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Images of Plymouth Colony Records at FamilySearch.org

Dale_H_Cook — 2013-06-01 12:36:53Z

Some of the most valuable resources for researchers of early Barnstable County families are now available at FamilySearch.org - page images of the Plymouth Colony records of probates and deeds.

The original Plymouth Colony records were, in 1818, separated, repaired, and rebound as 23 volumes (plus two index volumes). Among the records of most interest to researchers are the four volumes of probate records (long referred to as "Old Colony Wills") and the six volumes of land records (long referred to as "Old Colony Deeds").

The probate records, in one set of images, are at:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-31878-2594-10?...

The land records are in three sets of images, volume 1 (1624-1651) at:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-36174-9033-56?...

Volumes 2-4 (1651-1681) at:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-36172-1664-6?c...

And volumes 5-6 (1681-1699) at:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-36174-7788-90?...

Parts of those records have been transcribed or abstracted and published, but the page images are the only complete versions of those volumes available online.

Seventeenth-century writing can be difficult to read for those of us in the twenty-first century. I would suggest that newcomers to seventeenth-century hands should arm themselves with a good guide to colonial handwriting, and practice reading the page images side-by-side with quality published transcriptions such as those by George Ernest Bowman in Mayflower Descendant, in order to gain proficiency in accurately reading those images.

I have compiled a guide to the four volumes of probate records, which serves as an index to the page images of those records and includes references to published transcriptions and abstracts of those records. Also included are references to published probate records not found in the page images. One example is the 1621 will of William Mullins, which is not found in the Colony records, but which survives in the records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, now in the National Archives in London. Transcriptions of that will have been published in at least three places, as cited in my guide, which also includes citations to transcriptions and abstracts of other probate records not found in the Colony records.

The guide (as well as my earlier index to the published volumes of Colony records) is available at:

http://plymouthcolony.net/resources/pcr.html

I am currently working on a similar guide to the Colony land records.

Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants;
Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project
Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net

Re: William Hunter & Rebecca Bearse (or Besse)

infotoread — 2013-05-24 00:07:16Z

I just read through this line with interest. I am unclear.
The was a mention of the Bumpass(sp)line connecting into it. I have info of a John Bompasse marrying a Sarah Hunter - dau of William Hunter and Rebecca Besse. I am just beinning work on this line and I lost, Thanks, Charli

Re: William Hunter & Rebecca Bearse (or Besse)

Dale_H_Cook — 2013-05-23 15:29:16Z

Are these are the John and Sarah Bumpas whose first child, Mary, was baptized 20-Aug-1671 in Scituate, and who moved to Rochester by the mid-1680s? If so, I have seen no evidence to demonstrate her surname. Torrey did not show even her given name, but that is established by John's will [Plymouth Co. Probate case files, Docket #3273, 1715] which names "my loving wife that now is Sarah Bumpus."

Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants;
Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project
Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net

Re: William Hunter & Rebecca Bearse (or Besse)

infotoread — 2013-05-23 13:41:50Z

Re: Newspaper would have a birth notice or Death notice

dmcti01 — 2013-05-16 13:54:23Z

I did not see anything in newspaper collections but that's not unusual given the period. Not sure what specific info you are looking for. Mass VRs, 1841-1910, Vol.185:Pg.122 shows he died of "Marasmus" which, according Old Disease Names by Sylvain Cazalet, is progressive wasting of the body, like malnutrition. Record also lists Residence and place of death as simply "Saratoga."

Newspaper would have a birth notice or Death notice

CSchafer513 — 2013-05-15 16:41:19Z

Hello,
I'm trying to find more about this little boy born to my gggm. I'm hoping a Boston Newspaper would have a birth notice or Death notice.

Baby Born:
John Edward McLaughlin b. Feb. 28, 1864 Boston

Died:
Sept. 16 1865 MA

Parents:
John McLaughlin
Elizabeth Scranton

Any help would be great as the Church can't find anything.

