Rappahannock - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Frazier, Fry(e), Jenkins, Pullen, Atkins, Woodard, Rutherford

Missy_Hall_Sutton — 2013-05-08 19:52:16Z

If you are descended from James Pullen (born in 1793), we hope you will join us for a
family reunion on Saturday, January 1.

Pullen Family Reunion
Saturday, June 1, 2013
Washington Volunteer Fire and Rescue
10 Firehouse Lane, Washington, Virginia 22747

We’ll start gathering around 11:30 a.m.; we’ll eat lunch at 12:30 p.m.

Please bring a dish of food and a non-alcoholic beverage to share. Meat
(chicken and ham), plates, utensils (for eating), cups and ice will be provided.

Please note: the kitchen will not be available for use. Also, please label your
containers and serving utensils with your name.

Please contact Missy or Katrina to rsvp.
• Missy: 703-307-3630 or missys150@yahoo.com
• Katrina: 703-593-5281 or kbmcgreevy@yahoo.com

Missy is the great-great-great-great-granddaughter of James Pullen.
Katrina is the great-great-great-great-great-granddaughter of James Pullen.

How do you know if you’re a descendant of James Pullen?
• Your last name was/is Pullen, Baldwin, Bailey, Hawkins, Compton, Clark, Frazier,
Atkins and Menefee (just to name a few); AND
• You or your ancestors live or have lived in one of the following counties in
Virginia – Page, Warren, Fauquier, Rappahannock, Culpeper, Orange and
Madison.

Still not sure? Contact Missy (703-307-3630 or missys150@yahoo.com) or Katrina
(703-593-5281 or kbmcgreevy@yahoo.com). They can help you track down your
branch of the family tree.

Where It All Started

James Pullen (born 1793 in Virginia) married Charlotte Jenkins and had four children:
• #1 - Pendleton Pullen (born in 1828 in Rappahannock, Virginia)
• #2 - America Pullen (born in 1832 in Virginia)
• #3 - James E. Pullen (born in 1838 in Virginia)
• #4 - Smily Pullen (born in 1840 in Virginia)

Pendleton Pullen (descended from James Pullen) married Emily Elizabeth Hill and had
10 children:
• #1 - John Pendleton Pullen (born in 1858 in Virginia)
• #2 - Robert Lafayette Pullen (born 1950 in Luray, Virginia)
• #3 - Grace Ann Mildred Pullen (born in 1854 in Rappahannock, Virginia)
• #4 - Louisiana Elizabeth Pullen (born in 1856 in Virginia)
• #5 - William Isham Pullen (born in 1858 in Virginia)
• #6 - Isabella Pullen (born in 1861 in Rappahannock, Virginia)
• #7 - Emily Jane Pullen (born in 1862 in Rappahannock, Virginia),
• #8 - Mary Jane Pullen (born in 1866 in Rappahannock, Virginia)
• #9 - Philip Thomas Pullen (born in 1870 in Virginia)
• #10 - Samuel Booton Pullen (born in 1870 in Rappahannock, Virginia)

John Pendleton Pullen (descended from Pendleton Pullen) married Ann J. Clark and
had twelve children:
• #1 - Richard Pullen (born 1893 in Sperryville, Virginia)
• #2 - Jonas Pullen (born 1885 in Virginia)
• #3 - Caroline Emily Pullen
• #4 - Adison T. Pullen
• #5 - Robinson Pullen (born 1895 in Rappahannock, Virginia)
• #6 - Luella Pullen (born 1881 in Sperryville, Virginia
• #7 - Martha Pullen (born 1883 in Virginia)
• #8 - John W. Pullen (born 1889 in Sperryville, Virginia)
• #9 - Susie Pullen (born 1896 in Virginia)
• #10 - Gordon Pullen (born 1898 in Virginia)
• #11 - Annie B. Pullen (born 1902 in Virginia)
• #12 - Ennis D. Pullen (born October 1902)

Re: Seeking any further info on Albert Corron pedigree

Sheilah1956 — 2013-04-28 00:47:24Z

Jacquelyn, I was going over some pictures I have and found a picture of your grandfather,Robert CORRON ,when he was about 15 . It has his 2 sisters and 2 brothers. Glayds, Marry E. (Ella} and Hubert and a brother that is listed as Connor. My grandmother wrote the names on the back of the photo so I believe that is what they were called. His given name was Daughno T. CORRON ,but he went by Connor. Any clues ?

