Abel - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Tombstone ABEL in Berlin

pvondemhagen — 2009-11-11 21:26:35Z

Hi Wolfgang,
Thanks for sending the pic and the information. So Max Abel is my great grandfather. How do you know this information?

thanks,

peter

Tombstone ABEL in Berlin

WGFGER — 2009-11-11 21:13:06Z

Hello Peter,

Adoph Abel had two sons, but his son Max had four daughters.

At the end of his life Max Abel had the estate Sallgast.

Attached you will find the tombstone of the family in Kreuzberg.

Regards, Wolfgang G. Fischer

Re: Caleb-Caleb Abel of Lebanon, Ct

day4ton — 2009-10-25 01:04:41Z

I have a Caleb Abel who purchased property along with Nathan Dayton in Willingborough Luzerne County,Pa from Harvey and Daniel Curtis in 1811. 1 week later Nathan deeded the property to Caleb Abel. Carolyn

Re: Abel Marriages Early to 1850

brasher1_1 — 2009-10-12 00:09:21Z

I am interested in the marriage of Clerance Houston Abel and Mary Lavinia Dunn.

Sincerely,
Ella Dunn Abel Brasher
brasher1@cox.net

Re: Frederick Abel-Emil F.Abel,Hugo Abel,Charles Abel

brasher1_1 — 2009-10-12 00:07:12Z

My father is Frederick Abel from Mississippi.

Sincerely,

Ella Dunn Abel Brasher

Re: Abels in Macon, GA

christmas3651 — 2009-10-09 18:14:25Z

I live in upstate SC, but am originally from Macon, GA.
John Henry Abel was born in Macon, Bibb Co, Georgia on 15 Nov 1846. He died in 1891 in Macon and I believe is buried in Rose Hill Cemetery. His father is buried in that cemetery, so I assume he is too.
The next time we go down to Macon to visit my DH's mother, I will check with the caretaker at the cemetery to see if he's actually buried there.
Henry Abel (Milo's father) lived and died in Macon, GA.
In some research online this morning after I received your email, I found Henry's funeral announcement in the Macon Telegraph archives. He arrived in NY from Germany 20 May 1834 and arrived in Macon, GA 18 Oct 1838 and never left.
Do you have death dates on any of the brothers and sisters?
I only have John Henry's date.
Where do you live?
Melody

Re: Abels in Macon, GA

marti_bush — 2009-10-09 17:32:35Z

Your husband and I are distant cousins, then. Where do you live and where did his Abel parent live. I am the daughter of the daughter of Milo Abel.

Re: Abels in Macon, GA

christmas3651 — 2009-10-09 16:12:48Z

YES!!!! I needed all of this information. You have been most helpful. Thanks for the names of the children also.
Which son does your family line go through?
Mine goes through John Henry Abel...actually that would be my husband's line.
Thanks again,
Melody

Re: Abels in Macon, GA

christmas3651 — 2009-10-09 16:12:39Z

Re: Abels in Macon, GA

marti_bush — 2009-10-09 15:56:43Z

If you give me some dates, I can relate to the Abels I know. This name has not come up, however.

Re: Abels in Macon, GA

marti_bush — 2009-10-09 15:55:14Z

The children of Elizabeth Follendore and Henry Abel are
Fred T. Abel, Macon
William Abel, Macon
Charles Abel, Macon
Louis Avel, St. Louis
Milo F. Abel, Macon, b.12/23/1866; d.2/6/1920
Murelia Abel Stubbs
Louis Abel Brooks, Live Oaks, FL
Ella Abel Ruhl, Macon
Julia Abel (Mrs. R.F. George), Atlanta
Kathleen Abel (Mrs. L.J. Kilbourne)
Josephine Abel
This information was, in part, from E.Abel's obituary in the Macon paper.

Re: Georgia relatives

marti_bush — 2009-10-09 15:46:13Z

Elizabeth Follendore Abel came to this country when she was eight years old. She died January 7, 1905 at the age of 78. She was born in Baden Germany and it is from there that she came to US. Her parents were Karl Vollendor (1770-1853) and Aurelia Kiferin (1771-1833).

Re: Abels in Macon, GA

marti_bush — 2009-10-09 15:43:26Z

Elizabeth Follendore Abel died 1/7/1905 at the age of 78. She came to the US from Baden Germany were she was born. She was 8 years old when she came here. That's all I have right now. I hope it helps. Oh, her parents were Karl Vollendor and Aurelian Kiferin (1771-1833).

