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Re: Jeremiah Chaffers-Welsh

BurnsMartin — 2013-06-19 06:31:06Z

Hi Leanne

The Jeremiah Chaffers-Welsh in my tree did go to NZ. Here is a little more info on him.

Born: 9th Feb 1842 Neston, Cheshire, England
Died: 6th june 1912 Inverell,NSW,Australia

I am not totally sure how long he spent in NZ but I do have record of him being in NZ from around 1879 to 1882.

Parents: Robert Abram Welsh and Elizabeth Chaffers
Wife: Helena Baker Kyrke

Zoe

Re: Ludwig Auguste Matuschka

bindybindy — 2013-06-19 03:27:44Z

Yes I have solved the mystery. Louis and Ludwig Matuschka are the same person.
Thanks for your reply, Bindy

Re: McCLYMONT

Heather Bray — 2013-06-19 02:41:54Z

I would be interested in any information on the family of Mary Gourley Tait nee McClymont.

living Fiveash relations

missiemell — 2013-06-19 02:40:45Z

I am seeking living descendants of Algemon Fiveash as i have some important info for them to follow up on.My email is missiemell@hotmail.com
thanks
Mel

Re: john leo mcdonald

KableWalker — 2013-06-19 01:37:17Z

Hi Terese
These people must be related but they are in South Australia which was included in droving routes for Victoria and NSW.
"ID: I216377
Name: John MACDONALD
Given Name: John
Sex: M
Birth: 21 Jun 1856 in Baldina, South Australia
Death: Y
Note: Birth record - Father : Alexander MACDONALD. Mother: Catharine MACMILLAN. Source: South Australian Births 1842 - 1906 Book: 8 Page: 273 District: Bur."
This may be a previous generation or a previous birth to his parents who died young. The tradition was to name the next son born the same name.
See: South Australian People at
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&...

Cheers
Kay [South Australia]

Re: Ludwig Auguste Matuschka

KableWalker — 2013-06-19 01:25:56Z

There are some similar surnames listed under "South Australian People", here:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&...

Some may be a branch from the Matuschka family but spelled as "Matuska", "Matuschke" etc.
There is an amazing mix of German, Polish, Austrian, Hungarian, Czech & Croatian families in South Australia. There are also people who have changed their names from "foreign" sounding names to very ordinary common names, such as "Ephraitt" to "Clark"! There was a lot of this around the World Wars for obvious reasons because the "foreign" names attracted detention in camps for the duration of the war, just as with the Japanese in Canada. Bad times.
Hope you have found some good clues!
Kay [South Australia]

Re: Jeremiah Chaffers-Welsh

corahlf — 2013-06-18 23:26:05Z

Hi,
Are you able to please provide some more information such as State, birth, parents, wife etc?
Was he the Jeremiah from New Zealand?

Leanne

Jeremiah Chaffers-Welsh

BurnsMartin — 2013-06-18 15:05:35Z

I currently doing some research on my family tree and concentrating on the Chaffers-Welsh side. Jeremiah was my 2nd Great Grandfather and I'm just curious as to why he changed his last name from Welsh to Chaffers-Welsh. I understand his mothers maiden name was Chaffers and his Fathers last name is Welsh. But I am just wondering why he changed his last name. Thankyou for reading

Re: Bellwood

Sad_Mushroom — 2013-06-17 23:21:51Z

Hi Diane,
It would appear both Geoffrey and Vera died in Queensland
BELLWOOD Vera Death notice 31DEC2002 Funeral late of Lawnton -Courier Mail (Brisbane)
BELLWOOD Geoffrey Funeral notice 24MAR2004 Funeral 79 late of Lawnton-Courier Mail (Brisbane)

After arriving in 1960 they went to Queensland as they show on 1963 Electoral Rolls at 102 Herston Rd, Kelvin Grove, QLD.

If you google Ryerson Index you will be able to request a lookup of the two death/funeral notices above.

