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Re: Looking for descendants of the IRISH who survived the ship wreck HANNAH in 1849

foleycf — 2009-11-16 20:09:15Z

Are you still seeking information? I may descend from survivors John Delaney and his wife. My great, great grandfather was John Delaney of Forkhill, Armagh Ireland. I know he was in Canada by the early 1850's so the timing is intriguing. I am seeking more information re: this shipwreck and would love to hear more about your documentary.

Re: William Martin in Victoria County

satch42179 — 2009-11-16 17:27:08Z

Births are only released to 1909; marriages to 1924 and deaths to 1935.

You can see his WW1 Attestation papers on
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100....

He was 43 years old when he went off to war.

Re: GOYET, Female from Brantford or Paris Ontario area circa 1931

ELLinSpain — 2009-11-16 17:09:45Z

MAYBE

Name: Marie Louise Ida Goyet
Event Year: 1919-1922
Event: Naissance (Birth)
religion: Catholique
Place of Worship or Institution: Ottawa; Ottawa (St François d`Assise)
Province: Ontario

there is a note in the margin that looks like she married in 1941

Re: William Martin in Victoria County

ELLinSpain — 2009-11-16 16:54:34Z

WW1

Name: William John Martin
LABOURER
Birth Date: 29 Jul 1871
Birth Location: Surrey, Ldn, England
Relative: Ada Martin
Relationship: Wife OF LITTLE BRITAIN, ONT
Regiment Number: 59642
SERVED PREVIOUSLY IN EAST SURREY REGT. FOR 12 YEARS & 363 DAYS

Re: Lewis Josiah Mastin

susans616 — 2009-11-16 00:12:18Z

I find them in the the 1860 Oakfield Township, Kent Co., MI census as Josiah and Martha Mastin and in the 1870 Oakfield Township, Kent Co., MI census as Josiah and Martha "Martin." In the 1880 Oakfield Township, Kent Co., MI census he is listed as "Joseph" Mastin. Was listed as married, but wife is not listed with him. Martha Mastin is listed separately, apparently helping out married daughter Nancy Davis with her new baby in the Maple Valley, Montcalm Co., MI census. Would like to know where the couple is buried if anyone finds out.

Re: War Records

P_G_Simpson — 2009-11-15 21:03:35Z

It is not often that any of us hear such words of praise. Thank you. There is much to be learned in other posts that can be applicable to our own cases. I too have learned much and been alerted to other sources of information by reading other posts.

Thanks for checking out the Toronto Star for the Jarrold obit. I don’t know about the Telegram… or the Globe, but do know from my own experience that the two Ottawa newspapers carried different but complementary stories, often with additional details. It was worth while to me to have the stories from both newspapers.

What might be interesting for Lilian’s friend, would be to read the accounts of the battle where her father lost his life.

From the Canadian Virtual War Memorial site…

http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collection...

“Moro River Canadian War Cemetery lies in the locality of San Donato in the Commune of Ortona, Province of Chieti… “

I would expect news of some sort to be in the papers around the time of his death, February 8, 1944.

If you are interested, you can Inter Library Loan (ILL) microfilms of newspapers from the National Library in Ottawa to your local library. There is no charge.

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/8/18/index-e.html

Toronto newspapers will also be available at the Ontario Archives in Toronto… but I don’t think they ILL their newspapers.

http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/guides/pdf/rg_212_news...

They are also at the North York Public Library. I don’t know if they ILL.

http://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/localhistory/canadiana2_c...

I don’t know about the other branch libraries in Toronto.

Re: GOYET, Female from Brantford or Paris Ontario area circa 1931

NMaus — 2009-11-15 18:42:01Z

Brantford and Paris were in Brant County. Try posting your query to the Brant County message board.
Or go to http://brantford.library.on.ca/genealogy/bmd.php and type in Goyet. You can go to the library to view the microfilm or if you are not from the area, for a small fee, someone will do the look up and send it to you.
If you were sure it was Paris, you could contact the Paris Museum and Historical Society to ask them to research the Paris Star (local papaper) microfilm.

Re: Who killed Nicholas Herkimer and why?

sarge736 — 2009-11-15 11:04:14Z

His full name was Johan Nicholas Herkimer and he was born 1771 in New York. His father was a "Loyalist" and banished to Canada after the American Revolution.

Johan was probably a "Ruff" name. German families would give each son the same first name to honor someone then call their children by the middle name during life.

He was granted 600 acres in Kingston. He worked with a brother.

