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Re: Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Frid

DavidNiven89 — 2013-04-11 11:11:43Z

OK people, some progress on the Albert and Charlotte saga.
Debra and Kellie, you might be interested because you were not far off the mark.
Received tonight, a copy of death cert of Albert Edward Taylor that married Charlotte Fritz Brisbane 1901.
It refers to Allan and Jack Morton as sons unknown to be alive or deceased. They were very much alive I can verify that. Ol' Jack was a regular visitor to home. He passed away a few years after my dad 1980.Allan was still around Rockhampton. We have finally nailed it down, Charlotte Fritz is Charlotte Frid. I would like to find out about the "Robert Taylor" as on the 1912-14 electoral roll at the same East Lane as Charlotte. She moved to 241 Bolsover St which is virtually around the corner from East Lane.
Told you Debra, this is spicy love story material. I now have other source material to back this up. Charlotte did claim a pension[June 1918] for Allan & Jack from the Albert she shot through on in Brisbane. I don't think he was a nice bloke Debra. The other "Albert" or "ROBERT" died of wounds 18 July 1918. We're on a roll.

Smallwood-Onley-Taylor families

DavidNiven89 — 2013-04-11 01:24:24Z

Researching early Rockhampton families with ties to Taylor.
In Central Boys State school, Rockhampton,centennial book there is reference to these families. John Smallwood & Ellen Pittard married 14 Nov 1857 Sydney. Travelled by ship to Gladstone then overland to Rockhampton 1859.
Smallwood cousins- Onley's-Henry-George-Francis and Alfred attended 1862-1870. Their mother Jane Onley was a sister to Ellen Smallwood. They returned to Victoria early 1870's.Another cousin to attend was Albert Taylor, his mother was Mary Ann Taylor, sister to Ellen and Jane. She came to Rockhampton with 5 children after the death of her husband Anthony, in Victoria. Albert enrolled 1889.
Any further information gratefully received especially Albert Taylor... where did he go, what did he do? Did he stop in Rockhampton with family? What profession did he take up?

Re: Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Frid

DavidNiven89 — 2013-04-10 10:30:29Z

Thanks Debra, I think I need Sherlock Holmes on this one.
As I said earlier, I did find 2 distinct different Alberts and Charlotte's on 1903-1905 electoral roll Brisbane.
My contact in Brisbane is the same lady who has queried our claim to Albert Edward Taylor who married a Charlotte Fritz 1901.We now know that she is correct ,we are wrong as per her Albert's mothers death cert. Mate, it gets stranger as you mentioned on Albert 755 records that there is mention of 2 sons. I think if I remember correctly that is tagged on to Albert 657. These were the 2, Allan[1902]&Jack[1905] born Brisbane, the rest[3] born Rockhampton. The Albert 657 said on enlistment that he separated from wife. My contact has referred to her relations saying that he tried to find her after returning from WW1 but she was long gone. My grandmother[Charlotte]& Albert had to be around Rockhampton 1906 onward. My grand dad enlisted Rockhampton Feb 1915.
At least you have given me more than I had, I will pass the information along. I'm working very closely with the woman in Brisbane. You are very helpful Debra.

Re: Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Frid

DavidNiven89 — 2013-04-10 08:51:30Z

Debra, anything could be correct at the moment, who Knows?
The woman is related to her Albert Edward Taylor whose mother was Helen Taylor[Donald].
He claims he was separated before war[so the story goes] and even listed her as separated on his enlistment.

By previous do you mean children, if so, allen 9yrs and Jack Morton 6yrs. No mention of Phyllis. She is mentioned on her death cert.
This Fritz and Frid is getting to me. I don't know if I'm Arthur or Martha.
I can find evidence of Albert & Charlotte in Brisbane 1903-5,then nothing after that. Plenty of Alberts /Charlottes in Brisbane at that time. Another thing is that I can find Charlotte on Rockhampton electoral rolls but no mention of Albert Edward Taylor. He[or substitute] must have been around because I have the photo of him and my dad when he enlisted. My dad was only 3yr old. What I did find 1913-14 roll was Charlotte in East Lane Rockhampton[where dad was born]and a Robert Taylor East Lane Rockhampton.

