Hi!, John Fromer is my paternal grandfather's (Ora E. Newman)maternal grandfather. I know true genealogists can express this better. John Fromer married Nancy Updike, their daughter Anna married James Harrison Newman who was a saloonist. My Grandfather had to clean up after the customers in his youth. He became quite religious as a result of this early experience. James H. Newman and Anna had a bunch of kids and can be found on the census. They lived in Napoleon,IN. My grandfather Ora is listed as Dra due to a transcriber's error. His brothers Albert and Harry had a wholesale grocery business in Indianapolis. We visited his sister Alice in Terre Haute one time. There were a lot more kids.