He married Charlotte Purdy in KINGSTON the daughter of Capt. Gilbert Purdy. She was born in New Burgh, New York. Her father was also a "Loyalist." She died 1843.

There are 4 family tress at Ancestry.com showing his and his wife's name but they are all private. I am unable to access them directly. I have no i9dea if those trees have information in them about his murder.

Google search "Township of Kingston, Ontario, Pioneers" and his whole family is listed giving his death date as 1809 but nothing is mentioned about his being murdered.

William Martin in Victoria County

wenmil — 2009-11-15 03:52:04Z

I have recently (at last) found the William MARTIN I believe to be my Gt.Uncle, b. 1871 Surrey England. He arrived with his Wife Ada in 1906 & was listed on 1911 census in Mariposa Twp. Grateful thanks to the Nanaimo Family History Soc.-Ships PAssenger List Index.

I've been viewing some very good websites around the area but not found anything which may assist re Deaths/Burials, or children born. How can I learn more of how they may have fared?

His Brother travelled to Tillsonburg 1907 & stayed,(1911 in Norfolk) & nephews lived in Oakville & Hamilton etc.
Any ideas gratefully received.

Wendy.

Re: Looking for info on Richard Day

cdmd1965 — 2009-11-14 18:32:00Z

Wow! Thanks so very much :)

Connie

Who killed Nicholas Herkimer and why?

pqrstny — 2009-11-14 15:37:21Z

From the book "History of the Settlement of Upper Canada, Ontario, with Special Reference to the Bay of Quinte" by Wm. Caniff, MD. MRSCE, pub 1869. This book can be found on Google Books in its entirety.

Colonel Hanjost Herkimer or "John Joost" was a brother of the rebel general Nicholas Herkimer. Hanjost Herkimer had served as an officer in Butler's Rangers. He lived on Lot 2 in Kingston. From another source, I leared that this land had been called "Herkimer's Nose", then "Herkimer Point" and is now called "Lemoine Point" where there is a park. According to the Caniff book, on page 108, Hanjost Herkimer had a son named Nicholas who inherited that land and was killed on it. Nicholas had "married a Purdy and had several children. His end was a sad one, being murdered by a blacksmith named Rogers, who escaped. A daughter was married to Captain Sadlier, another to an officer in the Army, and a third to Mr. Wartman." This murder occurred in 1809.

Where can I find a newspaper account of this story? I'd like to learn the given name of the man, "Rogers" who committed the crime and what the circumstances were that led up to the crime.

Re: Cecil E. Hilton m 1922 Alice V. Wicks, children?

library2007 — 2009-11-14 15:32:56Z

Thanks for checking your sources!
I now know where he died. Dying so young, I thought it
was childbirth related.

Re: Looking for info on Richard Day

sarge736 — 2009-11-14 05:48:50Z

1766? I think your best bet will be looking through these records
http://my.tbaytel.net/bmartin/earlyont.htm

Put the name Richard Day & just th name Day in the search engine and see if you can match the name to dates.

This may be your Richard Day listed as an Ensign in the British Army assigned to Leeds area.
http://my.tbaytel.net/bmartin/militias.htm
LEEDS

Colonel Joel Stone
Lieutenant-Colonel Edward Jesssup**
Major Thomas Smyth

CAPTAINS

Samuel Wright Jehiel Smith
Samuel Caswell** Truman Hicok
Allan Grant*** William Reid
Bartholomew Carley** Allan McDonell
Benone Watson Samuel Booth

LIEUTENANTS

Joseph Neiph David Hunter
John Howard Abel Coleman
Reuben Sherwood Stephen Wathburn
William LaRue Ezra Benedick

Ensigns

William B. Wright Ap. Loudon
Philip Philips William B. Stone
Archibald McLean Jonathan Folford
Nathan Dayton Eathan McCullom
Adiel Sherwood ******* Richard Day
Adjutant Reuben Sherwood
Quarter-Master Dyer Howard

The appointments to the Stormont regiment of Militia do not
appear to have been filled up in 1802.

Re: Cecil E. Hilton m 1922 Alice V. Wicks, children?

sarge736 — 2009-11-14 05:10:28Z

I checked all the death records up to 1934 in Wellington County paying special attention to 1922 to 1927 the years Alice was married and find no deaths of any children for her and Cecil Hilton.

So if they did have a child (ren) thye child out lived her.

But since there wwre no children in her grave with her I didn't think I would find any babies or toddlers dying.