Kellie

Re: Bellwood

jksdelver — 2013-06-17 18:15:24Z

Clock on my name above and use the contact facility I .may be able to help you if given some more details

Re: Bellwood

dianehemstock — 2013-06-17 14:56:23Z

Hi
i have been in touch before about the Bellwood name im looking for a Vera Bellwood , Geoffrey Bellwood who emigrated to Sydney in 1960 with 2 children Penelope born in 1949 in England and Geoffrey in 1954 England

Hope you can help
Diane .

Re: John McNamara & Ann Dunnigan

brenttricia — 2013-06-16 13:29:21Z

The only child that I know of is my GGF, John Edward McNamara, b.1873 in Holland, Erie County, New York, USA.

Re: John McNamara & Ann Dunnigan

Sad_Mushroom — 2013-06-15 23:14:36Z

Hi,
What were their childrens names?
There's really no possible way to search all of Australia abt 1830 and find the correct John McNAMARA.

If you provide more information on the children etc others might be able to find them on census or naturalisation records.
Starting the search in the US and working backwards is the only way to find what you are after.

Kellie

Re: John McNamara & Ann Dunnigan

brenttricia — 2013-06-15 12:35:42Z

So far I havent been able to find either of them on a census. Prob is the only place I know they lived for sure is Holland, NY in 1873. Thats the year and place my GGF was born. All records in town were destroyed by fire prev to 1880. Trying to get from NYS. Thanks for the idea. I will try to find census.

Re: John McNamara & Ann Dunnigan

Sad_Mushroom — 2013-06-15 06:46:26Z

Hi,
Have you followed them on US census?
I cannot find any which list a John McNAMARA born in Australia though.

Also the immigration and/or naturalisation records should help. Try checking at familysearch.org

Kellie

Re: William Drury (Druary) Dowers and Catherine Kerr

hardesra — 2013-06-15 02:58:08Z

Thanks everyone for your help :-)

It's given me a few new starting points so will keep searching.. I'm having "fun" with the Scottish and Irish records - everyone seems to have the same name aargh

Thanks again
Anne

Re: John McNamara & Ann Dunnigan

brenttricia — 2013-06-12 13:49:11Z

His son's (my Great Grandfather) death certificate says he was born in Australia.

Re: john leo mcdonald

mollipops1 — 2013-06-12 09:29:15Z

There isn't a marriage on the online database for him in 1925.

Is it this one?
2730/1926 MCDONALD JOHN L / PRIEST ALICE / DUBBO

I think he may be telling porkies on his marriage certificate. No birth found for him nor marriage for his parents in Victoria. It is possible he had changed his name.

Is this his wife's death?
28168/1944 MCDONALD ALICE / HARRY WILLIAM / MARY / WARREN

Matches this birth:
27285/1900 PRIEST ALICE / HENRY W / MARY / WARREN

NB Father is shown on his death as John Alexander, not Alexandra. There is a John Alexander and Catherine McDONALD (nee PATTERSON, no middle name) in Victoria around the right period but no child named Robert or John. They were in Nhill so wrong area anyway. They married in 1897 so I considered maybe she had a son prior to marrying John A but can't find it registered.

Re: john leo mcdonald

corahlf — 2013-06-12 09:04:06Z

Hi,
A very lengthy previous thread:

http://boards.ancestry.com.au/thread.aspx?o=20&m=7611.7....

Leanne

Re: john leo mcdonald

teresebradshaw50 — 2013-06-12 05:46:01Z

I GOT THAT OFF HIS MARRIAGE CERT

MARRIED 1925 IN DUBBO AGED 32

HIS FATHER JOHN ALEXANDRA MCDONALD
MOTHER KATE GRACE NOT SURE ABOUT SURNAME
JUST ORDER A COMPLETE COPY OF DEATH CERTIFICATE SEE WHAT IT GOT. DON'T KNOW WERE TO GO FROM HERE NOW

Re: john leo mcdonald

dj72green — 2013-06-12 05:04:38Z

You don't say how old he was. Do you have a marriage certificate? Death certs can be unreliable as someone else was giving the information. Is 'Grace' his mother's maiden surname or her middle name?

