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Re: Birthplace in Ireland

PaSain — 2012-12-02 20:17:17Z

This is the wrong board unless Margaret Carson Hastings moved to this county.

name: James Hastings
event: Marriage
event date: 10 Oct 1883
event place: Hamilton, Wentworth, Ontario, Canada
age: 25
estimated birth year: 1858
father: James Hastings
mother: Annie Hastings
spouse: Margaret Carson
spouse's age: 20
spouse's estimated birth year: 1863
spouse's father: James Carson
spouse's mother: Margaret Carson
registration number: 013734
film number: 1869764
digital folder number: 004529140
image number: 00594
Citing this Record
"Ontario Marriages, 1869-1927," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org

name: Margaret Hasting
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
event place: G, Hamilton (city/cité), Ontario, Canada
gender: Female
age:
marital status: Married
racial or tribal origin: Irish
nationality: Canadian
religion: Church Of England
relationship to head: Wife
birthplace: Ontario
estimated birth year: 1863
page: 1
household number: 13
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head James Hasting M 42 Ontario
wife Margaret Hasting F 38 Ontario
daughter Lily M Hasting F 17 Ontario
son William J Hasting M 10 Ontario
cousin Jessie B Hasting F 32 USA

1881 Ward # 1, Hamilton City, Ontario, Canada
Margaret Carson F 48y Ireland religion Meth. Church Canada, grocer
James Carson M 50y Ontario
James Carson M 19y Ontario
Margaret Carson F 18y Ontario
Elizabeth Carson F 11y Ontario

I'm not seeing the 1911 record.

Birthplace in Ireland

conniesmith149 — 2012-12-02 19:23:11Z

Hello,
I am searching for the birthplace of my great-great grandmother Margaret Carson, born in Ireland in 1834, arrived in Hamilton (Wentworth County)Ontario Canada mid to late 1800's or early 1900's. She is listed in Hamilton's 1911 Census with 2 daughters, Elizabeth and Margaret, married to James Hastings.
Thank you for any assistance.

Re: WWII Newspaper Clippings

Basenji67 — 2012-11-30 04:28:36Z

I have quite a few pictures and info on Clifford Bednorz. He is my uncle. Please contact me at Basenji67@aol.com or Basenji67@tx.rr.com

Re: WWII Newspaper Clippings

juliebednorz — 2012-11-29 08:34:26Z

just now strated tracing my husbands lineage, and came across this. his grandfather was clifford bednorz. i know its been a long time, but would love this if you still have it.

Re: Ed and Malinda Lingo

bkt1974 — 2012-03-30 20:05:28Z

George Edward Lingo and Malinda Jackson James are Buried IN the Groom Cemetery, Groom Carson Co. Tx.Brenda

Re: Willie Edward Malone

HL2604 — 2011-09-10 15:26:24Z

Good luck finding unimpeachable proof of Charles B. Malone's heritage! Your uncle witnessed his father's death certificate and did not know his parents. Did you post in Carson County because of possible clues to their heritage?

Willie Edward Malone

mwpittman — 2011-09-10 04:42:52Z

My father, Willie E. Malone was born May 10, 1913 in Texas and I think his father's name was Charles (Charlie) Benton Malone. I am looking for Willie's parents and grandparents. I think there are some relatives named Cockerhams. I know that someone in Texas was working on a Family Tree, but I understand she died before she finished. I have not heard from anyone in the last few years regarding that tree.

Gentrys in Carson/ Gray County

Wendell_Gentry — 2011-08-30 02:42:47Z

Howdy,

I realize this is a longshot but I am seeking any information on my Grandfather's time living in the Pampa and Panhandle areas. His name is Burton Owen Gentry (1890-1976). I know he built fences north of Pampa around 1917 (WWI draft card) and through old photos and census' he farmed in the area. Two of my uncles graduated from Panhandle High School in '39. My Father was born in Amarillo in 1931 and remembers living at an old place known as the " Boker Place", and later moving into Panhandle. Unfortunately he doesn't remember exact locations having left the area in 1943. I will be traveling with him and had hoped to suprise him by taking him back to the Panhandle. Thanks,

Wendell

Re: Cemetery Lookup

richlowe46 — 2011-08-22 12:35:24Z

Are you related to America Johnson? Can you tell me her maiden name?