Alice Wicks-Hilton died of Cancer of the Bowel.

YOUR BEST CHOICE AT THIS POINT IS TO CONTACT THE CEMETERY IN MIDDLESEX AND SEE IF CECIL AND THE REST OF THE HILTON'S BURIED THERE ARE IN A FAMILY PLOT.

WISH i COULD HAVE BEEN OF MORE HELP. IF I FIND AN OBITUARY I WILL POST IT. SO FAR NOTHING AND NO FAMILY TREES FOUND.

GOOD LUCK.

Re: Cecil E. Hilton m 1922 Alice V. Wicks, children?

sarge736 — 2009-11-14 04:51:37Z

Alice Violet Wicks-Hilton is buried alone.

HILTON, Alice V. (Wicks) Dresden Kent Camden KT-672-9
THERE ARE NO OTHER "HILTON'S" BURIED IN DRESDEN CEMETERY.

Cecil Eversley Hilton HOWEVER is buried in Middlesex.

HILTON, Cecil E. Woodland, London (Section P,R) Middlesex London MX-LC-152-6

There are other Hilton's buried in Woodland Cemetery in Middlesex County in the same Section with the same reference number. How if at all they are related I do not know.

HILTON, Annie Woodland, London (Section P,R) Middlesex London MX-LC-152-6

HILTON, Eunice Woodland, London (Section P,R) Middlesex London MX-LC-152-6

HILTON, Florence Woodland, London (Section P,R) Middlesex London MX-LC-152-6

HILTON, Frances Priscilla Amoss Woodland, London (Section P,R) Middlesex London MX-LC-152-6

HILTON, George Woodland, London (Section P,R) Middlesex London MX-LC-152-6

HILTON, George W. Woodland, London (Section P,R) Middlesex London MX-LC-152-6

HILTON, William A. Woodland, London (Section P,R) Middlesex London MX-LC-152-6

Re: Cecil E. Hilton m 1922 Alice V. Wicks, children?

sarge736 — 2009-11-14 04:39:46Z

I'll keep looking but so far I don't see any children for Cecil Eversley Hilton and Alice Wicks.

Here is Cecil's family in case you don't have it.

Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1924
about Cecil Eversley Hilton
Name: Cecil Eversley Hilton
Birth Place: London Ontario
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Father Name: George Washington Hilton
Mother Name: Priscilla Amos Hilton
Spouse Name: Alice Violet Wicks
Spouse's Age: 29
Spouse Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Spouse Birth Place: Dresden Ont
Spouse Father Name: Ansalem Wicks
Spouse Mother Name: Florence Burnell
Marriage Date: 17 Aug 1922
Marriage Place: Lambton
Marriage County: Lambton
Family History Library Microfilm: MS932_615

The birth (1909) and death records (1934) and marriage (1924) stop at ancestry and she died 1927. There is nothing else at ancestry about Cecil Hilton. I'll check the OFCA for you.

Re: Lloyd Wicks born Sept 1906 Ontario Canada to Wm & Emma

sarge736 — 2009-11-14 04:16:14Z

Sorry.

The father died in 1909 from Typohid Fever and complicatioons of pneumounia.

Re: Lloyd Wicks born Sept 1906 Ontario Canada to Wm & Emma

sarge736 — 2009-11-14 04:14:17Z

William Jams Wicks dies in Canada in 1909.
Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1934
about William James Wicks
Name: William James Wicks
Death Date: 19 Jan 1909
Death Location: Lambton
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: January 6, 1863
Birth Location: Chatham, Ontario, Canada

He was 46 years and 13 days old at time of death.
He was a Farmer living in Chatham, Lambton County. Lived on Concsssion 4 Lot 13

His father's name was Edwin Wicks of Cornwall, England
His Mother name was Sussannah French who was born in Chatham, Ontario, Canada.

His death was certifed by an Edwin Wicks who lived at 1730 Woodward Ave., Detroit, Michigan.

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Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1909
about Lloyd Nelson Wicks
Name: Lloyd Nelson Wicks
Date of Birth: 1 Sep 1906
Gender: Male
Birth County: Lambton
Father's Name: Wm James Wicks
Mother's Name: Maria Emma Gowan
Roll Number: MS929_179
---------------------------------------

Lloyd and his mother Emma migrated to the U.S.after the father's death.