Thank you!
Cathie

ebenezer p nickerson

richard_vanwagenen — 2013-05-12 18:49:49Z

am wondering if there is a obit for ebenezer who passed away 2 may 1890 in brewster

bethiah pain

richard_vanwagenen — 2013-05-12 18:42:37Z

am trying to find out Bethiah's parents. Bethiah was born ca 1784-1788 in harwich and she was my ggg grandfather Freeman Nickerson's first wife. they married 1808 in Harwich.

Re: Samuel Pain and Mary Swett

richard_vanwagenen — 2013-05-12 18:39:37Z

foxbor from 1780 to 1800

Re: Samuel Pain and Mary Swett

Dale_H_Cook — 2013-05-12 13:32:15Z

When and in which town?

Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants;
Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project
Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net

Samuel Pain and Mary Swett

richard_vanwagenen — 2013-05-12 05:09:05Z

am interested in knowing if anybody has information on Samuel and Mary and their children.

Re: Bethia/Bethiah Paine/Pain

noyesk — 2013-05-11 23:49:51Z

This is what I found a American Ancestore for TRuro vitals
there were 977 vitals for the name Paine.
May 2, 1773 Baptism TRuro
Bethia Atkins dau.of Josuah Paine
This does not give a birth date. I searched for birth's in 1788 but did not find a Bethia. There were some Bette's but could not find a connection. Maybe you could ask the person who has the tree where they found the birthdate.
Tina

Bethia/Bethiah Paine/Pain

richard_vanwagenen — 2013-05-11 20:02:54Z

Am trying to find who her parents were Bethia/Bethiah was born ca 1788 in Truro, according to family trees.

Re: Obit lookup Amanda Jenkins

mmbutts1 — 2013-05-11 14:49:00Z

Husband died Nov 17, 1904 buried in Mount Pleasant

For records contact: Mount Pleasant Cemetery, 90 Forest St., Harwich Port, MA; 508-430-7531.

Ask is she is buried with him and for date of death.

Margaret

Obit lookup Amanda Jenkins

richard_vanwagenen — 2013-05-10 17:06:01Z

am searching for a obit for my cousin Amanda Jenkins, who was last shown on the 1910 census while living in Harwich. Amanda was born 1834/1835.

Re: Can't figure out these locations!

hi_pam — 2013-04-01 23:32:38Z

I did some research on a Provincetown native recently and was curious about "Pico" -- indeed, these are Azorian places -- find a map and you will see them all!

Re: Can't figure out these locations!

spricker — 2013-04-01 23:06:40Z

The W.I. could be either the West Indies or the Western Islands. The Western Islands were what is today known as the Azores, owned by Portugal. Many people who imigrated to the Provincetown area were from the Azores and I believe I have seen many of those town names on the map. Check out the Azores for the names.
Sara
Sorry for the possible cross post -- I posted this to the mailing list but then realized you might not get my answer there --

Can't figure out these locations!

suzaq1954 — 2013-04-01 20:24:06Z

Hi,

I was looking through FamilySearch.org's version of the Massacusetts vital town records, and came across these Provincetown entries. My problem is under the parent origin's I see multiple entries for these places I can't seem to figure out. The towns/provinces/cities are entitled 'Pico', 'St Michaels', 'St Mary's', 'St Georges', etc.., and the state or country is something like 'W.I.' or 'W.J.' or 'N.I.' or 'N.J.' or something else! What state/country is this????

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11082-191154-13...

EDITED:

I think these are connected to the Azores! Still don't understand the 'W.I.'. Must be ____Island I guess.

Old Henry Cobb

Win1234 — 2013-03-10 16:21:55Z

I need a copy of Henry Cobb's will. Am working on joining the Colonial Dames through this line.
Have a review of the will, however I am not sure if that would be sufficient. Am more than glad to hire a researcher that could get legal copies of several documents.
References are PCR with different numbers, however I have not seen the copy of the real thing.
My line is through Samuel, the son of Henry and his second wife Sarah Hinckley

Re: John B. Finney (1610-1702)

flowerbanker — 2013-03-06 22:54:35Z

Ah, I see. Thank you for the information.

