Lobban. She was b. 24DEC1837. Edward was baptized as an adult 20AUG1835 as M. Edward Lobban.
Edward did have a son, William John Dean Lobban b. 11MAR1836. A daughter m. _____ Stirling. Apparently she and her sister, Phoebe (Lobban) Wright, were living in New York by 1894. Another daughter may have been Mrs. Parker.
There was a Bryant Wright (11AUG1921-14AUG19210, s/o Herman Wright in Victoria Co.
Since Phoebe Lobban appears to be the daughter of Edward Lobban, then probably Edward's 2nd (?) wife,, Elizabeth Bryant, appears to be a sister of William Bryant. Phoebe, then, would be (in some fashion) William Bryant's niece.

Jane Miller b. ca. 1831, a niece of William and Mary (Bryant) Lobban in 1851.

That Mary Bryant was b. in PEI ca. 1819-21 suggests that she may have been a daughter of William and Maria (Cochrane) Briant of Richmond, PEI. William and Maria had a daughter, Mary Ann Briant b. Lot 25 2SEP1821, baptized Richmond Parish Church of England Church 16JUL1823. The couple are also given as William and Maria (Coughlen) Bryant and another daughter was:

Johanna Bryant b. Lot 16 22SEP1832, baptized 25APR1833.

At:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/bryant/messages/3447.html
Mary Ann, d/o William Patricious Bryant and Maria Coughlan is given as m. George McRae. It also suggested that they began in NB, and after William's death, Maria remarried and moved back to NB; apparently to Kent Co., NB. See also:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&d...

Children of William and Mary (Bryant) Lobban were:
1. MARTHA LOBBAN b. ca. 1843.
2. THOMAS A. LOBBAN b. ca. 1844.
3. MARJORY (MARGERY) A. LOBBAN b. ca. 1846-8 (ca. 1861?).
4. CATHARINE (KATE) LOBBAN b. ca. 1848-53, m. _____ SNOW.
5. ELIZA B. LOBBAN b. ca. 1852-6 (PEI ca. 1865?), m. Amherst, Cumberland Co., NS 15MAR1893 ROBERT LARKIN (b. PEI ca. 1855; m. 1st _____), s/o Alex and Flora Larkin.
When they married, Robert was living in North Dakota. Eliza B. Loban is given as b. Charlottetown, but I rather suspect that this may be an error for Chatham. She was also given as age 28 years, but again, this is not clear and I suspect the age is not accurate especially as, 2 years before, she was age 35. Robert was likely b. Charlottetown but he is just given as b. PEI.
In 1891, Eliza B. and Nellie Loban lived with their widowed sister, Kate Snow, in Amherst. Their mother was b. PEI.
6. JOHN LOBBAN b. ca. 1854.
7. WILLIAM LOBBAN b. ca. 1856.
8. HELEN (ELLEN, NELLIE) LOBBAN b. Chatham Parish, Northumberland Co., NB ca. 13MAR1858 (1858-9), d. 115 Lawrence St., Halifax, Halifax Co., NS 6DEC1936, m. Northumberland Co., NB 31DEC1896 FREDERICK CHARLES WILTSHIRE (b. Bedford, England ca. 1866), s/o George and Ann (Hulatt) Wiltshire.
In her death registration Frederick stated that she was the daughter of William 'Laban' b. NB and of Mary O'Brien b. PEI. I find it remarkable that he knew Mary was b. PEI and not surprising that he might remember Mary;'s maiden name incorrectly.
9. MARY LOBBAN b. 1861 (ca. 1862, ca. 1855?), d. Chatham, Chatham Parish, Northumberland Co., NB 30SEP1933 age 72 years).
Mary's death registration not only gives her mother as Mary 'Bryan' but that her mother was b. Prince Edward Island. The information was given by her sister, Mrs. Fred Wiltshire of Chatham.
J. ANNIE G. LOBBAN b. ca. 1872-3, m. Amherst, Cumberland Co., NS 31AUG1892 JAMES MITCHELL FALCONER (FALKNER) (b. Taunton, MA ca. 1870), s/o James and Nettie Falconer.

Re: Brien/Bryant

mispeck — 2013-04-28 23:33:55Z

Thank you Thomas. Muddying the water a bit more...there is a death record for a Margaret Laban--informant sister Mary, parents William Loban,(Chatham) and Mary Cocherane (PEI). Based on the date of death, and an unsourced death notice, I suspect that this is likely Marjorie Loban d/o William and Mary.

According to the 1861 census Mary 'Brien' was born in PEI. I have not found a baptism for their oldest child(Martha, b1843)or another marriage for Mary.

