Dear Paula, thanks for the info! My James is the one listed in this census. I suspect that James H. and S Helmer may be older sons that I was unaware of. I was mistaken about having info from the 1880 census. I have info from the 1860 census. If it wouldn' be too much trouble, could you check the 1880 census for any Helmers .Thanks again for the help. you've provided valuable new clues. Debbie Helmer