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    <pubDate>2013-05-09 10:21:21Z</pubDate>
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      <title>update- looking for obituary for Juanita Clark Glenn</title>
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      <description>Still need help in locating an obituary for Juanita Clark Glenn. She died aft August 1995 according to her sister Lucille Schatz's obit. I would think her obituary would be in the Birmingham News. Are there any researchers that do the Random Act of Genealogical Kindness for Jefferson County? Would be grateful for any help, this Clark family seemed to have disappeared..I am still searching for cousins in Schatz or Glenn families. </description>
      <pubDate>2013-05-20 00:44:15Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Allen, Holbert A., and Benjamin F. Harris  1850 US Census</title>
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      <description>  Also, there was a site dedicated to researching the Poe family who were listed as neighbors of the Alabama Harris's in the same 1850 census in Shlby/Jefferson Co. , in which Benjamin F Harris is listed as married to an "Elizabeth Tucker", that is "Elizabeth T. Harris", which could only mean that the graves found in the small Harris Cemetery in Shelby Co, Alabama, where a Ben F. Harris was buried next to an Elizabeth T. Harris, with his death date marked "Aug 19 1883", must necessarily be the Holbert relation, not the Benjamin who dies in Illinois in 1858. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here's the site:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.poegen.net/AL/Notes/ALshelbyJeffersonCoPoe.htm" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.poegen.net/AL/Notes/ALshelbyJeffersonCoPoe.htm&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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      <title>Re: Allen, Holbert A., and Benjamin F. Harris  1850 US Census</title>
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      <description> Correction: I misspoke concerning the Benjamin F. who died in 1858 in Illinois. He never lived in Alabama. Which is kind of another strike against the probability that he's the same Ben F. shown in the 1850 census alongside Holbert, Overton, Allen, and so forth. He moved as far south as Georgia, then into Tennessee, and from there to Illinois, all before 1850.    </description>
      <pubDate>2013-05-09 09:53:18Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Allen, Holbert A., and Benjamin F. Harris  1850 US Census</title>
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      <description> I think I'm familiar with the B.F. Harris you're referring to. There were two B.F. Harris's in Shelby/Jefferson Co., both born 1808/9 in South Carolina, with one dying in 1883, and one dying in 1858 in Illinois. I had assumed that it was merely coincidental, and that the B.F. Harris that died of old age in Alabama was the relative of Holbert simply because of all the documentation I had found concerning the other B.F. Harris, there was no mention of a brother by the name of Holbert, or of any other relation by that name. Furthermore, there were marriage records showing the Benjamin who died in 1858 being married in Illinois in 1838, which would mean he would not have likely been present for the Alabama census showing Holbert living either close to, or with another Ben. F, as well as Overton, William, a Benjamin H., and so on. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; Also, I have recently come across a site constructed by others researching their genealogy as it pertains to  Illinois Benjamin, and they have done some amazingly in-depth work that all but rules out their Benjamin having been Holbert's brother. (There's even a letter that their  Benjamin wrote the very year that he died to another relative where he states that of his brothers, he is the last surviving to his knowledge). Could they have still been related? Even long lost brothers perhaps? Certainly. But from what I've read on their site in particular, it doesn't appear to add up. I could be missing something though, and genealogy is a pursuit wrought with surprises and corrections.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here's that site I mentioned:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.isaac-harris-fam.us/gardabook00.html" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.isaac-harris-fam.us/gardabook00.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just copy and paste that link into your browser.     </description>
      <pubDate>2013-05-09 09:49:35Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: St Nickolas Russian Orthodox Cemetary</title>
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      <description>Go to the church's website: saintnicholasbrookside.org and there is a link to photos of the headstones.</description>
      <pubDate>2013-05-08 20:51:48Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Allen, Holbert A., and Benjamin F. Harris  1850 US Census</title>
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      <description>I have since learned that Benjamin Franklin Harris died in 1858! The brother who fought with the Alabama regiment was Overton G. Harris.</description>
      <pubDate>2013-05-08 07:13:12Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Allen, Holbert A., and Benjamin F. Harris  1850 US Census</title>
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      <description> That's interesting that she had Kelly's in her line, as I have Kelly's in mine as well (though likely not the same Kelly's). During the war, Holbert married a "Melissa Elvira Owen" in Arkasnas in 1861. She had two children by him, one of which was my great great grandfather, Benjamin F. Harris (this strain of Harris's may have been poor, but they seem to have had a lot of "Benjamins"). Ahem, all kidding aside, he had a son, Richard T. Harris, who then married a "Sarah Adlin Kelly", my great grandmother.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; Anyhow, just thought I'd share. This part of my tree fascinates me the most, because the war seems to have split the family, with the descendants of one taking root in Arkansas, seemingly unaware of the other half in Alabama and Georgia, ( I'd have to assume at least, since Holbert died when our Arkansas fore-bearers were so young).  </description>
      <pubDate>2013-05-07 19:27:36Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Allen, Holbert A., and Benjamin F. Harris  1850 US Census</title>
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      <description>I believe Allen may have died either in the war or from injuries.  That happened to a lot of men during that time. At any rate he "disappears" before 1860, I believe. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I was researching this line for my dad's 1st cousin who is now deceased.  The Wideman's came through Harris County, GA, on their way to Alabama.  They were related to the Teal/Teel family.  I think both lines were out of NC.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, there was a big group of Harris men who lived in Harris Co.&amp;amp; the surrounding area,  Not saying these men were related to them; but I think it could be possible.  Until 1836 or later, Indians were all over that area of western GA/eastern AL.  So, it makes sense to me that they may have rode together, so to speak.  I'm not saying they did; only that this may be a possibility for someone to research.  My research on this line is done.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Her ancestor was the daughter of Allen who married a Kelly.  Several of the daughter married men who ended up in Phenix City, AL, and Columbus, GA.</description>