It's weird isn't it Debra. Going by some letters written to Charlotte by him during war, he refers to her as wife and signs his name as A E Taylor, Albert or Bert. He even names the kids and sends his love from DADA. He mentions all of them by name even acknowledges Phyllis.
One letter has got a few of us wondering, it is signed your loving husband Bob. It's got the whole family scratching their heads.
Robert Taylor was still at East Lane when she moved to 241 Bolsover Street Rockhampton, not far from the East Lane address.
No more evidence of Robert Taylor after that.
This one might be for the too hard basket Debra.
Either that or it would make a good spicy love story.

Re: Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Frid

dj72green — 2013-04-10 07:00:59Z

On Claude's birth certificate, what is written for "previous issue"?

Debra

Re: Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Frid

dj72green — 2013-04-10 05:17:02Z

The other Albert Edward TAYLOR, a butcher, and his wife Charlotte HUNT, who were living in Brisbane, moved to Victoria and they both died there. This couple were considerably older than your couple. They can be followed in the electoral rolls, and Qld and Vic BDMs.

My thoughts at the moment are that Albert and Charlotte separated and she has taken up with someone else who has assumed Albert's identity. This is not particularly far fetched. If they were facing the prospect of him possibly not surviving the war, then they may have done it to ensure that she and children were looked after. I have seen a number of service records of men who were not married to their partners and there was a long process of affidavits and interviews just for them to receive a pension, and often it was refused. It would have been a smart move for them to pretend that he was the man she married and the father of her children. This is why I think it is important that you establish whether the man she married and the man who died in the war were the same person.

I am a bit confused about what lady in Brisbane believes to be true. Does she think that her Albert married Charlotte FRITZ but had no children with her?

Debra

Re: Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Frid

DavidNiven89 — 2013-04-10 03:48:11Z

Correction Kellie, On the death notice certificate of Charlotte Mahoney[Taylor] the list is:
Allen ... 44
Jack ... 41
Phyliss .. 38
Claud ... 34
Melvyn ... 31
I have it on file
Have you the right Jack Taylor ... Morton not Moreton.
As far I know, Jack did not have WW2 record.
Melvyn Carlisle did enlist ..discharged out unfit.
Dad passed on all the goodies in the old tin to me before his death in 1980[Alberts medals, letters[to Charlotte], cards etc] and in it there was a photo of Phyllis that always had me wondering. Why didn't he say anything?... they kept in touch apparently over the years briefly as I have photos of her & first born son in St Kilda Melb..
I'm trying to piece together what I can unravel from the letters. It does not matter to me or relatives whether Albert/Charlotte were married or not, My parents weren't and I turned out OK LOL. We had a happy family just the same. Have a nice day Kellie.
Thanks for the help.

Re: Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Frid

DavidNiven89 — 2013-04-10 03:47:06Z

It could have been that there were only 3 children in Rockhampton at her time of death.
Phyllis ... Geelong Victoria
Melvyn ... Brisbane Qld

Re: Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Frid

DavidNiven89 — 2013-04-10 03:18:41Z

Kellie, Claudes[my father]birth cert says:
B 10 Oct 1911... Father Albert Edward Taylor
Mother Charlotte [formerly]Fritz
Albert.. labourer .. 28 yrs b Sydney NSW
Charlotte .. 29yrs
Now I did find a sister to dad born Rockhampton 1908[unregistered birth]
The other 2 and now it starts to get a bit strange.
Allan ... 5 Nov 1902 ..Lady Bowen Hospital
Albert[father] ... 23 yrs [which makes him 1879 born] b Sydney NSW
Charlotte Fritz ... 21 yrs b Brisbane.
Informant Charlotte, mother, Hove st West End.