It is always a good idea to type SURNAMES only in upper case and the rest in lower case so that we can tell the difference.

His death reg. has his name as 'Robert' John Leo.

Debra

john leo mcdonald

teresebradshaw50 — 2013-06-12 04:38:02Z

trying to find any information on JOHN LEO MCDONALD
DIED 31ST DECEMBER,1964 BURIED 1965 AT WARREN

BIRTH PLACE STATED ECHUCA VICTORIA

PARENTS NAME ON DEATH CERTIFICATE
JOHN ALEXANDRA (DECREASED)
KATE GRACE (DECREASED)
HE IS MY GRANDFATHER AND I CAN'T FIND A THING ON HIM OR HIS PARENTS JOHN LEO WAS A DROVER MOST OF HIS LIFE.

Re: William Drury (Druary) Dowers and Catherine Kerr

buckingham0142 — 2013-06-12 01:42:36Z

Marriage certificates in Victoria SOMETIMES give you information on parents, age and place of birth. Not always.

Re: William Drury (Druary) Dowers and Catherine Kerr

buckingham0142 — 2013-06-12 01:39:17Z

William Drury Dowers died 1921 in Collingwood. Born 6 May 1838. Father James Theophilus Dowers. Mother Mary Caroline Drury.

Catherine Dowers nee Kerr died 1881 in Bendigo (="SRidge"). Year of birth about 1851. Father Peter Kerr. Mother Margaret Hamilton.

James Theophilus Dowers (1814-1885) married Mary Caroline Drury on 30 May 1836 at St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney, London, Middlesex.

James Theophilus Dowers baptized 22 Jan 1815 (born 28 Dec 1814), son of David & Elizabeth Dowers at St Margaret, Westminster, London, Middlesex. They lived at Orchard Street and he was a Labourer.

James Theophilus Dowers died Dec Q 1885 in Poplar, London.

1851 census:
James 37 born Westminster, London, Middlesex
Mary C 31 born Ratcliffe, London, Middlesex
William D 13 born Ratcliffe, London, Middlesex (William Drury)(JunQ1838)
Charles 9 born Ratcliffe, London, Middlesex (Charles Cowdery)(SepQ1842)
Ann 7 born Ratcliffe, London, Middlesex (Ann Drury)(MarQ1845)
Susannah 4 born Ratcliffe, London, Middlesex (Susannah Matilda)(JunQ1847)
James 1 born Ratcliffe, London, Middlesex (James Theophilus)(MarQ1850)
(After 1851 census)
George 1851-1852 (George Cowdery)(DecQ1851-DecQ1852)(buried 6 Jan 1853 at age of 13 months as George Cowdery Dowers)

Mary Catherine Dowers nee Drury died Mar Q 1858

1881 census
James (widower) 69 born Shadwell, London, Middlesex
Charles 40 born Ratcliffe, London, Middlesex

Catherine Kerr had some siblings showing up in the BDM records for Victoria:
James (c1857–1899 Melbourne)
Alexander (c1859–1867 Bendigo) (then known as Sandhurst, Sandridge)
Margaret Ann 1861 Bendigo – 1862 Bendigo
Elizabeth Ann 9 May 1862 Bendigo – 1948 “Tbury”
Flora 1864 Bendigo
(Twin) 1867 Bendigo – 1867 Bendigo (2weeks)
(Twin) 1867 Bendigo – 1867 Bendigo (1week)

Catherine Kerr’s parents are shown in this family tree as from Glasgow, Scotland
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/35884262/person/19403577153

Possible death for Peter Kerr in 1879

Re: William Drury (Druary) Dowers and Catherine Kerr

whimee1 — 2013-06-12 01:33:09Z

Hi!
William Druary Dowers was born in London his father James Theophilus Dowers, and Mary Caroline Druary. (a web site say birth 6/5/1838)
He died 1921 Collingwood
Catherine Kerr was born in Glasgow, her parents Peter Kerr and Margaret Hamilton. Catherine died 1881 aged 30 at Sandridge Victoria
They married 1868 in Victoria
Their children: Margaret 1868, Caroline 1870-1871, James 1871, Peter Charles 1874-1875, William Hamilton 1880-1881.
You have William Hamilton birth as 1860 but on official site it is 1880. Catherine would have been born abt 1851 so
she would not have a child at age 9.
Hope this makes sense and helps

Re: John McNamara & Ann Dunnigan

genknut1 — 2013-06-12 01:19:05Z

Cant find any ref to a John MCNAMARA baptised before 1836?