Re: Abels in Macon, GA

christmas3651 — 2009-10-09 04:22:51Z

I would appreciate any information you can give me on the descendents of Henry and Elizabeth Abel.
Thank you,
Melody

Abels in Lamar co Texas in the 1920's

rsmith6670 — 2009-09-30 05:35:07Z

Would anyone have info about or descend from the Abels living in Lamar co Texas in the 1920's? thanks

Lucines Elizabeth Abel-1900-Fayette co Al

rsmith6670 — 2009-08-17 05:41:29Z

Lucinda Elizabeth abel or Ables died shortly after 1900 probably in Fayette co Al. I am trying to find where she was buried. A researcher said there were a number of people named Abel that were burined in cemeteries in the Carbon Hill Al area. Would anyone be able to help me find where Lucinda Elizabeth Abel was buried? Thanks, Ross

ABEL Raleigh R and Ona Lee

t42MountOlivet — 2009-08-15 22:16:08Z

ABEL Raleigh R and Ona Lee

I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 205,583 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family.

Re: Rudolf und Charlotte von dem Hagen

pvondemhagen — 2009-07-27 23:10:01Z

Rudolph and Charlotte von dem Hagen: 2 sons
1) Claus Ulrich von dem Hagen - Born 1911. Died 2007.

2) Wichard Otto von dem Hagen - Bron 1917. Died 1972. Married Sally Ann McLaughlin in 1961. 2 daughters and 1 son.

2a) Antoinette Margaret von dem Hagen - Born 1961. 2 daughters and 1 son.
2b) Peter Rudolph Wichard von dem Hagen - Born 1963. 1 son.
2c) Stephanie Ann von dem Hagen - Born 1966.

Re: were do you fit in the abel familychain email cabel2@adelphia.

Albert_Abel — 2009-03-21 08:27:18Z

Have you tried the Wuerttemburg Emigration Index ? It lists the Town from where he applied. If not from Wuert. then maybe from BAden. Have you tried his Naturalisation Papers?

Albertjohn dot abel at bigpond dot com

Re: Frederick Abel-Emil F.Abel,Hugo Abel,Charles Abel

ritachilson461 — 2009-05-26 16:11:03Z

FREDERICK ABEL ALL LIVE,D IN RAMSEY ST.PAUL MN.ABOUT ALL
MY FAMILY LIVE,D THERE.BUT MY DAD MOVED TO CALIF IN 1938.

Re: Abel Marriages Early to 1850

ritachilson461 — 2009-04-11 15:08:51Z

fred august ebert or abel my gredfather married albertina
henke in schulzenhagen germany. could you help me.
thank you
Rita abel chilson

Re: Palatines to PA

matthiashuberprivat — 2009-04-23 18:20:48Z

Hello,
I've found the origin your Abels who arrived via ship "Loyal Judith" 25 September 1732 at the port of Philadelphia
http://www.immigrantships.net/v4/1700v4/pinkloyaljudith17320...
ship list:
2 John Adam Able, age 44 => 1732 – 44 y.= 1688
4 Hans Jacob Able, age 16 => 1732 - 16 y.= 1716

Hans Adam Abel
born 11 Jan 1688 in Münzesheim/Baden/Germany
married on 27 Feb 1710 in Münzesheim
Anna Fechtlin (Fechtle)
born ca. 1690 in Kleingartach/Baden/Eppingen
children:
Johann Jacob Abel born 29 June 1716 in Münzesheim
Eva Elisabeth Abel born 18 April 1719 in Münzesheim
Maria Catharina Abel born 27 Oct 1728 in Münzesheim

Re: moses abel

gareth1355 — 2009-03-17 17:33:51Z

Having thought about it again..

We know when & Where Sarah Hannah Abel was born
"richcroker" knows his relatives marriage & death dates & locations - key being that she was married to Shore in 1914.

If she was married in 1914 she wont appear on any published census record under her married name.

But you wrote "I dont believe that sarah shore,married name, was sarah hannah abel,birth dates/places are not similar on census"

Which census & details are you comparing?

The last published one was 1901 and there she appears with her mother Julia and the details do very much match what richcroker knows about his ancestor.

Re: moses abel

gareth1355 — 2009-03-17 07:28:02Z

In one of the other postings in the thread I already corrected myself and acknowledged Moses did have a daughter Sarah.

