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Re: Lars Severin Brynelsen

rberkland736911 — 2013-05-06 16:43:46Z

Hei Dagfinn

Thank you for the response to my old inquiry.

You and my wife would be second cousins. My wife, Sharon, is the granddaughter of Sophie Christine who was a sister of your grandmother, Laura.

Sophie married Arthur Christensen who was from Oslo, Norway. They lived in Rockford, Illinois. They divorced on 1935. Sophie never remarried. She died April 19, 1968 in Elgin, Illinois.

We have found a considerable amount of information about the family through the online archives. However, we were not aware of your grandmother. We had found birth records on the others mentioned in your message.

Sharon was not acquainted with any of Sophie's family. Sharon was adopted into another family and had no contact with her birth family. However, through research we have discovered a considerable amount of information about them.
Let me know if you would like any information about them. You can e mail me at rberkland7369@sbcglobal.net.

Thanks again for your response.

Ron Berkland

Re: Lars Severin Brynelsen

dagfinn52 — 2013-05-06 11:51:41Z

Hello Ron,
Lars Severin Brynelsen was the father to my grandmother Laura Susanne Larsen (born 1903). Lars Severin was born in Øksnes in Northern Norway in 1855 and was the son of Brynnel Larsen born in 1824 (or 1826) from voss, Norway and Kirsten Sjursdatter Rio born in 1831 also from Voss.

Lars Severin and Anna Martine (marthe is just a nickname i suppose)
children:

Margaret b.1883 -d.1951. Married Lorenz Eyde Rockford, Illinois. To USA in 1902. Another mother who died during birth.

Nikoline "Lena" b.1885-d.1968. Married Wrennie Crogan. Rockford, Illinois. To USA in 1907.
Marie Nilsine b. 1887

Lauritz Martin b. 1889-d.1962

Sofie Kristine b.1892- To USA in 1911.Probably Rockford,Illinois

Amanda Emelia. b. 1895 To USA in 1910. Probably Rockford, Illinois.

Anna Sevilda Beanka b. 1900 -

Laura Susanne b. 1903-d. 1980.

Amanda and Sofie i don't know anything about. Did Sofie married one Christianson? Any information considering Sofie (and Amanda) would be recieved With the biggest of gratitude.

Pardon my bad English:-)

The farm Solheim is located on Askøy, and island just outside of Berge. I still lives there.

Looking forward to hear from you .

Dagfinn Bergesen

Re: Skilbrie = Skilbred

BrianGaber — 2013-04-23 15:31:09Z

German research is very difficult. There are very few sources online and the court houses here do not allow public access to ANY records. I am from Wisconsin but have been in Germany since 1974. My ancestors are from Norway, England, Germany, Sweden, Poland and Belgium. I have been helping a friend with Danishn research. There are good sources online, but I find them muchn more difficult to use than the Norwegian records.

Brian

Re: Skilbrie = Skilbred

camptrst — 2013-04-23 15:21:59Z

My husband is 3/4 German. He's been working on his genealogy and has been unable to get a connection across the ocean. He did learn that one relative came over from Bavaria. He has been able to find nothing on his ancestry in Germany. He can't read the German script and very little information seems to be indexed.

We've been to Germany a couple of times. The last time there we went to see the model railroad in Hamburg. It's incredible. They had completed the airport, and we got good videos of everything. We drove down to Hamburg from Demark just to see the railroad. I'm half Danish and half Norwegian. I feel very fortunate. I don't think any other country is as generous with providing genealogy information free. I think I've removed all of my brick walls. Now it's just a case of looking up and recording sources.

I had three major brick walls dealing with great grandparents. But I finally broke through with the help of people on the message board and the Norway list.

Arlene

Re: Skilbrie = Skilbred

BrianGaber — 2013-04-23 15:10:28Z

I live in Germany, so don't have the chance to get to Salt Lake City!