How do you know he was possibly born in Australia ?

Bye

MargM NSW

Re: William Drury (Druary) Dowers and Catherine Kerr

genknut1 — 2013-06-12 01:11:38Z

As warncoort1 said their marriage cert would give you info
Even the Pioneers CD ( BDMS of VIC to 1888) does . Says Catherine b Glasgow and William b London
Are a couple of Catherine KERRs in the VIC Pro passenger arrivals who came here as children in early 1850s . Again this marriage cert would help sort out if one of these fit . Costs $20 and can be downloaded

Bye

MargM

Re: William Drury (Druary) Dowers and Catherine Kerr

warncoort1 — 2013-06-12 00:40:14Z

The marriage certificate will give you the information you seek.Certificates are available to download from Victorian BMD.

William Drury (Druary) Dowers and Catherine Kerr

hardesra — 2013-06-11 12:53:20Z

Seeking information on William and Catherine who married in Victoria Australia in 1868. They had 5 children William Hamilton b.1860, Margaret Mary b.1868, Caroline Elizabeth b.1870, James William b.1871 and Peter Charles b. 1874. Any information about dob, parents, nationality etc would be greatly appreciated.Thanks!

John McNamara & Ann Dunnigan

brenttricia — 2013-06-07 01:21:02Z

Looking for any information on a John McNamara (b. approx 1830) in Australia. He married Ann Dunnigan (b. 1832) in Ireland. They settled in Amsterdam, NY, USA. They are my GGP on my father's side. This is all the info I have on them. Not sure if John left Australia and moved back to Ireland where he married Ann or vice versa. Any help appreciated.

Re: Alexander Inrig

annabaker11 — 2013-06-06 10:28:19Z

Hi

I did click on the link as you suggested. It is a shame that mother/fathers names were not listed, as this would have given confirmation that it actually was him.

Thanks

Re: Alexander Inrig

annabaker11 — 2013-06-06 10:26:30Z

That sounds about right, if it actually was him that boarded the ship. I did look up in the newspaper which showed passenger lists as you suggested.I did search for the electoral rolls you suggested as well.

I am wondering how you think he played football?? Couldn't find any information when I searched online.

Thanks

Re: Alexander Inrig

annabaker11 — 2013-06-06 10:22:36Z

Hi, thanks for replying.
I think he boarded the ship oronsay bound for freemantle on the 7/2/1925 (not 100% sure it is him, but from the residence he lived in before departure which is documented on the passenger list, it is likely to be him).

Thanks

Re: Alexander Inrig

mollipops1 — 2013-06-06 08:16:20Z

There is a Mr A INRIG who arrived in Fremantle, Western Australia aboard Oronsay on 10 March 1925 (NAA Recordsearch passenger search and NLA Trove newspapers).

He was living in Kalgoorlie area by 1936 (electoral rolls). Looks like he played soccer there (see NLA Trove)? It appears he did not marry.

Re: Alexander Inrig

corahlf — 2013-06-06 07:29:08Z

Hi,
There is the following death registration:
INRIG Alexander
Male
64
Father UNKNOWN
Mother UNKNOWN
Registered at PLANTAGENET
120
Year 1964
http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.a...

Leanne

Re: Alexander Inrig

corahlf — 2013-06-06 04:15:00Z

Hi,
Are you able to provide a timeframe and state for Alexander please?

