Hi Dot thanks for the reply.My GGGrandfather John Knowles was Wm Luff Knowles son.He was married to Elizabeth Gammon which means we have pretty strong DNA!!!(Eliza and Elizabeth are not one and the same are they?).I am pleased to hear that you are in touch with other Knowles' as I would be interested to know if any of them have any knowledge of GGGF John Knowles son Harry - my GGF.He went to South Africa early 1900's (why?) and died of TB in 1911.My grandfather Walter was 4 yrs old and was sent back to the UK and placed in an orphanage which he hated.Coming from such a large family I am troubled as to why none of the Knowles clan took Walter in (especially his GM Elizabeth).Perhaps your contacts can help me. Sorry it is me rambling now. Best regards Morag