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Re: Early Settlers to Carterton

AdelePentony — 2013-05-14 20:00:30Z

not sure if I have anything on this name or can remember if any buried at Carterton Cemetery, will get back to you thanks.. I know the name was in Carterton.

Re: Early Settlers to Carterton

b_j_sage — 2013-05-14 13:06:28Z

Hi my name is Brady Sage I'm the only son of James Sage (Jimmy) last grandson of Harold and Areta!Sage, I just found this while I was looking for my family history, Can anyone tell me more? I also have a few bits and peices of Sage family things like photos and old documents that date way back when that could help us peice the puzzle together?

Re: Victor John Simpson

Pump01 — 2013-04-28 07:28:11Z

Victor John Simpson was my G/Mother's brother, her name was Elizabeth Louisa Simpson. She came to Australia and married in 1903.
I am trying to find out more about the Toop family in Wellington. Richard Noah Toop was carpenter. Catherine Anne was his wife. She came to Melbourne and remarried after Richard died in Wellington.Any help on the Toops please???

Re: Victor John Simpson

Pump01 — 2013-04-25 05:12:57Z

Your reply says "Grandson". Can you please tell me more. Victor John Simpson was my Grandmother's brother.
I am trying to trace his life in new Zealand.
Sue

Re: Victor John Simpson

simpson_jesse — 2013-04-25 03:06:47Z

Grandson

Re: Descendants of John Charles Frederic Vincent.b.Jersey 1818

Jimvinkiss — 2013-04-11 10:27:48Z

JCF Vincent was my GGGG Uncle, brother of my GGG Grandfather. I have loads of info on these people, and getting even more as I'm currently doing some research in Jersey. If you didn;t know the Heath side was quite an influential family back then...

Re: Victor John Simpson

genesr4us — 2013-04-08 07:44:49Z

SIMPSON Victor John, Probate no. 4891 Pages 671-679
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19002-5161-85?cc=...

Re: Victor John Simpson

jogregory121 — 2013-04-07 11:01:35Z

New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1935

Name: Victor John SIMPSON - clemical worker
4 Clarke St, Otago, Dunedin
___________________________________________________________
New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1938, 1946 & 1949

Name: Victor John SIMPSON - clemical worker
Burke St, St Leonards, Otago, Dunedin
___________________________________________________________
NZSG Indexed Probates

Name: SIMPSON Victor John
Place: Nelson
Occupation: Retired. 67 yrs
Death Date: Jan 1952
Court: Nelson
Agency: AAOO
Series: 17072
Accession: W5410
Probate Number: 4891
Filed Date: 27 Feb 1952
Type: Will
Cemetery :Whakapuaka Cemetery
http://www.nelsoncitycouncil.co.nz/services/facilities/cemet...
Further enquiries to Archives NZ - Wellington
____________________________________________________________
unsure if this was his wife below as I couldn't find any records of them together.
____________________________________________________________
New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1954

Name: Elsie Simpson - Widow
17 John St, Brighton, Otago
_______________________________________________________________
New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1957

Name: Elsie Simpson - Widow
Name: Victor Wilfred Simpson - Storeman
17 John St, Brighton, Otago
_______________________________________________________________
If this is the same Elsie, maybe Victor Wilfred Simpson is their son ? looks like he is alive, maybe you could ring and ask him ?
http://whitepages.co.nz/w/100957970/

Victor John Simpson

Pump01 — 2013-04-07 01:15:47Z

I am trying to track the family of Victor John Simpson and Elsie McAndrew. Victor died in Nelson New Zealand in 1952. He married Elsie McAndrew in Port Adelaide Australia.
I have a photo of his wife and children but have no details on them at all.

Re: Groat.

efrancis150 — 2013-03-28 23:03:57Z

Hi Barbara,

There is a probate record for Adam Hunter Groat at Archives NZ. See http://archway.archives.govt.nz/

Early newspapers record the event. "Colonist" 3 January, 1871, states a crew member of the cutter, Dawn, fell overboard and drowned. The cutter was moored in the Manawatu river. "The Evening Post", 20 December, 1870, also mentions the event, but doesn't name the victim. These papers are available on line at http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/ I searched using the terms "drowned" and "Manawatu" within the months of December, January, 1870/71.