Thanks,
Sheilah1956

Re: JOHNSON

amerone — 2013-04-24 22:32:23Z

I have Red Oak Johnson Family history. I also have a picture of my grandfather, Edward Milton Johnson with Rosie Agatha "Gatie" Yancey. If you send me your e-mail address, I will send a PDF file with the information I have.
Janice
cpajlm@atmc.net
Please use Red Oak in the subject line.

Elizabeth Kenney (Kanney) born approx 1800

agioni1963 — 2013-03-14 11:59:19Z

I have a gr-4 grandmother in Rockingham County on the 1880 census, listed as age 80. She is living in the home of her son, James William (or William James) and died in his home in 1882. Sources have inferred that she may have been orignally from Rappahannock Co. The 1880 census and the newspaper reporting her death are the only links I have found to her. Her son, William James was born in 1830. Any ideas appericated.

Re: McLane Jenkins

TeresaForsyth99 — 2013-03-07 02:32:01Z

I'm the granddaughter of Aubrey William Jenkins of Summit Point, WV. Dan and I have been cooresponding since the 2000 but I'm now retired and started this winter project.
Pictures? I'll also share pictures.

Looking for two specific questions...
1. Why did Thomas Smith III and wife Mildred "Milly" Lillard go to Kentucky around 1817 +/-; and while in Kentucky the children John W. Bull Smith and Fielding Smith were born.

2. John W. Bull Smith had a son Benjamin Harrison Smith b. March 23, 1873 --- was he a school teacher somewhere around 1916 ?-- oral history from my Grandmother Velma Lee Smith Jenkins (my paternal grandmother and wife of my grandfather Aubrey William Jenkins) she could remember riding the horse behind him as he was on his way to teach school and that he made about $30/monthly.

Re: McLane Jenkins

Sloan7762 — 2013-03-01 12:18:00Z

Good to hear from you Jim - you and I are 3rd cousins. Your mother is Mary Ann? My e-mail address is dj36066@aol.com. I have plenty of info on both your grandparents sides. Looking forward in hearing from you.

Re: McLane Jenkins

landis5263 — 2013-03-01 06:55:25Z

Dan,
Can you e-mail me.
I'm the grand son of Pearl Viola Jenkins...Johannas Jenkins daughter.

Jim

Re: SARAH ANN BUTLER

ShirleyEdillon49 — 2013-02-23 02:42:53Z

I left off her name...Mary Elizabeth Butler.

Re: SARAH ANN BUTLER

ShirleyEdillon49 — 2013-02-23 02:40:10Z

Please email swe at cox.net
Sarah's sister born about 1843 married in 1870 to William Willis. Can you tell me when she died? And perhaps where she and William are buried. Did they have any children?

Re: need death date for grandmother Senora Phillips Williams

momma09gal — 2013-02-16 01:15:34Z

hello ,my senora mary phillips williams was a black woman born ,married ,lived and died in rappahannock county,va. never got to arkansas.sorry we have two different people.good luck on your search..

Re: need death date for grandmother Senora Phillips Williams

DeniseJohnsonReeves — 2013-02-11 16:02:29Z

not sure when Senora was born. She did live in Arkansas but I am not sure for how long.

My email address is ohsoluvely@hotmail.com

Re: need death date for grandmother Senora Phillips Williams

DeniseJohnsonReeves — 2013-02-11 16:01:11Z

I am actually searching for a senora phillips. She would have been my great grandmother.

Re: McKenney/McKenny/Kenney/Kenny

rg6968 — 2013-02-06 23:02:04Z

Julie, my Kenney line has always appeared to spell the name as "Kenney". My William Kenney's middle initial was "F", probably for "Franklin". I know nothing about William F. Kenney prior to the b-record of his son James F. Kenney b 10-1853 in Harrison Co., VA/WV. William Kenney's wife was Mary Jane ? (unknown surname), b circa 1830 in VA. I have been unable to locate where William & Mary Jane married. William F. Kenney d 12-11-1901 Harrison Co., WV. Here are the names of William's children: James Franklin; John William; Augustus H.; Jesse Thaddaeus; Thomas J.; Elizabeth Ann; Mary Catherine; Emiretta F.; Robert J. All the children of William's that married, did so in Harrison Co., WV. The names of the children are very similar to the given names of Sylvanus Kenney's line. Cindy Tharp Graham