Jack Morton ... 24 June 1905 .. Cordelia St Sth Bris.
Albert[father]... 26 yrs. etc etc
Charlotte ... 23 yrs

Now here's the good bit....
Claud Montague Taylor ... have a look at age given for Albert on birth cert. It is 28 yrs. His enlistment age given on record was 32 yrs 3 months. If this is correct, Alberts date of birth would be 1882-3 and charlottes would be 1882 [when we know it to be 1879 reg 1880].Her B as given on the others also have her around 1880-1.
A discrepancy between years of birth for each Albert also.
It's a beauty isn't it

Re: Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Frid

Sad_Mushroom — 2013-04-10 02:52:33Z

Hi,
I think there is alot of confusion and some fibs that went on.
On a previous post David mentions that Albert and Charlotte also had a daughter in 1908 birth unregistered and other children,,,BUT on Charlotte MAHONEY's death notices/funeral notice/memoriam notices etc only 3 sons are mentioned.

These are the 3 children
1911/C10655 Claud Montague Taylor Albert Edward Charlotte
1902/B5758 Allan Taylor Albert Edward Charlotte
1905/B10571 Jack Morton Taylor Albert Edward Charlotte

If you search TROVE for Jack Moreton TAYLOR there is a picture of him in adds for ARNOTTS. States he is the son of Mrs Charlotte TAYLOR of Granville Street.

A possible WWII record for Jack but age is out...cannot see an apporpriate birth on QLD BDM for the age listed.

Kellie

Re: Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Frid

dj72green — 2013-04-10 01:35:04Z

Another example of the family using both names of FRID and FRITZ are shown when Charlotte's brother died in 1901:

The Brisbane Courier, Saturday 24 August 1901 page 16

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF QUEENSLAND.
In the WILL, of HENRY AUGUST FRITZ (sometimes called Henry August Frid), late of South Brisbane, in the State of Queensland, Labourer, Deceased. Notice is hereby given that, after the expiration of fourteen days from the date of this publication hereof, application will be made to this Honourable Court that PROBATE of the WILL of the abovenamed Henry August Fritz, deceased, may be granted to EMMA POSTGATE......

19 August

FUNERAL NOTICE.-The Friends of Mr. HENRY AUGUST FRITZ are respectfully invited to attend his Funeral, to move from the residence of his Brother-in-law, Mr. W. H. Posgate, 23 Melbourne-street, THIS (Monday) AFTERNOON, 19th August, at 4 o'clock, to the South Brisbane Cemetery.

FUNERAL NOTICE.-The Friends of Messrs. C.BOWLES, FRED. GARRETT, and W. H. POSTGATE are respectfully Invited to attend the Funeral of their deceased Brother-in-law, Mr. A. H. Fritz, to move from 25 Melbourne-street THIS (Monday) AFTERNOON, 19th August, at 4 o'clock, to the South Brisbane Cemetery.

His death was registered as FRID.

I think you need to accept that Charlotte FRID married Albert Edward TAYLOR as "Charlotte FRITZ".

If you search for the phrase TAYLOR, Albert Edward - Sern: 755 - Department of Veterans' Affairs First World War medical case file on the NAA website you will find a document which mentions two of the sons who were registered to Albert Edward TAYLOR and Charlotte FRITZ and the confirmation that the person who claimed to be Albert died of wounds on 18 July 1918.

Your problem is not with the marriage, but later down the line.

The minister who married Albert and Charlotte was David Forrest Mitchell, the Prebyterian Minister for South Brisbane. One of the witnesses, Grace, was his daughter and I think the other may also have been.

You said that a fellow researcher had found details of the marriage at the Qld Archives, but I think it was probably the Qld State Library. They hold some of the Presbyterian church registers.

I STRONGLY suggest that you try to obtain a copy of the ORIGINAL church register entry which should show their signatures to compare with the service records of both Alberts. Albert (657) used a very distinctive "T" in TAYLOR.

I would first try contacting the "ask a librarian" service at the state library (see their website for details - "Services", "Ask Us"). You have exact details without them having to search so they may just look up the record for you (they will do 2 hours free of charge, but will charge for a copy of the doucument). You just have to stipulate that the copy they have is not a quarterly return which will be all written in the same hand, it has to be the register that the couple signed. Otherwise you will have to try and access a copy yourself through the Uniting Church. Perhaps ask your fellow researcher if this is the document that they have already obtained.

Somebody is lying and you just have to find out who, and most importantly which one was the father of the children.