Groat.

bapkas — 2013-03-27 10:44:31Z

Hi
Can anyone please help me find any document's on a
drowning of my gg uncle Adam Hunter Groat b 1824 Pultenny town Wick Scotland, i find he drowned december 16 1870
in the Manawatu River wellington nZ. age 46.
any help much appreciated.
Barbara.

Re: Burial of those who died on board immigrant ships?

efrancis150 — 2013-03-17 05:10:58Z

My understanding is that they were buried at sea, as there would have been no means of preserving bodies. People were examined by doctors prior to embarkation in order to reduce the risk of epidemics, but even so, diseases such as scarlet fever decimated some ships. There were no antibiotics, conditions would have been crowded and the transmission of disease was not well understood. Food was not always the best for those in steerage, so diarrhoea was often a problem, especially amongst young children. Bodies were often buried within hours of death, sometimes with only the parents present. I have heard that in seas where sharks were prevalent, such burials generally took place prior to day break to minimize potential distress of relatives. Migration wasn't without its hazards! You may be interested in a book about life on the migrant ships, "Over the Mountains of the Sea", by David Hastings, published 2006 by Auckland University Press.

Using the name "Indian Queen" a search of the NZ database of old newspapers, PapersPast, produced an article with log details of that particular voyage of the Indian Queen. See Daily Southern Cross, 17 February 1857 at http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz

You will find other news items in the same database regarding the "Indian Queen" - apparently many passengers travelled on promisory notes that they would be employed as soon as they arrived - this money being used to repay their fares. These promises were not necessarily honoured. I have found one reference in the Petone Settlers' Museum database which states all 405 passengers were "assisted" immigrants.

There are also about 100 references to "Ollerenshaw" in the PapersPast database.

Burial of those who died on board immigrant ships?

Family_Past — 2013-03-14 12:42:49Z

The Ollerenshaws were said to have sailed from Liverpool on the Indian Queen, 1 Nov. 1856, arriving at Wellington 30 Jan. 1857. They had a daughter, Hannah Ollerenshaw, who was born in the spring of 1854, Stockport, Cheshire, UK. I have not found a UK death record for her or any record in NZ. Around 20 children died of measles on that voyage and I suspect Hannah was a victim. Would the deceased have been buried at sea or would they have been buried at Wellington upon arrival. Apparently no actual manifest survives of this voyage and no accounting that I have found mentions the Ollerenshaw family but I think that is because they came with their own means and did not owe the government as many others did.

Re: Looking for Horace James Abbott

tonyfuller132 — 2013-03-08 11:49:37Z

Arthur James Abbott married Coraline Elsie Maud Neilson in 1907.

I found an Arthur Abbott arriving in New Zealand aged 5 in 1874 with his parents and six siblings. This could be him. His father (Henry) is listed as a Navvy from Warwick in England. A Navvy is someone who builds railways. If this turns out to be your gg grandfather, I can send the ship's immigration log if you want it.

Tony in Christchurch

Re: Looking for Horace James Abbott

genesr4us — 2013-03-04 21:28:20Z

you're welcome, i suppose any little bit may help, so don't know if you've got this or not, i'll put it in anyway.

Karori Cemetery (Inscriptions) - Wellington
Area/Block/Row/Plot 06/D/04/010
Description
In Loving Memory Of Ivy Emma Jean beloved wife of Horace J ABBOTT died 17September 1973 age 65.
Horace James beloved husband of Ivy Emma Jean ABBOTT died 30 August 1963 age 56.
Richard beloved husband of Alice Jean JONES died 13 June 1940 a 68.
Alice Jean beloved wife of Richard JONES died 3 November 1951 age 73.
Further enquiries to Wellington Branch - NZSG

Re: Looking for Horace James Abbott

budoblonde1 — 2013-03-04 10:18:52Z

Many thanks
Its a starting point, so we now know his father was deceased at this time and also lived in Wellington

Re: Looking for Horace James Abbott

genesr4us — 2013-03-04 09:41:16Z

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&...--

Looking for Horace James Abbott

budoblonde1 — 2013-03-03 01:45:32Z

I am very new to family research
My grandfather was Horace James Abbott. He was apparently born around 1907 in Wellington. He worked as a plumber at A&T Burt in Wellington NZ. He married my grandmother Ivy Jones and he died in Wellington NZ in 1963.
All we have to go on with his family is that his mother was Coral, Coraline, or Carol Brown(e).
He is proving very hard to research.
Its almost like he did not exist prior to his marriage.
Any clues would be most welcome.