McKenney/McKenny/Kenney/Kenny

rg6968 — 2013-02-06 23:01:46Z

Am seeking info on person listed as William McKenney, age 28 (b circa 1822); b VA; laborer on farm of Benoni/Bensni Griffin on the 1850 Rappahannock Co., VA Census. He is probably the son of Eliza McKenny age 50 also listed on the 1850 Rappahannock Co., VA Census. I am trying to ascertain if this is the William Kenney/Kenny who migrated to Harrrison Co., VA/WV after the 1850 census & prior to 1854. The William Kenny/Kenney that I am seeking lived in Harrison Co., VA/WV near Sylvanus Kenny/Kenney previously of Rappahannock & Fauquier Counties VA. Any help greatly appreciated. Thank you, Cindy Tharp Graham

Re: Brown Family Reunion

lbrooks13 — 2013-01-11 02:23:56Z

Hi. I saw your message and was shocked that I found it. My name is Lynwood brooks and I'm 53. I know very little about my family history but am trying to piece things together. I was raised by my grandparents (Frankie and Carrie Brooks in front royal). Titus Brooks was my grandfather's father or grandfather. I'd love to get in touch to know more about what you have found out.
Thanks

Re: Margaret Gotobed

CharlesMottGotobed — 2013-01-02 01:55:53Z

Did the emigrate from England?

Benjamin Franklin Davenport

shapactek — 2012-12-08 19:28:57Z

Benjamin Franklin Davenport was born May 9, 1813 in Virginia..he married a Jane Parr or Marr..
I'm searching for any information about his parents, who they were, what their name was..
Benj moved to Alabama and later lived and died in Kemper County Mississippi.
He had children but all were born in Alabama.
I know nothing about his life in Virginia or his parents..
any help would be appreciated..I'm posting this in different counties as I don't really know where in VA..just a general idea from a DNA test done.
Thanks
Shap

Re: William Alexander Dearing and Jane Elizabeth Eastham

twilliams541 — 2012-12-07 17:46:00Z

I have been writing a book on the Dearing Family and one of the individuals that I am touching on is William Alexander Dearing and Jane Elizabeth Eastham and their children.
The Dearing Bible offers a little help, but I can't find documentation to prove the dates I have for them. Birth, death, marriage.
I love the story about how he died, but it must have been awful for his wife and family.
If you have this information and documentation would you mind sharing it with me. My book is no for profit.

I hope your project goes well. Good luck! If I can help let me know.

Linda

Re: Wesley Jenkins

BCBarb — 2012-11-17 02:43:54Z

I have some info on Wesley and Sidney Jenkins.
Feel free to contact me.

need death date for grandmother Senora Phillips Williams

momma09gal — 2012-11-07 21:33:27Z

spent $36.00 to state archives to search a death date,approximately for her who was married to william jammes "Bill" Williams.she is inn the 1920 census but not 1930 so she died within those 10 yrs but state says they hav no record.there was a family cemetary on the famiky property but i doubt there are any headstones.family lore says my dad,james c. williams came home one summer and found her dead..bill was always traveling back and forth to w.va.-,we understand.i am at STAndstill on this for over 40 yrs.my dad never spoke of her and after he passed i asked my mom.she gave mme the above info..their living children were ella w.sloan,viola williams and my dad james c, williams-all long deceased..

Re: phoebe margaret miller

agpetrich — 2012-10-22 01:20:57Z

I just noticed this response, which was sent six years ago. Sorry not to have responded sooner. I have a little on the Nichols, but not much -- a lot on the Millers, however.

