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Re: CONARD, CUNARD, CONRAD

Kathleen_Lake  (View posts) Posted: 30 Apr 2009 10:55PM GMT
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Surnames: Kunders, Conard, Conrads of Germantown, PA and Loudoun, VA
I thought you might be interested in this about the Conards from Germantown, PA and Loudoun, VA. If you go to the sights mentioned below (their free and online reference books) you can read for yourself the history... You'll note that the Kunders (Conard, Cunard, Conrad) of Germantown were mentioned in the information about the Mennonite congregation, but it is believed that they were former Mennonite Quakers.

You may also find it interesting that a Company of Quakers from Loudoun Co., Virginia refused to fight for the Confederacy and chose to fight for the Union. I have family from Goose Creek, Loudoun Co., VA that were Quaker as well and I am pretty sure Goose Creek was a solid Quaker settlement.( : K. M. Lake (a Conard/Conrad/Custer families descendant)...


The Germantown emigrants from Kaldenkirchen and Krefeld, Germany, including the famous Kuster or Custer clan, were mostly “former Mennonite” Quakers.

The Mennonite and Quaker communities differed on some major points, but generally got along, cooperating with each other (though as it goes with religious differences they could be hotly contested). The flow was both ways with Mennonites converting to Quakerism and vice versa, though the trend was more the latter. The people from Krefeld and Kaldenkirchen, (Prussia) Germany, were mainly former Mennonites. They were mostly poor weavers who could barely pay their passage to America.

From the “Global Anabaptist Mennonite Encyclopedia,” Harold Press.
Please see the enclopedia for the original information and more at:

http://www.gameo.org/encyclopedia/contents/G4764.html


”Until William I. Hull proved that most of the original (1683) families were an interrelated group of Quakers, it had been assumed that the group was Mennonite. But since only one family (Jan Lensen) of the original 13 remained Mennonite, while the other 12 appear in the Quaker meeting records, and since most of them had signed a Quaker marriage certificate at Krefeld in 1681, it is safe to assume that this first group of Germantown settlers was essentially a Quaker movement. There was a Quaker congregation in Krefeld 1667-1686, all former Mennonites. A total of 15 Quaker families came from Krefeld to Germantown, all by 1686. Later two of the first 12 Quaker families, Abraham and Hermann op den Graeff, reverted to the Mennonites."


1663: First Pennsylvania Mennonite group: Pieter Cornelisz Plockhoy, Dutch

1683: (24 Oct) First Pennsylvania Mennonite and predominantly (former Mennonite) Quaker settlement, at Germantown, outside Philadelphia, Philadelphia Co., Pennsylvania (there were other Germantowns located elsewhere in Pennsylvania). Francis D. Pastorius, Pietist scholar, founder.

1690: (abt) Mennonite congregation established and in 1708 they observed its first baptism and communion.

THE KREFELD FAMILIES:
Krefeld, 13 Dutch-speaking German immigrants, families, including 33 persons sailed from Gravesend, London on the "Concord" arriving 6 Oct 1683.

16 original families from Krefield/Lower Rhine and an additional seven more for a total of 23 Germantown immigrants. Of these most of the Krefield immigrants either were already Quaker converts (having signed Quaker marriage documents in Krefield before emigrating):

 Godschalk (from Goch)- (Jacob Gottschalk may be from this family, he was a Mennonite deacon)

 Hosters

 Lensen (one member, Jan Lensen remained Mennonite)

 Jansen/Johnson

 Kasselberg

 Krey

 Küster or Custer (married into both the Streypers (Quaker) and the Cassell (Mennonite) families

 Neuss or Nice - 2 families

 op den Graeff (Abraham and Hermann remained Mennonite)

 Papel

 Seilen

 Streypers (already prominent Quaker in Germany)

 Telner (returned to Krefeld)

 Tyson

 Umstat or Umstead

 van Bebber - 2 families

and,

 Engel (came later)

In 1734 the Mennonite Congregation in Germantown, Philadelphia, PA numbered 34 (in 1712 it was 99). Some other Mennonite or Quaker people resident, or visiting, Germantown (in addition to those mentioned above as first families of Germantown, Pennsylvania) were:

(Mennonite unless otherwise indicated)

 Rudolpus Varick (visitor, reformed minister)

 Dirck Keyser, of Amsterdam "Menist" (aka "Manist" or Quaker)

 Jacob Gottschalk, preacher (wrote about the early Mennonite congregation)

 Hans Neuss, preacher

 Isaac van Sintern, deacon

 Heinrich Cassel, deacon

 Conrad Jansen, deacon

 Härmen Karsdorp, preacher

 Martin Kolb, preacher

 Arnold van Vossen (affiliation unknown) donated the Mennonite meetinghouse in 1770

 Connert

 Kunders (may have been former Mennonite, Quaker)

 Gorgas

Two smaller Mennonite groups joined the Mennonite/Quaker community at Germantown:

German (Dutch-speaking) families from:

 Hamburg-Altona, Germany - did not remain

 Kardorp

 Van Sinteren

 Roosen Family - returned to Germany

 Berends - returned to Germany

 Klassen

 van Vossen

 Two families Paltinate (Kreigshem-Mannheim, Germany) remained and became prominent Mennonites

German (German-speaking) families from Kolb

 Kassel

 Bowmen

 Graf

 Clemens

For more free, online, information on this issue see:

William Penn and the Dutch Quaker Migration to Pennsylvania
By William I. Hull
Published by Kessinger Publishing, 2006
ISBN 1428660542, 9781428660540
496 pages

at the following website:
http://books.google.com/books

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