My connection is through her husband Joseph Calvin Johnson who was of my mother's paternal Johnson line.

See http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=64...

Which also provides links to her husband and from her husband to his father, etc.

I would love to exchange info with you on this family.

Rich

Re: 1951 White Deer, TX Tornado

Basenji67 — 2011-07-06 04:52:49Z

At the time of the tornado we lived on a farm just a few miles northeast of White Deer. We later moved to some of the new houses on Horn Street that were built after the tornado and we also went to the Keahey's cellar. Small world.

Re: 1951 White Deer, TX Tornado

renaeporter1 — 2011-07-06 03:50:33Z

I remember the '51 tornado. We lived east of White Deer and I remember watching it from my bedroom window. My mother finally talked Daddy into going to the Keahey's to their cellar. I still have some pictures of the grade school.

Re: Seeking Tombstone Info

lwilson181 — 2011-06-14 16:31:57Z

Thanks. I did locate some on Find A Grave, but most do not have photos.

Re: Seeking Tombstone Info

thomasker2 — 2011-06-14 15:07:32Z

TRY - Find a grave – free volunteer site all states; frequently has headstone pic
http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/

Seeking Tombstone Info

lwilson181 — 2011-06-14 01:15:11Z

My genealogy research has led me to Carson County. A distant ancestor is buried there. Sarah A. Dickson was last known to live in Panhandle in 1930. Her husband John Dickson was last shown in the 1920 census. They had a son named Lonnie and a daughter named Maude who may have married a Kelley.

I am seeking tombstone inscriptions. I do not know the name of a cemetery where they might be buried.

Re: 1951 White Deer, TX Tornado

johnnya11 — 2011-05-24 21:42:23Z

I would also be interested in photo's. We lived there in '51 and our house was completely destroyed by the tornado. My mother had a set of silverware that was scattered all over the surrounding country side. She and Daddy put ad's in the paper and EVERY piece of silverware was finaly recovered. Pieces were sent from miles away.

I was only 5 years old but remember my family (Dad, Mom, Brother and me) sitting at the table when Mother said we should take a drive and look at the clouds. My older brother wanted to stay there and finish his piece of pie but Mother wouldn't let him. As we were backing out of the driveway the twister touched down and headed straight for us. Daddy drove away on the road and we could see it swirling and picking up debris as it chased us. Years later, Daddy told us he had the car floor boarded and we were only going about 30 MPH.

When we came back after it passed we found our house gone, but the one next door to us didn't even have a broken window.

Re: Looking for my Wilkerson relatives

lenacruz70 — 2011-03-30 22:25:02Z

Regina Cruz Wilkerson daughter of Arther Wilkerson and Sherry Vannatta

Regina is my mother.
She has 3 daughters
Leah Cruz (18)
Lena Cruz (17)me
Joeann Cruz (14)

Woody Wilson

star1359 — 2010-03-24 22:19:09Z

Yes that is what I was looking for only on Woody Wison his son was George W. Wilson B. mar 22,1792 in Mississippi.George was married to Sally Parsons.
Thank-you
Star