John Sidney Newman

1_rusty1988 — 2013-02-17 22:44:43Z

Hi

I am looking for any information on John Sidney Newman born 1926 St Pancras, England to parents William Walter Newman and Mary Bridget Dowling. He married in New Zealand having 2 families there and was living in Wellington for some of that time.

ss ionic

tamzintravis1 — 2013-02-09 08:14:01Z

Hi there for those who want to know. I have just found my relatives on this ship. the best place to look in find my past just put in the last name you are looking for and have a go. keep in mind the yrs may vary a little as mind did. but it is definately them so good luck everyone. google ss ionic you will be surprised what you can find.

Re: Walter Budd, Masterton

tonywakeham1 — 2013-02-03 06:55:52Z

hi jason,
we are researching the budd family tree. My wife denise's grandmother was beatrice gilbert, nee budd.
We would be interested in finding out the english side and can send you the info we have on our side.
The best email to reach us on is tonywakeham@optusnet.com.au. We now live in Brisbane australia . Denise's dad's name is Keith and he had a brother Desmond. They lived in Kibblewhite rd, masterton.
Would be keen to talk to you. It seems our family is spread far and wide
kind regards,
Tony and Denise Wakeham. Denise's mauden name is Gilbert.

Rea Harry & Sadie

cew2014 — 2013-02-01 20:30:58Z

Hi:

I’m researching Harry Rea and his wife Sarah (Sadie).

Harry b.1874 was the son of John & Elizabeth Rea living at Stapleford Nottingham England in 1881 and the family moved to New Zealand after that date. Possibly to Greytown Wellington.

Sarah born about 1871 in New Zealand a widow and previously married to Louis Dawson. She was the 3rd daughter of Thomas & Sarah Montague of Dunedin Otago. Some when she may have also lived in Christchurch Canterbury area.

It appears in 1923 Harry was proprietor of the Golden Age Hotel at Bluff and Sarah had also worked in hotels, although they both died in Dunedin in 1942 & 1939 respectively.

A Memoriam in 1943 for Harry came from his sisters & brothers Mrs. M Sutton, Mrs L Varnham, Mr L Rea (Wellington) Mr J Rea (Brisbane).

I’d like to know if Harry & Sarah had any children of their own or if a relative saved any photo’s of them or anything else you think might be of interest.

Thank you.

Re: Death Entry Look Up - James Hardie

rndmedals — 2013-01-25 01:58:44Z

Thank you for all this information, you have helped prove this is not the man I am after. Without you help, and the data you have provided, I would never have been able to tell for certain! Thanks again and best regards, Steve

Re: Death Entry Look Up - James Hardie

kiwileprechaun — 2013-01-25 00:59:28Z

There was a James HARDIE who died in NZ on 29 June 1912, though the age given is 68yrs, however this information is only as reliable as the person supplying it.

1912/1533 Hardie James 68Y

You can search for historical NZ BDMs at this website:
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/home/

There are date limitations which vary depending on what you are looking for, see the FAQs for further info.

That James HARDIE is buried at Karori Cemetery in Wellington. This is a link to his burial entry:
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/search/det...

It gives his occupation as "Valuer". The inscription on his headstone reads:
STTMO James HARDIE b Simpirn, Berwickshire,
Scotland 26 Oct 1842 d Wellington 29 Jun 1912. Also
Jessie bw of the above b Strathhaven, Scotland 22 Dec
1849 d at Karori 7 May 1931.
(Sourced from NZSG Cemetery Records collection)

There is a NZ marriage for a James HARDIE to a Jessie WILSON:
1870/8580 Jessie Wilson James Hardie

The other important website for NZ Research is PapersPast which has historic NZ papers online and searchable (for FREE!).
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast

This is his death notice:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&...--

The death notice suggests they were living in Dunedin prior to moving to Wellington.