Re: Brien/Bryant

thomasamurray1 — 2013-04-28 20:12:30Z

The marriage record of her daughter, Helen (Nellie) 'Loban' also gives her as Mary Bryant. One might think that the majority of records give her maiden name as Bryant but there are problems. For example, in 1851, there is no indication of a Bryant family in Chatham Parish nor in Northumberland Co. Nor do the 1865 and 1867 directories indicate such a family.

On 4JUN1823 William Bryant of Chatham m. Chatham Phoebe, the widow of Dan' Hart; so there were other Bryant's in the area. William Bryant d. Andover, Victoria Co., NB MAY1853. In 1851, in Andover Parish, he was age 50 and 'Phebe' was age 51. With them was 'Phebe Loban' (12), a 'lodger', but in the circumstances likely a granddaughter. Phoebe, Sr. d. Tobique, Andover Parish 19JUN1867 at the home of James Knight. She was age 69 years and 5 months.

James Bryant of the Miramichi m. Fredericton FEB1827 Sarah Avery. James was in Chatham in 1845 when his son, James William Bryant, d. MAY1845 age 2 years and 11 months. James was likely the James Bryant, "an old inhabitant of Miramichi", who d. Portland, Maine 6OCT1859. Sarah M. Bryant d. 3 Mecklenburg St., Saint John 22JAN1869 age 64 years. It would appear that James was a brother of William rather than a son.

Not much but it appears, at a guess, that brothers, William and James Bryant, lived in Chatham Parish in the early 1800's but moved to Victoria Co. and Maine by 1851. Mary (b. ca. 1819) would likely be the daughter of one; probably William by a 1st marriage. In 1851, Mary is, however, given as arrived in NB 1835 in the 1851 census. William Bryant, in 1851, is given as arrived 1821. This does not exclude the hypothesis, but certainly makes it difficult. Certainly William was associated with the Lobban's.

Elizabeth Bryant m. Chatham JUN1835 Edward Lobban. Edward may be the Edwd Lobban b. ca. 1804 in Chatham in 1851. He is given as arrived in 1823 where William was b. in NB. Gain an apparent contradiction.

I do not have time for more now.

Thomas.

Brien/Bryant

mispeck — 2013-04-28 14:14:04Z

Looking for the family of Mary Brien who married William Lobban in Northumberland County on Nov 24, 1842. According to the marriage record they were both from Chatham. She signed with a mark and the name was spelled Brien. According to death records for their children her maiden name could have been Bryant or O'Brien.

Re: Angus McLean and Annabella McDonald

thomasamurray1 — 2013-04-22 17:59:40Z

It's a Scottish thing. There are several names like that. Helen and Ellen are another example. There is also a lot of fuss about whether surnames should be Mc or Mac, but there is actually no difference; or at least there wasn't at one time. I think that technically, its should be M', as in M'Donald; but that's an old form. But, yes, Donald and Daniel were often interchangeable.

Thomas.

Re: McLean/MacLean Escuminac

2_Guitard — 2013-04-22 14:51:55Z

The only source is the catholic record of Escuminac but I guess there is other baptism for the other children in the records of some other parishes nearby. James was also baptized in the catholic record of Escuminac.

Re: Angus McLean and Annabella McDonald

CACormierKirby — 2013-04-22 14:19:20Z

Thanks, Thomas. You are always a wealth of information. So confusing these people are!
For the record, I have found that Donald and Daniel seem to be interchangeable in some records. I don't know why.

Re: McLean/MacLean Escuminac

CACormierKirby — 2013-04-22 14:08:46Z

Thank you. I'm glad I came here for something else because for some reason I got not notification.
May I ask your sources?
I assume Mary was baptized in the Catholic church so she could marry Thomas.
Do you know if James was also baptized Catholic?
Thanks again.

Re: Mrs Sarah (Kennedy, Daley) McLean, Loggieville, New Brunswick

JamesECraig09 — 2013-04-21 21:25:24Z

FromSkyeSheComes

Who were you replying to on this thread?

James.

PS
I'm in Scotland - you are closer than me I expect.

Re: Mrs Sarah (Kennedy, Daley) McLean, Loggieville, New Brunswick

thomasamurray1 — 2013-04-21 20:47:21Z

I don't think I am related and I have no photos.

Thomas.

Re: Mrs Sarah (Kennedy, Daley) McLean, Loggieville, New Brunswick

FromSkyeSheComes — 2013-04-21 18:45:24Z

David McLean was not the son of Alex McLean and Sarah (Kennedy) Daley. David was the son of Alexander's 2nd wife, Margaret Bonnell.

