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Re: Anne Margaret and Johannes Clattenburg

Whynacht — 2013-05-23 01:57:15Z

Ok thanks Kevin, I'll check that out. Another thing that I was wondering if you may have an answer to is about the spouse of Alexander Clattenburg who was the son of John Conrad Clattenburg and Lydia (MacCauly)Clattenburg. According to the marriage register he married Lydia Whynot in Liverpool on September 3, 1872. It says that her parents were Daniel and Catherine but I could never find any proof of their existence in the census records. Are the names of her parents entered as an error and do you know what the names of her parents were?

Blair

Re: Anne Margaret and Johannes Clattenburg

KevinClattenburg — 2013-05-22 23:41:47Z

Don't take my word for it just check the local Hopkins family that were neighbors of the Clattenburg family
the two family patriarchs were good friends as well
All the best

PS Caroline the daughter (oldest in the family ) who died in Maine was named after her mother

Re: Anne Margaret and Johannes Clattenburg

Whynacht — 2013-05-22 23:30:21Z

Hello Kevin,

Do you know the names of the parents for this Caroline Margaret (Hopkins) Clattenburg?

Blair

Re: Anne Margaret and Johannes Clattenburg

rogervan_1 — 2013-05-21 00:04:14Z

they were married 1816,jacob peter clattenburg born 1827,married rebecca cohoon there daughter mitilda caroline married levi feener gull island,i would like to know what church anne margret was batiste in

Re: What does a document citing "Long, page 165" refer too?

Hist0rian2 — 2013-04-30 22:32:27Z

Thank you, that does seem to be what I was looking for!
Sandy from Colorado

Re: What does a document citing "Long, page 165" refer too?

spricker — 2013-04-30 18:20:04Z

Probably, Robert Long's Annals
I used this reference at a Queen's County library. If you google "Robert Long's Annals" you will get more info on this resource.
Sara

What does a document citing "Long, page 165" refer too?

Hist0rian2 — 2013-04-30 16:27:30Z

I have a copy of a document in the research records of a Great Aunt. It has the Public Archives of Nova Scotia Halifax seal on it. It is a typewritten paragraph that starts with: Long, Page 165: There were two or three distinct Mitchell families represented in Liverpool; ..... and goes on to discuss the first Mitchells in Mass and marriage of William to Hannah Mayo and Priscilla Mayo marriage to Eleazer Simmons and ends with a note that William Mitchell married Salome Nickerson and names their children.
I would like to have a better source reference for the document so I can use it for a Mayflower application and need to know if Long page 165 is referring to a book or other record source. All help very much appreciated.

Re: rafuse/brown

eoliva — 2013-04-21 16:20:27Z

Hi

Blanche Brown only had one daughter, Gladys. I believe Shirley Jean was Blanche's daughter in law, married to her son, Harold. Blanche is my great aunt, sister of my grandfather, Reginald Brown. Please email me directly for further info. olivaba@aol.com

Re: rafuse/brown

southside115646 — 2013-04-21 15:40:21Z

Thanks for the info. Shirley Jean Hartlen was my grandmother and her mother was Blanche Beatrice Brown who's mother was Ida Mary Rafuse. This of course brings us to John and Maria who were her parents.

Re: rafuse/brown

eoliva — 2013-04-21 13:09:58Z

Ida's parents were Maria Eleanor and John Philip Rafuse. Her line goes back to George Burrough, who was hanged as a witch in Salem. Ida's husband, Mack Brown's line goes back to the Pilgrims. How are you related to them. I will send more information later.

Betty

Re: rafuse/brown

southside11546 — 2013-04-21 06:51:58Z

Ida Mary Rafuse was my great great grandmother and I too am looking for her parents. Did you finally determine her parents? Its been awhile since your last post

Re: Rupert A. Gardner and Samuel F. Gardner. Nova Scotia Gardner Family

arnoldandwilma — 2013-04-13 18:52:43Z

Looking for descendants of William Gardner & Katherine Dexter who were married in Brooklyn area, Queens Co., N.S. in 1789.Believe my great grandfather was a descendant, Capt. Warren Gardner.Any help would be greatly appreciated. Wilma

Re: FORBES, Charles of Brooklyn and Gloucester

batdimipppp — 2013-04-02 10:41:37Z

I wonder where the information about william Jacobs Forbes birth and baptism dates came from. Thank you.

Re: Canning/Cleary

jmcdonough45 — 2013-03-29 02:21:34Z

Patrick,

I believe there is a Catholic Canning line and a Protestant Canning line.