Leanne

Alexander Inrig

annabaker11 — 2013-06-05 21:25:14Z

Hi just wanted to find out if any relatives of Alexander Inrig who emigrated to austrailia from scotland are researching on ancestry. Mother is Georgina Rosie, Father is James Inrig, one of his sisters was called Catherine (my great, great grandmother).

Thanks

Re: Bartlett family research - NSW 1800s

LindaLeoni — 2013-06-05 06:11:27Z

Dear Rhonda,

Yes I tend to agree with you that there may have been a grain of truth in the story however mostly been mixed up over the years as it was passed down.

I did manage to Google the Christ Church Cathedral Baptisms records for page 26 and to my luck and amazement somebody had scanned in the record book which I found here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/2448468396/in/set-721576050...

This confirms that a William Clement Bartlett was born on 20 May 1835 and baptized on 3 July 1836. Mother and Father listed as Clement and Mary Bartlett of Newcastle, NSW. Fathers occupation as sawyer.

The Free Settler or Felon site also has a listing for Clement Bartlett who breached a contract he was working on to cut Cedar.

Thanks again Rhonda. Without your guidance I doubt that I would have found any of this information out about Clement Bartlett etc.

My mother is visiting me today so I will show her all the research on Clement and see what she thinks about it all.

I'm really excited and determined to bridge the gap in our family!

Linda

Re: Aboriginal

chris_mcivor1 — 2013-06-05 05:01:34Z

Hi Peter,

I cannot go any further in Ancestory to view files etc as I have to join.

So was wondering what ever info you have could you send it to my email.
chris.mcivor@aol.com

I was also informed (see my info) that it was possibly Louisa that had the Aboriginal blood.

My son is called Peter.

Ty you for replying

Regards
Christine

Re: Aboriginal

peter_emmett — 2013-06-05 02:46:08Z

Hello Chris
Good to see you're on ancestry.com. I just yesterday sent you an email to your aol address (let me know is you received it) and today found this thread on the very subject. I have the same info as you re Henry Emmett and Mary Cupitt. I'm still confused about the Emmett and Broughton characters - the same or different. It seems unlikely that there were 2 Mary Cupitts though.

Peter

Re: Bartlett family research - NSW 1800s

RhondaEmbee — 2013-06-05 00:55:23Z

Hi Linda

I do hope you will locate the baptism records for Christ Church Cathedral, Newcastle,(Baptisms p.26) to see if there was a birth date recorded for William Clement BARTLETT.

Regarding family stories, there is often a 'grain of truth' in such tales though the re-telling of the event becomes somewhat distorted. But I wonder, in the early days (1840-1850) around Newcastle or West Maitland was the population small enough for everyone to know everybody? In which case, one BARTLETT family would hear something about another BARTLETT family?

"The First Bartletts - as narrated by Ted Bartlett (Edward Claude Bartlett, son of Claude Austin Kingsmill Bartlett)"
I found a family tree and this was Ted's link to the first BARTLETT in his family.
Edward BARTLETT b: 5 FEB 1845 d: 6 OCT 1916
SON: Edward BARTLETT b: 30 APR 1864 d: 25 APR 1923
GRANDSON: Claude Austin Kingmill BARTLETT b: 24 JUL 1891 d: 27 APR 1955
GREAT GRANDSON ‘Ted”: Edward Claude BARTLETT b: 22 SEP 1918 d: 1 SEP 1992

Rhonda

Re: Bartlett family research - NSW 1800s

LindaLeoni — 2013-06-04 16:08:51Z

Dear Rhonda, Debra and Mollipops,

Thank you so much for you input into this, it is extremely helpful.. especially your find about Clement Benjamin Bartlett which I am following up on now.