Link to associated post
http://boards.ancestry.com.au/localities.oceania.australia.q...

Debra

Re: Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Frid

Sad_Mushroom — 2013-04-10 01:05:21Z

Hi,
What info does Claude's birth cert state about parents ages/place of birth and marriage date/place?

Kellie

Re: Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Frid

DavidNiven89 — 2013-04-09 22:05:51Z

Debra, the marriage that I have, of which the family and relatives have also, It is Albert Taylor & Charlotte Fritz 6 Nov 1901 at the Manse Glenelg St. Sth Brisbane. We at one time claimed this as our albert. Not to be. Too many damn Albert Edward Taylor around Aust and Britain. very popular Albert Edward. At the time Albert was living Boundary st Sth Bris, Charlotte living Baynes St Sth Bris.
Marriage[I'd dare say registry]celebrant .. D F Mitchell
Witnesses ... Maggie A Fraser
Grace H Mitchell
Albert's father ... John Taylor [occupation Seaman]
Mother ... Helen Donald
Charlottes parents ... Henry August Fritz[labourer] & Amelia Shipley.
Charlotte states as being born Stanley Bris, Somerset today.
I think that they might have called it Stanley River.
Keep in touch Debra.

Re: Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Frid

dj72green — 2013-04-09 14:17:11Z

On the 1901 marriage certificate/entry (is it from the church registers?) what are the names of the bride's parents and the groom's occupation?

Debra

Re: Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Frid

DavidNiven89 — 2013-04-09 06:44:30Z

Thanks Kellie, I'll keep plodding along.
It's frustrating when you know he did exist.
But when or where did he come from, and from whom.
I've been into the local library checking postal rolls Brisbane. I haven't enough hours in the day I'm afraid.
I've got a fold up bed I'll think that I'd better take it along.
Thank you kindly for help.

Re: Smallwood-Onley-Taylor families

DavidNiven89 — 2013-04-09 06:38:14Z

Thank you Toni, That gives me information to work on.

Re: Smallwood-Onley-Taylor families

Toni_Eaton — 2013-04-09 02:42:26Z

Albert Henry Taylor (parents Anthony Taylor & Mary Ann Pithard) died in Brisbane on 11/2/1957. He married Ethel May Oliver in Brisbane on 6 May 1921. I am not sure if there were children.

Mary Ann Taylor (parents James Pittard & Ann Warr) died in Brisbane on 12/5/1932. She is buried at the South Brisbane Cemetery.

From 1913 onwards, Albert is listed on the Electoral Rolls as a music teacher. Prior to that, he was listed as a printer.

Brother George Anthony Taylor died in South Melbourne in 1943.

Regards

Toni White

Re: Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Frid

Sad_Mushroom — 2013-04-09 01:10:19Z

Hiya,
I have the QLD Federation CD 1890-1914 and there is nothing on it for your Albert and Charlotte,,,as far as a marriage goes.
Sorry

Kellie

Re: Albert Edward Taylor

DavidNiven89 — 2013-04-07 09:42:23Z

Debra, I have a copy of Marriage cert for Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Fritz. 6 Nov 1901 the Manse Glenelg St Sth Brisbane
Father .. John Taylor ...occupation Seaman Rites used... Presbyterian.
John & Helen were of Scottish nationality. Fifeshire & Perth shire
Now my grand dad Albert listed on enlistment as C of E.
This is what makes me think he has an English background.
Helen's death cert. lists children as
[by John Taylor]... Albert 55 , Percy 53, Helen 51, deceased 1 female.
[by Daniel Smith Adams] ... Daniel Smith 48, Sarah Smith 46, Jessie Gow 45, John Donald 44, James Donald 43, Thomas Stanley 41, George Forkes 40, Annie Stewart 38, David Richard 37.

Re: Albert Edward Taylor

dj72green — 2013-04-07 02:49:09Z

On the Qld BDM site just search the index for Albert's death from 01/01/1918. The result that comes up is a registration in 1922 for a death which occurred on 18 July 1918. Sorry I should have said that earlier - if you search in 1922 nothing will show as the 'hidden' data determines the results of a search.

