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Re: connecting tree members

eGENEee — 2013-05-21 14:54:25Z

Wait a minute -- someone HAS to have access to that tree because William M. Whyte's death date has been entered. I doubt that he entered his own death date on the day he passed away.

He's probably not the tree owner -- His daughter is probably the owner.

Have you tried contacting the tree owner? They could either give you a copy OR if they have the tree in another program they could run a relationship report. (Actually, you would want to wait a while re: contacting them. I'm sure they are still grieving.)

Otherwise, all I can think of is entering the data from their tree into a new tree of your own -- and that would take a while! (You wouldn't have to enter everyone, though.)

I looked around the tree a bit and could not find a link between the Whytes and the Thalheimers. :( If there is one, I don't think it's a close one.

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

tjstandal — 2013-05-21 14:36:49Z

Update: i called the Lithuanian Cemetery in Chicago. The death record i posted for Casamir is correct. The one for Ignatz is not. Both of these brothers are buried, next to each other, at the Lithuanian Cemetery in Cook County, Chicago. Ignatz died 13, March 1948. Interestingly, the graves were the financial responsibility of Dan Kissell. They do not have obituaries on file for these men. I posted a query, for you, on a different board looking for obits. So far none have turned up.

Re: connecting tree members

bWielert — 2013-05-21 10:49:46Z

Two members are William M Whyte owner, deceased and Lawrence J Thalheimer also deceased..
Thank you for your efforts,
Bill

Re: connecting tree members

jmyoung365 — 2013-05-20 22:24:28Z

I did an article about this as it pertains to WorldConnect...it isn't clear where the poster found the tree...but with WorldConnect a tree is treated like any other personal possession and can be left to heirs or a designated person in a will. Some people just want the tree to remain to be used by others in the future or taken down upon death --- it is up to the owner. If a survivor has the password of course they can manage the tree or update an email contact address. If none of the above is available and the tree is on WorldConnect a Post-em Note can be added to any entry someone wants to update or correct. The above are all reasons I have my trees on WorldConnect as opposed to other locations.

Joan
PS: after my reply has time to be viewed I'm going to move this thread to a more appropriate board...it isn't relevant to USA General.

Re: connecting tree members

eGENEee — 2013-05-20 20:12:14Z

I don't think anyone manages a tree if the owner passes away.

If you post the full names/info I'll see if I can figure out the relationship. There could be a relationship revealed through other trees or other records.

(It's also possible that there is no relationship. I have a tree with thousands of people who aren't necessarily related...)

Re: connecting tree members

bWielert — 2013-05-20 17:21:27Z

Yes, identifying the common ancestor is my goal. So far I have not been able to do that.
Here's what I see: a five generation tree with the home/owner person in the 4th generation. The member I search for will show a branch with a couple of generations, but no connection with the home person's tree.
Unfortunately the owner/home person passed away in March so I don't know who to contact for more information.
Who manages a tree when owner has passed away?
Thanks for your response.
Bill

Re: connecting tree members

eGENEee — 2013-05-20 15:49:25Z

Here's a free "cousin" calculator:

http://www.searchforancestors.com/utility/cousincalculator.h...

You must identify their common ancestor first.

Note: If they are only related through marriage, then identify the common ancestor of their spouse. They would then be "Wife of x cousin etc." or "Husband of x cousin etc."

connecting tree members

bWielert — 2013-05-20 14:04:14Z

How does one identify relationship of two tree members not shown connected on the family screen?

Re: The Bryan Family, from Whtiehaven, Cumbria (then Cumberland), England- are you looking for us?

bethrau1 — 2013-05-20 04:23:45Z

Albert and younger brother Fred emigrated together, traveling to Bingham, Utah, in 1925.