Re: Skilbrie = Skilbred

camptrst — 2013-04-23 05:40:59Z

Thank you again. I was wondering what the relationship was between Indre Holmedal and Gauler. THey seemed to know it up in Salt Lake City, but they didn't explain the exact relationship. Also thank you for the information about Skilbrei. I couldn't find Skilbrei in the digital archives. I thought it might be Skilbred.

Have you been to the Salt Lake City Family History Library. They are incredible. They solved mysteries for our two friends that were with us up there.

Arlene

Skilbrie = Skilbred

BrianGaber — 2013-04-22 17:51:46Z

"Skilbrie" is most probably "Skilbred", which is a farm within the parish of Gaular.

Note that Gaular is "Indre Holmedal" in the Norwegian census records. Indre Holmedal was officially changed to Gaular in 1990.

Re: 1880 Census, Chicago

camptrst — 2013-04-22 14:39:44Z

Thanks for the offer. I think that Oliver Olsen has been pretty well identified. Both the experts in Salt Lake City and Ingve Nedrebo do not think Oliver was born in Bergen, and they don't believe he would have changed his name. THe information in Gauler matches the birth date that I have. Oliver probably said he was from Bergen. It's really a more sophisticated place than Gauler. When people left Gauler, most of them went to Bergen according to the "udflinttede". I found a record of Oliver's sister moving to Bergen when Oliver was only nine. Also Oliver was on the Bergen randomized military records. So he did end up in Bergen at some point. Oliver was confirmed in Gauler, but it was after that that he most likely moved. His father died when he was only 8, and his mother ended up in Skilbrei (??) where she died. Couldn't find Skilbrei on the internet.

Re: 1880 Census, Chicago

BrianGaber — 2013-04-22 10:06:35Z

Hi Arlene,

You're welcome! Thanks for your message. If you still have questions, feel free to post them here.

Brian

Re: 1880 Census, Chicago

camptrst — 2013-04-21 18:40:32Z

I have just been looking over all of my posts on the message board. I don't know if I thanked you for your post. We were up in Salt Lake City last week, and I was able to look up information in the Gauler Bygdebok. The information in that book matched what you had sent me. You had to have spent a lot of time researching that information. A million thanks for what you did.

Arlene Camp

Re: Joseph Wilkin, Engineer in Bergen

peder27 — 2013-04-04 06:18:37Z

from a search in google, this came up.

Wilkin Family Genealogy Forum
children of Tilman Wilkin, Spencerville, OH, 1837 - donna wilkin 7/09/07 ..... Re: JOSEPH ALEXANDER WILKIN- NEW ZEALAND - Robin Wilkin ...
genforum.genealogy.com/wilkin/

Re: Joseph Wilkin, Engineer in Bergen

Nina_Karlsen — 2013-04-03 11:26:48Z

Private boarding schools have never been common in Norway, and the first Norwegian whaling expedition to the Antarctic Ocean took place in the 1890s.

Could this be Joseph's parents?
Family search, "England, Marriages, 1538–1973"
Joseph Wilshin and Elizabeth Roberts, 27 Feb 1837

Re: Joseph Wilkin, Engineer in Bergen

thoraway — 2013-03-28 10:27:03Z

When was he in Bergen?

Re: Joseph Wilkin, Engineer in Bergen

BrianGaber — 2013-03-28 06:29:16Z

Wilkin / Wilken is a rather unusual name for a Nowegian. I would assume this record is somehow tied to your family:

Johan Henrik Wilken (Andersen)
Born 10 Aug 1832 in Bergen
Baptized 16 Sep 1832 in Nykirken church
Father: Anders Hansen Tømmerdal
Mother: Anne Marie Wilken

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&am...

Also look for the spelling "Vilkin/Vilken". The name could possibly originate from Granvin, Hordaland.