Index of Record at Ancestry:

Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1957
about Lloyd N Wicks
Name: Lloyd N Wicks
Arrival Date: 6 Nov 1913
Age: 7
Birth Date: abt 1906
Birthplace: Dresden Ont
Birth Country: Canada
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English
Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan
Accompanied By: Mother Emma
Arrival Contact: Uncle Wm Coward
Microfilm Roll Number: M1478_115
-----------------------------------------------------

He applied for citizenship 7/22/1932:

U.S. Naturalization Records Indexes, 1794-1995
about Lloyd Nelson Wicks
Name: Lloyd Nelson Wicks
Birth Date: 1 Sep 1906
State: Michigan
Locality, Court: Detroit, District Court
Title: Index Cards to Naturalization Petitions for the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan, Southern Division, Detroit, 1907-1995
Description: W-200 Weiss, Fred-W-230 Wacht, Thomas
Series: M1917
-------------------------------------------------
He died in Florida, U.S.A. in 1995

Social Security Death Index
about Lloyd N. Wicks
Name: Lloyd N. Wicks
SSN: 380-12-2198
Last Residence: 32763 Orange City, Volusia, Florida, United States of America
Born: 1 Sep 1906
Died: 9 Jan 1995
State (Year) SSN issued: Michigan (Before 1951)

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Florida Death Index, 1877-1998
about Lloyd Wicks
Name: Lloyd Wicks
Death Date: 9 Jan 1995
County of Death: Volusia
State of Death: Florida
Age at Death: 88
Race: White
Birth Date: 1 Sep 1906
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Re: Marriage Richard Arthur Donald

youthfulyvonne — 2009-11-09 10:09:03Z

Thank you so much for looking up all this info. I know about the family of Alice in England. She was Alice Waite & married my husbands Grandfathers brother - Herbert Chester. It was just a mystery why she went to Canada in 1916 when her husband was in the war & it seems she was expecting Richard before her husband died!!I'm looking for this info for a Ruth Waite who saw my message & thought I might know the answer to the mystery. Joseph was the brother she went to see in Canada. Thanks again but it is probably one of those mysteries we will never know & there is no one in the family to ask any more.

Re: Marriage Richard Arthur Donald

youthfulyvonne — 2009-11-09 09:50:54Z

Thanks for this info - we have all this. Just trying to find her marriage to Richard or Arthur Donald & the birth date of their son Richard.

Thanks

Yvonne

Re: Marriage Richard Arthur Donald

youthfulyvonne — 2009-11-08 20:58:12Z

Yes, this is Alice nee Waite married to Herbert Chester. Alice went to Canada in October 1916 - we have no idea why she'd go at this time as Herbert was away at war. He died May 1918 & is buried in Belgium. It seems Alice was pregnant with Richard before her husband died if he was born in 1918. Maybe Alice never married Arthur/Richard Donald!! Alices brother was Joseph Waite & I found one going to Quebec in 1910. Alice died Nov 15 1967 at Oshawa hospital & Richard Arthur Mar 3 1959.

Thanks for your help.

Yvonne

Re: Marriage Richard Arthur Donald

sarge736 — 2009-11-09 04:37:06Z

From what I see regarding the immigration records and this family's long history in Oshawa, Ontario my best educated guess is Alice Chester met her husband Donald in Oshawa after 1914 and married him there circa late 1916 or early 1917 as per the birth of the son.

Marriage records for Ontario for that period are not posted at ancestry.com

You will have to either check if Oshawa has a local archive or have request someone check the Canadaian National Archives for the marriage record and birth record of the son.

What do you have as to the brother she was going too in 1914? HAVE YOU LOCATED HIM ON A CANADIAN CENSUS? If you send me all the information you have on the brother, DOB, wife's name. children, location I will attempt to use it to locate his family in England records and get you Alice's parents etc. Sometimes the back door is bgetter thyan going though the front door.

Re: Marriage Richard Arthur Donald

sarge736 — 2009-11-09 03:50:42Z

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Alice Maud Mary Waite
Name: Alice Maud Mary Waite
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Spouse Name: Herbert Robert Chester
Spouse Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Dec 1904
Parish: Saint Mary, Stamford Brook
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Father Name: Joseph Waite
Spouse Father Name: Robert Henry Chester

http://search.ancestry.ca/iexec/?htx=View&r=5543&dbi...

Re: Marriage Richard Arthur Donald

sarge736 — 2009-11-09 03:23:36Z

From a family tree at ancestry.com

Not my work I am not related to you.

Limited information on Richard Donald his parents aren't even listed but the owner of this tree has his wife's family traced back to 1690 in England.