Re: The Bryan Family, from Whtiehaven, Cumbria (then Cumberland), England- are you looking for us?

bethrau1 — 2013-05-19 22:53:12Z

Do a General search here on Ancestry.com and you will find others who are researching the GAYTHWAITE family.

http://boards.ancestry.com/SearchResults.aspx?db=mb&gss=...=

Re: The Bryan Family, from Whtiehaven, Cumbria (then Cumberland), England- are you looking for us?

robynbryan — 2013-05-19 21:44:17Z

Beth,

I honestly can't thank you enough. This is absolute gold. Thank you!

Re: The Bryan Family, from Whtiehaven, Cumbria (then Cumberland), England- are you looking for us?

bethrau1 — 2013-05-19 21:42:08Z

Sarah Hannah GAYTHWAITE, age 33, daughter Peggy, age 2, and an Edward GAYTHWAITE, age 21, sailed from Liverpool on September 22nd, 1923.

Sarah's father is listed as William BRYAN, 68 Penzance Street, Moor Row. The three stated they were traveling to Bingham Canyon in the state of Utah.

The Bryan Family, from Whtiehaven, Cumbria (then Cumberland), England- are you looking for us?

robynbryan — 2013-05-19 21:10:47Z

Hello,

I am trying to track down the American side of my family, who emigrated to the USA approx 1910. They were a family from Whitehaven, Cumberland (now Cumbria), and are actually from a village called Moor Row, just outside the city. While I do not have the information in front of me right now, at least two of them (John Bryan and Albert Bryan) were living in Flint, Michigan by the 1920s.

One brother, Thomas Bryan (1893-1917), fought in WW1 for the Canadian Infantry. He is buried at Loos cementary. He is listed on the Egremont WW1 memorial in Egremont, Cumbria.

As a tradition, first born boys tend to be called William.

My Great Grandfather was George Henry Bryan. He was one of 15 children, and was born in 1892 in Moor Row.

If this information is causing you to sit up in your chair, then I would love to hear from you. My family is very interested to get back in contact with the descendants.

From what we know, contact with the original immigrants and the descendants was last in the 1960s, when a letter was recieved saying that a relative was coming back from Vietnam. I am not sure whether the family had moved to other states by then.

If you are a Bryan, know a Bryan who is researching their family tree, or think you can help us track down the other Bryans, then I would love to hear from you.

Robyn

Re: The Bryan Family, from Whtiehaven, Cumbria (then Cumberland), England- are you looking for us?

bethrau1 — 2013-05-19 21:06:21Z

My reply (and research) disappeared when I tried to post it.

John and Albert were living in Detroit, Michigan with an apparent sister: Sarah Hannah, married name GAYTHWAITE. She was born about 1891 in Moor Row, according to a 1937 ship passenger list. She and her daughter Margaret, born Cleaton (if memory serves me right), were returning to the US from England.

John and Albert were listed as single, with no children living with them, in the 1940 Michigan census.

I'll continue to trace Sarah and Margaret for descendants.

Beth
not related

Re: Lederer Family of Asch/As Austria-Bohemia-Czech Republic

kevinmorris91215 — 2013-05-17 19:34:57Z

Her Marrried name was Anna Lederer Morrel. She married Royal Morrel in Muskegon, Michigan in 1899. Her father, Herman Lederer, was born in Czech Republic/Austria around 1859 I believe. Her mother's name was Minnie Schartel Lederer. Thanks for the input!

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

tjstandal — 2013-05-17 16:10:58Z

It is difficult for me to say, for sure. There are many records for differing Kissel individuals in Chicago. It is not uncommon for census' to have age differences. Is this the birth date of your subject?

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

eluksys — 2013-05-17 16:05:58Z

thank you for information.

I see that this woman's (Elsie Kissel) born date is 26-04-1898.
In few other records you send earlier- her born date is 1894 year.
Is difference in dates by 4 years isn't too much? :(

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

tjstandal — 2013-05-17 13:20:29Z

Given Name: Elsie
Middle Name:
Surname: Kissel
Name Suffix:
Birth Date: 26 April 1898
Social Security Number: 352-09-5624
State: Illinois
Last Place of Residence: Cook, Illinois
Previous Residence Postal Code: 60632
Event Date: March 1967
Age: 69

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

eluksys — 2013-05-17 13:15:34Z

Hello, I can't see Elsie' DEATH record. Can you post copied text to me.