So far I have the following facts about William Bartlett thanks to my mother for her research:

Birth: 16 Mar 1836(obituary states 1837), Newcastle, Maitland district, NSW;

Marriage: 10 Jun 1865 to Georgina Grandesson, at Church of England in Inverell and registered in Wellingrove, NSW(1865/3407). Have copy of marriage certificate but parents names not listed. Marriage was witnessed by two people with the surname "Martini";

1866-1867: Worked as a shearer at Byron Station;

3 Mar 1880: Member of the Public School Board, Little Plain;

4 Apr 1900: Dingo hunting accident. Story found in the Inverell Times - Wed April 4th 1900;

Death: 16 Mar 1911 - aged 74, Little Plain, Inverell, NSW. Have copy of the death certificate. Parents named as Benjamin and Elizabeth. Mothers maiden name is stated as "not known". Informant is William's eldest son named William Harold Bartlett. Death due to Emphysema of the lungs. (1911/1857);

Information found about William's parents:

Obituary states that William lost his parents while an infant and was raised by a Mr Owen Evans of Maitland.

Possibility of Clement Benjamin Bartlett and Mary Elizabeth Jones being the parents.
The website called "Free settler of Felon", shows a number of listings in Newcastle for a Mary Jones (now Bartlett), wife of Clement Bartlett, having a number of court appearances due to drunken and disorderly behaviour and possible domestic violence against her husband. All listings were dated 1837, around the time of William may have been an infant.
Just speculating but if this was his mother then perhaps his home was not a safe place to be raised if there were domestic issues and alcoholism involved, therefore this may have been the reason why the obituary states that he lost his parents when an infant???

Clement Benjamin Bartlett: Arrived on the Neptune in 1818. Clement Bartlett sentenced to transportation for life for stealing a handkerchief belonging to surgeon William Dickinson.

Elizabeth/ Mary Jones (now Bartlett): Arrived on the Diana in 1833.(side note - Name not on muster roll, Too many Jones on - arrived agd 15)?

22 May 1834 - Application to marry. Clement aged 38. Mary Jones aged 17. Register book of Christ Church Cathedral, Newcastle.

Re: Courtenay Hele Fowell Sprye

dgood27 — 2013-06-03 11:32:55Z

Hi again Mollipops1,

I have just found an 'Henrietta Sprie' that died at the age of 3 in 1859, Victoria (reg # 6340). I guess this might be the missing daughter.

Did you find all this info through ancestry.com????

Thanks again for your help

David Goodwin

Re: Courtenay Hele Fowell Sprye

dgood27 — 2013-06-03 08:16:46Z

I am sooooo thankful for your response. Thank you for taking the time to find this information. I am somewhat pleased to know that I had not made an error somewhere after all. I was beginning to think that much of my information about my 'Sprye' heritage may have been incorrect. I try to be careful and accurate with all of my research.

Thanks again

David Goodwin

Re: Courtenay Hele Fowell Sprye

dgood27 — 2013-06-03 07:59:31Z

Hi there Fryerning,

Thanks for the reply and the information. I do actually have that information already. Mr. Courtney Spry's son (A. Spry) was likely to be Augustus Frederick Spry who was returning from overseas with hives of bees. Adding to the family collection I assume as they were apiarists in Brisbane.

The information you wrote regarding the marriage to Barbara Jane is what has caused me frustration. It would appear that he married in Australia in 1855, then married in England in 1860, and then lived the remainder of his life back in Australia. Possible, although unlikely in my opinion. Both 'Courtenay Sprye's' have a father, Richard, who was a captain in the army. The only way to find out what went on is to find information about Barbara Jane Matthews. No luck there though. Anyway, thanks for the help.

David Goodwin

Re: James family history

genknut1 — 2013-06-03 00:58:50Z

You MUST know more about him ? How do you know he came to Australia ?

Bye

MargM

Re: Bartlett family research - NSW 1800s

mollipops1 — 2013-06-02 04:50:57Z

Great sleuthing, Rhonda. Reckon that is a pretty good find to match details of the elusive William.

It is a very interesting case. There are several documents relating to Clement Benjamin Bartlett here on Ancestry, but they are private, not public.

Perhaps William was a cousin, rather than a brother, but over time the story has got muddled?

I agree that if a person died aged over 100, there would definitely have been newspaper articles and an obituary. Quite often articles about 80th or 90th birthdays back then too, as they were fairly rare and quiet an achievement (even more so than they are these days!).