      <pubDate>2013-05-07 05:31:50Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Allen, Holbert A., and Benjamin F. Harris  1850 US Census</title>
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      <description> My name is Steven Harris, and Holbert was my Great Great Great Grandfather on my dad's (Larry Harris) side. He did indeed move to Arkansas as the war began (or so it would seem). If you look at the 1850 Census for Sehlby/Jefferson counties (where they lived was near the county line, and the line shifted at some point, I believe), you'll find a very tight knit group of Harris' living near an also tightly knit "Poe" family. The eldest males in this Harris group all seem to follow a similar trajectory of migration up to that point: South Carolina, to Georgia, and then to Alabama, leading one to believe that they were somehow related. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; The general notion, from what I've seen, is that the three eldest males, Benjamin F. Harris (b. 1809 in S.C.), Holbert A. Harris (b. 1819 in Ga.), and an Allen Harris (b. abt. 1820 in Ala.) were brothers. This can be determined by their similarity in age, ruling out the possibility that one is the father of the other two. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; Of the Harris' in this same group from the census, 5 would have been more or less of suitable service age by the time of the war: the three already mentioned (Ben, Holbert, and Allen), as well as younger boys who appear to be Benjamin's sons: an Overton C. Harris (b. abt. 1840), Benjamin H. Harris (b. Sep. 1842), and William Harris (b. abt. 1845). Benjamin F. Harris would have been a tad old for typical service (in his early 50's or late 40's), but might have been able to render his services regardless, as his probable brother Holbert was a similar age, and was able to render his services.  William would be the youngest, and a year shy of 16 I believe, which was the youngest that either side would accept, if I recall correctly. Nothing that a little fudging wouldn't remedy, if he were so inclined.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The best way to trace for Civil War ancestry is by using the most recent census relative to 1861, which is usually the 1850 or 1860 census. You do this in order to determine the county in which they were living, and likely to have lived at the outset of hostilities, as the various companies of a regiment were formed according to county in the vast majority of cases on both sides. Co. A would be composed of men from one county, Co. b from another, and so on, and the aggregate of all would make a regiment. Here's what I cam e to find when applying this technique:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There was a Benjamin F. Harris, who served in the 17th Battalion of Alabama Sharpshooters, Co. A. This company was mustered from men of Jefferson Cty., which would fit our Ben. Further more, this company was culled from a previous Infantry regiment, the 19th Alabama Co. I, again, composed of Jefferson Cty. men, on whose roll a Benjamin F. Harris also appears. Given that the Sharpshooter battn. was a pretty small unit, there wouldn't be much room for a coincidental match. Must have been a keen shot.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Overton C. Harris joined the 18th regt. Alabama Inf., and rose from pvt. to 2nd Lt. (which is quite a feet), before being captured at Missionary Ridge, TN. in 1863. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Holbert A. Harris moved to Newton Cty. Arkansas, and joined the 2nd Arkansas Volunteer Inf. This was actually a Union regiment. Newton cty. was rather well-known for being a hot-bed for both Unionists and peace activists alike, and it's my opinion that this was the reason for Holbert's move. Holbert could very well have been estranged from his family due to his allegiance to the Union. Holbert died of disease contracted in the course of his duty at Lewisburg, Ark. (outside of present-day Conway, Ar.), in late 1864. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for William, I am less sure, although there does appear to be a William G. Harris (and "G" is listed as William's middle name according to some) in Co. B of the 2nd Regt. of Alabama Reserves (a.k.a. the 63rd Ala.). This would make sense, as this was a unit comprised primarily of young boys between the ages of 15 and 17. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for Benjamin H. Harris, who would have been 18 or 19 at the time, I'm also uncertain. A little more digging and I'm sure something will come of it.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Allen/Allan Harris, as others have pointed out, is the biggest mystery, as he appears just before the war, and then seemingly disappears.   &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;  </description>
      <pubDate>2013-05-07 04:43:19Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Mercy Home</title>
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      <description>My Aunt was placed in Mercy Home when she was 15 according to the 1930 census and there is no mention of her in 1940.  There are no death records that I can find and it is like it all stopped there.  Is there anyway to look up or would you know how I would go about finding what happened to her.  Did they move the girls once they reached a certain age. I know Mercy Home changed to Alabama Industrial school for Girl's in the late or early 1930's.  Thanks so much. </description>
      <pubDate>2013-05-01 01:38:37Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: LEWIS from England to  Fairfield, AL</title>
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      <description>&lt;br&gt;This is my great-grandmother. Her daughter Helen Stewart Henderson was my grandmother. </description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-24 21:12:25Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Alabama Boys' Industrial School</title>
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      <description>No, but that's a good idea. I don't know for sure, that he killed his brother, but the dates and knowing things about my dad's life, seem to point to that. </description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-16 16:01:15Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Alabama Boys' Industrial School</title>
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      <description>Thank you. He did go on to live an interesting life. Not the best husband and father material, but considering his past, he didn't do that bad. I have some fond memories of him. I was from his second marriage. He was in his mid fifties when I was born, and died hard, just before my 9th birthday.</description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-16 15:58:32Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Alabama Boys' Industrial School</title>