Sometimes in a WW1 service record for a soldier who was killed you will see correspondence requesting that a death cert be issued to settle their estate and to organise payment of a pension to the family. The other document relating to Albert on the NAA website is a Department of Veterans' Affairs First World War medical case file and relates to a Bursary Scheme for his son. This document is also dated 1922, so perhaps the death cert was requested then so that he could qualify for funding from the scheme which was set up to help educate the children of fallen soldiers.

As I said, there is obviously something odd happening here. News articles and the electoral roll clearly indicate that Albert Edward TAYLOR, son of John TAYLOR and Helen DONALD was alive and well after WW1. He and his step brother George were living at the Dutton Park Camp in the 1940's - this was home to many men who were unemployed and of no fixed abode for many years both during and after the Great Depression. It was a very difficult time for many.

The brothers had a bit of a squabble in 1943 (see Trove) and when George died in 1947 Albert is mentioned as his brother.

The service records and age for (657) Albert are a match for the son born in 1879, whereas your Albert was born a little later around December 1882. As you said, soldiers did sometimes alter their age, but in this case there seems to be no reason for him to do so - he was neither too young nor too old to enlist. Added to that is the fact that we really do seem to have two different men here.

The (755) Albert's service records and the details in the BDM indexes clearly indicate that he married Charlotte FRITZ (also known as FRID), four sons were registered to this couple up to 1914, and he was KIA in 1918. The fact that he had the same parents as the other Albert is perplexing.

Normally I would say that it is just a coincidence, but you would then expect to find two John TAYLOR and Helen DONALDs having families at the same time and you would just need to sort out which children belonged to which couple. Unfortunately in this case this doesn't seem to have happened. Other children born around that time in NSW to a John and Helen are accounted for (if family trees are correct), those to a John and 'Ellen' are a bit harder to be certain of. Just because there isn't a registration of birth for another Albert doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Some questions:

Is anyone sure of the year of death for John TAYLOR? I see that Helen, Albert and Agnes went back to Scotland (1881 census), Herbert Percival was born there, and then Helen and Agnes returned to Australia the same year. (I can't see the two boys on that passenger list?) Then there is a four year gap before she remarries.

Is it possible that she had a child during that time with an (as yet) unknown father? Doesn't explain why both sons would be using the same name though. Do you have Helen's death cert? Can you tell us exactly what it says for living and deceased children?

Do you have (657) Albert's 1955 Queensland death cert? Does it give details of any marriages and children? His service record says that he was separated from his wife in 1915. I don't see a possible marriage in Queensland.

Did John TAYLOR have a particular occupation? Are you able to match it up with the certificates that you have seen?

Have you been able to compare family photos? Your Grandad with Helen's other sons? Even with different fathers there should be some likeness there with at least one of them.

The only other thing that I can think of is that your Albert may have been a close relative, but not a natural son. Perhaps John and Helen cared for him and were the only 'parents' he knew?

Debra

Re: Albert Edward Taylor

dj72green — 2013-04-07 02:11:29Z

Queensland is one of the few states where death certificates were issued for men who were killed in WW1. The index number is preceded by the letter "F" for these war deaths. This is the registration for your Albert:

Queensland Death

Registered in 1922
F8593
Albert Edward TAYLOR
Father: John TAYLOR
Mother: Helen DONALD

Editing to add that this man died on 18 July 1918, but registered in 1922.

Someone has given you the wrong info re the Albert who was still living after the war. You said his service number was 655, but I cannot find a TAYLOR with that enlistment number. (I have now worked it out, it was 657)

Charlotte may have been born a FRID, but it is clear that she was using the surname FRITZ. People used different surnames for a variety of reasons.

Debra

Re: Albert Edward Taylor

DavidNiven89 — 2013-04-06 23:51:07Z

Debra, where did you come across the death cert of Albert Taylor reg. 1922.
I wonder why it took so long for it to be registered.
I have passed your information along to Brisbane woman, she is going to Brisbane archives soon so she will investigate further. It is very frustrating looking at the family photo of grand dad in uniform wondering "Is your name Albert Edward"? "Who are your parents"?
I have actually found cousins through this site on family trees, I never knew that they existed. Dad had a sister born 1908 Rockhampton Qld[unregistered birth],he never said much about his family which is part and parcel of this hair tearing out job. She has sadly passed away 1986.