The George Robert BARTLETT who married Martha SAXBY was a son of Robert BARTLETT and Sarah FOSTER, i.e. George was a brother of Edward, who married Ann SAXBY. Ann was a sister of Martha. Could be where the mixup stemmed from.

Re: Courtenay Hele Fowell Sprye

mollipops1 — 2013-06-02 03:35:35Z

From NAA Recordsearch, WWII enlistments:

SPRY AUGUSTUS FREDERICK : Service Number - QX983 : Date of birth - 14 Dec 1905 : Place of birth - BRISBANE QLD : Place of enlistment - KELVIN GROVE QLD : Next of Kin - SPRY MOYA

SPRY EDWIN DIGBY : Service Number - QX15111 : Date of birth - 09 Oct 1916 : Place of birth - SYDNEY NSW : Place of enlistment - CAIRNS QLD : Next of Kin - SPRY DIGBY

SPRY COURTENAY DIGBY : Service Number - 44577 : Date of birth - 26 Mar 1909 : Place of birth - ROCKHAMPTON QLD : Place of enlistment - BRISBANE : Next of Kin - SPRY FRANCES

SPRY COURTNEY HELE FOWELL : Service Number - QX5134 : Date of birth - 22 Jul 1907 : Place of birth - BRISBANE QLD : Place of enlistment - KELVIN GROVE QLD : Next of Kin - SPRY AUGUSTUS

Re: Courtenay Hele Fowell Sprye

mollipops1 — 2013-06-02 03:31:13Z

Courtenay was a miner in Gympie, Queensland by the late 1860s. There are newspaper articles about a court case involving him and other miners over a claim there at NLA Trove (in fact he was involved in quite a lot of court cases over time!). They had a further 6 children in Qld, 5 sons and a daughter, including:

The Brisbane Courier, Friday 7 February 1868
BIRTH
SPRY-At the North Pine River, Mrs Spry wife of Courtenay Spry, Esq., and eldest daughter of the late Richard Grey Chambers, Esq., of Cradly Hall Herefordshire, and Wysbourne Court, Worcestershire, of a son. [this is Reynell Digby - you may have these but if not Qld bdms are online]

In February 1869, he was granted a crown land selection of 41 acres, being an island in the North Pine River. By 1875, he had a selection at Gladfield, near Maryvale. He had grand plans to be active in public office, but was not altogether a popular candidiate:

The Brisbane Courier, Saturday 2 November 1878
We mean no insinuation of mercenary motives, or venal corruptibility, when we express our delight at learning that at a meeting of electors in that classical locality, Humpybong, Mr. Courtenay Spry, in answer to the usual crucial question, declared his perfect willingness to act officially in his country's service at the rate of £1000 a year, but nothing less. We are not opposed to Mr. Spry's or anybody else's candidature. We are simply expressing our pleasure at finding a man whose deserts require auch delicate balancing that the subtraction of a farthing would turn the scale. There is a certain amount of benevolence, too, about the statement which we may as well point out, lest it be not at once patent to the general reader. [there is more!]

In 1880, Courtenay Hele Fowell Spry was appointed Magistrate of Brisbane (published in The Darling Downs Gazette and General Advertiser on 5th July 1880, see NLA Trove). At the time of his death, he was a commission agent.

Some notices regarding his family:

Queensland Figaro, Thursday 15 August 1907
Weddings.
Aug. 3rd,-Miss Ethel Redmond, of Rosenthal, to Mr. Courtenay Spry, of Brisbane; at S. Mark's Church, Warwick. [this is Emily Olivia, who died in 1930]

The Queenslander, Saturday 30 January 1909
SPRY.—On December 81, at her residence, Chelmer, the beloved wife of Courtenay Hele Fowell Spry, and eldest daughter of the late Richard Gray Chambers (Indian Civil Service), in her 79th year. Home papers please copy.