On BDM I have found 7 possible children for this couple:
1880/7093 Hardie Robert James Scott /Jessie /James
1885/8612 Hardie Anges Wight /Jessie /James
1877/10519 Hardie Jessie Wilson /Jessie /James
1886/13268 Hardie Vallance Cochrane /Jessie /James
1883/9108 Hardie Alexander St Ninian /Jessie /James
1872/35154 Hardie Catherine Jane /Jessie /James
1874/22333 Hardie Isabel Josephine /Jessie /James

Re: Possible Look Up?

Rebecca_Newett — 2013-01-25 00:58:12Z

Thanks ever so much! :)

Re: Possible Look Up?

kiwileprechaun — 2013-01-25 00:42:05Z

George married Eileen Beryl JOHNSON in 1951. Eileen died in 1965. This is her death registration:
1965/38065 Worthington Eileen Beryl 36Y

Eileen was cremated at Purewa in Auckland. This is a link to the online search entry:
http://www.purewa.co.nz/details.asp?id=56573&type=Cremat...

The funeral directors who dealt with Eileen's death are still in operation, it might be worth sending them an email to see if they can provide any further info, such as a death notice:
http://www.fountainsfunerals.co.nz/aboutus.htm

This is the link for the NZ Whitepages online. If you search WORTHINGTON in Auckland, you will find an entry that matches the initials you are after:
http://whitepages.co.nz/

Death Entry Look Up - James Hardie

rndmedals — 2013-01-24 23:49:10Z

Hi all, I don't know how easy this is or what information may be available but I am following up on a lead that a person I am researching (James Hardie, born c.1840 at Swinton, Berwickshire, Scotland) died in Wellington 29th June 1912 (aged 72).

I have never encountered NZ records before, is there any way of confirming / eliminating this line of enquiry?

Any advice or pointers will be much appreciated,

Thanks and regards, Steve

Re: Carey again

adkissling — 2013-01-23 22:23:27Z

Hi Laurenne,
Thanks for contacting me. I have a bit on Nicholas but sadly nothing that you asked for. It also turns out he is not a relation of mine but I do have some information. If you want to email me I can send you some of what I have collected. I will send my email in a private message.
Thanks!
Alison

Re: Carey again

laurennefleur — 2013-01-23 10:11:52Z

Hi there
I was wondering if you could be any info on nicholas carey.
particularly parents names, exact birth date, and where in greece he was born.. basically im after as much info about him and his family that i can hold my hands on! :)
Thank you for your time :)
Laurenne

Possible Look Up?

Rebecca_Newett — 2013-01-22 23:13:23Z

Hi, I was wondering whether someone could help me.
As I don't have the full worldwide membership, I am unable to trace one of my ancestors on his arrival to Wellington.

I have attached the record that I have gathered from my research.
His name is: Mr George Eric Worthington (however, on the record transcription, they had put Erie instead of Eric) so might come under that.
He was 23 years old when he left, and did not travel with any family members. He is originally from Liverpool, Wavertree to be precise. He left from Southampton on the 3rd August 1950.

He has never returned to the UK, and is still alive today. I am unaware as to whereabouts he lives. I also believe that he has been married twice. Once to a lady called Eileen, surname unknown and his new wife we were not aware of. A family member told us that he is now a widower.

If anybody could help me on locating George, it would be a real help. I would like to know when he arrived into port and possibly where he lives now if the search is not too hard!

Thanks!
Becky Newett

Re: Norton /Kilworth families

jonno142 — 2013-01-21 11:17:46Z

Hello,Thank you very much,that's helped a lot. At least I now know whereabouts they lived.
I'll make further enqs re those probate files etc, but once again thank you for your time and effort
Regards
John.

Re: Norton /Kilworth families

kiwileprechaun — 2013-01-19 08:42:50Z

(cont. from previous post)

A probate file for George is available at the Auckland office of Archives NZ:
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=688...