My grandmothers family is from the Caledonia line

Re: Canning/Cleary

cannigp — 2013-03-28 00:04:33Z

It was always my understanding that the Cannings of Cumberland Co (the town of Canning area) and the Cannings of Caledonia and area are of two different lines. I'm from the Caledonia group and was told our descendants landed in Liverpool, from Ireland, in the 1770's.

Re: Oickle/Peterson

wmck2 — 2013-02-27 11:36:39Z

Williams wife's name wasn't Lydia.

Re: Oickle/Peterson

rkempton118 — 2013-02-26 02:59:43Z

Do you have birth/death/marriage dates to work with?

Re: Douglas ancestors

sammyjd3 — 2013-02-24 12:02:30Z

Thank you so much, you've really helped me.

Re: Douglas ancestors

bdouglas87 — 2013-01-21 04:47:52Z

Karen--------my e-mail address is bdouglas@unr.edu-----I prefer to communicate direct by e-mail. I have done a lot of work on the John Douglas side and am aware of some of his brother Robert's side.-----Bruce

Re: Douglas ancestors

priscillajhaines — 2013-01-21 02:39:17Z

Could we do this by e-mail? I can send you attachmens then. Do you go into the Dollivers at all? phaines@digis.net

Re: Douglas ancestors

zodiac53 — 2013-01-21 01:45:37Z

Hello Priscilla,

It seems I hit the jackpot with 2 responses to my Douglas query on the same day. I would be very happy to receive any information you would like to share on the people mentioned in your post.

Thank you for responding.
Karen

Re: Douglas ancestors

zodiac53 — 2013-01-21 01:45:14Z

Re: Douglas ancestors

zodiac53 — 2013-01-21 01:25:16Z

Hello,

I can't tell you how thrilled I was to see the message from you in my mailbox today! I was beginning to think no one had an interest in the ancestry of our Douglas line. Can you tell me what your sources are for this information? Do you have any further information you would be willing to share?

Thank you so much for answering my query.
Karen

Re: Douglas ancestors

priscillajhaines — 2013-01-20 22:29:19Z

I am related to the Caledonia Douglas family through the Dolliver line. I have a little bit of information on Abigail and her father Melton Douglas; Albert Douglas; Elizabeth Ann and her father James Douglas. Priscilla

Re: Douglas ancestors

bdouglas87 — 2013-01-20 22:06:02Z

Robert Douglas is the twin of Barbara: both were christened on Mar. 3 1799 in Scotland. Both are the brother of John Douglas (born Jan. 12, 1794. John was a pioneer settler of Caledonia and married to Abigail P. Foster of Port Medway near Liverpool, Nova Scotia. I am a 3rd great grandson of John and Abigail Douglas. The mother of Robert Douglas is Jane Mill not Ainsley. Jane Mill was married to James Douglas.

Re: Seeking Murray kin & information

Murray_Fred — 2012-12-22 23:17:01Z

Hello all,

Maybe someone would be so kind as to clear up some issues I keep running into...
I keep seeing this information regarding my 5th great grandparents (William Murray & Joanna Tupper), listing Williams parents as John Murray & Anne Bennett. This would have made him a younger brother to James Murray 'Loyalist', John Murray, MD (Doctor of Norwich), and older brother to Elizabeth Murray-Campbell-Smith-Innman.

But in reading through all the correspondence of these individuals (and there seems to be no shortage of it), I have found the following discrepancies...

1. This William Murray was born in Unthank, Scotland on Wednesday April 10, 1724. (sources below).
2. He sold out of the British army in 1771 in Ireland.
3. In no correspondence do I find any mention of William having been married at all.

I am hopeful that someone can shed some light on this for me. Thank you.

Fred Murray

http://archive.org/details/lettersofjamesm00murr
http://www.csulb.edu/projects/elizabethmurray/EM/collection....

Re: Anne Margaret and Johannes Clattenburg

KevinClattenburg — 2012-11-09 18:58:28Z

There are a few sources of misinformation that have been perpetuated over the years (and they know who they are)I have stood by believing it is not my place to correct
but after a while it is like the bear being prodded with a stick that is why I jumped at your new posting
I would be happy to help anyone researching their family line in our family The Clattenburg's
kclattenburg@hotmail.ca
All the best
Kevin Clattenburg

Re: Seeking Murray kin & information

Murray_Fred — 2012-10-27 16:11:29Z

Thank you all for the replies. Hello Dave, I remember we had some correspondence about two years ago. I hope you and yours are doing well. I am a decedent of William Murray, Jr. (Mary’s older brother).

