i have found a lot of info since i posted on here several months ago, including birth and death info for both persons. thank you for your help however. recently, a hyde county resident found their grave sites and gave me that info. the most interesting thing on your reply is the 1880 info, i have not found john's parents but had a guess of nicholas and magdalena, i will look into it.

there is a relative named jessica lippe who is researching this line also and i have given her info already.