Re: Cora Nickerson of Harwich or Brewster

marshbyrd — 2013-03-05 14:47:05Z

Thank you! My husband & his family visited Cora when he was a child. He remembered her running up & down the stairs to show them how agile she was. I think my father-in-law, as a child, also stayed there with his father.

Re: Cora Nickerson of Harwich or Brewster

pmgavin52 — 2013-03-04 23:29:38Z

Cora Nickerson - Born 1857 . Died 1959
Wife of: Edgar Nickerson Born 1856.. Died 1927
I do not believe they had children.
Buried: Evergreen Cemetery, East Harwich, Ma

Cora live on Cora Nickerson Road (now 10 Cora Nickerson road) (Long Pond)in East Harwich until her death at 102.

Her house was demolished in the early sixties, but replicated with a large addition attached.

My grandfather,John Gavin bought a lot directly next to Cora, from Cora, in the late 1930's, early 1940's. (Now 6 Nickerson Road)which we called the "Camp".

As kids, we would run chores for Cora and visit with her.
She had no electricity, running water (manual pump), still used an outhouse, no phone. Her communication was a large bell out on her porch. If she rang the bell, one of us kids would run down the hill to see what Cora wanted.

She was still fiesty up to at least 101, a little hard of hearing, but memory was still in tact.

Cora allowed us to use her side of the beach on Long Pond which my family will always be greatful. It was a gathering place for all my aunts and uncles and countless cousins and friends. If long Pond could talk, it would have great stories of the Gavin/Cassidy/Tracey families from the 1930's to the early 1970's.

Peaceful Rest Cora & Edgar..You are remembered.

Paul Gavin
Grandson of John Gavin
Provincetown, Ma

Re: John B. Finney (1610-1702)

Dale_H_Cook — 2013-03-04 21:28:55Z

It is not a book. it is an article in the New England Historical and Genealogical Register. A major library near you likely has it.

Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants;
Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project
Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net

Re: John B. Finney (1610-1702)

flowerbanker — 2013-03-04 21:05:21Z

Hi Dale,
I am also interested in the Stott book: "The Finney Family of Lenton, Nottinghamshire and Plymouth, Massachusetts" (NEHGR, 148:315-327). May I request a copy as well? Or, would you recommend how I can get one?

Thank you,
Regan

Re: Bearse-Hyanno-Cornwell relationship

Relatively_Speaking_CA — 2013-02-19 21:52:00Z

All Indian and Gypsy heritage is a fabrication of Franklyn Bearce, a fraud. Not even Augustine's wife's first name is known.

Re: 2003 obit from South Dennis

CBlaisdell8854 — 2013-02-15 15:14:21Z

From the Cape Cod Times (Hyannis, MA) Thursday May 1, 2003:

Robert Garramone 71, died Monday at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston after a long illness.

Born, raised and educated in New Rochelle, NY he graduated from New Rochelle High School.

He served in the Navy during the Korean War and was honorably discharged in 1955. He married the following year.

Mr. Garramone worked for 36 years for the New Rochelle Board of Education. He retired in 1993 as plant supervisor and moved to South Dennis.

A member of NRA, North American Hunting Club and Retired Men's Club of Cape Cod, he enjoyed hunting, sailing and spending time with his family and friends.

Survivors include his wife, Gertrude "Trudy" (Dos Reis) Garramone, two daughters, Kathy Nardi of Yarmouthport and Lisa Gregory of New Milford, NJ, four grandchildren; several nieces and nephews.

Visitation is 2 to 4 and 7 to 9 pm today in Hallett Funeral Home, 273 Station Avenue, South Yarmouth. Servuces begub at 9am tomorrow in the funeral home, followed by a funeral mass at 10am in St. Pius X church, Station Avenue, South Yarmouth. Burial will follow in Woodside Cemetery, Summer Street, Yarmouthport.