The 1957 electoral roll (Piako electorate), all still at the Tramway Rd house:
Albert, now retired
Annie, housewife
Leonard, joiner
Phyllis, married
Stanley, moulder

The NZ Archives has an intriguing file listed from 1962:
"Ronald William Norton an infant suing by his Guardian ad Litem Leonard Albert Norton of Hamilton, joiner v Ralph Michael Sutton of Putaruru, farm-hand"
This is the link to the file listing:
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=233...
(Note: that this file is restricted and would require special permission to access)

The 1963 Hamilton electorate gives, living at 191 Tramway Rd,
Albert, retired
Ann, married
Stanley, moulder

Leonard (joiner) & Phyllis are now living at 22 Masefield Drive, also in the Hamilton electorate.

The 1969 Raglan Electoral roll is also interesting:
191 Tramway Road - Albert, Annie & Stanley
193 Tramway Road - Ronald William Norton (painter) & Nola Joan Norton (married)
22 Masefield Drive - Leonard & Phyllis

Annie died in 1974:
1974/34733 Norton Ann 3 August 1884

Albert died in 1976:
1976/37270 Norton Albert DOB:11 June 1883

Both were cremated at Hamilton Park, Hamilton.

Albert's probate file is at Archives in Auckland:
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=166...

Annie's probate file is also at Archives:
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=166...

Stanley died in 1975:
1975/27694 Norton Stanley DOB:13 October 1918
Stanley was also cremated at Hamilton Park

Stanley's probate file is at Archives in Auckland:
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=166...

The 1978 Hamilton East electoral roll shows the following:
Leonard & Phyllis at 22 Masefield Dr, Leonard is now retired.
Ronald William (painter) & Nola Joan at 193 Tramway Rd
Clifford Charles NORTON (painter) & Janne Marshall NORTON (housewife) living at 191 Tramway Rd

Phyllis died in 1978:
1978/32117 Norton Phyllis Helen DOB: 9 February 1917

There are two probate files for Phyllis, one lists her as a widow, one as a married woman:
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=166...
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=166...

Leonard died in 1993:
1993/30791 Norton Leonard Albert DOB: 22 March 1909

Leonard's probate file:
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=215...

Hope that helps. The probate files may well contain further info.

Re: Norton /Kilworth families

kiwileprechaun — 2013-01-19 01:05:12Z

I have not had any luck finding the family in Wellington, apart from one reference to Leonard passing a music exam:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&...--

To get ages, I found the family in the 1911 UK Census. Listed with the family was another son, George Robert NORTON, who was 3 months old at the time of the census. However he didn't appear on the passenger list for the Arawa that his mother & brother came out on.

The first record I can find of the family is in Hamilton:

Electoral Rolls 1925, 1928 & 1935 - Hamilton electorate:
Norton, Albert, Tramway Rd, Claudelands, painter
Norton, Annie, Tramway Rd, Claudelands, married

1935 is the first year that Leonard appears on the rolls.
He appears in the Raglan electoral roll as follows:
Norton, Leonard Albert, Paterangi, Ohaupo, farm hand

Also in Raglan is the following:
Norton, George Robert, Mill Rd, Ohaupo, farm labourer

Leonard then appears in the 1935 Hamilton Electorate Supplementary roll as a joiner living with this parents.

The 1938 Hamilton electoral roll has the family back living together in Tramway Road, Albert is a painter, Leonard a joiner and George is a painter.

In 1939, Leonard married Phyllis Helen LAMBERT (folio 10474)

The 1946 electoral Piako roll is interesting (same house, just an electorate boundary change). The family are at Tramway Road as follows:
Albert - painter
Annie - married
George Robert - painter
Leonard Albert - joiner
Phyllis Helen - married
Stanley - moulder

Now just who Stanley is, I'm not sure? Maybe they had another child after their arrival in NZ? The rolls are exactly the same in 1949.

George Robert does not appear to have married. He died in 1952 and was buried at Hamilton East cemetery.

http://www.hamilton.co.nz/our-services/do-it-online/cemetery...

(Have some further info but have to go - will post again later)

Norton /Kilworth families

jonno142 — 2013-01-16 19:51:46Z

Hello, Am trying to trace relatives of Albert E Norton and his family who came to NZ in 1912-14
Albert travelled out in 1912 to Wellington,then his wife Annie(nee Kilworth) and son Leonard came out in 1914,again to Wellington.They were originally from Leicester in the UK.