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      <description>Have you ever been able to get records of any kind from the school as in inmate records?</description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-16 13:55:37Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Alabama Boys' Industrial School</title>
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      <description>Have you ever been able to obtain old records of any kind from the reform school?</description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-16 13:53:56Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Alabama Boys' Industrial School</title>
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      <description>What a sad story...but does give great insight as to the kind of place the school was.  Awful that a child has to endure such cruelty.  And you are right about the census spelling...names are so messed up, I think some of the census takers could barely write themselves.  </description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-16 13:52:35Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Alabama Boys' Industrial School</title>
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      <description>The shooting was around 10/30/1916, at least that's Charlie's day of death. So dad went in in late 1916 thru early 1917. He was known to embellish and may have picked the mining story up from some of the older boys, but I know the abuse and the molestation were true, because that was verified in family law, and everything about his later life. He had wrecking yards, and had a thing about taking in abused dogs, that no one could get near, and slowly gaining their trust. He also couldn't abide an unfair fight, and could take several aggressors on all at once. &lt;br&gt;As I said, I had been in similar circumstances. There were many good caring people in his place and in mine, but the system didn't check the workers too closely in both our times, and a lot of scum got through, and just like now, you have a hard time believing a troubled child's story, that is what bullies count on, even today. my e-mail address is steven425#centurytel.net</description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-15 20:31:06Z</pubDate>
      <author>McCormick_Nancy</author>
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      <title>Re: Alabama Boys' Industrial School</title>
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      <description>Ms. McCormick,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the next 12 months we will publish a book on the early years of ABIS. If your father was there from 1920-27, he was at the end of the administration of a board of ladies and the transition to a reformatory. I can almost assure you that no ABIS boys worked in the mines; in fat Elizabeth Johnson founded ABIS because she had been appalled to find boys working with men convicts in the mines in the 1890s. Please send me your email address and I will put you in contact with the book's author who will certainly want to talk with you. my email is &lt;a href="mailto://jeff.benton@newsouthbooks.com"&gt;jeff.benton@newsouthbooks.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-15 19:41:40Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Alabama Boys' Industrial School</title>
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      <description>My dad was there from age 7 until he escaped at age 14. He told my mom and me that he had shot an 11 year old boy who tried to take a quarter from him. Decades later, I found a record of a brother he never mentioned, who died when my dad was 7 and he was 11. I think that's the boy he shot.  His name was Rauda Shell, born 1909, but the 1910 census has him as "Randy" and the 1920 Census from ABIS has him as "Renda". I think it was an odd name, and census was hand written, so it get's typed different ways. There was a Renda Shell who was a doctor on the other side of the state. There were rich plantation Shells, and tar-paper shack Shells. He was listed at age 11 on the same line with 15 and 16 year olds.  He was beaten and raped by kids and guards when he was little and became a vicious fighter with little tolerance of bullies. When he was 14, a guard tried to rape him. He hit the guard who fell down the stairs hitting his head and died. My dad was a fugitive. He ran home, and saw his mom laid out in the living room with coins in her eyes. His brother, half sister (who may have actually been his mother) and step dad, helped him stay out of the law's reach. One day, he saw another brutal guard, having a bar-b-Que with his family. My dad went into their yard, told the man's family what an a-hole he was, and proceeded to knock the snot out of him. No family members intervened, so I guess they knew the guy was an a-hole too. Dad and his brother stole to live. This got a posse after them. Half Sister Fannie and Step dad Shep Pierce, lied about his age and enlisted him in the navy. He didn't go back to Alabama for 30 years. The marching bands shown in the photo's would have explained one of my father's answers, when enlisting. When asked, why he wanted to join the Navy, he answered, "to learn music." Another thing about the school, was that it used the younger boys to quarry and mine, because they were small and could fit in tight spaces. I believe there was one building for white boys, and another campus for black boys. </description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-15 00:34:54Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Alabama Boys' Industrial School</title>
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      <description>My dad was there from age 7 until he escaped at age 14. He told my mom and me that he had shot an 11 year old boy who tried to take a quarter from him. Decades later, I found a record of a brother he never mentioned, who died when my dad was 7 and he was 11. I think that's the boy he shot.  His name was Rauda Shell, born 1909, but the 1910 census has him as "Randy" and the 1920 Census from ABIS has him as "Renda". I think it was an odd name, and census was hand written, so it get's typed different ways. There was a Renda Shell who was a doctor on the other side of the state. There were rich plantation Shells, and tar-paper shack Shells. He was listed at age 11 on the same line with 15 and 16 year olds.  He was beaten and raped by kids and guards when he was little and became a vicious fighter with little tolerance of bullies. When he was 14, a guard tried to rape him. He hit the guard who fell down the stairs hitting his head and died. My dad was a fugitive. He ran home, and saw his mom laid out in the living room with coins in her eyes. His brother, half sister (who may have actually been his mother) and step dad, helped him stay out of the law's reach. One day, he saw another brutal guard, having a bar-b-Que with his family. My dad went into their yard, told the man's family what an a-hole he was, and proceeded to knock the snot out of him. No family members intervened, so I guess they knew the guy was an a-hole too. Dad and his brother stole to live. This got a posse after them. Half Sister Fannie and Step dad Shep Pierce, lied about his age and enlisted him in the navy. He didn't go back to Alabama for 30 years. The marching bands shown in the photo's would have explained one of my father's answers, when enlisting. When asked, why he wanted to join the Navy, he answered, "to learn music." Another thing about the school, was that it used the younger boys to quarry and mine, because they were small and could fit in tight spaces. </description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-15 00:33:27Z</pubDate>