Re: Andrew O'Donnell

ELLinSpain — 2013-05-16 21:04:21Z

not to my knowledge (but I could be wrong) see above contact details

http://www.archives.gov/research/search/

http://www.archives.gov/research/arc/

Re: Andrew O'Donnell

mkod1 — 2013-05-16 20:10:46Z

Thank you for your reply. Are any of the documents avilable on the internet, and if not where can I access the information'

Re: Lederer Family of Asch/As Austria-Bohemia-Czech Republic

thomasker2 — 2013-05-16 11:53:45Z

I’m not related to any member of this family.

Since she was born 1880/1881, you will need to provide her married name as there is a 20 yr gap in the census records [1880 - 1900]. The 1890 census was destroyed by fire in the 1920's.

Re: Andrew O'Donnell

ELLinSpain — 2013-05-16 09:11:01Z

LIST OF DETAINED PERSONS

Name: Andrew O'Donnell
Birth Year: abt 1879
Arrival Date: 24 May 1908
Arrival Age: 29
Ship Name: Friesland
Nativity/Origin: Irish
Series Title: Records of the Special Boards of Inquiry in District No. 4 (Philadelphia), compiled 08/28/1893-11/16/1909

Record Group Title: Records of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, 1787-2004
Record Group Number: Record Group 85
ARC Identifier: 4483061
Archive Roll: 16
Volume: Volume 47 Apr 27, 1908 - Aug 11, 1908

SHOWS AN ANNOTATION 26 MAY 1922
SHOWS GOING TO NYC

SHOULD BE MORE ON THE ORIGINALS

Department of Commerce and Labor, Bureau of Immigration and Naturalization. Records of the Special Boards of Inquiry, District No. 4 (Philadelphia), Immigration and Naturalization Service, 1893–1909. Microfilm publication M1500, 18 rolls. [ARC: 4483061.] Records of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, 1787–2004. Record group 85. National Archives and Records Administration, Washington, D.C.

Re: Andrew O'Donnell

mkod1 — 2013-05-16 06:43:17Z

Andrew had two brothers and a sister. Laurence, William and Mary. All remained in Ireland and I have their details. After Andrew arrived in America all contact was lost. At one time a neighbour said that he met Andy and that Andy was going out west. Thank you for replying to me.

Re: Bridget Rabbitt

falsterden — 2013-05-16 01:20:42Z

I think you missed my point....

Lederer Family of Asch/As Austria-Bohemia-Czech Republic

kevinmorris91215 — 2013-05-15 19:38:38Z

Wanting to know if anybody has any information or connection to the Lederer family of Ausch/As Austria/Bohemia. Not sure if they are actually from the area, just know that one family member, Anna Lederer, was born there in 1880/1881 before moving to America. Thanks!

Re: Andrew O'Donnell

eGENEee — 2013-05-15 19:03:11Z

Did he have any siblings? If so, do you know their names/dates?

Andrew O'Donnell

mkod1 — 2013-05-15 18:18:55Z

Andrew O'Donnell born Fethard, Co. Tipperary 1890. Parents: Michael O'Donnell and Annie Daniels. Arrived at Philadelphia port 25th May 1908. He did not go the person he had listed on his arrival form. Have tried all the census but no luck. Any help would be much appreciated. Two years ago I tried and some people were very helpful but still no trace of Andrew.

Andrew O'Donnell

mkod1 — 2013-05-15 18:13:42Z

Looking for information on Andrew O'Donnell born Co. Tipperary 1890. Arrived in America via Philadelphia 25th May 1908. Parents Michael O'Donnell and Annie Daniels.

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

tjstandal — 2013-05-14 18:45:59Z

Thats a good find! I will check into the Zalinky brothers and post what i find.