Re: Albert Edward Taylor

DavidNiven89 — 2013-04-06 23:19:33Z

Thanks Debra, my message means born at Stanley[Somerset Brisbane today] My apologies.
It is Charlotte Fritz that the other Albert Edward Taylor married in Brisbane 1901.If you are looking up the Qld BDM on website that is what I mean as incomplete as I have the marriage cert.. His parents are listed as John Taylor & Helen Donald. We thought this was our Albert for many years until the Brisbane woman sent us the death cert of Helen Adams[Taylor nee Donald].I have asked her to check Brisbane archives when she goes. She has said previously that the archives hold more information on BDM than anywhere on web sites. This schamozzle is very frustrating for me.

Re: Albert Edward Taylor

dj72green — 2013-04-06 11:51:26Z

Are you able to tell us anything more about this other Albert TAYLOR and Charlotte STANLEY? I can't see a marriage anywhere or a birth of Charlotte in Queensland?

I concede that there seems to be something a little strange going on here. Just to add a bit more colour to the story, I find myself wondering if Albert's brother Herbert ever amused himself by impersonating his brother?

Debra

Re: Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Frid

warncoort1 — 2013-04-06 10:23:11Z

Is she supplying a copy to you?Have you contacted Qld BMD?

Re: Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Frid

DavidNiven89 — 2013-04-06 09:46:16Z

The woman who is disputing the parents of our Albert has found the full transcript of marriage at Brisbane archives which has more than Qld BDM site on web. That is for her Albert Taylor and Charlotte Fritz 1901 marriage.
You may be correct as to a mis-transcription with Frid showing as Fritz. We hope to be able to find evidence of Albert Taylor & Charlotte Frid marriage so as to finally bed down his parents. Thank you warncoort1

Re: Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Frid

warncoort1 — 2013-04-06 09:12:47Z

Could Fritz be a mis-transcription in the index?Nothing coming up for Frid or Fritz on Qld BMD,though Fritz is on here.

Re: Albert Edward Taylor

DavidNiven89 — 2013-04-06 07:22:57Z

Debra, thank you for that information on death cert[WAR].
We have a woman in Brisbane who is disputing our Albert's parentage.
It turns out that Helen remarried after John Taylor's death in NSW. She married an Adams and resided in Brisbane.
Now the Albert mentioned was still living at her death in 1934.His enlistment was indeed 657[my mistake]. He returned after WW1 and resided with his mother for a period as he was not well. My Albert Edward 755 was on 1903-1905 electoral roll[sth Brisbane] with Charlotte Taylor.
The other Taylor was residing Nth Brisbane at the same time.
My Albert & Charlotte resided Rockhampton after that as they had 3 more children [including my dad].What makes it confusing is both Alberts married Charlottes. His Charlotte was born Stanley[Somerset Brisbane today],our Alberts Charlotte was born Rocky Water Holes Brisbane[Rocklea]

Re: Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Frid

DavidNiven89 — 2013-04-06 06:04:10Z

Kellie, what was meant:- As it is difficult to find complete BDM records on here and the Qld site would anyone have CD information on Qld marriages especially Albert & Charlotte[Frid] Taylor not to be confused with Albert Taylor & Charlotte Fritz Brisbane 1901.
This is the only stumbling block for me at the moment.

Re: Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Frid

Sad_Mushroom — 2013-04-06 04:02:01Z

Hi,
What do you mean by full record?
If you mean the actual information as to age and parents etc,,then that is not provided free anywhere..
You actually have to purchase the certificate to obtain those details..

When did your Albert and Charlotte marry?

Kellie

Albert Edward Taylor & Charlotte Frid

DavidNiven89 — 2013-04-05 07:53:52Z

If someone has a full collection of Qld marriages during period 1901-1903, please look up this couple not to confuse with Albert & Charlotte Fritz Brisbane 1901. Full records not on here or Qld BDM site. I would be very grateful as at dead end.

