Please try to be more "exact" on info presented for research? Alice was born Apr 1888 so her mother could not have been born 1889. Don't think you'll ever find "unimpeachable" proof of her parents? Eliza wed Caesar 4 Jul 1872 in Burleson County. She's found with Alex Vernon (possibly father) 1870 Burleson-Western District-Image 5. That same image has the Joiner family that included Caesar(20). By inference, Caesar/Eliza married two years later and moved to Lee County. Alex Vernon remarried and also moved to Lee.