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      <description>My dad was there from age 7 until he escaped at age 14. He told my mom and me that he had shot an 11 year old boy who tried to take a quarter from him. Decades later, I found a record of a brother he never mentioned, who died when my dad was 7 and he was 11. I think that's the boy he shot.  His name was Rauda Shell, born 1909, but the 1910 census has him as "Randy" and the 1920 Census from ABIS has him as "Renda". I think it was an odd name, and census was hand written, so it get's typed different ways. There was a Renda Shell who was a doctor on the other side of the state. There were rich plantation Shells, and tar-paper shack Shells. He was listed at age 11 on the same line with 15 and 16 year olds.  He was beaten and raped by kids and guards when he was little and became a vicious fighter with little tolerance of bullies. When he was 14, a guard tried to rape him. He hit the guard who fell down the stairs hitting his head and died. My dad was a fugitive. He ran home, and saw his mom laid out in the living room with coins in her eyes. His brother, half sister (who may have actually been his mother) and step dad, helped him stay out of the law's reach. One day, he saw another brutal guard, having a bar-b-Que with his family. My dad went into their yard, told the man's family what an a-hole he was, and proceeded to knock the snot out of him. No family members intervened, so I guess they knew the guy was an a-hole too. Dad and his brother stole to live. This got a posse after them. Half Sister Fannie and Step dad Shep Pierce, lied about his age and enlisted him in the navy. He didn't go back to Alabama for 30 years. The marching bands shown in the photo's would have explained one of my father's answers, when enlisting. When asked, why he wanted to join the Navy, he answered, "to learn music." Another thing about the school, was that it used the younger boys to quarry and mine, because they were small and could fit in tight spaces. </description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-15 00:32:00Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Alabama Boys' Industrial School</title>
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      <description>My dad was there from age 7 until he escaped at age 14. He told my mom and me that he had shot an 11 year old boy who tried to take a quarter from him. Decades later, I found a record of a brother he never mentioned, who died when my dad was 7 and he was 11. I think that's the boy he shot.  His name was Rauda Shell, born 1909, but the 1910 census has him as "Randy" and the 1920 Census from ABIS has him as "Renda". I think it was an odd name, and census was hand written, so it get's typed different ways. There was a Renda Shell who was a doctor on the other side of the state. There were rich plantation Shells, and tar-paper shack Shells. He was listed at age 11 on the same line with 15 and 16 year olds.  He was beaten and raped by kids and guards when he was little and became a vicious fighter with little tolerance of bullies. When he was 14, a guard tried to rape him. He hit the guard who fell down the stairs hitting his head and died. My dad was a fugitive. He ran home, and saw his mom laid out in the living room with coins in her eyes. His brother, half sister (who may have actually been his mother) and step dad, helped him stay out of the law's reach. One day, he saw another brutal guard, having a bar-b-Que with his family. My dad went into their yard, told the man's family what an a-hole he was, and proceeded to knock the snot out of him. No family members intervened, so I guess they knew the guy was an a-hole too. Dad and his brother stole to live. This got a posse after them. Half Sister Fannie and Step dad Shep Pierce, lied about his age and enlisted him in the navy. He didn't go back to Alabama for 30 years. The marching bands shown in the photo's would have explained one of my father's answers, when enlisting. When asked, why he wanted to join the Navy, he answered, "to learn music." Another thing about the school, was that it used the younger boys to quarry and mine, because they were small and could fit in tight spaces. </description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-15 00:30:53Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Alabama Boys' Industrial School</title>
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      <description>My dad was there from age 7 until he escaped at age 14. He told my mom and me that he had shot an 11 year old boy who tried to take a quarter from him. Decades later, I found a record of a brother he never mentioned, who died when my dad was 7 and he was 11. I think that's the boy he shot.  His name was Rauda Shell, born 1909, but the 1910 census has him as "Randy" and the 1920 Census from ABIS has him as "Renda". I think it was an odd name, and census was hand written, so it get's typed different ways. There was a Renda Shell who was a doctor on the other side of the state. There were rich plantation Shells, and tar-paper shack Shells. He was listed at age 11 on the same line with 15 and 16 year olds.  He was beaten and raped by kids and guards when he was little and became a vicious fighter with little tolerance of bullies. When he was 14, a guard tried to rape him. He hit the guard who fell down the stairs hitting his head and died. My dad was a fugitive. He ran home, and saw his mom laid out in the living room with coins in her eyes. His brother, half sister (who may have actually been his mother) and step dad, helped him stay out of the law's reach. One day, he saw another brutal guard, having a bar-b-Que with his family. My dad went into their yard, told the man's family what an a-hole he was, and proceeded to knock the snot out of him. No family members intervened, so I guess they knew the guy was an a-hole too. Dad and his brother stole to live. This got a posse after them. Half Sister Fannie and Step dad Shep Pierce, lied about his age and enlisted him in the navy. He didn't go back to Alabama for 30 years. The marching bands shown in the photo's would have explained one of my father's answers, when enlisting. When asked, why he wanted to join the Navy, he answered, "to learn music." Another thing about the school, was that it used the younger boys to quarry and mine, because they were small and could fit in tight spaces. </description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-15 00:27:38Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Alabama Boys' Industrial School</title>