Re: Albert Edward Taylor

DavidNiven89 — 2013-03-24 10:48:52Z

Hi Kelly, I'm looking at all avenues regarding his birth.
Charlotte is definitely a Frid. She is my grandmother
It states that on her birth cert, she had to have a copy done in 1937 for some reason. It is corrected on marriage cert to James Mahoney. The marriage was witnessed by none other than Anna Robina Sarah Garrett[Frid] her sister.
The Fritz is plainly a mistake on recording. As for Albert, I have his photo with my father when he enlisted so we do know he existed lol. Her parents were August Frid & Emma Shipp.
Please as I have stated I know his war records and service no. I have all medals and such handed down to me from my father. Take no notice of my surname, my father was Claud Taylor born 1911.I'll work along the lines that you have brought up, illegitimate, born to 1st marriage, mother remarried. It's a long haul but I'll try.

Re: Albert Edward Taylor

Sad_Mushroom — 2013-03-24 08:02:49Z

Hiya,
Then maybe he was illegitimate or born to a 1st marriage....then mother remarried?

Are you sure you have the right Edward?

Do you have the marriage cert?

Charlotte that died 1946 was nee FRITZ...
Death
1946/C4011 Charlotte Mahoney August Fritz Emma Shipps
she was born FRID,,,,but all her children with Albert she is FRITZ.

His war records are 755...

Kellie

Re: Albert Edward Taylor

DavidNiven89 — 2013-03-24 07:29:22Z

Hi Kelly, that one is Albert Edward Taylor of Brisbane married Charlotte Fritz. His parents were John Taylor & Helen Donald [Scottish]. As I have her death cert stating her Albert was still living at time of her death 1934 ... age 55.
He was in WW1 also service no 655.
As for age on enlistment they used to put it either up or down. I have had a look at NSW site for births, marriages and death at a wide margin in dates to allow for, no luck. I am looking at maybe he came to Aust. with parents as a baby from England. Why I say English ... it is because of his religious denom.... Cof E.
I have all digitised service records[Rockhampton Albert]. I don't think all the BDM records are on the Qld Gov site. Lot missing. Still hoping.

Re: Albert Edward Taylor

DavidNiven89 — 2013-03-24 07:26:35Z

Tania, I doubt if there could be two Alberts born to John Taylor & Helen Donald. This has to be a mistake in recording.
Helen Taylor remarried when John Taylor passed away around 1883. Her other married name was Adams. I've seen her death cert and Albert did return to Australia after WW1, he resided with her in Brisbane for a while.
He was 55, when she died 1934, along with other sibling Taylors and Adams. The other Albert that you mention was a child. I'll keep poking along something will bob up. Someone must have some information regarding my Albert.

Re: Albert Edward Taylor

Sad_Mushroom — 2013-03-23 21:37:52Z

Hi,
Do you have their marriage certificate which should state ages,place of birth and parents?
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: Albert Edward Taylor
Spouse Name: Charlotte Fritz
Marriage Date: 6 Nov 1901
Marriage Place: Queensland
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1901
Registration number: B001454
Page Number: 25635

Alberts 60page digitised war records at National Archives state he was born in NSW and was 32years and 3 months old when he enlisted in February 1915..
That places his birth more around 1882/1883..(not 1879)

Kellie

Re: Albert Edward Taylor

DavidNiven89 — 2013-03-23 12:40:58Z

Leanne, I thought we had them down pat but it turns out to be wrong parents. we thought they were John Taylor and Helen Donald.
It has been proven wrong by Helen Adams[Taylor] death cert.
Her Albert returned from the first war in Brisbane and resided with her for a time. He was about 55 at the time of her death 1934.

Re: Albert Edward Taylor

corahlf — 2013-03-23 11:54:46Z

Hi,
Any idea of Alberts' parents names please?.

