I can't find the birth cert for Robert Bernard or RB Meador b. 8 July 1905, Grand Saline, Van Zandt Co. His parents were James and Jesse Taylor Meador. Where do I go to find this birth cert?

I've contacted the State and they don't have it on file. Did the counties or cities keep copies of these early birth certs? THANKS in advance.

The 1910 census finds him in Justice precinct a son of Ruby and Almena, born about 1906.

I also find a James T and Jessie P Meador having a son Claude in Texas:
http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbi...

Maybe one of these will help, or try GOOGLE

http://www.texasescapes.com/TOWNS/Grand_Saline/Grand_Saline_...

http://www.vanzandtnewspapers.com/news/140/

http://www.gsisd.esc7.net/centraloffice/history.asp

Van Zandt County Library and Genealogy:
http://www.txgenweb3.org/txvanzandt/vzcevents.htm

If the State doesn't have it, I'd try contacting the County. Call the Courthouse.

I'd try someone in the local area, I'm in Washington State and don't exactly know anything about Texas research

Texas law requiring filing of birth's and death's began 1903, not enforced for years. Robert probably did not have a record until he became an adult and filed delayed birth. Below is link to the Texas Dept of State Health Services, all filings go to Austin.

Most cities and counties will not have records from that time as folks just did not run to the courthouse as most were born at home. SS death index indicates Robert Meador filed for his social security # while resident of Ohio and last residence per ss was in Seattle. His application to obtain SS # will have parent's names on it, where they were from, completed by Robert Meador.

James Meador must have died not long after Robert was born as "Jessie B or Jennie B" Taylor remarried about 1908 in Michigan to Wm N Miner of Canada.

http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/

1910; Census Place: Homestead, Benzie, Michigan; Roll: T624_637; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 7; Image: 1017.
William N Miner 49 born Canada 1861 2nd marriage 1 yr, son of Jas. Miner and Francis Campbell, first married Mrs. May Harsh White 09 June 1892 in Benzonia, Benzie Co.
Jennie Taylor Meador Miner 29 born KY 1881 father KY mother TN
Beulah B Meador 13 born KY step dtr father KY born 1898 KY married Lawrence Miner, age 20, 26 Oct 1918, Benzonia, Benzie MI, James Meador father, Jennie Taylor mother. Lawrence's parents Geo H Miner and Eva L Dennis
Ocia M Meador 10 born KY step dtr married Floyd L Berg 17 Mar 1925 Benzonia, Benzie MI, dtr of Jos. Meador and Jennie Taylor, stated born 1903 in Franklin Co KY. . . use below website "pilot.familysearch.org" Michigan Marriages 1868 - 1925. Floyd L Berg age 21 born Seymour, was a sailor, father Wm Berg, mother Jemima Mentink
Jesse R B Meador 4 born TX step son
Alton E Nuner 8/12 ...Miner born MI son


16 June 1900, Magisterial District 6, Hickory Flat, Rich Pond Precinct, Warren, Kentucky
James Meadows born Jan 1880 TN married two years, father/mother TN
Jennie Meadows born Nov 1880 KY father/mother KY
Beulah Meadows born Dec 1897 KY dtr
. . . residing next to
John Meadows May 1850 TN married 24 yrs - John Wesley Meador born 19 Sept 1850 TN died Warren Co KY 9 Oct 1944, son of Wesley B Meador of TN and Clemency Dotson of TN
Harriett May 1856 TN mother of 11 children - Harriett Meador born 31 May 1857 TN died 05 Apr 1939 Warren Co KY, spouse of John Meador, dtr of Dock Rigsby of TN and Mary Tippet of TN
Ocie May 1884 TN dtr
Mary June 1885 TN dtr - one Mary Meador married a FORD; Thomas J Ford born 16 Sept 1916 Warren Co
Myrtle Jan 1889 TN dtr - one "Myrtie" Meador married Luther Alexander; Lassie G Alexander dtr born 24 May 1916 Warren Co, listed in Hickory Flat in 1920. Luther born KY 1884, "Martie" Meador Alexander born KY 1885, Sterlin 1907, Virgie dtr 1908
Pearl Aug 1889 TN dtr - one Pearl Meador married Everett PACK; Benjamin S Pack born 19 Mar 1917 Warren Co, found in Louisville Ward 8, Jefferson Co in 1920; Raymond Pack born abt 1916, Benjamin S listed as Stanley Pack age 3 11/12 and Everett Pack born abt 1891 TN
William Apr 1892 TN son
George Mar 1893 TN son - George Meador born 7 Feb 1893 TN registered WW I Draft in Warren County KY
Wesley Sept 1894 TN son
Lesly June 1897 TN son - Lesslie Meador born 23 June 1898 registered in Allen Co KY

1880, District 9, De Kalb, TN
John W Meadows 1851 TN TN TN
Harriett S Meadows 1857 TN TN TN
Minnie M Meadows 1877 TN
Dollie A Meadows 1879 TN

Tennessee Marriages, 1851 - 1900
Source Information: Dodd, Jordan R.. Tennessee Marriages, 1851-1900 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2000. Original data: See extended description for original data sources listed by county.

Jno. W Meador married Harriette Rigsby. . .only data provided

1920, Benzonia, Benzie, MI - 1930, Benzonia, Benzie, MI
Laurence/Lawrence Miner born 06 July 1898 MI [birth date from WW I Draft] worked for railroad
Beulah B Miner 1898 KY stated parents born TN in 1920 and Kentucky in 1930
Geraldine L Miner 1921
Phyllis A Miner 1925

Wm N Miner, Jennie, Ocia, Jesse Robert Bernard Meador and Alton E Miner not found in 1920 record because Jessie/Jennie B Taylor Meador Miner remarried in 1919 for third time and R B Meador is listed with stepfather's surname. Ocia/Ocie Meador and son Alton Miner not found.