I am interested in any information, especially photos, of Sarah and Alexander, as Alexander was my great-grandfather and I've no photos of him and would like to learn more about his life in New Brunswick.

Re: McLean/MacLean Escuminac

2_Guitard — 2013-04-20 22:12:01Z

Marie McLin aged 19 yrs old baptized on May 1st, 1824 in Escuminac - she is the one married the same year to Thomas Windle. In the marriage certificat the name of Mary's mother seems to be given as Mac Ray but on the baptism paper the name is Paguay McCoy(Peggy is usualy a short name for Margaret).
Another son James baptized on August 15, 1819 son of Donald McLean and Margaret McCoy. In both baptism the name McCoy is really readable without any doubt.
Hope this will be of some help to you.

Angus McLean and Annabella McDonald

thomasamurray1 — 2013-04-20 20:50:44Z

In 1851, the only Annabela McDonald in Glenelg Parish b. near to 1838 was Annabela McDonald (15), d/o James (59) and Catharine (47) McDonald.

By 1871, 'Angis McLain' (37) and Annabella (30) have moved to Chatham Paris where they lived next to his parents, 'Donneld McLain' (67) and 'Elisabeth' (64). Donald and Elizabeth's other children in 1871 are John (27), Hugh (25), Grace (21) and Mary (11). Angus and Hugh are both given as 'pillot' (i.e., pilots for ship on the Miramichi). Angus and Annabella had 'Barbari' (6), Catharine (4), 'Elisabeth' (3) and Mary (SEPT1870).

In 1871 Angus (37), John (27), Hugh (25) and Grace (21) were with their parents in Glenelg Parish as Angus (19), John (13), Hugh (10) and Grace (2).

In 1851, next door to Donald (47) and Elizabeth (43) 'McLane' were Hugh (44) and Grace (37) McLane and family. I assume that Donald and Hugh were brothers. When Hugh's daughter, Barbara, married in 1867 her father was given as living in Escuminac. This suggests a 155 acre grant at McLean's Cove to Donald McLean. Others in the grant seem to have been Donald McKay, Paul Mazeroll, Lemuel Martin, Peter Mazerol, Jos. Doucett, Peter Herbert, etc.; all fronting Baie-Ste.-Anne. At the further end of this grant, in Lot 20, near Eel River, was Alex. McDonald 118? acres). This would refer to a grant that included Donald McLean (155 acres) made in what was then Glenelg Parish 24APR1818, and included:

DOUCET, Joseph Jr. 74 acres
DOUCET, Joseph Sr. 95 acres
MCDONALD, Alexander 118 acres
MAZEROLL, Paul Jr. 130 acres
MAZEROLL, Peter 230 acres
MARTIN, Lemuel 223 acres
MCDONALD, Alexander 118 acres

and others.In addition to the 155 acres in Lot 3, Donald McLean received Lot 1 of 110 acres.

I would guess that Donald McLean (ca. 1804), Hugh McLean (ca. 1807) and Hugh's brother, James (ca. 1817, living with Hugh in 1851) were sons of Donald McLean of the 1818 grant. Hugh, James and Donald, and possibly a fourth brother, Alexander McLean (ca. 1811-3) are listed in the 1861 census of what is now Hardwicke Parish at:
http://www.robocker.com/NorthumberlandNB/hardwicke1861census...

Even more of a guess would be that James McDonald (ca. 1792), Annabella's father, may have been a s/o Alexander McDonald of the same grant. At this point the available resources seem to make conjecture futile. For example, an Alexander McDonald b. Ross-shire, Scotland ca. 1775, arrived in NB in 1803, d. Little Brook, Black River, Northumberland Co., NB 31OCT1843. Alexander McDonald b. Arisaig, Inverness-shire, Scotland ca. 1762, arrived in 1790, d. Lower Bay du Vin 29NOV1848. By 1851 there were 13 Alexander's in Glenelg Parish. Trying to sort out McDonald's would be a herculean task requiring in-depth searches far beyond the present limitations of the internet. I think, however, that I can state that Annabella (McDonald) McLean b. Glenelg Parish, Northumberland Co., NB 26AUG1838, d. Chatham Parish, Northumberland Co., NB 28DEC1915, m. 20JAN1864 Angus McLean (b. 7JUL1833), was very likely the daughter of James and Catherine McDonald.

Apparently James b. ca. 1792 was James McDonald b. 11MAR1792, s/o Alexander and Grace (McLean) McDonald and he m. Catherine Taylor. If, as you say, Angus McLean and Annabella McDonald were 3rd cousins, then James McDonald and Donald McLean may have been 2nd cousins. If Donald McLean (ca. 1804) was the s/o Donald McLean of the 1818 grant, then Donald, Sr. and Grace McLean were possibly 1st cousins.