Richard Donald born 1918/1919 married a Florence Ruby Fitches Birth 17 Mar 1915 in Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
She died Decemeber 8, 1998 in Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
Burial
Mount Lawn Memorial Gardens, Whitby, Ontario, Canada
She was daughter of:
Thomas William Fitches
1875 – 1937
Edith Lucy Jane Stallard
1876 – 1963

Her husband Richard donald died October 2008 and is buried with her in Mount Lawn Memorial Gardens, Whitby, Ontario, Canada

They have two living children.

Re: Marriage Richard Arthur Donald

sarge736 — 2009-11-09 03:10:22Z

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Alice Donald
Name: Alice Donald

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Arthur Donald
Name: Arthur Donald
Gender: Male
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Birth Country: England
Date of Arrival: 21 Aug 1933
Vessel: Ascania
Search Ship Database: View the 'Ascania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Roll: T-14784

Gender: Female
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Birth Country: England
Date of Arrival: 21 Aug 1933
Vessel: Ascania
Search Ship Database: View the 'Ascania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Roll: T-14784

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Richard Donald
Name: Richard Donald
Gender: Male
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1918
Birth Country: Canada
Date of Arrival: 21 Aug 1933
Vessel: Ascania
Search Ship Database: View the 'Ascania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Roll: T-14784

Re: Marriage Richard Arthur Donald

sarge736 — 2009-11-09 03:04:08Z

They were married.

Ship manifest of Ascania leaving Southampton, England on August 12, 1933 and arriving in Quebec on August 21, 1933 shows an Arthur Donald age 53 born in England, accompanied by his wife Alice age 49 born in England and their 15 year old son Richard age 15 retu8rniong to their home at 286 Olive Ave. Oshawa, Ontario.

Ship Manifest indicates they had been living in Canada from May of 1913 until June 1933 before this trip to England.

Passport # 59468 issued on June 22, 1933 in Ottawa, Canada.

http://search.ancestry.ca/iexec/?htx=View&r=5543&dbi...

Re: Marriage Richard Arthur Donald

sarge736 — 2009-11-10 10:08:41Z

As ELLinSpain already pointed out Arthur Donald arrived in Oshawa as a single male in 1914. A full 2 years before Alice Chester arrived in Oshawa.

But in case you missed it.

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Arthur Donald
Name: Arthur Donald
Gender: Male
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Date of Arrival: 4 May 1914
Vessel: Ausonia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Ausonia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Roll: T-4807

Occupation: Stableman

In 1933 Arthur Donald was an Engineer arriving with his wife and son Glasgow, Scotland.

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Arthur Donald
Name: Arthur Donald
Birth Date: abt 1880
Age: 53
Port of Departure: Montrã©AL, Quã©Bec, Canada
Arrival Date: 14 Jul 1933
Port of Arrival: Glasgow, Scotland
Ports of Voyage: Montreal
Ship Name: Athenia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Athenia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Donaldson Line
Official Number: 146330

http://search.ancestry.ca/iexec/?htx=View&r=5543&dbi...

Re: Marriage Richard Arthur Donald

sarge736 — 2009-11-10 09:26:00Z

You bask for help. Then when others give you what is available you respond it is all pure conjecture. Many of us so want a "Good Story" in our family history and what is better then a "sex scandal tale." But facts are facts.

Donald was either born 1918 or 1919 according to ship records on line. So no she was obviously not pregnant when she arrived in Canada in 1916.

What is obvious is she is part of the lower class in England. She is a laundress which is about as low a profession as a woman could have. Not that there wer a lot of career paths in England for woman back then.

Almost anyone who has been doing this for awhile can connect the dots here. It's WWI and her husband is off to war leaving her alone in England. So she is either shipped off or decides to join her brother Joseph in Canada for the duration. Or her husband in the army decided she would be safer in Canada with a World War raging in Europe. Doesn't matter she is documented arriving Quebec in 1916 a 2 full years before any possability of Donald's birth.

Her husband is killed in Belgium in 1917. She's in Canada when notified. So what to go home too? Return to England a widow and be a laundress? I doubt her brother would have let her. Anyone doing genealogy knows a single woman who is "Washing In" or Washing Out" as a career is one step awy from prostitution. Sorry but that is the way it was back then. No husband and illiterate working class you became a servant if you could find work or you worked the streets to eat.

So she marries in Canada and has Donald in either 1918 or 1919. Leaves dirty old England behind like so many other British subjects did for the freedom and better life people found in Canada.