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      <description>My dad was there from age 7 until he escaped at age 14. He told my mom and me that he had shot an 11 year old boy who tried to take a quarter from him. Decades later, I found a record of a brother he never mentioned, who died when my dad was 7 and he was 11. I think that's the boy he shot.  His name was Rauda Shell, born 1909, but the 1910 census has him as "Randy" and the 1920 Census from ABIS has him as "Renda". I think it was an odd name, and census was hand written, so it get's typed different ways. There was a Renda Shell who was a doctor on the other side of the state. There were rich plantation Shells, and tar-paper shack Shells. He was listed at age 11 on the same line with 15 and 16 year olds.  He was beaten and raped by kids and guards when he was little and became a vicious fighter with little tolerance of bullies. When he was 14, a guard tried to rape him. He hit the guard who fell down the stairs hitting his head and died. My dad was a fugitive. He ran home, and saw his mom laid out in the living room with coins in her eyes. His brother, half sister (who may have actually been his mother) and step dad, helped him stay out of the law's reach. One day, he saw another brutal guard, having a bar-b-Que with his family. My dad went into their yard, told the man's family what an a-hole he was, and proceeded to knock the snot out of him. No family members intervened, so I guess they knew the guy was an a-hole too. Dad and his brother stole to live. This got a posse after them. Half Sister Fannie and Step dad Shep Pierce, lied about his age and enlisted him in the navy. He didn't go back to Alabama for 30 years. The marching bands shown in the photo's would have explained one of my father's answers, when enlisting. When asked, why he wanted to join the Navy, he answered, "to learn music." Another thing about the school, was that it used the younger boys to quarry and mine, because they were small and could fit in tight spaces. </description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-15 00:25:53Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Alabama Boys' Industrial School</title>
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      <description>The Anniston Star has been around over 100 years. You have to have a subscription to use their archives. </description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-15 00:23:37Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Alabama Boys' Industrial School</title>
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      <description>My dad was there from age 7 until he escaped at age 14. He told my mom and me that he had shot an 11 year old boy who tried to take a quarter from him. Decades later, I found a record of a brother he never mentioned, who died when my dad was 7 and he was 11. I think that's the boy he shot.  His name was Rauda Shell, born 1909, but the 1910 census has him as "Randy" and the 1920 Census from ABIS has him as "Renda". I think it was an odd name, and census was hand written, so it get's typed different ways. There was a Renda Shell who was a doctor on the other side of the state. There were rich plantation Shells, and tar-paper shack Shells. He was listed at age 11 on the same line with 15 and 16 year olds.  He was beaten and raped by kids and guards when he was little and became a vicious fighter with little tolerance of bullies. When he was 14, a guard tried to rape him. He hit the guard who fell down the stairs hitting his head and died. My dad was a fugitive. He ran home, and saw his mom laid out in the living room with coins in her eyes. His brother, half sister (who may have actually been his mother) and step dad, helped him stay out of the law's reach. One day, he saw another brutal guard, having a bar-b-Que with his family. My dad went into their yard, told the man's family what an a-hole he was, and proceeded to knock the snot out of him. No family members intervened, so I guess they knew the guy was an a-hole too. Dad and his brother stole to live. This got a posse after them. Half Sister Fannie and Step dad Shep Pierce, lied about his age and enlisted him in the navy. He didn't go back to Alabama for 30 years. The marching bands shown in the photo's would have explained one of my father's answers, when enlisting. When asked, why he wanted to join the Navy, he answered, "to learn music." Another thing about the school, was that it used the younger boys to quarry and mine, because they were small and could fit in tight spaces. </description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-15 00:22:03Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Alabama Boys' Industrial School</title>
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      <description>My dad was there from age 7 until he escaped at age 14. He told my mom and me that he had shot an 11 year old boy who tried to take a quarter from him. Decades later, I found a record of a brother he never mentioned, who died when my dad was 7 and he was 11. I think that's the boy he shot.  His name was Rauda Shell, born 1909, but the 1910 census has him as "Randy" and the 1920 Census from ABIS has him as "Renda". I think it was an odd name, and census was hand written, so it get's typed different ways. There was a Renda Shell who was a doctor on the other side of the state. There were rich plantation Shells, and tar-paper shack Shells. He was listed at age 11 on the same line with 15 and 16 year olds.  He was beaten and raped by kids and guards when he was little and became a vicious fighter with little tolerance of bullies. When he was 14, a guard tried to rape him. He hit the guard who fell down the stairs hitting his head and died. My dad was a fugitive. He ran home, and saw his mom laid out in the living room with coins in her eyes. His brother, half sister (who may have actually been his mother) and step dad, helped him stay out of the law's reach. One day, he saw another brutal guard, having a bar-b-Que with his family. My dad went into their yard, told the man's family what an a-hole he was, and proceeded to knock the snot out of him. No family members intervened, so I guess they knew the guy was an a-hole too. Dad and his brother stole to live. This got a posse after them. Half Sister Fannie and Step dad Shep Pierce, lied about his age and enlisted him in the navy. He didn't go back to Alabama for 30 years. The marching bands shown in the photo's would have explained one of my father's answers, when enlisting. When asked, why he wanted to join the Navy, he answered, "to learn music." Another thing about the school, was that it used the younger boys to quarry and mine, because they were small and could fit in tight spaces. </description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-15 00:20:55Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Alabama Boys' Industrial School</title>
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      <description>My dad was there from age 7 until he escaped at age 14. He told my mom and me that he had shot an 11 year old boy who tried to take a quarter from him. Decades later, I found a record of a brother he never mentioned, who died when my dad was 7 and he was 11. I think that's the boy he shot.  His name was Rauda Shell, born 1909, but the 1910 census has him as "Randy" and the 1920 Census from ABIS has him as "Renda". I think it was an odd name, and census was hand written, so it get's typed different ways. There was a Renda Shell who was a doctor on the other side of the state. There were rich plantation Shells, and tar-paper shack Shells. He was listed at age 11 on the same line with 15 and 16 year olds.  He was beaten and raped by kids and guards when he was little and became a vicious fighter with little tolerance of bullies. When he was 14, a guard tried to rape him. He hit the guard who fell down the stairs hitting his head and died. My dad was a fugitive. He ran home, and saw his mom laid out in the living room with coins in her eyes. His brother, half sister (who may have actually been his mother) and step dad, helped him stay out of the law's reach. One day, he saw another brutal guard, having a bar-b-Que with his family. My dad went into their yard, told the man's family what an a-hole he was, and proceeded to knock the snot out of him. No family members intervened, so I guess they knew the guy was an a-hole too. Dad and his brother stole to live. This got a posse after them. Half Sister Fannie and Step dad Shep Pierce, lied about his age and enlisted him in the navy. He didn't go back to Alabama for 30 years. The marching bands shown in the photo's would have explained one of my father's answers, when enlisting. When asked, why he wanted to join the Navy, he answered, "to learn music." Another thing about the school, was that it used the younger boys to quarry and mine, because they were small and could fit in tight spaces. </description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-15 00:20:00Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Alabama Boys' Industrial School</title>