1920, Ludington Ward 1, Mason, MI
John R Ritscher 39 born Germany, arrived US 1890
Jessie or Jennie Ritscher 37 born KY wife claimed father born Ireland, mother KY
R B Ritscher son born Texas 1906 father born Germany mother Kentucky

John F. F. Ritscher born Germany age 38 resident of Manistee, sailor, married Jesse B Taylor 18 Feb 1919 Manistee, Manistee, Michigan, son of Claus C Ritscher and Johanna Magnussen. Jesse B Taylor age 35 resident of Honor, MI, born Franklin, Kentucky, maid, parents "Don't know", J. H. Todt, pastor, performed ceremony, Matthew and Frieda Berglund of Manistee witnesses.

1930, Seattle, King, WA
John F F Ritscher 1881 Germany was 38 when he married, father Holland, mother Sweden, arrived 1886, commercial traveler, ? spices
Gennie B Ritscher 1881 Kentucky was 15 first time she married, parents KY

John Fred Ritscher born 07 Oct 1880 registered WW I Draft in Mason Co, Michigan
Irving Clause Ritscher born Michigan 31 Jan 1894 registered in Seattle, King, WA
Herbert G E Ritscher born 23 Dec 1895 MI registered in Seattle, King, WA

Name: John F Ritscher
Date of Death: 5 Mar 1946
Place of Death: Seattle
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Gender: Male
Certificate: 1002
Source Information:Ancestry.com. Washington Death Index, 1940-1996 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2002. Original data: Washington State Department of Health. State Death Records Index, 1940-1996. Microfilm. Washington State Archives, Olympia, Washington.

Name: Jennit B Ritscher
Date of Death: 17 Sep 1953
Place of Death: King
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Gender: Female
Certificate: 16396

1930, Ludington, Mason, MI
Floyd Berg 1904 WI
Ocia Meador Berg 1901
Donald Berg 1926 son
Carol Berg 1929 dtr

1930, Ludington, Mason, MI
Robert Meador 1906 son in law says born MI was 22 when he married, parents born US. . . is this your Robert ?
Agnes Samuelson Meador 1909 MI dtr
Fred A Samuelson 59 born WI married at 34
Augusta Samuelson 46 born MI married at 21
Bernice Samuelson dtr 23 MI
Ralph Samuelson son 19 MI
Helen Samuelson dtr 14 MI

Floyd L Berg born 21 Mar 1904 died 22 Oct 1992 last residence Sheboygan, Sheboygan, WI

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0

Pilot.familysearch also has census records

Franklin County, Kentucky
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kyfrankl/franklin.htm

HI, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. This is an amazing amount of info. I have to admit I never thought about delayed birth cert. I should have though because my Mom was born in 1913 but didn't get a birth cert issued until World War II. Grandma found that several of the other children's births hadn't been recorded by the doctor that came out to the farm too. J

Hi, THANK YOU, THANK YOU! This took so much of your time and effort. I'll have to go through it all. I have to admit I never thought about a delayed birth cert.

PDSAIN did an excellent job in finding facts, but NOT ONLY in finding facts. This researcher not only used common sense in KNOWING the history of this scenario, also thinking about those sites that might have answers, but also CHECKED those sites for REAL information. This researcher does not just use a shotgun approach and provide a quick GUESS about "possible" links, but makes sure the facts fit the scenario. PDSAIN is an EXCELLENT teacher and genealogy researcher.

When a researcher helps someone they MUST have common sense to know that the help given FITS the search being requested. One CAN NOT just tell someone to check some Museum site when in fact that site is ONLY A MUSEUM and NOT a genealogy research site. Links MUST be checked and verified.

One MUST know about HISTORY. A genealogist must use history not only locally but world history to study possible scenarios. PDSAIN used knowledge in this case.

A researcher can't say someone must be married or dead based on a guess. Genealogy is about FACTS not GUESSES, not SHOTGUN approaches to something that is NOT COMMON SENSE. Because someone can't be found from one census to another, does NOT mean the person died.

A true genealogy reseacher doesn't just suggest a link. They PROVE the method works and FINDS information so that the original poster LEARNS, not only the facts, but HOW the research is done and PROOF that it works. This teaches the NEXT generation of knowledgeable researchers.

My suggestions to you in this search were, as you know, the shotgun approach, as given sooooooo many times by that person in Wenatchee to MANY others. This approach not only has failed, as I have proven over the past, but probably also resulted in the original poster becoming FRUSTRATED when they tried the given links. Thus, the MANY that did not respond to the "assistance" given. One can NOT take a "Thank You" as self gratification. This "Thank You" must have provided someone with an answer AND a method for future research.

If a genealogy volunteer tries to work without common sense and bases suggestions only on GUESS and with substantial proof in the method, that volunteer should NOT be helping others in their research. While I, and many others have tried to make this point succinct to you, I sincerly hope that in this case it SINKS IN. If I knew of a doctor that heard a patient complain their foot hurt, suggested to have a hand removed, I would object. In this case, the scenario is the same. If a volunteer suggests over and over to many posting of a certain remedy, if that remedy has nothing to do with the research, that volunteer MUST be silenced.

As always, I will continue to inflict a proper remedy in an effort to silence a quack "doctor".

Ron Bestrom

J,

I failed to note that I could not find transcribed marriages for Franklin and Warren counties, KY. Since Ms. Taylor was 15 when she married James Meador, there may have been a consent form of some type giving permission for the marriage. I highly suggest you obtain her death certificate in hopes there is information as to her parents names if you desire to gain additional information on her lineage.

Good Luck, Paula Sain