There is much that is confusing. For example Alexander McDonald, husband of Grace McLean, at:
http://nbgs.automatedgenealogy.com/firstfamilies/FAMILY-McA-...
is given as d. 11DEC1834 and to have lived at Bartibog. According to an entry in, "The Gleaner and Northumberland Schediasma", 30DEC1834, that Alexander was:

"d. Bartibog,Thursday 11th inst., Lt. Col. Alexander McDONALD age 72, native of Argylshire, Scotland. Came to Miramichi in 1784. Left family."

Yet it seems unnecessary to go to Bartibog to find a father, Alexander, for James. James McDonald was one of the administrators of the estate of Robert Taylor of Glenelg Parish in 1823. Margaret Taylor and Wm. Taylor were others. Were Robert and Margaret Taylor his wife's parents? The Alexander McDonald who d. Little Brook, Black River, Northumberland Co., NB 31OCT1843 also appears to have had a wife, Grace. It seems there is a great deal of potential for confusion.

At:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rbarry4145...
it is stated that Robert Taylor's wife was Margaret 'McLain', d/o Daniel M. McLain. This would suggest, as above, that Catherine McLean (ca. 1780?) and Donald McLean (ca. 1804) were second cousins. Therefore that Daniel M. McLean and Grace (McLean) McDonald were 1st cousins. Does this mean that Donald McLean in the 1818 grant was the same person as Daniel M. McLean? I see no Daniel McLean petitioning for land in Northumberland Co. early on. For Donald, however; there is:

1802
MCLEAN, DONALD
TAYLOR, JOHN
TAYLOR, ROBERT

1806
MCLEAN, CATHERINE
MCLEAN, DONALD
MCLEAN, JANE
MCLEAN, JOHN

This one seems to have resulted in the 1818 grant.

1814
MCLEAN, DONALD
MCDONALD, ALEXANDER
MCKINNON, GREGORY
TAYLOR, ALEXANDER
TAYLOR, PATRICK
TAYLOR, ROBERT
TAYLOR, WILLIAM

and a number of others. The index to grants shows similar results. There is no Daniel McLean.

1NOV1813 Newcastle Parish:
McLEAN, Donald 49 acres (shared with another, probably Alexander McDonald)
HEBERE, John 49 acres
MCDONALD, Alexander 98 acres
MUZEROLL, Joseph 49 acres
MUZEROLL, Maturin 49 acres
MUZEROLL, Paul 49 acres
TAYLOR, Robert 49 acres
TIBODO, Joseph 49 acres

In the 1818 grant also appear:
MAZEROLL, David 140 acres
MAZEROLL, Paul Jr. 130 acres
MAZEROLL, Peter 230 acres
MCDONALD, Alexander 118 acres

It is important to know that Glenelg Parish was created in 1814, probably from Newcastle Parish, therefore the 1813 Newcastle Parish grant was likely in what is now Hardwicke or in Glenelg Parish. Again one does not have to go to Bartibog to find an Alexander McDonald nor is it Daniel M. McLean who is associated with Robert Taylor.

So, if James McDonald, father of Annabella McDonald, was the son of an Alexander and Grace McDonald, I would choose that Alexander and Grace who lived in the same neighbourhood, who were associated with James McDonald's apparent father-in-law, Robert Taylor, and with Angus McLean's apparent grandfather, Donald McLean. Since Robert Taylor m. Margaret McLean, apparently Angus' aunt (if Margaret was Donald McLean's (ca. 1804) sister), and Annabella McDonald's grandmother, this might explain the consanguinity between Angus and Annabella. Perhaps more practical is that Margaret (McLean) Taylor and Donald McLean (1818 grant) were siblings. This suggests two lines-of-descent;

Daniel M. McLean
Margaret McLean (ca. 1780) m. Robert Taylor
Catherine Taylor (ca. 1804) m. James McDonald (ca. 1792)
Annabella McDonald (ca. 1836-8)

Daniel M. McLean
Donald McLean
Donald McLean (ca. 1794) m. Elizabeth _____ (ca. 1797)
Angus McLean (ca. 1832-4)

with Angus and Annabella being 3rd cousins. Still, Daniel M. McLean may be more myth.

The conclusions reached elsewhere so far seem so suspicious to me and I am so confused at this point that I think I will leave further speculation to those more deeply immersed in these puzzles.

Thomas.