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      <description>My dad was there from age 7 until he escaped at age 14. He told my mom and me that he had shot an 11 year old boy who tried to take a quarter from him. Decades later, I found a record of a brother he never mentioned, who died when my dad was 7 and he was 11. I think that's the boy he shot.  His name was Rauda Shell, born 1909, but the 1910 census has him as "Randy" and the 1920 Census from ABIS has him as "Renda". I think it was an odd name, and census was hand written, so it get's typed different ways. There was a Renda Shell who was a doctor on the other side of the state. There were rich plantation Shells, and tar-paper shack Shells. He was listed at age 11 on the same line with 15 and 16 year olds.  He was beaten and raped by kids and guards when he was little and became a vicious fighter with little tolerance of bullies. When he was 14, a guard tried to rape him. He hit the guard who fell down the stairs hitting his head and died. My dad was a fugitive. He ran home, and saw his mom laid out in the living room with coins in her eyes. His brother, half sister (who may have actually been his mother) and step dad, helped him stay out of the law's reach. One day, he saw another brutal guard, having a bar-b-Que with his family. My dad went into their yard, told the man's family what an a-hole he was, and proceeded to knock the snot out of him. No family members intervened, so I guess they knew the guy was an a-hole too. Dad and his brother stole to live. This got a posse after them. Half Sister Fannie and Step dad Shep Pierce, lied about his age and enlisted him in the navy. He didn't go back to Alabama for 30 years. The marching bands shown in the photo's would have explained one of my father's answers, when enlisting. When asked, why he wanted to join the Navy, he answered, "to learn music." Another thing about the school, was that it used the younger boys to quarry and mine, because they were small and could fit in tight spaces. </description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-15 00:16:55Z</pubDate>
      <author>McCormick_Nancy</author>
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      <title>Re: Alabama Boys' Industrial School</title>
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      <description>My dad was there from age 7 until he escaped at age 14. He told my mom and me that he had shot an 11 year old boy who tried to take a quarter from him. Decades later, I found a record of a brother he never mentioned, who died when my dad was 7 and he was 11. I think that's the boy he shot.  His name was Rauda Shell, born 1909, but the 1910 census has him as "Randy" and the 1920 Census from ABIS has him as "Renda". I think it was an odd name, and census was hand written, so it get's typed different ways. There was a Renda Shell who was a doctor on the other side of the state. There were rich plantation Shells, and tar-paper shack Shells. He was listed at age 11 on the same line with 15 and 16 year olds.  He was beaten and raped by kids and guards when he was little and became a vicious fighter with little tolerance of bullies. When he was 14, a guard tried to rape him. He hit the guard who fell down the stairs hitting his head and died. My dad was a fugitive. He ran home, and saw his mom laid out in the living room with coins in her eyes. His brother, half sister (who may have actually been his mother) and step dad, helped him stay out of the law's reach. One day, he saw another brutal guard, having a bar-b-Que with his family. My dad went into their yard, told the man's family what an a-hole he was, and proceeded to knock the snot out of him. No family members intervened, so I guess they knew the guy was an a-hole too. Dad and his brother stole to live. This got a posse after them. Half Sister Fannie and Step dad Shep Pierce, lied about his age and enlisted him in the navy. He didn't go back to Alabama for 30 years. The marching bands shown in the photo's would have explained one of my father's answers, when enlisting. When asked, why he wanted to join the Navy, he answered, "to learn music." Another thing about the school, was that it used the younger boys to quarry and mine, because they were small and could fit in tight spaces. </description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-15 00:14:51Z</pubDate>
      <author>McCormick_Nancy</author>
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      <title>Re: Alabama Boys' Industrial School</title>
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      <description>I can tell you that it was a reform school. My dad was born around 1909 and his name was Rauda, though the 1910 census has him as "Randy". As bad as it was, they used to put kids in the adult prison around the turn of the century. The School was considered progressive.  My dad went there when he was 7. He told my mom and me, he shot and killed an 11 year old boy, who was trying to take a quarter away from him. Thru more digging, decades later,  I found he had a brother, Charlie that he never mentioned, who died when he was 11 and my father was 7.His name on the 1920 census, has him as "Renda" Shell, 11 years old, in the Alabama Boys Industrial School.   He was on the same page with 15 and 16 year olds, so they may have grouped them together. There were beatings and sexual assaults between the kids and the kids and guards. My dad got to be a vicious fighter and a champion of anyone, black or white, who was being bullied, though being from Alabama in that era, he did hold some bigotry, but not when it counted. One day, a guard tried to rape him, when he was about 14. He punched and knocked the guard, down the stairs, where the guard hit his head and died. Dad escaped and tried to go home, but he saw his mom (Willie Martha Shell 1910 census nee Martha Elizabeth Bennett, then married Perry Brown, then Shell, then Pierce) laid out in the living room with coins in her eyes. His half sister( who was much older, and may have actually been his mother) and his step father and middle brother, all helped him. He said a posse was after him and his brother "Frank" (Walter Frank Shell) . His half sister Francine (Fannie)Brown and stepfather lied about his age by a year and got him into the Navy. His occupation was listed as "pipe fitter" Anniston Iron Works (still around?) and if you look anywhere in the country, at old sewer or steam pipe, you'll see Anniston Alabama written on it. Anniston was way south of the school, so that may have been a lie too.  The "school" also used the boys, especially the smaller boys, for quarry and mine work, because they could fit in tight spaces. There is an evolved version of the school, still operating. &lt;br&gt;I'm sure there may be archives. I want to take a trip down one day. I also want to get a subscription to The Anniston Star, to see if their archives go back that far, they've been around well over a century.  </description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-14 23:08:09Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Need Research Help in Jefferson County?</title>