Memorial donations may be made to Leukemia & Lymphoma Society, 495 Old Connecticut Path, Framingham, MA 01701.

2003 obit from South Dennis

oldohioschools — 2013-02-15 03:49:21Z

I am looking for the obituary of Robert N. Garramone who died 29 Apr 2003 in S. Dennis, Ma.
Thank you.

Re: Obituary for Wesley Smith Suthergreen

noyesk — 2012-12-20 21:21:04Z

I could not find an obit most people in that era only had a ceath notice but there were exceptions.
marriage Nov. 15, 1899
Harry L. Tallman 24 1st marriage mason b. CAmbridge parents Joseph and Ellen Howland
Myrtle Suthergreen 23 1st marriage clerk b. Advocate Harbor N.S. parents Wesley and Euphemia Hutchins
James R. Goodspeed, Clergyman.Osterville

marriage Sept. 14, 1904

Horace Sudder Parker 35 1dt marriage b. Osterville merchant parents Wm.B. Parker and Sophia B.Boucher
Lilian Eva Suthergreen 24 1st marriage at home b.St. John's
parents Wesley and Euphemia Hutchins
C.A. Bradley, Clergy man, Osterville

The pg was damaged so the ages could be off it was the last no. that was un clear and also Sophia's last name the 1st letter was not clear.
Tina

Obituary for Wesley Smith Suthergreen

BruceClarke3380 — 2012-12-20 18:14:05Z

Looking for an obit to get more family info for a
Wesley Smith Suthergreen,,born about 1844 and died about Feb 1881. Buried at Osterville cemetery in Barnstable, Mass.
His wife's name was Effie or Euphemia S (nee Hutchings).

My info is vague but any assistance very much appreciated.

Thanks,
Bruce

Re: Phinney - Thomas, Barnstable/Sandwich - Nova Scotia

dkenfield1 — 2012-11-30 23:07:34Z

Helpful reply.

I also saw the Barnstable Probate page -- obviously focused on current events, not historical research. I have the NEHGS people working on something else for me -- you're right, they are a tad expensive, but good.

Somehow I never thought of the Mass Archives. Doh. They've been helpful in the past - checking with them.

Most helpful of all -- I didn't know about the LDS copying service. Great idea. What's more -- when I checked their catalog earlier, I didn't find those Barnstable items. In retrospect, I must have been looking at the town rather than the county. Grrr.

Many thanks.

Dexter

Re: Phinney - Thomas, Barnstable/Sandwich - Nova Scotia

amich2 — 2012-11-30 22:08:48Z

It helps that you have the vol. & page nos.

I would try the copy services at FamilySearch https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Photoduplication_Serv...

The microfilm info is here: https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/show?uri=http%3A%2F%... (looks like it's #904610).

Other possibilities:

NEHGS would also be able to give you a copy, but I think it would cost more http://www.americanancestors.org/research-services/#PHOTOCOP...

I'm not sure if the State Archives has Barnstable County Probate records http://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcgen/genidx.htm#probate

If they're not there, then the should still be w/the probate court, although I'm not finding info on how to obtain copies http://barnstablecountypfc.com/Table%20of%20Contents.htm

Re: Phinney - Thomas, Barnstable/Sandwich - Nova Scotia

dkenfield1 — 2012-11-30 15:31:36Z

I now have a specific reference to a document that ties the Nova Scotia Phinneys back to Barnstable.

There reportedly is an "Heirs Agreement" dated 17 July 1784 involving "Isaac Phinney of Granville in the ... province of Nova Scotia, the only surviving son of Thomas Phinney, late of Barnstable ..." The citation I have is Barnstable Probate, vol. 23, p. 443.

This presumably is in the probate file of Thomas, who died 10 June 1784, will dated 24 April 1780, proved 19 July 1784.