Re: KINGSTONS and McDONALDS of Bay du Vin and Black River Bridge

CACormierKirby — 2013-04-20 13:08:40Z

FYI
I can't be sure Annabell is d/o Alexander McDonald and Grace McAskill but just in case:
Annabell born either Black River or Bay du Vin on Aug. 26, 1838 married Angus McLean s/o Donald and Elizabeth on Jan. 20, 1864 (Drouin collection). They received a dispensation from the bishop of Chatham (3rd degree consanguinity which I believe means they shared great grandparents.)
I am actually researching McLeans. My gg grandmother, Mary Grace Windle was d/o Thomas Windle and Mary McLean of Kent Co. They lived in Escuminac before moving to Richibucto. Mary McLean was d/o Donald McLean and Margaret McRae.
I am interested in Angus McLean because he was RC and a sponsor at the baptism of one of my family and also that is is s/o Donald. Donald is on the same page of the 1851 census as Michael Carroll who married Elizabeth Windle d/o Thomas and Mary McLean Windle.

McLean/MacLean Escuminac

CACormierKirby — 2013-04-20 12:39:14Z

I am interested in this family in Escuminac:
Donald McLean born 1804 in NB.
Elizabeth born 1808
Their children:
Donald born 1830
Angus born 1832
Barbara born 1837
John born 1838
Hugh born 1841
Margaret born 1844
Isabella (Belvidera?) born 1846
Grace born 1849
Mary born 1860 (grandaughter)
The only one I have been able to trace is Angus who married Annabell McDonald. I'm in the process of filling out the info for that family.
Donald is on the same page in the 1851 census as Michael Carroll who I know married Elizabeth Windle.
Also, on the same page (8) of the census is Hugh McLean born 1807 and wife Grace.
Their children:
John, Margaret, Daniel, Hugh, Jane, James, Mary and Barbara plus Hugh's brother James born 1817 in NB.
Not far away (Pg 6) is John Mclean born 1801 (Pilot) wife Margery and children Donald, Archibald, Margaret, Catherine, Grace, Charles, Alexander, John, Robert and James.
I am trying to find out if any or all were children of Donald McLean and Mary McRae who were the parents of Mary McLean who married Thomas Windle. I suspect that Donald is because his son Angus was a sponsor at the baptism of some Steele relatives.
TIA

Re: Galliah / Gallien Family of NewBrunswick

vgallien60 — 2013-04-15 14:58:09Z

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familys. American-Canadian Genealogical Society also has a web site.

Re: Galliah / Gallien Family of NewBrunswick

catwomen5 — 2013-04-15 03:36:39Z

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Thanks!

Re: Galliah / Gallien Family of NewBrunswick

vgallien60 — 2013-04-12 11:31:27Z

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Re: Galliah / Gallien Family of NewBrunswick

catwomen5 — 2013-04-12 02:48:13Z

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Re: Harold Conners Family & Sydney McIntyres Family Lines....

thomasamurray1 — 2013-04-10 19:09:47Z

Do you mean Ernest Sydney McIntyre born 16MAY1885? Do you have any dates, location, etc.?

Then there's Sydney P. McIntyre b. ca. 1888 who might have been the same person.

Thomas.

Re: Galliah / Gallien Family of NewBrunswick

vgallien60 — 2013-04-09 16:12:52Z

Hello

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Re: JUSTUS?JUSTICE WALLS

rkp223 — 2013-03-20 23:12:30Z

Justus is my great great grandfather.
From Thomas' written words...he did Marry Annie work the Rail yard and Annie DID die in Child birth.
Their daugther Jennie Cora Married March 19 1928 in Blackville, in the home of Justus, to Harold Conners, my great grandfather.

Re: JUSTUS?JUSTICE WALLS

GJGarner1 — 2013-03-20 23:07:22Z

Yes. Jurty's mother would be my 5g aunt, and I've bunch of other connections as well.

Thomas' earlier comment was quite appropriate!

Re: JUSTUS?JUSTICE WALLS

GJGarner1 — 2013-03-20 22:57:12Z

Yes. Jurty's mother would be my 5g aunt, and I've bunch of other connections as well.

Thomas' earlier comment was quite appropriate!

Re: JUSTUS?JUSTICE WALLS

rkp223 — 2013-03-20 22:11:31Z

are you realted?

Harold Conners Family & Sydney McIntyres Family Lines....

rkp223 — 2013-03-20 10:32:54Z

I am looking for any information on these people and their families, I am hoping to find past information of their lives and even before that.