Benjamin Franklin Davenport

shapactek — 2012-10-20 19:48:50Z

Re: McLane Jenkins

daniellemack1206 — 2012-09-23 01:56:34Z

Can you try emailing me? Daniellemack1206@Yahoo.com

Re: McLane Jenkins

dj36066 — 2012-09-23 01:25:19Z

Good to hear from you! Silas Booten was my grandfather's (James Henry Jenkins) brother. Out of all my grandfather's brothers/sisters, I only met Aubrey William in Berryville. I have to locate them but I do have pictures of Silas Booten and Lela W. Would be interested in sharing info on our family. I am at Dj36066@aol.com. Looking forward in talking with you.
Dan Jenkins

Re: McLane Jenkins

daniellemack1206 — 2012-09-22 22:40:17Z

My great grandfather is silas booten Jenkins

PARTLOW, ELISHA and MENEFEE, FRANCES

florarudacilleworatschek — 2012-09-02 02:16:40Z

Hello,
I am seeking some sort of confirmation that Elisha Partlow and Frances Menefee Partlow were the parents of Sarah Menefee Partlow - who later married John B. Gore. I have had luck with census records that list the Gores living near the Partlows, but it's not enough. What I really need is something like a Bible Record, a Baptismal Record, or something along those lines. Sadly, Elisha died intestate, so there is no will naming his children. I have found some property transfers, but again - no direct mention of daughter, Sarah.
Will share if I have anything you need. :) Thank you!
Flora Rudacille Woratschek

Re: MENEFEE

florarudacilleworatschek — 2012-09-02 02:04:46Z

HELLO! Well, we must be related.. as I also descend from Elisha Partlow and Frances Menefee in one of my lines... my family history! :) I am seeking info on Sarah Menefee Partlow Gore (daughter of Elisha Partlow and Frances Menefee Partlow.... she later married John B. Gore. I need some sort of proof that Sarah is the daughter of Elisha and Frances... been VERY hard to get!!! Would you happen to have anything at all?
Thank you so much, cousin! :) Flora Rudacille Woratschek

Re: FOGG

florarudacilleworatschek — 2012-09-02 02:00:54Z

HELLO! Well, we must be related... as I have both Menefee and Fogg (Frogg) in my family history! :) I am seeking info on Sarah Menefee Partlow Gore (daughter of Elisha Partlow and Frances Menefee Partlow.... she later married John B. Gore. I need some sort of proof that Sarah is the daughter of Elisha and Frances... been VERY hard to get!!! Would you happen to have anything at all?
Thank you so much, cousin! :) Flora Rudacille Woratschek

Re: Margaret Gotobed

dorothea38deadea — 2012-08-28 20:56:18Z

Hi--Long time no hear from--I believe I've found mother of Margaret Gotobed--Winney Smith, d/o William Smith, Sr. Ellen Thornhill, whom I've long thought was d/o your Thomas B. and Margaret (Gotobed) Thornhill is in a census with Winney and Leanna Smith and I couldn't figure out why--Winney was her grandmother!
Dorothea

Re: Maria Silvey

Rromabella — 2012-08-02 18:56:19Z

Thank you, I have the death date/place for David. 27 Feb 1896 in Amissville but still nothing concrete for Maria with the exception of a death year (thank you!). I'll post it when I have something to share.

Re: Maria Silvey

pauldsure — 2012-07-30 02:18:55Z

Maria died in 1899 and David in 1896 , both buried in Amissvile Methodist church cemetery, in Rappahannock County

Re: Maria Silvey

KathiBirch — 2012-07-29 13:22:55Z

She was my 3rd great grandmother. I too run into a deadend for both she and David W. Silvey, with the exception of David's father being Dr. Robert W. Silvey. That also leads me to a deadend. I can't imagine why we can find no further information regarding persons that are so recent in history. If you do find any further information, pls let me know.

Shawn

Re: Nancy Elizabeth Rush

anncannadaysanders64 — 2012-07-26 23:24:37Z

Hi again! I was just looking on www.findagrave.com and put in the last name of Rush from Virginia and several came up. They were from Appomattox. I also pulled up Cemetery Lookup saw Rush Cemetery and looked in there. See if that helps you.
anncannadaysanders64

Re: Nancy Elizabeth Rush

captrcrush75 — 2012-07-09 19:54:24Z

Nancy,
I just found my old notes from the Warrenton cemetery..
tombstones read...
Richard H. Rush 1829 - 1914
Sallie G. Rush 1832 -1921
Philip L. Rush 12 Jan 1857 - 10 Sep 1894
Alice Rush 5 Dec 1855 - 19 Feb 1933