Re: Jesse Samuel Martin and Nancy Elizabeth 1930 census

j_yellott — 2010-03-13 13:38:56Z

Hey there I believe I saw your family on Ancestry I have been in touch with Barb and Sharon of Montana.My grgrandfather Franklin H Rowe was the elder brother of (Jesse Cicero Martin s/o William Hogan Martin b.Ga and Mary Ann Garvin)second wife Martha Jane Rowe d/o(Eliel Rowe and Martha Ann America White)Jesse and Martha married 1880 in Nacogdoches Co.The Neels were neighbors of the Rowe family and a Rowe daughter Minerva also married Thomas Neel but died in childbirth.Jesse I believe was married first to Mary Elizabeth Neel 1871 a d/o Daniel Neel They went back to Decater Ms and according to the Neel family had a daughter I believe that Sarah Matilda Martin was their daughter someone in the Nunally family has her brothers named as Henry,Samuel and Jesse and James so that seems to point to that conclusion.In the 1900 Fisher Co census Jesse and Martha are listed as having children Henry Eliel,Jesse Samuel,Early,James Monroe,Ida J.,and Arthur.I have found the three death certificates for Henry and James on Family Search and for Jesse on Footnote.I don't know what happened to Ida and Arthur. I heard that Sharon had some pics of these boys and have asked to see them as they would be my grfather Joseph Taylor Rowe's cousins have not heard as to the origins of those pics but if they came from the Nunally family that should point to Sarah as having been the daughter of Jesse Cicero and Mary Neel as that is the only first wife Jesse had I think that Sarah Matilda was born in 1872 why she was not listed with the Neel family and Jesse in the 1880 census for Nacogdoches Co I don't know.I am having the same problem as two of the Rowe daughters died after childbirth Mary and Minerva one of them left a living child as I found a Mary Ragsdale as a heir when I did research at the courthouse in Nacogdoches but no child found on the 1880 census, the younger Eliel Rowe Jr. bought their shares and Martha and Jesse were in Adobe Walls in 1901.I think the William H. Martin family is well documented my email is jryellott@centurytel.net if you need to contact me JoAnn

Re: Jesse Samuel Martin and Nancy Elizabeth 1930 census

hamroots — 2010-03-11 07:37:49Z

Jesse Samuel Martin was born 15 Sep 1882 in Texas. He died 10 Apr 1917 at Pampa, Gray County, Texas. He is listed as a farmer. He was a tall man with a large build. He had grey eyes and light hair. In Sep 1918 he was living in Plainview, Hale County, Texas. His father was Jesse Cicero Martin, 1852-1910. His mother was Martha Jane Rowe. Is this the kind of things you want to know? I am looking for information on his father Jesse Cicero Martin. Would you be able to help me with that? Thank you, Willielee

Re: Bender genealogy

garybender158 — 2009-11-06 03:25:14Z

I'm so glad to hear from you. I have the names of your aunts and uncles, but not many dates. I have a picture of your grandparents Edwin and Gelanah, and I have traced Gelanah's family to the 1760's in Virginia, but I can't get further back on the Bender side that Edwin. I remember Jesse visiting my family in Colorado a few times. He always drove a Cadilac and brought a watermelon. My e-mail address is gary.bender@roadrunner.com. Please contact me and we can share some information. By the way, do you know if we are related to another Jesse David Bender who was in Jackson County Kansas and farmed in the Texas panhandle. He was about 20 years older the our uncle (grand uncle in my case)?
Gary

Re: Bender genealogy

BSexsmith0000 — 2009-10-21 23:53:24Z

Your Grandfather, Milton Bender, was my Uncle. My Father was Raymond Bender. I would be glad to share info with you. As a child I visited your Grandparents in Colorado Springs, CO.

I have photos of a Bender reunion held in Edmond Oklahoma in 1957 with all of the Bender clan- brothers Jesse David, Raymond, Bryan & Milton and sisters Flora, Lillie and Alice

I would be glad to share dates & photos with you,

Re: missing Carson County Centennial marker

FairviewTexas — 2009-09-20 06:22:51Z

Those markers always got moved or stored when the highway department widened the road. Some end up at courthouses.
Now we have to start looking at libraries!

Re: missing Carson County Centennial marker

FairviewTexas — 2009-09-20 06:21:05Z

Look at the bottom of the message box, right above the orange Post bar. It says Attachments: just click on "add a file."

Better yet, email them to me at sarah_reveley@att.net .;-)

THANKS!!!!!

Re: missing Carson County Centennial marker

LouiseMulkey1939 — 2009-09-20 04:40:47Z

If you'll explain how to add a picture or two or three, I'll be glad to add them ---- I find that a simple copy and paste doesn't work here --??