Re: JUSTUS?JUSTICE WALLS

rkp223 — 2013-03-20 10:25:03Z

Hi Shelly,
Just new to all of this..
I am hoping to speak with you more, of your relation for I am as well.
please email me at ashcroft22@hotmail.com

Rebecca

Re: JUSTUS?JUSTICE WALLS

rkp223 — 2013-03-20 10:19:16Z

Hi I think I know someone who can help.
Are you looking for their names and some information?

How are you fo relation to Justus Walls.

email me back at ashcroft22@hotmail.com

Thank you,
Rebecca

Re: Maclean

macleanwd — 2013-02-21 14:00:50Z

HI

Yes Marilyn told me that you guys were talking awesome. i have just started doing this and i have some information and slowly putting it on a tree, that’s why i was asking Marilyn for some help, her Mother would know allot, and i had some stuff from my Grandmother (Jessie Sillikker). I have been talking to another guy in Scotland which was born in New Brunswick and his last name is Craig which we have some down the line and his Grandmother was Sarah Maclean. I hope to share some info with you and make our trees bigger. Talk to you soon. Regards

Wayne

Re: Maclean

FromSkyeSheComes — 2013-02-21 06:15:29Z

Wayne,

I believe you are the person who is related to Marilyn. Marilyn and I are sharing info about the M(a)cLean and Silliker family lines. I have a tree in Ancestry which is private. I am willing to share with you. Please contact me. My grandfather was Ernest Everett McLean and his younger brother was David Roy MacLean. They were half brothers (same father, Alexander (aka Alec) M(a)cLean.

Re: Hays of Bartibog

RonRobichaud70 — 2013-02-13 00:00:41Z

[Union advocate Jan 4, 1892]
Bathurst Gloucester County. Mrs Joseph Godin wife of the poor house keeper died last week at the age of 73. Mrs Godwin was a Miss Hay of Northumberland county

1861 Census For Chatham NB
Andrew Sr. Hay , head, age 70 born NB, RC [From records we know that Andrew Hay was one of the Bartibogue Hay family, Margaret was his daughter and her spouse unknown]
Joseph Gooden, son in law, age 36, blacksmith
Margaret Gooden (nee Hay), daug, age 42, RC
Helen Gooden grand daughter, age 19, RC
Anney Gooden, grand daughter, age 4 RC

1861 Census For Chatham
William HaY Jr, age 38, Cooper, RC, Chatham, b 1823
Rosanna Hay (nee Gooden) , wife, age 32 [ From records we know Rosanna was a Gooden, Godin or Godwin born Bathurst in 1829 ]
Andrew Hay, son age 15
William Hay, son age 13
Margaret Hay daug age 11
Ellen 9ella) Isabella daug age 7
Nancy Hay daug , age 4
Baby Hay, son, 2 months

My guess is that Joseph Gooden and Roseanna Gooden were brother and sister both born in Bathurst. My other problem is that I can not establish a connection between the William Hay B 1823 and the Bartibogue Hay family who is also RC

Ron Robichaud
Miramichi, NB

Re: Hays of Bartibog

RonRobichaud70 — 2013-02-11 07:28:37Z

Would you have a match for William Hay born Miramichi abt 1823, married abt 1845 to Rose Ann Goodwin born Bathurst 1829, died Chatahm 1917

Re: Hays of Bartibog

hay3918 — 2013-02-10 06:16:42Z

We have traced the John Hay family of Bartibog back to John Hay (1713-1786), weaver and Gordon Castle tenementer in Fochabers, Morayshire, Scotland. His son John Hay (1731-1804) came to NB in 1784 with his wife Catherine Batchen and his only known child, Andrew Hay (1763-1821). Andrew & his wife Margaret Laing of Speymouth (1762-1823) had five children: James Hay (1789-1864), Andrew Jr., John, Annie, Jean & Catherine Hay.

Re: Patrick CONNELL [variations] & Johanna GRACE of Newcastle NB

ericdowneast — 2013-02-04 03:24:52Z

The Connells/ O'Connells of Bartibog and Douglasfield were probably not related unless it goes back a ways in Ireland. I think they are likely two different families by the time they came to NB. I have made two fairly extensive trees here on Ancestry for both families. I don't have the up to date info of the last few generations but I have a lot of the older/ early stuff. There you will find a fairly complete record of the original members of the two families and where many of them dispersed to. I could not find out what happened to a few of them so they either died in NB early on or moved away - most likely to Minnesota or Wisconsin. (1850’s-1880’s) or later on family members who left usually went to Boston or Maine.

Re: Patrick CONNELL [variations] & Johanna GRACE of Newcastle NB

tarastylist — 2013-02-04 02:53:28Z

One of the Connells' not sure which went away to the states and came back O'Connell.