Joseph Wilkin, Engineer in Bergen

hannahilljoy — 2013-03-28 03:06:43Z

I'm looking for information about Joseph Wilkin. All we know is that he was an Engineer in Bergen. He had a son, Joseph Alexander Wilkin who was born in 1837, and left a private boarding school to join a whaling ship. He eventually made his way to akaroa, New Zealand, where he married Elizabeth Campbell and had 11 sons and 3 daughters, one of whom was Francis Wilkin, my gt gt grandfather. Any information would be a huge help, thank you!

1865 census

BrianGaber — 2013-03-22 05:23:59Z

Here is the family at the farm Borge nedre in the 1865 census. Inger's middle name has been incorrectly transcribed. Christian is probably working and living at a different farm, this was quite common at that age.

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&am...

According to the census, Ole Hansen was born ca. 1809 in Raade, Inger Jacobsdatter was born ca. 1816 - also in Raade.

Birth of Christian Olsen

BrianGaber — 2013-03-22 05:19:16Z

#72
Born 20 Nov 1848
Baptized 26 Dec 1848
Christian Olsen Borgeaasen, Borge nedre
Father: Ole Hansen Borge
Mother: Inger Mathea Jacobsdatter

Kildeinformasjon: Østfold fylke, Onsøy, Ministerialbok nr. 3 (1841-1860), Fødte og døpte 1849, side 49.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5751&i...

Christian Olsen

briansherping — 2013-03-22 02:19:48Z

Looking for ancestry of Christian Olsen, b.20 Nov. 1848, christening 26 Dec. 1848, Onsoy, Ostfold, Norway.

Arrived in Canada abt. 1870 and lived in Newport, Compton , Quebec, Canada.

Possible his father Ole Hansen and mother Inger Mathea Jacobsdr (1823- ).

Re: Looking for relatives of Ingemund, Erik, Viar Eriksen from Bergen Area

Nina_Karlsen — 2013-03-18 18:40:34Z

Here's another: Einar Sævareid (1930-)
Dølevegen 20
N-5541 Kolnes
Phone (+47)450 99 182 - (+47)410 05 808

Re: Looking for relatives of Ingemund, Erik, Viar Eriksen from Bergen Area

jtodd3 — 2013-03-18 15:41:25Z

Thank you so much for this information. I am hoping to connect with living relatives so perhaps this will help.

Re: Looking for relatives of Ingemund, Erik, Viar Eriksen from Bergen Area

Nina_Karlsen — 2013-03-18 15:09:27Z

Only one of your grandfather's siblings who stayed in Norway married. Lars, born 1888, married Marta Meland b. 1889 and lived on Haavarsholm in Sveio. They had 4 children:
Brita 1925-, Haldor 1927-, Einar 1930- and Klara 1932-.
Source: Gards- og ættesoge for Sveio. Vol. II. / Simon Steinsbø, 1987.
Haldor 1927- took over the family farm in 1963:
http://www.gulindex.no/p/Haldor_S%C3%A6vareide/393485

Re: TWINS-SAM AND OLAF OLSEN 15 DEC.1898

thoraway — 2013-03-13 11:51:46Z

The poster put these queries on the RootsWeb Norway-List and has a great number of persons giving information and solving the problem.

The names given were VERY misleading.

Re: TWINS-SAM AND OLAF OLSEN 15 DEC.1898

BrianGaber — 2013-03-13 04:18:15Z

Hi Taryn,

Before you spend too much time on this, please check this thread, much research has already been done:

http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.gener...

Brian

Re: TWINS-SAM AND OLAF OLSEN 15 DEC.1898

TarynMN — 2013-03-13 02:57:34Z

I searched the 1910 census, where you can specify the birthdate exactly, and did not find any twins in Norway with that birthdate.

Is it possible that there is a different birthdate?