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      <description>Linda, I sent you an email. Thanks for your offer!</description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-12 11:55:19Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Need Research Help in Jefferson County?</title>
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      <description>Anyone needing research help with any Jefferson County Family. Please contact me direct at: &lt;a href="mailto://layres@centurylink.net"&gt;layres@centurylink.net&lt;/a&gt; for assistants.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank You&lt;br&gt;Linda S. Ayres</description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-10 16:55:44Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Look-up Request</title>
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      <description>Would someone be able to search for a name in "Death and Marriage Notices From Jefferson County Alabama Newspapers, 1882-1906 by Larry E Carver Jr ? None of my local libraries have this book.&lt;br&gt;The name I am searching for is Lucinda Seago-Graham. The last record I can find is the 1900 census. At that time she was about 75 years old, living with her son Benjamin F Graham in Birmingham.</description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-05 02:34:29Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Spradling</title>
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      <description>I am researching the Spradling family of Wood and Rains Co., TX.  R W married Elizabeth Jane Allred and migrated to TX from Jefferson Co., Alabama around 1850.  Also looking for the descendants of William Spradling and Margaret McCraken of Jefferson Co Al.  They are on the 1840 Alabama Census.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;anita</description>
      <pubDate>2013-04-01 20:01:08Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Fraternal, Greenwood, Foley Cemeteries, Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama</title>
      <link>http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.alabama.counties.jefferson/4373/mb.ashx</link>
      <description>I am correcting the link to the website. It is: &lt;a href="http://www.fraternal-greenwood-foley-cemeterypreservationsociety.org" target="_blank"&gt;www.fraternal-greenwood-foley-cemeterypreservationsociety.or...&lt;/a&gt; Sorry for the previous mistake.</description>
      <pubDate>2013-03-30 16:38:14Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Ala. Genealogical Society Spring Seminar Apr 20 - fee correction</title>
      <link>http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.alabama.counties.jefferson/4372/mb.ashx</link>
      <description>Fee Correction:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Alabama Genealogical Society Spring Seminar will be held on Saturday, April 20, 8:30 a.m. - 3:15 p.m. at Samford University in Birmingham in the Beeson Business Building.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The seminar title is Pathways to the Past: How to Locate Original Records, Onsite and Online. &lt;br&gt;Dorothy W. Potter will speak on "Sources and Research Methods for the Old South". Elizabeth C. Wells will speak on "Online Resources: College/University, Library of Congress and More". Yvonne Crumpler's topic is "Searching NARA's Web Site" and "Documenting/Citing Sources".&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The seminar fee is $40 for non-members and $35 for members.&lt;br&gt;Lunch is "on your own" in the Samford Dining Hall. For additional information please go to &lt;a href="http://www.algensoc.org/main/seminars.html" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.algensoc.org/main/seminars.html&lt;/a&gt; or e-mail Yvonne Crumpler at &lt;a href="mailto://ags-seminar@algensoc.org"&gt;ags-seminar@algensoc.org&lt;/a&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>2013-03-30 15:38:09Z</pubDate>
      <author>Chorton</author>
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      <title>Fraternal Cemetery, Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama</title>
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      <description>There is a new website for this cemetery. I am one of 3 board members that are on the Fraternal-Greenwood-Foley-Preservation-Society.org website. That is also the name of the group that is trying to clean up and restore the cemetery to it's near original state. There have been several tornadoes through there in the past years, and one of them destroyed St. Catherine of Sienna Catholic Church where a lot of the people that lived in Pratt City, and the surrounding areas attended church. You can also go to findagrave.com to check on an ancestor you think may have been buried there. We are trying to make photos of all the markers, and add that person to findagrave which alerts Ancestry.com to anyone added so there will automatically be a link to this. We are also accepting donations for gas to run the equipment, etc. We are in the process of forming a non-profit for this group, and it should be completed by the next cleanup which is scheduled for April 6, 2013, We had to cancel the one scheduled for March 23, 2013 due to bad weather. Feel free to contact me if you have questions. Shirley Butler PS We also have a Facebook page Fraternal Cemetery, but you have to have a family member buried there to ask to belong to the group. Thanks You.</description>
      <pubDate>2013-03-30 15:24:35Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Alabama Genealogical Society Seminar Sat. April 20, Birmingham</title>
      <link>http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.alabama.counties.jefferson/4370/mb.ashx</link>
      <description>The Alabama Genealogical Society Spring Seminar will be held on Saturday, April 20, 8:30 a.m. - 3:15 p.m. at Samford University in Birmingham in the Beeson Business Building.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The seminar title is Pathways to the Past: How to Locate Original Records, Onsite and Online. &lt;br&gt;Dorothy W. Potter will speak on "Sources and Research Methods for the Old South". Elizabeth C. Wells will speak on "Online Resources: College/University, Library of Congress and More". Yvonne Crumpler's topic is "Searching NARA's Web Site" and "Documenting/Citing Sources".&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The seminar fee is $35 for non-members and $30 for members.&lt;br&gt;Lunch is "on your own" in the Samford Dining Hall. For additional information please go to &lt;a href="http://www.algensoc.org/main/seminars.html" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.algensoc.org/main/seminars.html&lt;/a&gt; or e-mail Yvonne Crumpler at &lt;a href="mailto://ags-seminar@algensoc.org"&gt;ags-seminar@algensoc.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>2013-03-28 20:00:54Z</pubDate>