What's the easiest/quickest/cheapest/best (recognizing those are not always the same) way to get an actual copy of the Heirs Agreement? I'm in Arizona.

Dexter

Re: Obit needed for Mary Chisholm died 2002 in Marstons Mills

BarbaraODonahue — 2012-11-23 19:51:26Z

THANKS

Re: Obit needed for Mary Chisholm died 2002 in Marstons Mills

Irish719 — 2012-11-23 19:08:24Z

Sent it to email ancestry had for you onfile - let me know if you don't get it.

Happy holidays!

Obit needed for Mary Chisholm died 2002 in Marstons Mills

BarbaraODonahue — 2012-11-23 08:27:42Z

Could anyone find an obit for Mary Chisholm who died 12 Feb 2002 in Marstons Mills, MA.

Help appreciated

http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/16729682/person/19430812120?m...

Re: Alice Martin Clark Bishop (1612-1648)

nancyskyfancy — 2012-11-23 05:08:12Z

That link to the sutton family is no longer good. I am also a descendant of hers through Christopher Martin and one of his wives. He apparently had three wives but I am frustrated that the Mayflower Society doesn't recognize us as descendants.

Re: Phinney - Thomas, Barnstable/Sandwich - Nova Scotia

dkenfield1 — 2012-10-26 03:36:25Z

You're right that, as I understand it, she's not essential. It's the Phinney side -- Isaac is the fifth generation from Mayflower passenger Thomas Rogers. So the Society project ends with his birth (unless someone else has brought it further - that inquiry is pending with them, but I'm not optimistic).

The big problem is that Isaac and Anna moved to Nova Scotia, so I'm working on that now. There's a secondary source on the Phinneys that brings them down to the couple who returned to Boston c. 1882 (I've got almost everything from there down to my wife), and which is cited in the Five Generations book, but which I assume is not alone sufficient.

A work in progress, as they say.

Dexter

Re: Phinney - Thomas, Barnstable/Sandwich - Nova Scotia

amich2 — 2012-10-26 02:56:25Z

I have quite a few people in my own tree who bounced around from state to state in New England back then.

My assumption when you said you were looking into Mayflower ancestry was that you were working to apply to the Society (& you've since confirmed that). I suspect you'd not have enough right now to prove that the Hannah Thomas birth record in Windham was for Isaac Phinney's wife, by the Society's standards.

Her ancestry may be irrevelant to the application, but if you do need to prove she is the same person, the one thing I can think of to suggest is to try & track down wills or probate records for the parents. They should list all living children, & would usual include a daughter's married name.

Re: Phinney - Thomas, Barnstable/Sandwich - Nova Scotia

dkenfield1 — 2012-10-26 00:14:07Z

I think families in those times got around a whole lot more than we give them credit for. And it may well be there's a connection to Ebenezer/Richard.

Dexter

Re: Phinney - Thomas, Barnstable/Sandwich - Nova Scotia

dkenfield1 — 2012-10-26 00:14:01Z

Thanks for the offer, but as you've probably seen by now, another helpful poster provided it.

I've long considered joining the NEHGS, but haven't yet. I did, however, recently hire them to do some research on another problem, identifying a guy with the most uncommon name of "John Brown." If that comes out one way, my wife gains three additional Mayflower ancestors. But I don't think that's going to happen. She'll have to settle for one, which is one more that I have. The work I'm doing on the Phinneys is to support her application to the Society.

Separately: I do have the Barbour info for Windham. Hannah, Anne and Anna all show for her in different places -- that's no difference at all, compared to a lot I see.

Dexter

Re: Phinney - Thomas, Barnstable/Sandwich - Nova Scotia

Dale_H_Cook — 2012-10-26 00:07:38Z

> It says Anna was born in Windham, CT on 1 July 1744 to David &
> Mary (Johnson) Thomas

Note that the transcriptions of the Windham VRs published in the Barbour Collection show her as Hannah, not Anna. That is not a major problem, and the Windham records in Barbour do not show any later record for her.

Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants;
Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project
Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net

Re: Phinney - Thomas, Barnstable/Sandwich - Nova Scotia

amich2 — 2012-10-25 23:51:03Z

I have access to the Sandwich vital records online through my membership with NEHGS. I've attached the page (vol. 1, p. 208) from Sandwich which includes the marriage.

As you said you wanted citations, the publishing info about the book is at http://books.google.com/books?id=hXolAQAAMAAJ&dq=vital+r...

The following is all records w/the surname Thomas in the 1700s:

Ebenezer Thomas the Son of Richard Thomas and of Hannah Thomas his wife was born the 26th Day of october Anno Domini: 1712

June ye 8th 1760 Ebenezer Thomas & Susanna Barlow both of of Sandwich were married by Mr Wms minister att Sandwich

Isaac Phinney of Barnstable & Anne Thomas of Sandwich were married by Mr Wms on Aprill ye 12th 1763

Hannah Thomas [baptized] Apr 8 1766 Ebenezer & Susanna

Freeman Thomas [baptized] Mar 31 1768 Ebenezer & Susanna

Friday, 12 September, 1777, Jos Thomass Wife Died last monday night of the Consumtion

Wednesday, 17 June, 1778, Lot Thomas a Lad Shot 2 of Joseph Blishs Children yesterday one of which Died instantly

Sept 9 1790 London Thomas to Bethiah Volentine negroes both of Sandwich [Married by J. Burr - entered upon record the 14. day of May 1791 per me Abraham Williams Town Clerk]

28 Augst 1790 London Thomas & Bethiah Volintine both of Sandwich entered to be published [marriage intention]

Dr Thomas Jr [died] July 8 [age] 36 [1791]

Re: Phinney - Thomas, Barnstable/Sandwich - Nova Scotia

amich2 — 2012-10-25 23:47:50Z

I did a bit more digging, a found an article in the New England Historical and Genealogical Register entitled "William Inglis Morse" by Arthur Adams. It says Anna was born in Windham, CT on 1 July 1744 to David & Mary (Johnson) Thomas (vol. 106, p. 243).

Same conclusion you had. Of course, still doesn't explain how Anna would've ended up in Sandwich.

Re: Phinney - Thomas, Barnstable/Sandwich - Nova Scotia

Dale_H_Cook — 2012-10-25 23:32:05Z

> it looks like the full Sandwich vitals are not readily available on-line

The Sandwich VRs through 1885 were published by NEHGS in 1996, and are online only for NEHGS members. I own a copy but am late coming into the discussion - is there anything in the published Sandwich VRs that I can look up for you? They include intentions 1783-1866, as well as church, Friends', gravestone and newspaper records.

Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants;
Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project
Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net

Re: Phinney - Thomas, Barnstable/Sandwich - Nova Scotia

dkenfield1 — 2012-10-25 22:26:56Z

EXTREMELY helpful!!

The lack of other Thomas entries makes it even more likely I'm right -- "my" Anne/Hannah Thomas moved there from CT.

I'll do some looking around to see if the Ebenezers and Richard are related to David and Anna. Wouldn't be surprised if David is a son of Richard. But that's low priority at this point.

Thanks again.

Dexter

Re: Phinney - Thomas, Barnstable/Sandwich - Nova Scotia

dkenfield1 — 2012-10-25 21:15:26Z

Helpful indeed.

My main concern is whether it's reasonable to read the intentions as indicating where she lived once (probably originally), rather than where she lived at the time of the intentions. Your response is encouraging on that point.

The strongest evidence that this is correct is the absence of conflicting evidence -- there is inconclusive support in Barnstable, Sandwich and Windham CT records for this theory, but more important, I can't find any other people who fit, making it much more likely. Unfortunately, it looks like the full Sandwich vitals are not readily available on-line -- what is available to me didn't turn up any other candidates.