Re: Patrick CONNELL [variations] & Johanna GRACE of Newcastle NB

tarastylist — 2013-02-04 02:49:02Z

There were James and Joe O'Connell, they had a sister Francis. They lived in Douglasfield.

Re: Patrick CONNELL [variations] & Johanna GRACE of Newcastle NB

tarastylist — 2013-02-04 02:41:12Z

my mother was a Connell from douglasfield my grandfather was Albert Connell son of Larry. There were O'connells almost what is now called Nowlanville.The homestead of the O'connells is still standing and my great grandfather's house is too. They stretched from douglasfield to almost There was a Mike Connell, a Dan Connell too. also not sure of the connection thoe. There were also Connell's in Bartiboug.

Re: Mrs Sarah MCLEAN Loggieville, New Brunswick

JamesECraig09 — 2013-01-31 14:59:14Z

James wife died in Manitoba from an illness I believe caused by negligence at the hospital in Brandon. Some equipment was left inside her following surgery.
She is buried in Margaret/Minto.
James had gone to MB to seek work.

James.

Re: Mrs Sarah MCLEAN Loggieville, New Brunswick

JRapleySauntry — 2013-01-31 12:33:02Z

I have my own surname interests in the Northumberland Co., NB area. I find that the families marry and new names come in to the tree. I also help where I can.
I believe you will find James family and Sybil's family in the 1901 cenus at http://www.automatedgenealogy.com
Probably further back at http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1911/ind...
You can also get 1851-1871-1881-1891-1901 census there also.
I could not find a death certificate for James wife. It appears she died between 1908 and 1911
When you need more help just ask , I am sure some one has the info or knows where to look.
Good luck iuck in your hunt.
Jeannette

Re: Mrs Sarah (Kennedy, Daley) McLean, Loggieville, New Brunswick

JamesECraig09 — 2013-01-31 02:02:12Z

Thomas, marvellous, so thanks very much.

Thanks for your second message also.

I see much to read and digest here and am impressed that so much is accessible. I guess the adage "Easy when you know how" springs to mind.

There are certainly 'many tangled ......'

Thanks so much,

James.

Re: Mrs Sarah MCLEAN Loggieville, New Brunswick

JamesECraig09 — 2013-01-31 01:52:50Z

Jeannette,

Thank you for your very helful response Now, I did have some of the info about James but there I began to stumble.
I see a lot of information to go through here which should keep me busy a while.
May I take it you are not connected but did this as a volunteer?

James.

Re: Mrs Sarah MCLEAN Loggieville, New Brunswick

thomasamurray1 — 2013-01-31 01:03:16Z

It appears I am not the first to suspect that Sarah Kennedy in 1871 in Cumberland Co., NS was Sadie Daley/McLean. See:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NOVA-SCOTIA/20...

This:
http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.canada.novasco...
could have been useful.