We will have to wait and see what the birth certificate says re Sarahs parentage - Ive been researching Moses and the rest of my family for nearly 30 years and things are frequently not what they seem despite the paperwork, especially where Moses is concerned!

Re: moses abel

gareth1355 — 2009-03-14 00:33:12Z

Ok, Id be interested to see how that works out.

No problem, will let you know anything I can. Sadly at this stage I dont see anyway of tracing things back beyond Isaac. The problem is that the location of their country of origin is so general it could be anywhere - Western Russia could be Poland, Latvia, Lithunia, Russia etc etc.

One of Moses grandsons is a "well written" anthropologist who specialises in the Jewish people - even he is unsure of the origins.

The other issue is the way names have been anglicised - Moses was the original name however he anglicised his name and his children over the years to counter antisemetic problems. Thus you will find him listed and refered to as Moses, Maurice or Morris ( the latter being common anglicised varations of Moses ).

Some of his children went all the way - changing their first names AND surname ( they became "Bell" ).

Seems my grandfather was one of the exceptions and Ive held onto the Abel surname.

Let me know how you get on but it does now sound like its the same moses.

Re: moses abel

gareth1355 — 2009-03-13 23:47:06Z

Ah, right - that makes some more sense.

My line is via Moses and his second wife Sabrina Ullman.

His first wife, Julie Hart, is obviously your line. There is another descendent of Mose/Julie researching that area. She has made some postings on here - I do have her details somewhere if you cant locate her, her surname is Allen I think.

Suffice to say I have a number of documents & certificates about Moses. Moses was the son of George Abel ( born 1825 Western Russia - George was also a dentist ) and Ann Jones ( Born 1832, D 1869 ). George had a brother Dan ( also Born W Russia ) and their father was Isaac Abel.

Moses had two siblings - Amelia & Paulene. I believe these two may have gone to the US - as I believe did at least one of Moses children from his first marriage.

George remarried Mala after Ann died ( I havent researched Mala as yet ). I Have copies of City directories for Manchester listing George as a dentist and then Mala after his death as a Milner. I have copies of George/Ann marriage certificate - which is a story in its own right.

Moses died in Nottingham ( I presume you are in the UK? ) 18 Jan 1940 and is buried in one of the old Jewish cemetaries in Nottingham ( sadly without a headstone ).

Moses dental training is interesting - apparently prior to 1922 there was no formal registration of Dentists. According to the authorities he was registered when the law came into effect but he was allowed to practice on the basis that he had been practicing for many years despite having no formal training.

I do have some scanned photo's of the man - quite a character by all accounts according to my relatives that remember him.

There is more but I hope thats of some interest.

Gareth.

Re: moses abel

richcroker — 2009-03-17 22:28:51Z

Thanks Gareth

You are right - we need to wait for the marriage certificate to come to confirm ages, parents, and witnesses etc.

However, what I have found so far is this:

Using FreeBMD a Sarah Hannah Abel was born in Newport, Mons, in the final quarter of 1889. No other Sarah Abel is registered as being born within a year of this, and certainly not in Newport. Sarah Annie Shore's death record:

http://content.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=8966&...
has a birth date of November 5th 1889. Therefore this would fit.

Sarah A Abel married Joseph Shore in Q2 1914, in Newport, Mons.

Sarah A Shore died in Gloucester in Q2 1972, but was buried in Newport (confirmed by my father and aunt).

There was a Sarah Abel listed (with Moses and Julia as parents) at that age in both the 1891 and 1901 censuses.

I would suggest that there is not a huge likelihood that there would be two Sarah Abels born in the same year in Newport - certainly BMD data doesn't record it. The only question mark is the middle name: Hannah vs Annie. However they are related names. This is why I have ordered the marriage certificate. Saying that, Sarah Abel's daughter (my grandmother) was variously known as Annie Isobel Shore or Nancy Shore - it wasn't until she died that we knew what it really was!

I'll post more when I have the marriage certificate - this might also throw some light on the 33 Orchard Street question!

Regards

Richard

The likelihood of there being another

Re: moses abel

richcroker — 2009-03-14 00:16:20Z

Hi Gareth

Thanks for this - it is both very helpful and really interesting! I was starting to think my entire family were agricultural labourers!

I have just ordered a marriage certificate for Sarah Abel, to check that Moses was her father. When I get it and it confirms this line, I'll let you know.

If this is the case, I would be really grateful if you could let me have more information.

Thanks once again

PS - I am in the UK!