I'm still working on finding someone who remembers why the marker was moved and when ---

Re: missing Carson County Centennial marker

LHalsey1 — 2009-09-16 05:13:44Z

Hello,

We listed the Historical Markers on the Carson County TXGenWeb Project page... http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~txcarson/
While we didn't photograph this particular 1936 marker, the information does verify it is now located on the library grounds... http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~txcarson/cmarkindex.html
Here is a link to the Square House Museum... http://www.squarehousemuseum.org/museum_info.htm
Our family -- Wilks and Cheatham -- lived in the house for a time.

Kind regards,
LaRae & Eireann, Co-Coordinators
Carson County TXGenWeb Project

Re: missing Carson County Centennial marker

FairviewTexas — 2009-09-16 02:48:55Z

Thank you thank you! A picture would be great. Can we have a closeup and one of the area, so we can see the library and the tree? Thanks again!!! First marker I've heard of that had a tree planted just for it. that's nice. If you could find any photos of the tree planting we can include that too!

Re: missing Carson County Centennial marker

LouiseMulkey1939 — 2009-09-15 22:17:50Z

This marker is now on the grounds of the Carson County Library at 401 Main St in Panhandle. I am remembering that it was moved to this location in 1986 but not sure about that. The librarian is looking for more information about it. A pecan tree was planted next to the marker to provide shade -- and it's now big enough to do that. I'll take a picture for you if you like......Louise

Re: WWII Newspaper Clippings

LouiseMulkey1939 — 2009-09-14 13:25:49Z

Perhaps you would share those clippings with the Carson County Square House Museum and the Carson County Historical Commission? There is an on-going project to tape interviews with county veterans of World War II and the Korean War at this time and your clippings might contribute to that effort. The email address for the Museum is
Director@squarehousemuseum.org

Thanks......

Re: WWII Newspaper Clippings

ktmay5 — 2009-09-07 14:44:50Z

I would be interested in these clippings. My uncle was Jesse Guyer. Many of the names you mention are very familiar to me.

Re: The Antler Yearbook 1944 White Deer High School

ktmay5 — 2009-09-07 14:42:17Z

My brother was attending school in White Deer in 1944, but would have been in elementary school. Does the annual have pictures of the lower grades?

Re: 1951 White Deer, TX Tornado

ktmay5 — 2009-09-07 14:29:03Z

I would be very interested in having copies of photos of the White Deer tornado. I lived in White Deer when the tornado went through in 1951. Our home was destroyed.

missing Carson County Centennial marker

FairviewTexas — 2009-09-02 22:30:10Z

Does anyone know where the Carson County Centennial marker is? It was erected in 1936, supposedly 2.5 miles NE of Panhandle on Hiway 60, but later info says it was moved to the courthouse grounds. The county judge says it has never been at the courthouse. :(

I am attaching a photo of one, so you will know what to look for. They are about 30" tall, granite base, bronze Texas star on the front, bronze plaque on the top.

Thanks,
Sarah Reveley
http://www.picturetrail.com/neglected_tx_centennial

Re: Sylvester WIMER and Charlie BABB in 1919 Groom, Texas

LouiseMulkey1939 — 2009-07-03 20:41:09Z

Instead of Groom Texas, I wonder if the town could have been Graham Texas in Young Co., south of Wichita Falls which would be almost due south of Enid OK. If you could find out which railroad he was working for, that might give you some clues as to the town location. I believe the Rock Island RR went through Groom, The Handbook of Texas reports "Graham was incorporated sometime before 1900. In 1903 service of the Chicago, Rock Island and Texas line from Fort Worth began, and in the 1920s Graham was connected to Breckenridge and Cisco by the Wichita Falls and Southern line" http://www.tshaonline.org/.

I don't think that Groom had a newspaper until around 1926 or later so the story wouldn't have been reported at the time of the disappearance.