      <author>Chorton</author>
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      <title>Re: Corporal Emile Henckell or Henckel</title>
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      <description>Emiloe Henckell was my uncle who was killed in france in WWI1&lt;br&gt;for more info go to henckell family tree&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Linda</description>
      <pubDate>2013-03-24 21:20:37Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Leonard Jefferson/Texas (Black Man) </title>
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      <description>There's more than one Leonard Jefferson (listed as black or Negro in the census) from Texas. I found one born in 1894 and another in 1897.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;More info is needed....</description>
      <pubDate>2013-03-22 01:55:51Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Leonard Jefferson/Texas (Black Man) </title>
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      <description>What were his wife's and children's names?</description>
      <pubDate>2013-03-22 01:50:42Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Please help me find Ola Savola Perrin Nation Parker, b. 1921</title>
      <link>http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.alabama.counties.jefferson/4368.12/mb.ashx</link>
      <description>I'm wondering if Glenda Perrin is actually Opal's daughter, rather than her sister.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Glenda's grandparents could have adopted her as their daughter.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That would explain why her brother was Jerry Nation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just a thought....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;UPDATE: A tree here at Ancestry.com does have that info. Glenda was Opal's daughter.</description>
      <pubDate>2013-03-22 00:48:17Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Please help me find Ola Savola Perrin Nation Parker, b. 1921</title>
      <link>http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.alabama.counties.jefferson/4368.14/mb.ashx</link>
      <description>Just want to confirm -- Did Mr. Perrin say that his sister married a Parker? or are you getting the info from the possible match that comes up at Ancestry.com?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the latter -- that is just a possibility from matching names, dates and is not a fact...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I just wanted to confirm this, since some folks new to Ancestry don't know this.</description>
      <pubDate>2013-03-22 00:28:42Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Please help me find Ola Savola Perrin Nation Parker, b. 1921</title>
      <link>http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.alabama.counties.jefferson/4368.13/mb.ashx</link>
      <description>Is this Opal in the divorce index? If so, her second husband was James P. Parker (not Walker)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Alabama Divorce Index, 1950-1959 &lt;br&gt;about Opal S Parker &lt;br&gt;Spouse 1: Opal S Parker &lt;br&gt;Gender: Female &lt;br&gt;Spouse 2: James P Parker &lt;br&gt;Gender: Male &lt;br&gt;Divorce Date: Aug 1951 &lt;br&gt;County: Jefferson &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>2013-03-22 00:14:53Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Please help me find Ola Savola Perrin Nation Parker, b. 1921</title>
      <link>http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.alabama.counties.jefferson/4368.10/mb.ashx</link>
      <description>Here's the obituary of another sibling...? Glenda&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;GLENDA ANN PUTMAN, &lt;br&gt;69, Highland Lake, died Aug. 28, 2012, at the residence. After moving to Blount County, Mrs. Putman became very active with Straight Mountain Baptist Church and as a Lady Laker. She worked with husband of 42 years, the late pastor Gene Putman, in the insurance business. Parents Benjamin and Mattie Perrin predeceased her, as did brother Jerry Nation and sister Janie People.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Surviving are daughters Rynthia (Roland) McCoy, Cleveland, and Renee (Mark) Kennedy, Mobile; grandson Tyler Kennedy, Mobile; brother Charles Perrin, Oneonta; sister Thelma Vandetta, Oneonta.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jeff Lybrand, Otis Epps, and Willis McInnis officiated the 11 a.m. service Aug. 31 at Mrs. Putman’s church. Burial was at Mt. Carmel Cemetery with Roland McCoy, Mark Kennedy, Tyler Kennedy, Sammy Perrin, Skip Davis, and Kim Epps serving as pallbearers. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Source: Blount Countian (online)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why isn't Opal mentioned as a sister? and Why is Jerry Nation mentioned as a brother? (should he be her brother-in-law?)</description>
      <pubDate>2013-03-21 21:05:29Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Please help me find Ola Savola Perrin Nation Parker, b. 1921</title>
      <link>http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.alabama.counties.jefferson/4368.11/mb.ashx</link>
      <description>Here's another obit for Glenda Perrin Putman:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.longfamilyfuneralhomes.com/sitemaker/sites/Lemley1/obit.cgi?page=profile&amp;amp;section=info&amp;amp;user_id=699802" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.longfamilyfuneralhomes.com/sitemaker/sites/Lemley...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;also see the guestbook for more info...</description>
      <pubDate>2013-03-21 20:35:39Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Please help me find Ola Savola Perrin Nation Parker, b. 1921</title>
      <link>http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.alabama.counties.jefferson/4368.9/mb.ashx</link>
      <description>Here's her brother-in-law's obit:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.longfamilyfuneralhomes.com/sitemaker/sites/Lemley1/obit.cgi?user=578709VanDettaJr" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.longfamilyfuneralhomes.com/sitemaker/sites/Lemley...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I can't tell if Thelma was still living last year? The "70 years" of marriage implies she was, but she's not listed as a survivor...</description>
      <pubDate>2013-03-21 19:00:48Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Please help me find Ola Savola Perrin Nation Parker, b. 1921</title>
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      <description>Yes, Opal Savola Perrin is/was her name.  I believe the in the initial posting, the name was typed in incorrectly.</description>
      <pubDate>2013-03-21 17:52:22Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Please help me find Ola Savola Perrin Nation Parker, b. 1921</title>
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      <description>Thanks for posting this link.  I had looked everywhere for them and not found them in 1930!  :)</description>
      <pubDate>2013-03-21 17:50:32Z</pubDate>
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