Any help would be appreciated,
Regards John lovett

Re: Nicholls Whanau

cjn1100 — 2013-01-07 05:02:15Z

My name is Chris Nicholls son of John David Nicholls.
I would like to understand more about my fathers perants, as I beleive my father aws renamed after adoption to Mr and Mrs Nicholls?

Re: St Joseph's orphanage Hill St Wellington

kiwileprechaun — 2013-01-03 21:48:20Z

It appears that there was also a St Joseph's Orphanage in Upper Hutt, also run by the Sisters of Mercy. I'm not sure if they were completely separate or if the Hill St one was relocated to the Upper Hutt site.

Article and Photos from the Upper Hutt one here:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&...--

Re: St Joseph's orphanage Hill St Wellington

kiwileprechaun — 2013-01-03 07:05:58Z

As the orphanage was run by the Sisters of Mercy it may be the best to contact them to find out where their archives might be located. The Sisters of Mercy still have a convent in Hill Street. The national body also has a facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/mercynz

Otherwise, try contacting the Catholic Archives for Wellington:
http://www.catholic.org.nz/about/dsp-organisations.cfm?loadr...

I know that the Wellington Archives were being managed by a Mercy Sister a couple of years ago, and this may still be the case.

St Joseph's orphanage Hill St Wellington

msmarieresearch — 2012-12-28 19:37:59Z

I am trying to find information about St Joseph's orphanage Hill St, Wellington about 1900 -1905. Mother Borgia a Mercy sister was in charge. I have the article about the laying of the foundation stone from papers past 1891. And a digital military file from Archives NZ, for JAMES WALSH SA war that contains a letter from his sister MAY WALSH which refers to the orphanage. ROSE and ELIZABETH WALSH attended after the death of their father, MARTIN WALSH of Palmerston North on the 16th Oct 1900.
Looking for any additional information - pictures, accounts, records. Many thanks for reading.

Sammuel Keeble and Eliza Francis Amy Apted

DaphneMcCartney — 2012-12-18 23:58:06Z

Now know that Samuel married Eliza in 1884 (Lyttelton)and that they had the following children.
Rosa Eliza b1885 married William Copeland
Samuel Edwin b1887 married Rosina Lois Kellaway
Amy Myra b1888 married Thomas Francis Thompson
Grace Susan b1890
William Apted b1893
Francis Harold b1897 (All above born Lyttelton)married Charlotte Christina Powell
Female b1899 Wellington
Sadie Coromandel b1901 Wellington married Norman Wallace Rowe
I would appreciate any information about these people. Thank you.

Captain Samuel KEEBLE

DaphneMcCartney — 2012-12-18 23:57:29Z

Searching Samuel KEEBLE (Mariner, born Essex England about 1842 ) ? died 1909 in Wellington. Also whether married after 1884 in NZ and whether descendents. Appreciate any info.

Re: Andrew Brown B. 1823 Camberwell. D unknown

JCWgtnNZ — 2012-12-03 07:01:15Z

Hello Rita

Think I might just be able to help you - John Compton was my great great grandfather. Please contact me at jcjvl@xtra.co.nz. Regards Jill Compton

Re: Grady - jewellers/watchmakers, Willis Street, Wellington, 1880-1922

JCWgtnNZ — 2012-12-01 20:09:43Z

Hello all
I am interested in the Grady connection (Frank the silversmith and his family) and what you may have learnt. Frank Grady the silversmith was an uncle of my grt grandmother Kate Compton nee Moody. Frank's son Francis is buried in Bolton St cemetery here in Wgtn NZ with my g.g.grandparents Charles & Matilda Moody. I can be contacted at jcjvl@xtra.co.nz. Regards Jill

Re: Andrew Brown B. 1823 Camberwell. D unknown

johnwho1 — 2012-11-18 10:16:18Z

Thanks for your reply, sorry for delay in returning to you.

I know that Andrew was a Green Grocer or Fruiterer in the UK but I dont know what occupation John Compton followed.
Andrews children who sailed witth him were, Selina b.1847.
Mary Gibson Matilda b.1850 Eliza.Harriet b.1852.
One stayed behind was Andrew Charles b.1854 One child b.1856 in NZ was Charles Gibson.

We do have some evidence of them being in the UK around 1865 as for some reason Selina was being Baptised in St Giles Camberwell aged 18.