Re: Info or obits

PaSain — 2009-07-03 00:40:57Z

Do you have knowledge of the FamilySearch website, FREE, has Texas death certificates 1890 - 1976 and most US census records.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0

Maggie Leggen Beddingfield, widowed, # 23739
18 Mar 1880 TN
07 Apr 1966 Worley Hospital, Pampa, Gray Co, 1 week
residence 401 Charles, Panhandle, Carson
John Henry father per Betty Mae Harper
mother unknown
Mrs. Harold [Betty Mae Harper] Welsh, informant
Panhandle Cemetery, Panhandle

Betty Mae WELSH, married, # 12930
07 Dec 1904 Bonner, Oklahoma
20 Jan 1969 St Anthony's Hosp Amarillo Potter
residence 907 Franklin, Panhandle, Carson
John Turner Harper father
Maggie Henry mother
Harold Welsh informant
burial Panhandle Cemetery

1930; Census Place: Panhandle, Carson, Texas; Roll 2304; Page: 13B; Enumeration District: 1; Image: 407.0.
A Reece Bettingfield 51
Maggie L HENRY HARPER Bettingfield 49
Gene W Bettingfield 10 Mar 1918 - 05 Jan 1989 Panhandle, Carson, WW II Vet enlisted 04 Mar 1941
Joseph Zebulon Bettingfield 21 Feb 1919 - 28 May 2004 Panhandle, Carson, WWII Vet enlisted 12 Oct 1939, Sgt WW II and Korea, buried Panhandle Cemetery, 304 Main Street
Howard Lee Bettingfield 05 Feb 1921 - Apr 1987 Panhandle, Carson

Gene Wilson Beddingfield - Wanda June Kirby; Wilson Shane Beddingfield 17 Sept 1969 Potter known to have lived in Panhandle, Texas

Howard Lee Beddingfield - Angeline Wanda Urbonzyk/Urbanczyk
Gary Lee 28 Nov 47 Gray - Gayle Ann Stamps; Kurt J 18 Aug 73, Kary Lee dtr 02 Dec 75 Gray Co
Janie Sue 31 Dec 48 Gray
James Bruce 18 Sep 52 Gray

26 April 1930; Census Place: Precinct 1, Carson, Texas; Roll 2304; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 2; Image: 433.0.
J F [John Fletcher Lill] Lell age 34 born TX was 24 when he married reported parents born England wheat farmer, parents Javaz and Hephzebah
Myrtle Belle HARPER Lell age 29 born Smith Co TN 08 Dec 1900 parents TN died 14 Oct 1977 Potter County, dtr of Turner John/John Turner Harper and Maggie "Leggen" Henry of Smith Co TN
Flennene Lell 7 . .Florene ? TX
Lela May Lell 4 TX
John F Jr Lell 2 TX 02 May 1927 Carson Co
Ruth Lill 25 June 1930 Carson
Frank Allan Lill 28 Mar 37 Gray

Infant of John F Lill born 06 Mar 1923 Carson Co

1930; Census Place: Precinct 3, Carson, Texas; Roll 2304; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 4; Image: 452.0.
Harold Welsh 32 IL born 17 June 1897 IL registered WW I Draft Menard Co IL died Feb 1981 Pandhandle, Carson
Betty Moe HARPER Welsh 25
Joe Turner Welsh 06 Nov 1921 died 15 May 1993 Fresno Co CA; married Roberta Nell Herbert; Lawrence Turner Welsh 08 Jul 1943 Potter Co
Harald Welsh 5 - Harold Lee Welsh Jr 10 May 1924 Panhandle died 08 Oct 1970 residence 907 Franklin, Panhandle, father was informant, Harold Jr was divorced.

1920;Census Place: Justice Precinct 1, Carson, Texas; Roll T625_1785; Page: 11B; Enumeration District: 13; Image: 262.
John F Lill 24 1896 TX Eng Eng
Myrtle B Lill 19 TN TN TN

1920;Census Place: Panhandle, Carson, Texas; Roll T625_1785; Page: 6A; Enumeration District: 13; Image: 251.
Oren R [Oscar Reese] Beddingfield 41 06 Oct 1878 GA died 25 Oct 1962 Panhandle son of Joseph Zebulon Beddingfield and Matilda Byrum, W W I Draft registration 1917 - 1918 Carson county
Maggie S Beddingfield 39 TN TN TN
Bellie M Harper 15 OK TN TN step dtr
Lora H Harper 6 1914 OK TN TN step dtr - married by 1930 ? found no children born Carson County
Gene W Beddingfield 1 1918 TX
Joseph J Beddingfield 10/12 1919 TX