End of story. No "Scandal" No she didn't run off with her lover while Chester was at the front.

Now either you or Ruth check Canadaian records and you will find the marriage record.

As to pregnancy and "Bastard Children" one only needs to be able to count to 9 or find the church records. Our good friends in the church had no hesitenacy to classify a birth as that of a "Bastard Child." Bastard children were barred by law from inheritance.

Sorry to pop your bubble about the possability of "adultery in the face of the enemy" but it simply isn't here.

Good luck.

Re: War Records

btluna — 2009-11-10 14:22:02Z

It this the site you mean? It's not Attestation Papers but the Virtual War Memorial on Veterans Affairs Canada:
http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collection...

Re: War Records

DianaGendron58 — 2009-11-10 17:25:44Z

Hello, Go to the following website:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/war-dead/001056...

This is where you go to links that will take to how to order the Genealogy package for WW II war dead.

Search with his name (use Jarrold, with first name Gordon). You will get a screen with his name, date of birth and death and Service number. Click on his name there and you'll get a screen with a bit more of basic info for him. On that screen is a link that tells you how to order a Genealogy package for his Service file. Let me know direct to my e-mail if you don't find the information.

Diana Gendron mgendron@bconnex.net

Re: War Records

wpgbuilder — 2009-11-10 17:55:29Z

Just so you know, Lilian, due to the many requests for war service records they take about 4-5 months to arrive.

Re: War Records

4867175 — 2009-11-11 06:18:06Z

Hi: Further to P_G Simpson's post, the Toronto Star does have the details you seek:

page 4, March 10, 1944
There is a small headshot photo of G. Jarrold with the following details:

"Pte. Gordon Jarrold, 25, Irish regiment, was killed in action in Italy on Feb. 8. He leaves his widow, Mrs. Josephine Jarrold, Draper Street, and two daughters, Josephine, 4, and Rae, 2. He was born in England but lived in Toronto since the age of 3. He had been overseas since Sept 1942. His mother, Mrs. Janet Carr, Toronto, also survives."

On page 9, of the same issue of the paper, March 10, 1944, there is a list of those killed.

He is listed as Pte. Gordon Jarrold of 3 Draper Street, of the Central Ontario Regiment.

As you may already know, a lot of public libraries offer access to the Toronto Star's Pages of the Past for free, either in the library or by using your library card number via your home computer. Perhaps yours does.

Re: War Records

4867175 — 2009-11-11 14:28:25Z

Hi; I just wanted to take this opportunity to say how much I have appreciated your posts from time-to-time as I read various boards. I usually learn a lot about various online sources from reading them. So sometimes (not in this case) but even if the original message you are replying to goes no further in terms of feedback, please know that your messages are read and appreciated. So thank you! I always love learning a new place to look for information. And you offer lots of helpful tips!!

I was just wondering if you have ever done any research into what was/wasn't published in the Toronto Telegram regarding world war two soldiers killed in action and whether you think it might be worth a try for me to take a look in that publication for this lady. Do you know if it is available anywhere besides at the Archives in Ottawa? I don't know if the Toronto Star was really the newspaper that covered the war happenings in the most detail, or if it would be worth a try to look in the Telegram too?

Thanks again

Re: War Records

4867175 — 2009-11-11 14:16:55Z

Hi: I had forgotten that you and your friend were writing from England when I added my post at the wee hours this morning.(So obviously visiting the library with free acces isn't an option for you or your friend.) Access is available online for a small fee though. If your friend would like to see the photo of her Dad that is in the Star and for whatever reason can't get a copy, please feel free to let me know and if I can help with that, I would be happy to. It is just a really small photo of him wearing a tam style of hat and there are about four or five small headshot photos of other servicemen along side the photo of Gordon Jarrold.

Glad that all of the replies were helpful and it is fun to see how everyone who replied added a little piece to help solve the puzzle. And especially nice to try to help your friend on Remembrance Day.

Cecil E. Hilton m 1922 Alice V. Wicks, children?

BarbaraCady73 — 2009-11-13 21:44:48Z

Cecil Eversley Hilton married 17 August 1922 Lamberton, Ontario, Canada to Alice Violet Wicks born 11 April 1892 Ontario, Canada to Anslum Wicks and Florence Burwell. She
died 16 July 1927 Guelph, and was buried in Dresden.
Did she have any children? If so, what happened to them?