Hope this helps,
Rick Rush

Re: Nancy Elizabeth Rush

captrcrush75 — 2012-07-09 18:48:21Z

Nancy,
You raise an interesting possibility... could there have been 2 Richard H. Rush(s) from the Culpeper-Madison area, one born ~1829 and another born 1832-33?
The tombstone in Warrenton Va next to Sallie has his birth date as 1829. That is the Rush line I've been following. But why does the 27, 37, 47, and 77 ages keep showing up on the Censuses?
Also just a little odd (most likely a typo) Sallie's Obit on 24 Sept 1921 in The Fauquier Democrat says she is "widow of the late Mr R.A. Rush" died at her home on Thursday Sept 22...at age 88". I'm sure the "A." should be a "H.".
WRT to the Pension application, I believe the Col. is Charles L. Crittenden. I can only surmise one of Richard and Sallie's son Charles Crittenden Rush (1857-1897) was named after his Civil War Leader. This Charles C Rush is my Great-Grandfather.
I'm still digging.
Thanks for your info..Rick

Re: Nancy Elizabeth Rush

anncannadaysanders64 — 2012-07-09 05:31:49Z

Rick, nice to hear from you. Here's what I have for documentation on Richard Henry Rush. See if this makes sense to you and let me know what you think.

"Information from FamilySearch Ancestral File v4.1l9 showing birth Abt. 1849 in Culpepper,,Va. and married to Sally Grubbs.
1850 residence in Fairfax, Culpepper, Virginia at age 17.
1850 Fed Census, 1 November, residence in Fairfax, Culpepper, Virginia, Richard H. Rush, at age 21,
grocer.
1860 residence in Fairfax, Culpepper, Virginia at age 27.
1870 residence in Catalpa, Culpepper, Virginia at age 37.
1880 residence in Center [Catalpa], Fauquier, Virginia at age 47.
1910 Census Miracode Indes, Fauquier Co., head of household, Richard H., white, 76; wife, Sallie A., 77,
both born in Virginia.
1910 Census in Fauquier Co., head of household, Richard H., white, male, 76, born abt 1834 in Virginia,
both parents born in Virginia; spouse, Sullie [Sallie] A., 77, born in Virginia, residence in 1910 Cedar
Run, Fauquier Co., Virginia
Officers of the Continental and U.S. Navy and Marine Corps 175-1900, edited by Edward W. Callahan and published in 1901. Information listed in this database include: names of servicemen, rank information, death date, and military branch.
William H. Rush, Ass't. Surgeon, Passed Ass't Surgeon, Surgeon, Retired;
Service Date: 13 Feb 1877, 13 Feb 1880, 30 Nov 1894
Military Branch: US Navy Officers (1798-1900)
Source: ancestry.com) datebase [Provo, UT]

U.S. Confederate Pension, 1884-1958 indicate he was in the 13th Virginia Infantry, Company 18 under Col. C. L. Conttenden??. Captain Z. S. Russ?? Two people persons familiar with circumstances of your husband's service and death: Hugh Hamilton, Warrenton, VA and M.A. Sims, Warrenton, VA."

Ann Cannaday Sanders

Re: Nancy Elizabeth Rush

captrcrush75 — 2012-07-07 19:49:02Z

Ann,
Here's what I have...which is close but doesn't line up with some of your dates nor with Richard's parents.

Richard Henry Rush b. 1832 d. 19 Sep. 1914
married 1863 to Sallie Ann Grubbs b. 1834 d. 22 Sep 1921
Children (10)
Name Born Location Died Married
John C Rush 1854 Culpeper 1858
Philip Lightfoot 1856 " 19 Feb 1933
Charles Crittenden 22 Oct 1857 " 25 Jan 1897
Elnora G.
Cora J. 28 Dec 1863
Mary Janet (Jannie) xxx Richmond 10 Jan 1955
Abner Kemp 01 Mar 1869 23 Nov 1941
Richard Henry May 1871 Catalpa 25 Jun 1960
Robert Lewis 23 Sep 1873 1 Feb 1964
Nannie E. (Your G-GMa) 3 Feb 1876 9 Mar 1960
she married C. C. Coleman 20 April 1898

Richard Henry Rush parents aren't William Henry (1827-1910)..not with his birth ~1832. I only have his father as a John Rush. Still searching.
Best of luck.
Rick Rush

Photos of "The Shades" Green family home near Washington, VA circa 1780

WellnitzReeder — 2012-06-22 19:36:50Z

I found this doing research on my family. It is not my family, but it is very cool, so I thought I'd share. It is on the Library of VA web site. It includes a couple pages of description and two photos. Owners included:
1782- Frank Thornton deeded to James Green
21 Apr 1789- James Green deed of gift to son James Green
17 Jan 1835 James Green deeded to son Charles Green
Nov 1789 James Green estate divided to Ed. & Jas. Jett Green

The rest of the doc and two photos are available via the library web site http://image.lva.virginia.gov/VHI/html/23/0131.html. I attached a thumbnail of one of the pics.