02 May 1910; Census Place: Hydro, Caddo, Oklahoma; Roll T624_1245; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 65; Image: 396.
T J Horper 34 born TN 1876 married 1896 parents TN
Margy [Maggy Harper] Horper 30 born TN 1880 parents TN
Joe Horper 12 born TN 1898 - last record found for Joseph W Harper, no WW I Draft record found OK or TX
Myrtle Horper 9 TN 1900 TN TN
Bettie Horper 5 OK 1905

Per "Kasper" family tree Joe Harper son of Turner and Maggie died Dec 1913 in OK. No mention of the daughters. Same tree mentions Maggie L Henry but parents are listed as unknown and there was no John Henry in Smith Co TN 1880 census and Maggie was not born when 1880 census was taken.

1900 Civil Districts 13-14, Smith Co, TN
Turner J Harper Sept 1875 TN TN TN married 1896
Maggie L HENRY Harper Mar 1882 TN TN TN
Joseph W Harper July 1897 TN

Name: T J Harper
Spouse: Maggie Hewey
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1895
Marriage County: Smith
Marriage State: Tennessee
Source Information: Ancestry.com. Tennessee State Marriages, 1780-2002 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2008. Original data: Tennessee State Marriages, 1780-2002. Nashville, TN, USA: Tennessee State Library and Archives. Microfilm.

June 1880 District 14, Smith, TN
Josiah Harper 42 1838 TN father NC
Mary F. WILSON Harper 27 1853 TN father VA mother TN
Elizabeth J. Harper 12 1868 TN dtr
Henrietta Harper 9 1871 TN dtr
Annie Harper 6 1874 TN dtr married D V White 24 Aug 1899
Turner J. Harper 4 1876 TN son
Lucy Harper 2 1878 TN dtr married Allen Kinslow 21 Oct 1900
John J. Harper 7M Nov/Dec 1879 ? TN

Name: Josiah H Harper
Spouse: Mary F Wilson
Marriage Date: 3 Sep 1866
Marriage County: Smith
Marriage State: Tennessee

Re: Sylvester WIMER and Charlie BABB in 1919 Groom, Texas

wendellmelrose18 — 2009-07-02 19:40:26Z

Yes , this is the same man. He was first married to Lillie
Sturgeon. They had one child, Sylva or Sylvia... they divorced about 1914? and he married Margaret Cecil Ruth Babb. Her parents, Dr. John Charles Babb and Nannie Garland
Hubbard Babb lived at Enid, Okla.

Our story always centers around Sylvester's disappearance at Grooms abt. 28 Sept 1919.. and Sylvester's wife and children being taken back to Enid to her parents where they
raised the children.. the kids are even shown as Babb in the 1930 census and they were always told that their father
had killed someone and ran off , never to be seen again.
My side of the family were named Wymer and they lived in
the area of Woods county during that time and later went
to Protection, kansas where they lived out their lives.
It's an old tragic family story, never proven but known to be real.
Wendell H. Melrose

Re: Sylvester WIMER and Charlie BABB in 1919 Groom, Texas

Brightstarr10 — 2009-07-02 18:34:10Z

I checked the death records for Texas on Charlie Babb and Sylvester Wimer, but could find nothing of use.
sounds confusing enough, but, I came across a marriage with Sylvester Layman Wimer married to a Lillie Sturgeon. Could this be the same man? I could not find a death or death place for Sylvester, but this info states he died in Ok. I thought you might want to compare the info.

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?P...

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/h/a/David-J-Cha...

http://www.noktree.com/individual/57725.html

http://boards.ancestry.myfamily.com/localities.northam.usa.s...

http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=115&...

http://genforum.genealogy.com/weimer/messages/772.html

This shows Rosella Wimer with Sylvester in the 1900 Ok Census. It shows father as V.P, Wimer, but should be W.p. Wimer.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#eventP...