Leanne

Albert Edward Taylor

DavidNiven89 — 2013-03-23 10:38:35Z

Anyone with information on Albert & Charlotte Taylor resided Rockhampton 1908-1915. Anyone who had relatives with contacts or who knew of this couple. Albert Edward died of wounds France July 1918.My gut feeling is that Albert is of English nationality. Supposedly born Sydney NSW 1879 or thereabouts. Anyone who had a past family member of that name gone missing after that time. They were in Brisbane approx 1901-1905. Charlotte Taylor(nee Frid) died Rockhampton 1946. I do know of the Frid family tree. Thank you

Cross family Stanwell - Rockhampton

rojasim — 2013-02-22 05:36:24Z

George Cross & Anne Isabella Cross(nee Simpson)are buried in Stanwell Cemetery. Anne Isabella is my great aunt. Would like to make contact with any of their descendants

Re: George Victor Cruikshank

barry_CRUIKSHANK — 2013-02-13 04:55:38Z

Hey Brenda,
My name is Barry, George Cruikshank was my great grandfather, Lewis Grant Cruikshank was my grandfather. Lewis had three children with Dolly (I cant remember her madian name), Robin Ian Cruikshank (my father) born in 1950, Carol Woodward (she passed away about 4 years ago) and Lyn Heap. Robin has 6 children (two girls and four boys) with Jenny Peake, Carol had 2 boys with David Woodward and Lyn had two girls to Jeff Heap.

I don't know much about the family history before George and my parents have the family bible but I believe it is starting to fade. Do you have much information about my history before George?

Thanks
Barry

Re: rummeny

Sad_Mushroom — 2012-11-25 22:35:57Z

Hi,
We cannot access records for their children due to privacy laws and we are not allowed to mention possible living people on these boards.
You might find posting on RUMMENY/RUMMENIE surname board or Lost Family/Friends Board more useful.

Searching the Elect Rolls and National Archives, phonebook (as mentioned already) maybe even facebook etc could help you find these people.

Kellie

Re: rummeny

jackiegiltrap — 2012-11-24 04:22:53Z

thanks for that i already have alot of info on them but would like more about their children

Re: rummeny

look2c — 2012-11-24 03:12:40Z

Hi,

TROVE has articles on the family. The "Morning Bulletin" - Rockhampton, 23 Aug., 1934, has a story on the Rummeny/Luft marriage where parents names are mentioned.

White Pages lists Rummenys still living in the Ayr/Home Hill area.

Alan Mac.

Re: Adams Sarah of Rockhampton

Sad_Mushroom — 2012-11-23 22:24:36Z

Hi,
What type of information are you after?
You will find you get more replies if you are more specific...that way it saves people searching for info that you already have or are not interested in.

Kellie

Re: rummeny

Sad_Mushroom — 2012-11-23 22:21:31Z

Hi,
QLD BDM is online for various years.
Marriage
1934/C2743 Rummenie Heinrich Karl Georg to Luft Senta Charlotte

As you know he is listed on Elect Rolls to 1980 so will not be able to find a death on QLD BDM.

National Archives (naa.gov.au) have records for him. They are not digitised yet but you can apply to have them digitised or emailed to you.

1944-RUMMENY Heinrich Carl George - born 14 July 1909 - German

1943-Heinrich C G and Senta C Rummeny - purchase of property Ayr Qld

It might just be cheaper to purchase the marriage certificate as it should state his date/place of birth and his parents.

Kellie

rummeny

jackiegiltrap — 2012-11-23 11:04:19Z

am looking for any information on heinrich carl george rummeny who lived in queensland, he married senta charlotte luft and had a daughter linda and son conrad

Adams Sarah of Rockhampton

melymdesigns — 2012-11-12 21:27:42Z

Looking for any information on Sarah Caroline Adams
BIRTH:
22 Oct 1886 - Australia
PARENTS:
Henry Adams, Anne Keenan

Ryans in Rockhampton

SuzanneRyan1701 — 2012-10-25 02:28:39Z

Looking for information on Thomas Ryan who was a bullock driver and moved to Rockhampton in 1862 with his wife Ann and their children, James, John, Timothy and Margaret Ellen. Thomas seems to have died around 1873 but cannot find any death entry and have also lost track of John who was alive in 1871 but cannot find anything after that. Any information would be appreciated.

Re: Charles Colin Barker Parson's Point

KarenSpink303 — 2012-09-28 06:10:06Z

Colin Barker is my paternal grandfather I am also trying to track down any records for him, his parents or siblings.