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

eluksys — 2013-05-14 18:00:31Z

I found some information:
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http://www.genealogybuff.com/oh/oh-summit-obits19.htm

James F. Kissel
James F. Kissel, 52, died March 15, 1998, after a courageous battle with cancer. Jim was born in Akron and was a lifelong resident, and worked many years as an electrician. He was preceded in death by his parents, Ruth and Raymond Kissel, and is survived by his daughter, Deanne Marie Kissel; son, James Brian Kissel, both of California; sisters and brothers-in-law, Janis Marshall of Mogadore, Jane and Denzel Moore of Arizona, Joan and Danny Barry of Rootstown; brothers and sisters-in-law, John and Rosemary Kissel of Akron, and Joseph and Sue Kissel of Rootstown; numerous nieces, nephews and many friends. Jim knew no strangers. A very special thank-you to Kathy and Linda, Jim's private home health Hospice nurses. Jim will be dearly missed. Prayers will be recited at 9:15 a.m. Thursday at the Hennessy-Bagnoli Funeral Home, 936 N. Main St., followed by Mass of Christian Burial at 10 a.m. at St. Martha's Church. Burial at Greenlawn Memorial Gardens. Friends may call at the funeral home from 2 to 4 and 7 to 9 p.m. Wednesday. In lieu of other remembrances, memorials may be made in Jim's memory to Visiting Nurse Hospice Care Center, 3358 Ridgewood Rd., Akron, Ohio 44333 or to the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, Summit County Chapter, 944 Wye Dr., Akron, Ohio 44303. (Hennessy-Bagnoli, AKRON, 376-4251.)
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... and very interesting this:
Raymond D Kissel
Cincinnati, OH
3022 Saddleback Dr
(513) 232-7035
Nov 1919 !!!

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

eluksys — 2013-05-14 17:24:02Z

It's amazing! Thank you.

Maybe there is possible to find information about Ignatz and Casimir families and their ancestors?

and about Raymond Dean and Pearl Kissel family and ancestors?

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

tjstandal — 2013-05-14 16:56:43Z

Name: Ignatz Zielinskas
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1930
Event Place: Cicero, Cook, Illinois
Gender: Male
Age: 50
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Birthplace: Lithuania
Birth Year (Estimated): 1880
Immigration Year: 1905
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Father's Birthplace: Lithuania
Mother's Birthplace: Lithuania
District: 2069
Household ID: 534
Sheet Number and Letter: 30A
Line Number: 45
Affiliate Publication Number: T626, roll 497
GS Film number: 2340232
Digital Folder Number: 4584298
Image Number: 00595
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Ignatz Zielinskas M 50 Lithuania
Wife Barbara Zielinskas F 46 Lithuania

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

tjstandal — 2013-05-14 16:55:12Z

Name: Ignatz Zalinski Or Zilinsky
Titles and Terms (Original):
Event Date: 23 Nov 1931
Event Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Gender: Male
Marital Status:
Race:
Age: 46
Birth Year (Estimated): 1885
Birth Date: 04 Mar 1885
Birthplace: Kauno, Lithuania
Father's Name: Unknown
Father's Titles and Terms:
Father's Birthplace: unknown
Mother's Name: Unknown
Mother's Titles and Terms:
Mother's Birthplace: unknown
Occupation: Tailor
Residence Place:
Address:
Spouse's Name: Bessie Zilinsky
Spouse's Titles and Terms (Original):
Spouse's Birthplace:
Burial Date: 11 Dec 1931
Burial Place: Cook, Ill.
Cemetery: Oak Forest
Informant's Name:
Additional Relatives:
Digital Folder Number: 4031915
Image Number: 602
GS Film number: 1893161
Reference ID: rn 32541