There are still some inconsistencies I have not been able to reconcile however…

First, according to Dale H. Cook, (Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants;
Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project & Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net), who was kind enough to do some research for me…
“He could not have been born in North Bridgewater in 1722 or 1723 because that town did not exist until 1823. See: Robert T. Swan and Henry Ernest Woods, Editors, "Historical Data Relating to Counties, Cities and Towns in Massachusetts," First Edition (Boston: Wright & Potter, 1920) or any of the four subsequent editions.
No record of his birth is found in the published vital records of Milton or Sandwich. No record of his birth is found in the published vital records of Bridgewater, and no record of his baptism is found in the published vital records of any of the four Bridgewater’s.”

So William’s birthplace is still a mystery to me…

Second, I have seen it said that he is the son of John & Ann (Bennett) Murray, who did indeed have a son named William who was in the army. But in reading the “Letters of James Murray the Loyalist”, who would have been his older brother, William was born on Wednesday, Apr. 10th 1724 in Unthank, Ewes, Dumfries, Scotland and was in Ireland in 1771 where he sold out of the army.
And the Elizabeth Murray Project (http://www.csulb.edu/projects/elizabethmurray/EM/archive.htm...)
Family letters indicate that he remained in London for some time after this. Nothing in all of this family’s correspondence (that I have been able to find) indicate any mention of him ever being in Nova Scotia or marrying at all.

So I fear William’s parents will remain a mystery to me as well…

I would be pleased to hear from any other relations as well.
Again, thank you all…

Fred Murray
mabaas2010@gmail.com

Re: Seeking Murray kin & information

rkempton118 — 2012-10-27 00:28:33Z

Pedigree Resource File
name: John MURRAY
gender:Male
birth: 1 February 1677
Unthank, Ewes, Dumfries, Scotland

death:27 February 1728
AFN: 5F67-6TT

Marriages (1)
spouse: Ann BENNETT (AFN: 5F67-8GW )
marriage: 20 April 1712
Chesters, Ancrum, Roxburgh, Scotland

Re: Seeking Murray kin & information

rkempton118 — 2012-10-26 23:44:12Z

I totally agree. But if you look at the land grants these soldiers were give,n they were in the 1759 1760 period, surely they wouldn't wait 14 years to give them?

My own relative was born in 1739 so he would have been too young for 1745. He was granted land in Liverpool Township.

Re: Seeking Murray kin & information

david_c_reed — 2012-10-26 21:57:01Z

I was thinking more about William Murray's age. In 1745, he would have been 22 and attacking Louisbourg would have been an adventure and he would be paid as well.
In 1758, he would have been 35 and given some other details, possibly a married man with children. Completely different circumstances.

Re: Seeking Murray kin & information

rkempton118 — 2012-10-26 04:50:44Z

Here is another link to John and Ann that ties William to them. They appear to be from Scotland?

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=AHN&d...

Re: Seeking Murray kin & information

rkempton118 — 2012-10-26 04:45:36Z

I was tracing Woodbury's in Annapolis Co and came across an Austin W that married Susan Jane Murray daughter of William and Joanna. Somewhere at that time I came up with William's parents being John Murray and Ann Bennett. I will try and find my source data on that. The new Family Search has me pretty frustrated I like the old version much better.

Re: Seeking Murray kin & information

rkempton118 — 2012-10-26 04:31:26Z

David I think that if you delve into the 1758 seige of Louisbourg you'll see that there were 4 companies of "American" Rangers, one of who was a relative mine.

Re: Seeking Murray kin & information

david_c_reed — 2012-10-26 04:17:14Z

I am like you, a descendant of William Murray and Joanna Tupper, and like you I have been able to find very little about William Murray. My descent is through Mary Murray who married James McLeod. Joanna Tupper however, is another story. She was the daughter of Nathan Tupper and Experience Gibbs and their ancestry is readily available. Nathan Tupper was also a grantee in Liverpool Township. If you can prove it, you are a Mayflower descendent as Experience Gibbs appears to be descended from Richard Warren. Nathan Tupper is descended from Thomas Tupper who emigrated from England in the 17th century. The Tuppers and the Gibbs settled In Sandwich, MA.

Re: Seeking Murray kin & information

david_c_reed — 2012-10-26 01:40:06Z

He was more likely to have participated in the 1745 attack on Louisbourg as that had primarily colonial involvement. The 1858 attack was executed entirely by the British army.