Lloyd Wicks born Sept 1906 Ontario Canada to Wm & Emma

BarbaraCady73 — 2009-11-13 21:36:31Z

William James Wicks and Emma M. Gorman had a son, Lloyd
Wicks, born Sept 1906 in Ontario, Canada. What became of him?

Re: War Records

O_Lorelei — 2009-11-12 17:11:59Z

If he was your Uncle that is o.k.

Write
National Archives of Canada
Personnel Records Unit
Research Services Division
Ottawa, Ontario
KlA ON3

Re: War Records

O_Lorelei — 2009-11-12 17:04:35Z

If you contact the address below they will contact
someone in Italy to get photographs of his memorial
stone in the cemetery, and also perhaps a few other
photos of the cemetery.

Commonwealth War Graves Commission
2 Marlow Road
Maidenhead
Berks SL6 7DX
telephone: 01628 634221
email: maria.choules@cwgc.org

Maria Choules
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Re: War Records

O_Lorelei — 2009-11-12 16:32:38Z

When you write for his attestation papers from
Ottawa, there is no charge for these records if
he was killed in action.

Re: War Records

lilianfrs — 2009-11-11 10:26:41Z

Thank you so much to EVERYONE who has replied to my messages. I know the lady concerned will be forever grateful for this information. I am passing on these replies to her,ASAP

Lilian Fraser from the north East of England. If anyone needs any help feel free to ask.

Re: War Records

lilianfrs — 2009-11-12 16:43:33Z

Thank you so much for this information. Everything is coming together nicely. It is also useful to me, as I have an uncle KIA. he was a canadian soldier. Would I be able to get the atesstation papers for him or do you have to be a close family member. And if I dare be so ignorant as to ask, does anyone have an address as to where I can send for the paperwork.

Thank you so much
Lilian Fraser

Re: War Records

lilianfrs — 2009-11-10 15:50:11Z

Thank you for your reply. I did have hte information on here, but this is virtually all we do have on this man.
But the papers I am talking about are what her signed when he joined up in the army, giving his weight height, marital status etc. I live in England, and I am desparately trying to find access to these records. I do remember that at the time I had access to them they were freely available. I am trying to help a friend (daughter of GORDAN JARROLD) who is now in her very late 60s and who never new her father as he died when she was a baby.

Thank you again.
Lilian Fraser

War Records

lilianfrs — 2009-11-10 13:32:43Z

Could anyone please resend me the link to records of assestaion records for the second world war. I know that I have been able to get the papers for men in the first world war on the internet, but now I need to trace someone who was killed in 1944,and I no longer have the link to the site. His name was Gordon JARROLD. born about 1918, and according to his war records was a canadian, but there was no age stated.

Thank you in advance
Lilian Fraser

GOYET, Female from Brantford or Paris Ontario area circa 1931

kentpattih1 — 2009-11-09 18:33:59Z

Looking for info on a woman born approx. 1917 - lived in Paris Ontario and worked as a cleaning lady. Lived with a truck driver from the states for one or 2 years, had a child (or perhaps twins) and gave one or both up for adoption when he,they were 1 y.o. Possibility of a twin brother is very high.

Re: JARROLD - ENGLAND TO CANADA

ELLinSpain — 2009-11-12 22:40:16Z

Jarrold, Gordon
Cemetery: Moro River Canadian War Cemetery
Country: Italy
Area: Chieti
Rank: Private
Official Number: B/79265
Unit: Irish Regiment of Canada RCIC
Force: Army
Nationality: Canadian
Details:
8th February 1944
GRAVE REF: VI H 13