The Brisbane Courier, Saturday 7 December 1918
MARRIAGES.
CRADOCK-SPRY.-The marriage was celebrated on November 29th, at the bride's residence, Clayfield, by the Rev. W. G. Pope, of William Henry, youngest son of the late Henry Cradock, of H.M. Dockyard, Portsmouth, Hants., England, also of 19, Abbey-road, St. John's Wood, London, N.W., and Henrietta Mary Digby, only daughter of the late Mr. Courtenay Hele Spry, of Madras, India, late of Chelmer, Brisbane, Queensland. Home papers please copy. [n.b. daughter Henrietta with 1st wife Mary must have died]

Queensland Figaro, Saturday 3 September 1927
The engagement is announced of Lydia, eldest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. E. Guhr, head teacher, Linville (late of Bell), to Richard, eldest son of the late Mr. Richard Spry, of Linville, and Mrs. Spry, of Scarborough.

The Brisbane Courier, Friday 19 November 1920
Many friends will learn with regret of the death of Mr. Riichard ("Dick") Spry, eldest son of the late Mr. and Mrs. Courtenay Hele Spry, of Brisbane, who passed away at Linville, on November 10. The late Mr. Spry, who was well known in Queensland cricket circles, is survived bv his widow, a daughter, and two sons.

The Brisbane Courier, Monday 27 January 1930
SPRY.-On the 26th instant, at her residence, "Flowerdale," Rocklea, Emily Olivia, the beloved wife of Courtenay Fowell Spry.

Queensland Figaro, Saturday 4 November 1933
The engagement is announced of Frances, youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Geo. Rainey, Chermside, to Courtenay Digby, younger son of the late Richard Spry and Mrs. Spry, Scarborough.

The Courier-Mail, Saturday 9 July 1938
EWART.— Ellan A. M. (Nell), on Fifth July, suddenly, Wife of J. S. Ewart, Nanango, and Daughter of the late Richard Spry, and Mrs. Spry, Scarborough, Sister of Richard (Dick), Spry, Linvllle, and Courtenay Spry, Inglewood, aged 40.

The Courier-Mail, Thursday 10 December 1942
SPRY.— The Funeral of the late Courtenay F. Spry, of Flowerdale Apiary, Compo Road, Rocklea, will leave the Funeral Chapel, 17 Peel Street, South Brisbane, This (Thursday) Morning, at 10 o'clock, for the Toowong Cemetery. Private funeral. JOHN HISLOP & SONS. Funeral Directors.

The Courier Mail, Tuesday 25 November 1952
SPRY. Augustus Frederick.— In his 90th year, of 'Earlston.' Woombye Street, Eagle Junction, on 21st November, 1952, loving Husband of the late F. J. E. Spry and loving Father of Dorothy, Ruby, Bert, Courtenay, and Charles.

Re: Courtenay Hele Fowell Sprye

mollipops1 — 2013-06-02 03:27:02Z

Hi David

Yes, they did marry in 1855 (reg 2648). They had a daughter named Henrietta Jane, born in 1857 in Collingwood (reg 271). Then another daughter in 1859 in Muckleford named Mary (reg 929). Baby Mary died aged 1 day (reg 4670).

Sadly Barbara died in Victoria in 1859 aged only 23 (reg 4680, so not long after the baby died). Shown as daughter of Wm & Jane MATTHEWS and born in Cornwall. All of these events are registered as SPRYE.

Barbara Jane MATTHEWS arrived in Victoria aged 13 in Nov 1849 aboard 'Nelson' with her parents and siblings (Wm 35, Jane 34, James 11, Mary Harvey 8, Amelia 6, Wm Hy 4 and baby Jane).

So it seems he returned to England soon after Barbara's death and remarried there before returning to Australia by 1862, when son Richard was born (reg 15925).

There is this outward shipping record:
SPRYE C [aged] 29 NORFOLK SEP 1859 LONDON SEP 1859 006

Not sure where baby Henrietta ended up? Looks like he married the daughter of one of his father's East India Civil Service colleagues. Probably seen as an 'appropriate union'!