Wish I could have helped, I wish you good luck in your search. Vidia

Sylvester WIMER and Charlie BABB in 1919 Groom, Texas

wendellmelrose18 — 2009-07-02 14:40:53Z

My grandfather was Levi C. Wymer, a half brother to Sylvester
Wimer who lived with his wife, Margaret Cecil Babb Wimer and two small childen at Groom, Texas way back in Sept 1919. Sylvester was supposed to be working for the railroad. The actual date of disappearance is 28-29th Sept
1919 at Groom, Texas.
One story we have is that a brother to Margaret borrowed
money from the bank using Sylvester's home for collateral and Sylvester confronted him about it. A fight ensued and
Charlie killed him with an axe handle and later threw his
body in a ravine somewhere perhaps near Groom. So also
i would like to know if there has been any unknown bodies
found that might be identified as him since that time..
it has been 90 years and all of these people have passed on
years ago but this is a known family story so it could be
very well true.

Sylvester took his sister and her children back to Enid, Okla
to their parents within a few days and the children were raised by the grandparents, Dr. John Charles Babb and his
wife, Nannie Garland Hubbar Babb. Margaret, the now widow
of Sylvester gave birth to a son, Max Sylvester, on
1 April 1920 at Enid. Margaret later disappeared herself and was found years later living in Harvey, Louianna using
the name Ruth Dumas. When confronted by her children, she
would go into hysterics and deny everything..

Stories were told to the children that their father had run
off somewhere because he had killed a man.. of course, that wasn't true.

Can anyone verify the story that could have been printed in
the newspaper at Groom during that time?
Anyway, I thank anyone who can provide more information.
Wendell H. Melrose
wendelmelrose@earthlink.net

Re: Info or obits

HL2604 — 2009-03-10 03:46:03Z

My research confirms that submitted by Paula. In addition, you and maryhanson55 have different Josiah Harpers. Josiah Harper that fathered Turner J. (father of Myrtle, Bettie, and Lora) married Mary F. Wison 5 Sep 1866 in Smith County, TN. The other Josiah Harper had expired prior to this event. Slight correction? Their stepfather was, correctly named, Oscar Reese Beddingfield (6 Oct 1878 - 25 Oct 1862). I am not related!

Re: Info or obits

PaSain — 2009-03-10 02:31:55Z

I am not related.

Texas death certificates, 1890 - 1976, below link, select USA, Canada and Mexico, scroll down.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0

John F Lill born 31 Jan 1896 died 27 Mar 1977 Potter Co & Myrtle Belle Harper
Lila Mae Lill 13 Sept 1925 Carson never married died 08 Jan 1997 Baytown, Harris Co
John F Jr 2 May 1927 Carson - Jul 1986 Levelland, Hockley
Ruth Lill 25 June 1930 Carson - born after 1930 census
Frank Allen Lill 28 Mar 1937 Gray - 06 Sept 1982 Potter County

Ruth Lill - Robert Archie Martin
John Robert 7 May 52 Taylor
William Ray 8 May 54 Taylor

Ruth L Martin 25 June 1930 - 04 Aug 2001 Austin, Travis

Frank Allen Lill - Cynthia Elizabeth Stewart born abt 1941 married 10 Dec 1960 divorced 18 Feb 1977 Randall Co
Terry Jay 20 Jul 61 Potter
Dina Kay 19 Apr 63 Potter
Scott Allen 26 Jun 64 Potter

Betty Mae Welsh, married, 12930
07 Dec 1904 Bonner, OK
20 Jan 1969 St Anthony's Hosp in Amarillo, Potter
residence 907 Franklin, Panhandle, Carson
John Turner Harper father
Maggie Henry mother
Harold Welsh informant
Panhandle Cemetery

1930, Precinct 3, Carson, Texas
Harold W Welsh 17 June 1897 Illinois - Feb 1981 Panhandle, Carson, Texas
Betty Moe Welsh 1905 wife
Joe Burnes Welsh 1922
Harald Welsh 1925

Harold Lee Welsh, Jr, divorced, born 1924 Panhandle died 08 Oct 1970 Amarillo, Potter, Harold Welsh Sr and Betty Mae Harper, father was informant, buried Panhandle Cemetery.