Thomas

Re: Mrs Sarah (Kennedy, Daley) McLean, Loggieville, New Brunswick

thomasamurray1 — 2013-01-30 22:39:37Z

SARAH (SADIE) KENNEDY (b. Wallace Harbour, NS (Sussex Parish, Kings Co., NB?) 26DEC1860 (DEC1859 in 1911), d. Loggieville, Chatham Parish, Northumberland Co., NB 6MAR1957 age 96 years, 2 months and 8 days), m. 1st WILLIAM DALEY (DEALY) (b. Stonehaven, Restigouche Co., NB ca. 1850); m. 2nd Kent Co., NB 1MAY1905 ALEXANDER (ALEX) McLEAN (b. Hardwick Parish, Northumberland Co., NB MAY1857; m. 1st MARY _____?).
Sarah was the daughter of John Kennedy (b. Scotland) and of Jane Law (b. Ireland).
In Chatham Parish in 1901 Sarah Daley was a widow. Nearby lived Stephen 'Dealey' b. 9JUN1850; possibly a brother-in-law. In 1891, William (41) and Sarah (31) 'Daily' lived next to Stephen Daily (40) and family. On the other side was the family of Alexander (35) and Mary (34) McLean. In 1891 Sarah was b. NB which contradicts her death registration where her son, Melvin, stated she was born in Nova Scotia.
Sarah (22) and William (30) Daley were both b. NB in Chatham Parish in 1881. Next door was Steph Daley (28) and family.
In 1871, 'Stephan' Daily (16) was the son (or grandson?) of John (73) and Mary (44) Daily in Bathurst, Gloucester Co., NB with John b. Ireland and Mary b. NB. William, however, appears to be William Daley, age 19, s/o a widow, Johanna Daley (40, b. Ireland) also in Bathurst in 1871. Johanna (b. ca. 1831) may have been Joanna Daley (b. ca. 1829) wife of Michael Daley (ca. 1825) in Addington Parish, Restigouche Co., NB in 1851. Both were given as b. in NB.
Sarah, in her 2nd marriage, is indicated a having been born in Sussex which I take to mean Sussex Parish, Kings Co., NB. I do not find a Sarah or Sadie Kennedy of the right age with parents, John and Jane, in New Brunswick in 1871. There is, in Wallace, Cumberland Co., NS, a Sarah Kennedy age 12 working for William M, and Elizabeth Carlyle. Interestingly Sarah was b. in New Brunswick. This may be the Wallace Harbour that Melvin referred to but she was actually b. in NB. There were other Kennedy's in Wallace, from Scotland, but establishing a relationship may be tricky.
There was, in Mill Hill, Cumberland Co., NS in 1871, a Samuel Law (72) and wife, 'Rosan' (77) from Ireland with members of their family nearby. They apparently did have a daughter, Jane, but at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nscumber/message/40490
it is suggested that Jane married a Thomas Kirkpatrick and that 'Rosan' was Rosamund Stewart.
Children:
1. ETHEL MAY DALEY b. ca. 1879.
2. ALVARD (ALWARD) DALEY b. 24DEC1880.
3. CLARA DALEY b. Black Brook (Loggieville), Northumberland Co., NB 27APR1883.
4. SYBIL WINNIFRED DALEY b. 16APR1884, m. 22SEP1903 JAMES CRAIG.
5. WILLIAM DALEY b. 10MAY1886.
6. MELVIN DALEY b. 6OCT1891 (OCT1892 in 2011).
7. LAURA DALEY b. 2APR1894.
8. WINFIELD DALEY b. 26JUL1896 (JUN1897).
9. EVA DALEY b. 2MAY1899.
J. DAVID McLEAN b. JAN1901.

Re: Mrs Sarah MCLEAN Loggieville, New Brunswick

JRapleySauntry — 2013-01-30 20:42:18Z

A little search in in the New Brunswick Archives and census indicates that James was a widow and his children where with his deceased wife's family in 1911. Hence Mrs Sarah McLean listed on his death record.

Attestation papers of James Craig gives eldest son as next of kin William Edgar Craig age 8 on 24 Sept 1914

http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gat1/061279a.gif

Name CRAIG, EDGAR
SexM
Date 1905-01-28
PlaceLOGGIEVILLE
County NORTHUMBERLAND
Father CRAIG, JAMES
Mother DALEY, SYBLE
Code 1905-800573
Microfilm F20737 http://archives.gnb.ca

Home / 1911 / New Brunswick / Northumberland / 10 Chatham Parish / page 7

9 59 McLean Alex M Head M May 1857 54
10 59 McLean SaidieF Wife M Dec 1859 51
11 59 Dealy William M Stepson S May 1886 25
12 59 Dealy Melvin M Stepson S Oct 1892 18
13 59 Dealy Laura F Step Daughter S Apr 1894 17
14 59 Dealy Winfield M Stepson S Jun 1897 14
15 59 Dealy Eva F Step Daughter S May 1899 12
16 59 McLean David Son S Jan 1901 10
17 59 Craig Edgar M Grandchild S Jan 19056
18 59 Craig Hazel F Grandchild S Dec 1906 4
19 59 Craig Pearl F Grandchild S Aug 1908 2

http://www.automatedgenealogy.com

Name CRAIG, JAMES
Married DEALY, SYBIL WINNIFRED age 18 parents William & Sarah Dealy see Mrs Alex Mclean in 1911 census us

Date 1903-09-22
County NORTHUMBERLAND
Parish----
Number1506
Code B4/1903
MicrofilmF15905

http://archives.gnb.ca/

Name DALEY, SARAH*
Married MCLEAN, ALEXANDER
Date 1905-05-01
County KENT
Parish----
Number 2485
Code B4/1905
MicrofilmF15919

http://archives.gnb.ca/

I hope this helps

Jeannette

Mrs Sarah MCLEAN Loggieville, New Brunswick

JamesECraig09 — 2013-01-30 00:50:41Z

I'm looking for help with a Mrs Sarah MCLEAN (maybe MACLEAN) from Loggieville, New Brunswick, Canada.
All I know is she was named on an official form to do with circumstances of death concerning my Grandfather James CRAIG of Nelson, NB who died 1917 in France and is in Aix Noulette Cimitrie Commune (Extension), Aix Noulette, Pas - de - Calais.

I expect she would be family somehow but here I'm stumped.

Thanks for any help,

James.