Thanks for the input re Nathaniel. I'm wondering if we are discussing the same John Murphy who married an Elizabeth. Was the John you are speaking of born about 1828 and drowned in the James River? The Murphy name repeats are unbelievable. It appears that this line of Murphys lived on and around the NC-VA border, Rockingham, NC into Henry County, maybe Pittsylvania County, VA. In the early censuses, those that lived on the Old Mayfield Rd were sometimes listed as NC, other times VA. Apparently the state line was not clear. I read that sometime ago while researching another line. I am appreciating all the input!