I believe the Andrew Brown living on Porirua Road may have been a cousin.
I might also add Andrews father also Andrew
came to NZ in 1839 and returned to UK 1854, he died soon after returning from Cholera.
He took at least 2 children that I know of to NZ with him David b.1823 and John b.1820, there may have been more.
He was a widower

Thank you for your time

Re: Andrew Brown B. 1823 Camberwell. D unknown

kiwileprechaun — 2012-11-17 21:50:24Z

Do you have any idea what occupation Andrew BROWN or John COMPTON might have undertaken?

I have found an Andrew BROWN on the Jury lists for 1857, 1858, 1859, occupation given as a "licensed victualler", residing on Lambton Quay.

There is also an Andrew BROWN, a labourer, living on Porirua Road - he appears in the 1856 - 1859.

There is also entries for 1856-1859 for a John COMPTON, carpenter, living on Lambton Quay.

Do any of these sound likely matches for your men?

Re: Andrew Brown B. 1823 Camberwell. D unknown

kiwileprechaun — 2012-11-17 21:27:05Z

What years were the daughters born? Just to give an age reference.

Re: Andrew Brown B. 1823 Camberwell. D unknown

kiwileprechaun — 2012-11-17 21:21:41Z

If I have the right marriage, Selina BROWN married John COX in the UK in the Mar Qtr 1871.

Was the son born in Wellington named Charles Gibson BROWN? If so, then he was born in 1856.

Do you have any other information about the family's time in NZ which would help narrow the timeframe down?

Andrew Brown B. 1823 Camberwell. D unknown

johnwho1 — 2012-11-17 14:09:32Z

I wonder if there is anyone who can help me with my research into the Brown side of my family.
My 2nd Gt Grandfather left for New Zealand in Oct 1854 on the Royal Stuart. Taking with him 3 daughters, Selina, Matilda & Eliza But not his wife Harriet Compton or a son Andrew.
Also on board was his Brother-in-Law John Compton and 2 of his sons Andrew and Charles.
Harriet may have sailed later as there was a son born in Wellington. BUT they all came back to the UK, on unknown date and that is what I am trying to find out.
They dont appear on the 1861c in the uk but are on the 1871c and are all using the surname Grant? Except for Selina who is married to a John Cox.
If anyone can help or even tell me where I could look to find the information I need I would be most grateful.
Rita (Cox) Woodcock

Re: Samuel Parker bap Newcastle on Tyne, All Saints, 1822

MaidinOman — 2012-11-14 23:53:17Z

Hi Lorraine,you may have seen my response to Mike recently with regard to Seear family. Looks like you may have more information about them. I wonder if we can swap information? e.g. I have the passenger list for William and Susan aboard the Lady Nugent but no sign of the 16-month-old son you mention. Is this baby George Thomas Seear?

Re: Samuel Parker bap Newcastle on Tyne, All Saints, 1822

hogspark44 — 2012-11-14 12:17:38Z

Maidin-sent you a response yesterday, but Ancestry was playing up so if you got yesterdays, this is just a "repeat". Unfortunately I know no more about the Seears than was posted by me in 2008 (presume you saw that); I had thought that my "vanished" Samuel Parker, also a pianoforte maker, may have emigrated with his landlord, Mr. Seear.

But no, I have subsequently found him and his marriage, in London; he died shortly after the marriage so no descendants!

Regards,

Mike Parker.

Re: Samuel Parker bap Newcastle on Tyne, All Saints, 1822

MaidinOman — 2012-11-13 05:02:07Z

hi Mike,
I am looking at the Seear family who emigrated to newly-founded Port Nicholson,NZ arriving as previously stated in this thread, aboard the Lady Nugent, 17 March, 1841. William James and his wife Susan Goulding. They may have sent their daughter Annie back to England to stay with the pianoforte-maker grandfather - that is my conclusion anyway. The family moved from NZ to Melbourne, arriving March, 1853 aboard 'Elizabeth' with children George, 12, Frederick, 7, Ann 9 (now apparently returned to family in NZ), Susan Jr, 4 and James, 1 . In 1855, William has a carter business in Prahran, Melbourne but was thrown from his cart and killed on 31 August that year in St Kilda. Anything sound familiar? I'd be interested in anything more on this family.