Still, since we know that the available records are incomplete, the absence of conflicting evidence doesn't prove I'm right, only that I may have the most likely solution.

Thanks.

Dexter

Re: Phinney - Thomas, Barnstable/Sandwich - Nova Scotia

amich2 — 2012-10-25 20:44:48Z

When marriage intentions are filed in a town, that doesn't mean the couple got married in that town. It just indicates that either the bride or groom lived in that town, & was planning to get married. So, the intentions were filed in Barnstable, & the couple then married in Sandwich. Same couple. These are neighboring towns.

In both cases, the records were from the town vital records (these vital records were printed in books, if you need copies of the records, let me know).

You should only infer Anna/Anne lived in Windham at some point, you can't know for sure that she was born there (although she may have been). Also, you said this was Isaac's 2nd marriage. Do you know for sure that this wasn't her 2nd as well? Marriage records from that era didn't always indicate when the bride was married before. I would keep in mind that Thomas may not be Anne's maiden name (unless you have some other evidence of that).

Always possible Dave & Mary Thomas may have moved to Sandwich. With a quick check though, I don't see their names associated with the town.

Sorry, I probably wasn't much help.

Phinney - Thomas, Barnstable/Sandwich - Nova Scotia

dkenfield1 — 2012-10-25 00:07:24Z

I'm working to tie a Nova Scotia line to Mayflower passenger Thomas Rogers. It's shown in a secondary source, "Finney-Phinney Families in America," but I'm trying to fill gaps and document it.

Barnstable marriage intentions, 12 March 1763: "Isaac Phinney and Anna Thomas of Windham." I haven't found an actual marriage there, although I don't have the original source. (Ancestry does, but didn't show a marriage.)

Sandwich has "Isaac Phinney of Barnstable and Anne Thomas of Sandwich were married by Mr. [Abraham] Williams on April the 12th 1763." Are these the same people? Looks like they could well be.

Windham, CT has a Dave - Mary Thomas family with children 1740-1746, including Hannah in 1744. (She's ten years younger than Isaac, but would be his second wife, and that's not an issue.) Then they perhaps moved to Tolland, CT and had Lydia in 1756. Did they then move to Sandwich?

This would imply that "of Windham" in the intentions refers to birthplace, but not current residence. Does that seem right? I can imagine her being asked in Barnstable, "Where are you from?" and saying "Windham," just like I sometimes say, "I'm from Vermont" even though I haven't lived there for 35 years.

I haven't found any other plausible Isaac Phinney (there was one in nearby Harwich, but I think he can be ruled out) or Anna Thomas.

The family moved to Granville, Nova Scotia, and some sources say they were married there. I'll be checking those records before long, but it seems doubtful.

Would appreciate any comments/suggestions/corrections/citations.

Dexter Kenfield
Tucson, Arizona

Re: Giles Hopkin's wife Katherine and her sister Ruth

Dale_H_Cook — 2012-10-10 20:27:59Z

> If my searches are correct, Katherine Whelden was the sister
> of my Ruth.

She was - see Jan Porter and Daniel F. Stramara, Jr., "The Origin of Gabriel1 Whelden of Yarmouth and Malden, Massachusetts" (NEHGR, 163:253-261).

For the Taylor families of Yarmouth see Jillaine S. Smith, "The Two Richard Taylor Families of Early Yarmouth, Massachusetts" (NEHGR, 165:187-199 [Correction 297], 280-286).

Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants;
Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project
Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net

Giles Hopkin's wife Katherine and her sister Ruth

Win1234 — 2012-10-10 19:04:04Z

If my searches are correct, Katherine Whelden was the sister of my Ruth. If Katherine was the wife of Giles Hopkins and came on the Mayflower wouldn't there be some information on Katherine's Family? I have the father(Gabriel) signing a paper saying Ruth could marry Richard Taylor in court 27 Oct. 1646.
I tried searching for Giles in the hope of a definite relationship of the parents of Katherine and Ruth.
Know Richard Taylor was Senior.