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

tjstandal — 2013-05-14 16:47:03Z

Name: Casimir Zalunski
Titles and Terms (Original):
Event Date: 15 Oct 1936
Event Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Gender: Male
Marital Status:
Race:
Age: 50
Birth Year (Estimated): 1886
Birth Date: 15 Aug 1886
Birthplace: Linkavas, Lithuania
Father's Name: Casimir Zalunski
Father's Titles and Terms:
Father's Birthplace: Linkavas, Lithuania
Mother's Name: Ignatia Dancevicind
Mother's Titles and Terms:
Mother's Birthplace: Pakroje Parapija, Lithuania
Occupation: None
Residence Place:
Address:
Spouse's Name:
Spouse's Titles and Terms (Original):
Spouse's Birthplace:
Burial Date: 17 Oct 1936
Burial Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Cemetery: Lithuania Natl.
Informant's Name:
Additional Relatives:
Digital Folder Number: 4153341
Image Number: 2724
GS Film number: 1927012
Reference ID: rn 29841

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

tjstandal — 2013-05-14 16:45:30Z

Marriage of Casamir in Chicago, 1907: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V2GD-KQK

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

eluksys — 2013-05-14 16:45:09Z

sorry, I can't see this record :(
Can you send copied text?

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

tjstandal — 2013-05-14 16:42:03Z

Casamir: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NQVF-9MB

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

tjstandal — 2013-05-14 16:40:59Z

A record for Casamir in Illinois:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NQVF-9MB

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

eluksys — 2013-05-14 16:31:23Z

I don't know name/surname of Raymond's wife.
As I know- Raymond had a son by name Raiden/Rayden (or similar) born about 1951.
Many years ago there was few letters and many photos from USA. Later any contacts were broken.

As I know to the USA emmigrated Elsie's two brothers:
- Kazimieras (Kazys) Zalunskis (Casimir Zalunski);
- Ignas Zalunskis (Igno Zalunski).

Attach: photos of Elsie and Casimir

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

tjstandal — 2013-05-14 16:13:08Z

It appears that the son, Raymond, was married to a woman named Pearl Gilbert. You may be able to find descendants of that marriage. Maybe in Ohio,
As a side note, i find many Kissel names in/around Chicago.

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

eluksys — 2013-05-14 16:08:40Z

Hello,

Thank you VERY MUCH for help!
I'm very surprised for your fast response.

Yes, it is these people.

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

tjstandal — 2013-05-14 14:16:24Z

This may be death of Elsie: http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&...

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

tjstandal — 2013-05-14 14:05:57Z

Death of Raymond Kissel: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VK17-N7K

Burial in Ohio: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Ki...;

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

tjstandal — 2013-05-14 13:46:00Z

Birth of son, Raymond Dean, 18, November 1919: Maywood, Cook County
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N7QB-YPN

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

tjstandal — 2013-05-14 13:44:56Z

Marriage, 8, January 1916: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N7ZF-PTP
Melrose Park, Cook County, Illinois

Re: Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

tjstandal — 2013-05-14 13:26:37Z

Is this the family? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MJWF-W6P

And in 1930: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XSLH-FPL

Kisel, Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell, Kisielius, Zalunskis, Zalunski, Zalunsky....

eluksys — 2013-05-14 12:58:56Z

Hello,

I'm trying to find Kisel (Kisiel, Kissel, Kissell) ancestors from Lithuania. Kisel = KISIELIUS.

As I know Elzbieta Zalunskyte (Elisabeth Zalunski) emmigrated from Lithuania to USA and get married Kissel and had son Ray Kissel.

To the USA emmigrated two brothers too, one of them was musician and artist.

Re: Bridget Rabbitt

falsterden — 2013-05-14 11:34:30Z

So...after all, you do know all about her family, and where she fits into your family tree?

Re: Bridget Rabbitt

McGartlandT — 2013-05-14 07:58:51Z

I have her placed in the family tree but I am very concerned about her being there without any hard facts. The only living relatives are in their late 70s and 80s and know nothing about her. The only person who has any recollection of her name has dimentia problems, which doesn't help!