I finally took a look at my James and Joan Ivany/Ivamy/Ivamey last night and boy what a mess I have. Guess I was took quick after doing the Abbotts and Porters, both headaches and nightmares, that I overlooked some big clues....for instance, I have that my 4th great-grandmother Martha Ivany had a brother named James Pottle Ivany...I don't know yet why the Pottle in his name didn't set off a big red flag in my head because I've seen the mother's surname before used as a middle name....stunned...lol. So, you are right and I have to fix a few things. As I didn't know there were two James and Joan Ivany's, I have births and deaths for both mixed up and what a mess...this week I will have to redo James and Joan Ivany, although I do have James' parents as George Ivany and Margaret ??, and I think her surname is Hall, but I have to check that out again to make sure. So, Joan Abbott, daughter of Mathew Abbott and Grace Gillett will have to come off my tree and the Pottles put in their place. Thanks for setting me straight because I want the truth in my tree and not have it filled in just to have it filled in. Thanks for the heads up. Much appreciated.