MORO RIVER CANADIAN WAR CEMETERY
Country: Italy
Locality: unspecified
Visiting Information: The cemetery is permanently open and may be visited anytime. Wheelchair access to the cemetery is possible, but may be by alternative entrance. For further information regarding wheelchair access, please contact our Enquiries Section on telephone number 01628 507200.
Location Information: The Moro River Canadian War Cemetery lies in the locality of San Donato in the Commune of Ortona, Province of Chieti, and is sited on high ground near the sea just east of the main Adriatic coast road (SS16). The cemetery can be reached from Rome on the autostrada A25 (Rome-Pescara) by branching on the autostrada A14 and leaving it at Ortona. The approach road to the cemetery from the main road passes under an arch forming part of the little church of San Donato. Cemetery address: Contrada San Donato - 66028 Ortona Porto (CH) Abruzzo. GPS Co-ordinates: Latitude: 42.336403, Longitude: 14.416677.
Historical Information: On 3 September 1943 the Allies invaded the Italian mainland, the invasion coinciding with an armistice made with the Italians who then re-entered the war on the Allied side. Allied objectives were to draw German troops from the Russian front and more particularly from France, where an offensive was planned for the following year. Progress through southern Italy was rapid despite stiff resistance, but by the end of October, the Allies were facing the German winter defensive position known as the Gustav Line, which stretched from the river Garigliano in the west to the Sangro in the east. The Allied force that had fought its way up the Adriatic took the Sangro river positions by 30 November. The 1st Canadian Division went on to cross the Moro river on 6 December against stiff opposition, and to take Ortona on the 28th, after a week of bitter street fighting. The 2nd New Zealand division made some advances further inland but thereafter, there was virtually no movement east of the Appennines until after the fall of Rome. The site of the cemetery was chosen by the Canadian Corps in January 1944. It contains the graves of those who died during that fighting at Moro river and Ortona, and during the weeks that preceded and followed it. In December 1943 alone, the 1st Canadian Division suffered over 500 fatal battle casualties. Burials other than those of members of the Canadian forces are almost all in plots 12, 13 and 16. Moro River Canadian War Cemetery contains 1,615 Commonwealth burials of the Second World War.
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the only birth in England I can find for this name=

Births Sep 1907
JARROLD Gordon Arthur
registered in Edmonton
volume 3a
page 598

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ONTARIO

Name: Gordon Jarrold
TRUCK DRIVER BY TRADE
of 6 ST DAVIDS PLACE, TORONTO
Death Date: 8 Feb 1944
Death Location: Military - KILLED IN ACTION
Death Location Other: IN THE FIELD, Italy
Gender: Male
Birth : 3RD JAN 1918
Birth Location: England

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Births Mar 1918
Jarrold Margaret B
MOTHERS MAIDEN NAME Brown
Chelmsford
4a
925

Births Jun 1918
Jarrold Herbert
Des Forges
Sculcoates
9d
180

Re: Marriage Richard Arthur Donald

ELLinSpain — 2009-11-08 22:03:08Z

looked & could'nt find a return journey for her - perhaps she just decided to stay in Canada.....

she was married 6 years with Herbert & no children (very difficult back then) so.........

one of the wonderful, unanswerable things about this..

good luck

Re: Marriage Richard Arthur Donald

ELLinSpain — 2009-11-08 18:47:20Z

Name: Alice Maud Chester
A LAUNDRESS
Gender: Female
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
MARRIED
Date of Arrival: 20 Oct 1916
Vessel: Corsican
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4816

GOING TO BROTHER IN OSHAWA

Re: Marriage Richard Arthur Donald

ELLinSpain — 2009-11-09 08:37:10Z

Hi Sarge

You say they were married - without proof, ? I had shown the passenger lists with Alice saying she was a wife but then, as we all know, thro the eons, porkies have been told. Maybe they did, eventually, maybe she had to wait till she foud out Herbert had died ... all maybe's

The "Fitches" family Tree on Ancestry shows only young Richard (MAYBE)& his family - All of which is unsourced/not proven - no actual birth date shown for Richard just a year of 1919, no parents shown - yes there is a death date of Oct 2008 - but this dos'nt prove he is the right Richard

Regretfully, without a paper trail its conjecture

Looking for info on Richard Day

cdmd1965 — 2009-11-12 06:48:41Z

The only info I have is that Richard Day was born in Bastard Twp, Leeds, Ontario about 1766. Married Sarah ?? who was born about 1775. They had two children Anson M. Day and Richard Day. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Re: War Records

P_G_Simpson — 2009-11-10 23:26:18Z

The Canadian Virtual War Memorial says Private Gordon Jarrold died on February 8, 1944 and is buried in Italy.

http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collection...

Military Overseas Casualties are listed in Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1934…

http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=8946&...

The Ontario registration of death lists Gordon Jarrold’s last residence is given as 6 St. Davis Place, Toronto. It says he was British, born in England on January 3, 1918, but this would be best verified by his attestation papers, or a birth certificate. He was a truck driver. He was killed in action and was buried in Italy.

http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid...

A search for Jarrold in 1944 in the Toronto Star finds two mentions on March 10, 1944, which is about right from my experience, for news from the front to reach back home. Two mentions suggest his death in a Causality List and maybe an obit.

http://pagesofthepast.ca/Default.asp

It costs about $4 to search for an hour. News of his death and/or an obit published in his home town (?) newspaper may tell you a bit about him, or his parents.