TWINS-SAM AND OLAF OLSEN 15 DEC.1898

cbernard526 — 2013-03-07 00:42:34Z

LOOKING FOR RELATIVES OF OLAF OLSEN (OLSON, POSSIBLY NICHOLSON). HE WAS BORN IN 1898, I BELIEVE IN NORWAY. HE HAD A TWIN BROTHER NAMED SAM. I BELIEVE SAM BROUGHT HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTERS TO CANADA AROUND 1927 AND OLAF REMAINED IN NORWAY. PLEASE EMAIL ME IF YOU EVEN THINK YOU MIGHT KNOW OF ANY CONNECTIONS. bethprost4@gmail.com

KIND REGARDS
BETH

Re: Jordal farm descendents

mjordahllarson65 — 2013-03-06 17:57:48Z

Thanks so much! I will certainly look into these books and thank you for replying so quickly. Balestrand is such a beautiful place. Hope to visit there soon.

Re: Jordal farm descendents

peder27 — 2013-02-26 11:10:19Z

resource for farms

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wgnorway/par-indx.htm#NORW...

Re: Jordal farm descendents

thoraway — 2013-02-25 20:57:57Z

There are published books about the history and genealogy of Balestrand and Leikanger. They were of course written in Norwegian -- but I've used similar books with great success by adding a good Norwegian-English dictionary to my personal reference collection and working at translations of the parts pertinent to my own research.

"Balestrand : bygd og ætter" by Jon Laberg

"Leikanger bygdebok" 2 volumes by Per H. Bøthun, Roald Lyngvær

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/bygdebok.html

Balestrand Parish family

mjordahllarson65 — 2013-02-25 18:48:07Z

I am a descendant of Ole Thorkildsen and Agaathe (Agatha) Kieldsdatter. They emigrated from Balestrand parish in 1860. I have much information on their ancestry and would like to share and connect with other descendants. Ole and Agatha took the name "Jordahl" when they settled first in Wisconsin, then lived in Fillmore Co. MN. They also lived in Polk Co. MN, and passed away in LaMoure Co. ND. They are the parents of Jens(my Gr. Grandfather m. to Maren Sorine Torkildsdatter), Magnilde (Mennis), Brithe (Betsy Valtinson), and Kjestine. The three daughters were all born in Wisconsin in the 1860's. If anyone is familiar with this family please respond here, or by email at mjordahllarson65@yahoo.com . Thank you!

Jordal farm descendents

mjordahllarson65 — 2013-02-25 18:16:36Z

I am looking for historical info about the following farms in Balestrand and Leikanger parishes. Jordal, Mundal, Supphellen, Fjaerstad, Boyum, Liedahl, and Oygaarden i Ese.
If you have ancestors from these locations, I am interested in their histories and the people who lived there. Thank you!
I am a descendent of Kield Paulsen Mundal and Magnild Knudsdatter Liedal, both born in 1795.

Re: 1880 Census, Chicago

camptrst — 2013-02-22 17:43:53Z

WOW! Thank you very much. I'm wondering if my cousin realizes how much work everyone is going to to find out about his g-grandfather?!?!? I know he appreciates it, but I don't think he has any idea of the hours you have put into this.

Arlene

Confirmation record

BrianGaber — 2013-02-22 17:41:58Z

Hi Arlene,

Oliver Olsen Espeland was still in Gaular in October
of 1856n when he was confirmed:

#22
Kildeinformasjon: Sogn og Fjordane fylke, Gaular, Ministerialbok nr. A 4I (1840-1859), Konfirmerte 1856, side 286.
Permanent sidelenke:http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8387&i...

Re: 1880 Census, Chicago

TarynMN — 2013-02-22 17:38:10Z

I found the children by just searching the parents names. First and last for each parent.

Re: 1880 Census, Chicago

camptrst — 2013-02-22 17:19:31Z

It's me again. I found the message board information about Oliver Oleson's military record. THere were two Oliver Olsen's that served in the military from Bergen. One was Oliver Edward Olsen, born in Bergen in 1845, and the other one was Oliver Olsen Espeland, born in Inner Holmedal (Sogn og Fjordane) in 1841. My cousin doesn't know the exact birth date of his g-grandfather. All the death record recorded was about 1841.