Re: Atkins in Rappahannock

lbconk206 — 2012-06-20 04:59:56Z

Hi. I think we may have some people in common. My great grandmother was Dolly B(Blanche) Atkins. You have her as Dolly R. She was born in Rappahannock, Va in 1871. Everywhere I look it says her father was French L. Atkins but they have him being married to Sarah Bulstrode, who I cannot find any info on.It even states this in her obituary. She married William A. Conklin of McLean County, Illinois. I am searching for her ancestors. I have a civil war record on French Atkins, if he is French L. Atkins.

Re: ATKINS, FRENCH - 1823 Virginia

lbconk206 — 2012-06-05 00:12:30Z

Hi. I have a copy of a French L. Atkins, from Rappahannock County, Va., civil war muster roll dated July 18-28, 1861. I thought it was my family but not sure now. Please see attached file.

Re: Montpelier Thorntons

babyboomershere — 2012-05-31 15:02:33Z

This is an old thread, but hope you can give me some info. I emailed you also, but you could have a new email by now...
My grandfather was William Harry Thornton (b. 1872), son of William Henry, son of Stuart Gibbons Thornton. My mother's maiden name was Mary Carter Thornton. I had no idea of my family history, until I came across an old letter from my grandmother, after my mother passed away. Thanks, Lynne

Re: AA Families

ShawnRobinson40 — 2012-05-17 16:29:41Z

Any info on a Martin Phillips(wife Millie Phillips) who had a son Philip Phillips(wife Anna Lee Phillips) sons Jesse and Walter Phillips from Rappahannock?

Re: Lou Emma Johnson Catherine Johnson

kadotr — 2012-05-08 19:52:39Z

I am related to Louemma's sister, Laura Johnson. Contact me at kadotr@comcast.net

Re: Menefee Surname

gclarkmdandva — 2012-04-01 18:46:24Z

My gg grandmother was ELIZABETH GRAYSON CHINN, African American.
I think it was in the 1870/80? census that she was listed with the Menefee family.

Willing to share information . I would especially like to know about that time period that she shared with your family.
Thanks!

Re: Marshall & Thompson Families

gclarkmdandva — 2012-04-01 18:32:18Z

Thanks the names Kate and Pendleton ring a bell.

I'll keep looking for conections too.
Thanks!

Re: Marshall & Thompson Families

4thoseb4me — 2012-03-31 23:27:06Z

I'm thinking that maybe your Catherine was related to Wade's mother, Katherine Thompson. Still trying to connect. I haven't much luck with gathering info on Katherine before she married Lewis Pendleton. When I come across anything new I'll let you know.

Monica

Re: Marshall & Thompson Families

gclark125 — 2012-03-31 21:53:43Z

Just following up after years regaring the Thompson family from around Rappahannock. My g grandmother was CATHERINE THOMPSON ~ Her father was Burell. I believe they were related to your WADE but I'm not sdure how ~ could he have been her brother?

Re: Snape

jamessnape — 2012-03-27 13:49:06Z

Hi,

My family are from Lancashire. I think I've managed to trace a branch (James Snape) who left for Salt Lake City in 1871.

However, Snapes are quite common in Lancashire :)

Regards,
James.

Re: Burke Family

pauldsure — 2012-03-24 02:04:10Z

My grt grandmother was Nellie Burke sister to George and Elizabeth, I have parents for John as James Burke and Catherine Chelf married 1830 in Culpeper,

Johns wife Polly remmaried in 1882 in Rappahannock to Hezekiah William Veirs

I believe I got this info from census records, but unfortunately I dont have a subscription for ancestry but will tommorrow and post my source

Re: Burke Family

boblynnette — 2012-03-22 19:52:27Z

I have the same. Elizabeth is my ggrandmother. I know for sure her mother was Mary Ann "Polly" Burke, but the father is a mystery. Would there be a birth certificate for her that far back?