Name: Harold L jr Welsh
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1924
Age: 46
Spouse's Name: Ijuana D [Welsh]
Spouse's Estimated Birth Year: abt 1926
Spouse's Age: 44
Divorce Date: 27 Apr 1970
Marriage Date: 8 Jan 1965
Number of Children: 0
County: Carson

Joe Turner Welsh - Roberta Nell Herbert; Lawrence Turner Welsh 8 Jul 43 Potter

Lora H Harper born abt 1914 OK found in Panhandle, Carson Co 1920 w/mother Maggie S Beddingfield born TN 1881, step father Oren R Beddingfield born GA 1879; Gene W Beddingfield age 1 TX and Joseph J Beddingfield age 10 mos TX and Betty Mae Harper listed as Bellie M Harper, "t's" not crossed.

Widow Maggie Leggen Beddingfield born 18 Mar 1880 TN died in Worley Hosp, Pampa, Gray Co 07 Apr 1966 buried Panhandle, Texas, father John Henry.

Gene W Beddingfield enlisted US Army 04 Mar 1941 at Ft Bliss, lived in Carson County, born 10 Mar 1918 died 05 Jan 1989 Panhandle, Carson.

Lora Harper did not have children in Carson or Gray counties.

Lora Harris Harper & Tillman Heney McCafferty had Betty Ann McCafferty 7 Jun 36 Hutchinson county.

Tillman H McCafferty born 9 Sept 1912 died 30 Oct 2002 Wichita, Sedgwick, Kansas ss issued Texas, no Lora and unknown if she was the same person. Betty Ann McCafferty had no children in Texas.

Info or obits

somenina3 — 2009-03-09 19:49:29Z

I am looking for Panhandle, TX Carson County info or obits for
Myrtle Belle Lill 1900-1977
Betty Mae Harper 1901-1969
Lora Harper ????? d 1975

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Maggie L Henry

somenina3 — 2009-03-09 18:04:19Z

Looking for info on great grandmother, Maggie L Henry, mother of Betty Mae, Myrtle Belle and Lora. Panhandle TX.

Panhandle Cemetery Lookup

veevas — 2009-02-28 04:25:20Z

A picture would be so appreciated of this cemetery.
send to jabrat@smwireless.net
thank you.

Panhandle Cemetery Lookup

veevas — 2009-02-28 04:22:33Z

Need any info anyone has on Panhandle Cemetery, in Panhandle, Texas.
A picture would be so appreciated.
jabrat@smwireless.net

Re: trying to locate people from '40s

NJudkins27 — 2008-12-13 21:51:46Z

Somenina3- The only thing I know about my dad working at Palo Duro Canyon is that he worked for an organization he referred to as NYA. I have learned that this was "National Youth Administration" and that they paid young men to perform things like building, clearing away brush and small trees, paving roads.

Nancy

Re: trying to locate people from '40s

stormnnorma — 2008-12-13 19:40:55Z

I don't know anyone by the name of Lill. Sorry!

Re: trying to locate people from '40s

somenina3 — 2008-12-13 16:28:41Z

My grandparents worked at Palo Duro Canyon during the late 40's - early 50's. Do you have any additional info to share.

Re: trying to locate people from '40s

NJudkins27 — 2008-12-12 20:44:11Z

It is blurry when I enlarge it, too. It was taken in Canyon, Texas about 1942 or 1943. My mother attended West Texas College (as it was known then) and my Dad worked in Palo Duro canyon. This was the only photo I found of "Bill Teter."

Re: trying to locate people from '40s

stormnnorma — 2008-12-02 17:48:03Z

Pic. came thru fine, just blurry when I try to enlarge. I forgot to ask where the pic was taken (if you know). Could you maybe just enlarge the head and sent it? Thanks, Norma

Re: trying to locate people from '40s

NJudkins27 — 2008-12-01 21:27:06Z

Sometimes I don't attach items well; let me know if it doesn't seem right. nj84121@aol.com

Re: trying to locate people from '40s

stormnnorma — 2008-11-21 21:12:04Z

I had an uncle Wm "Bill" Jeter in texas. If you could fwd the pic I will see if it is him. Thanks! Norma