I can't seem to bring up the information your sent me about all the children of Ole Madsen and Anna Jensdatter. DId you bring up each child individually? When I bring up the website I can't get parish number 1430 with the dates you recorded. You probably had to have looked up each child individually because parish number 1430 probably wasn't in the "digital inn".

Thank you again.

Arlene Camp

Re: 1880 Census, Chicago

camptrst — 2013-02-22 15:50:38Z

THank you for your reply. You did a lot of work on my behalf. Someone else did some research for me and learned that the neighbors in CHicago were not brothers. Yngve Nedrebo also discovered that fact.
Someone sent me some information that this Oliver Olsen went into the military in Bergen. I"ve been trying to find that e-mail but so far have been unsuccessful. Possibly he moved to Bergen when he was quite young. Unfortunately there are no census records to record that fact. I do have a 1865 census record showing an Oliver Olsen living in Arendal. EVerything matches what my cousin knows about him. He was 25 at the time and was a Smedsvend. Young men had to travel to learn a skill. He had his birthplace as Bergen.

Thank you again. Yngve Nedrebo also told me that he had found an Oliver Olsen in Sogn og Fjordane, but he never got back to me. He's a very busy person. He found an extremely valuable record for me once before--a record that helped me prove that my g-grandfather had changed his name.

Arlene

Re: 1880 Census, Chicago

TarynMN — 2013-02-22 03:03:15Z

The Oliver Olsen Espeland from Gaular has the parents Ole Madsen and Anna Jensdatter. I searched the Sogn og Fjordane births at Digital Archives for those parents and found these children and their baptism/birth dates.

Search here if you want to do it yourself:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbas...

30877 1430 22/10 1848 F m Johan Olss. e Ole Madss. Espeland Gardbrukar Anna Jensd.

31148 1430 18/12 1845 F k Carolina Olsd. e Ole Madss. Espeland Gardbrukar Anna Jensd.

31367 1430 23/10 1843 F m Ole Olss. e Ole Madss. Espeland Gardbrukar Anna Jensd.

31605 1430 18/4 1841 F m Oliver Olss. e Ole Madss. Espeland Gardbrukar Anna Jensd.

31848 1430 12/7 1838 F m Jens Olss. e Ole Madss. Espeland Gardbrukar Anna Jensd.

32098 1430 19/10 1835 F m Mads Olss. e Ole Madss. Sande Tjenestedreng Anna Jensd.

32340 1430 16/8 1833 F k Helena Olsd. e Ole Madss. Sande Tjenestedreng Anna Jensd.

None of them really match the neighbors in Chicago in 1880.
Although there is a Johan brother, the date is close.

Re: Oliver Oleson or Hans Oleii Oleson

camptrst — 2013-02-20 16:41:15Z

THe only reason I'm thinking that is because that's the closest name to Oliver that I have been able to find for someone born in the Bergen area. There are very few Oliver's in Norway. I just wish I could find some other record for Hans Oleii--marriage, death, emigration, etc. When I put in Hans and then Oleii I get nothing--I don't even get his birth record. And I know that's there.

Arlene

Re: Oliver Oleson or Hans Oleii Oleson

BrianGaber — 2013-02-20 16:26:52Z

I don't see any reason why someone named Hans Olaii would change their name to "Oliver". Do you have a reason for thinking this?

Brian

Re: Oliver Oleson or Hans Oleii Oleson

camptrst — 2013-02-20 16:13:35Z

Thank you again for your wonderful help. I am now back to square one. Sometimes people modify their names. I've been wondering if Hans Oleii Oleson changed his name to Oliver. He was born in Bergen and was illegitimate. I've tried to look for another Hans Oleii but haven't been successful. I found him by searching through the church books. I can't find him if I do a search in the "digital inn". Here's his link. http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070223670066.... He's number 18.