Re: Seeking Murray kin & information

rkempton118 — 2012-10-26 01:11:09Z

In Perkins diary Pg 40 it says William Murray is a native of Bridgewater, MA. Link below.

http://link.library.utoronto.ca/champlain/DigObj.cfm?Idno=9_...

Perkins says William died in 1805 a age 82, that would have him born in 1723.

Re: Seeking Murray kin & information

rkempton118 — 2012-10-26 01:00:25Z

There is quite a write up on the Murrays in The History of Liverpool Township by Francis Tupper, copy of same is avilable at Queens Museum.

Pg 82 William was a 1764 grantee of the Liverpool Township and was said to be part of the 1758 seige of Louisbourg. He was a widower with two daughters. Daughters stayed in Halifax. Lived in Liverpool and then settled in Lot 4 in Block C in The Falls. aka Wiliam Moray.

Pg 87 married Joanna Tupper in 1761

Extensive decendant list Pg 87-88

The NS Freeman History it does not indicated where he is from, likely New England. Joanna is fr Sandwich, MA.

Seeking Murray kin & information

Murray_Fred — 2012-10-25 17:08:26Z

I have traced my line back to William & Joanna (Tupper) Murray in Milton, Queens Co., but have had no luck in finding any information regarding them. If anyone has any information they are willing to share, It would be much appreciated. Thank you.

1761 Census of Liverpool

wmck2 — 2012-10-14 21:49:04Z

I have not heard of this Census, but a report of the state of the Liverpool Township in 1761 by Charles Morris, the Surveyor- General indicates there were 97 families with a total of 504 persons. He doesn't name families, but you will find the above info. at the page below of Col. Simeon's Diary and the page following.
http://link.library.utoronto.ca/champlain/DigObj.cfm?Idno=9_...
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The first Census I'm aware of was March 11, 1785 when there were 158 families with a total of 850 persons.

1761 Census of Liverpool

b1sdxv57 — 2012-10-14 15:52:13Z

Is anyone familiar with this census? Where would I get a copy of it? I have noted that it has been referenced in a number of places, but I have been unable to nail it down

Re: Stephen Francis

timbo2135 — 2012-10-14 04:25:47Z

There was a Francis family in Queens County that were Black, however they did not live in Milton. The Francis family in Milton were native. Do you know who Stephen's parents were, maybe that might give us a clue where the black heritage comes from.

Oickle/Peterson

myers_joe1052 — 2012-10-13 19:48:01Z

Can anyone tell me if Lydia (Peterson) Oickle that was married to Adam Oickle and had 3 kids; James, George A., and E. Lillian was the same L. Peterson that was married to William Peterson and had children; Victor, Viola May, Pearl and Elsie ?

Re: Enoch Dexter (b about 1800) and wife Hannah Burke

gtstoddart — 2012-10-10 01:53:39Z

I have just found this message after a number of years. Ancestry says there is an error in my email address. I moved four years ago and had to change my email address. Any way Hannah Burke is my gg grandmother. I would like to add her parents and sibling any other related and related relatives.

I have very few relations in Queens Co excepted for some Dolliver's. My email address gtstoddart@silomail.com.

Re: Stephen Francis

rkempton118 — 2012-10-05 02:26:59Z

All the Francis I knew from Queens Co were MicMac, maybe with white, no obvious Negro features. Maybe on the census they mean that anyone other than Caucasians are "coloured???

Stephen Francis

scotian12 — 2012-10-03 20:11:09Z

according to Stephen Francis(1848-1915) death certificate he is listed as being mixed race "coloured/indian". can anyone tell me what side the "coloured" comes from? mother or father?

Re: Peterson

myers_joe1052 — 2012-09-26 10:55:42Z

Hi. Yes, Joanne was my wife. She passed on in 2005. I don't have any of the information from back when Joanne was doing it. Kind of starting from scratch. If you could help me with any of the information that would be great.

Joe.

Re: T BrentonSmith Recordsthe

rkempton118 — 2012-09-25 00:24:05Z

Thanks

Re: James Weare & Rachel Graves

gen_bug — 2012-09-24 21:31:30Z

Hi Keith

I am working on connecting the line of
2 Charles Weir m. Catherine Elizabeth Krause b. 8 Jan 1797
to my family of Weir's.

I believe their son James Stilman Weir is one and the same as the James & Adelaide Weir who were the parents of Benjamin Elias Weir.

Would love to hear from you, or anyone in regards to these lines.

Melissa
gen_bug@hotmail.com

T BrentonSmith Recordsthe

robertgillisnj — 2012-09-23 21:37:01Z

The T Benton Smith records on Queens County families are now browsable on familysearch.org

bob gillis