Arlene

Re: Oliver Oleson or Hans Oleii Oleson

BrianGaber — 2013-02-20 10:33:21Z

I did look through 1841 births for all the churches in Begen. There are no records for a person named Oliver born that year in Bergen. I really feel he was born NEAR Bergen, not IN Bergen.

I think the only way to finds him is with an exact birth date. You really need to get a copy of his death record to see if there is more info on it, possibly it will list an exact birth date or place of birth.

Re: Andersen

falsterden — 2013-02-19 17:18:44Z

Yes all we can know is that it is a patronymic name.

Andersen is a common name in Denmark. A Norwegian family might spell the name AnderSON, and a Danish family might be more likely to use AnderSEN, but there was no firm rule.

"Anders" as a first name in the USA would likely be Andrew.

If you'll share a specific individual's name, the forum can help you trace his/her ancestry.

Re: Looking for information on my great grandparents.

thoraway — 2013-02-19 16:00:12Z

Online study material to learn about Norwegian naming practices and patterns.

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/na12.html
http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/names.htm
http://www.norwayheritage.com/norwegian-names.htm
http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/farms.htm

When you 'search her' what is the 'it' you are searching in?

Re: Looking for information on my great grandparents.

alstay — 2013-02-19 12:55:52Z

Vivi & thoraway,
Thank you so much for your help! I'm new to this why would her parents have different last names than her? I seem to hit a dead end. When I search her it comes up with different records that don't connect her children with her and list different spouses.
Alison

Re: Looking for information on my great grandparents.

4vivi — 2013-02-19 07:55:03Z

Hi

Helene Marie came from Mo in Telemark.
This must be her born aug 22, 1877. Parents Olaves Hansen and Anne Gundersdatter.
No 41:
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5980&i...
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061127320053....

Vivi

Re: Looking for information on my great grandparents.

4vivi — 2013-02-19 07:47:25Z

Hi

Simon left Norway from Oslo july 19, 1902 together with Helen Marie Olausen.
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&am...

Vivi

Re: Looking for information on my great grandparents.

4vivi — 2013-02-19 07:39:18Z

Hi

Seems like the man thoraway found in Skien is the one you are looking for.
He was born June 8, 1875 from parents Ole Sigurdsen and Karen Olea Olsen.
No 5 right page:
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5991&i...
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061128320220....

Vivi

Re: Looking for information on my great grandparents.

thoraway — 2013-02-19 00:33:37Z

PA - papers applied -- or something to that effect. He has started the process of naturalization. That means some court or the national government has copies of the papers he filed!

Looking for naturalization papers is a unique study. There are websites and books about it. I'm not well versed or experienced at it so cannot advise further.

You could also look for the passenger manifest at his port of arrival... New York? Boston? Quebec? By that year the American officials were collecting a good amount of information about each person arriving.

Re: Looking for information on my great grandparents.

alstay — 2013-02-18 23:34:25Z

I just figured out why you were referring to the city/port of Bergen. I thought that I was just posting in a general area. Sorry about that!

Re: Looking for information on my great grandparents.

alstay — 2013-02-18 23:05:45Z

Thank you for this information. I have previously found a copy of the 1920 census. I found the family in Fitchburg, Mass. The year of immigration on the form is 1902, but I'm not sure what the following means... the column is Naturalization or alien the data says PA? Do you have any idea what that might mean? I'm new to this whole process and I have not hit a road block, such as this in the rest of my family tree which I have gone back to the 1600's easily. Again, thank you for the help and if you think of anything else to check please let me know.

Re: Looking for information on my great grandparents.

thoraway — 2013-02-18 22:36:43Z

The 1900 Norwegian census shows one Simon Sigurdsen who then lives in the household of his widowed mother in Skien, Telemark, Norway. That is no where close to the city/port of Bergen.

It is important that you check when your man immigrated since this might just be another of the same name.

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1900&...