Re: moses abel

richcroker — 2009-03-18 07:52:31Z

Yes - but as Gareth said, she wouldn't have been Sarah Shore until 1914 when she married Joseph Shore - she would have still been Sarah Albel. Also the Newport referred to in the 1911 census is in Shopshire, England, near Telford, not Newport, Wales. The Monmouthshire records are not yet available on the 1911 census:
http://www.1911census.co.uk/content/default.aspx?r=24&10...

The marriage certificate should be here in a few days!

Re: moses abel

richcroker — 2009-03-23 20:16:47Z

Hi

I now have the marriage certificate. It confirms that Moses Abel was indeed the father of the Sarah Abel who married Joseph Shore.

If you pm me with your email address I will send you details of the marriage certificate.

I am not aware of any photos etc in the family, but I will check.

Re: moses abel

collectables_1 — 2009-03-19 00:23:09Z

do your family have any pictures or history of julia,or sarahs 2 brothers,if she is this sarahs mother and sarah is the only daughter and also remained in wales i would expect there to be photo albums,letters etc somewhere,its usually the daughter that keeps them,

Re: moses abel

collectables_1 — 2009-03-18 00:15:04Z

1911 census is now online+searchable ,sarah annie shore is listed living in newport aged 37,being born c1874,sarah hannah abel was born c1889/90,on the 1891 census she is aged 1,quite an age difference

Re: moses abel

collectables_1 — 2009-03-17 01:45:26Z

correction-moses+julia hart did have a daughter sarah hannah abel,born 1899/90,+2 sons george and abraham,moses deserted his wife and 3 children and remarried ,no divorce found,name ullman,had further children.I dont believe that sarah shore,married name, was sarah hannah abel,birth dates/places are not similar on census.I have an address from 1916 paperwork that states home address at 33 orchard st, newport,mons,as yet i havent found out who was living here at that time

Re: Abel Family

oclarke11 — 2009-05-03 15:08:36Z

posted first message too quick. Here is 2nd Abel family.
2.J. or P. b abt 1810 in Louisa Co Va marr Susan Ann Dunkum dau of William Dunkum & Frances. Need the name of this Abel ( J. or P. ) and children for him & Susan.
3.Pearl Ruth b abt 1920 in Fl marr Albert Eugene Spencer Sr., also n Fl. Need the names of their parents & siblings. Albert Jr. b Fl marr Dorotyh Lucille Marmaduke dau of Harold Marmaduke & Pearl Lee Beazley of Caroline Co Va. Also need children for Albert Jr. & Lucille. Any info appreciated.
Ollie

Abel Family

oclarke11 — 2009-05-03 15:00:23Z

Am seeking info on these 3 Able families.
1. John H. b abt 1850 in Spotsylvania Co Va marr Evelyn Welford Tompkins dau of Frank Tompkins Sr. & Eebecca Matilda Turner of Caroline Co. Need the name of John's parents & siblings & children for him & Evelyn.
2.

Re: Abels in Macon, GA

caen019 — 2009-05-04 22:08:29Z

My paternal family is originally from Macon, GA (of the Sidney Wiley Abel family (my great-grandfather), but I know little else before him. If they gave rise to my granddad's family, any info shedding light on earlier ancestors would be great!

Re: Abels of the south Ga to Fla

caen019 — 2009-05-04 22:00:45Z

I THINK I CAN HELP! (At least point ya in the right direction!!!) It's been many years since you've posted this on this ancestry.com board, so I hope you will still get this. Hopefully your search has been successful in the intervening yrs, but if not you may find this useful:

My grandfather was Sidney Wiley Abel II of Macon, Bibb Co., GA. His father was S.W. Abel Sr. (naturally) - I noticed you weren't 100% sure of the name "Cecil", but possibly phonetic similarity to "Sidney"? My grandfather's mother's name WAS Ethel - so it seems to be a strong connection for whom you're searching. Interestingly, my grandmother affectionately called my granddad "Pat"! She was the only one I ever heard call him that as well; vaguely recall he said it was an old nickname from his Army days when I asked him why she called him Pat, instead of Sid or Sidney. I believe the only sibling to my granddad and your father [note: I never heard him refer to any of his brothers as Cliff/ord, though I believe I did hear "James" when he spoke of his siblings.] still living is Annie, who is living in Rome, GA (married name of Shannon, husband Virgil). Annie is the sweetest lady & she's kept a detailed family history that would likely help point you in the right direction! All my findings of the S.W. & Ethel Abel family of Macon, GA has shown them to be community pillars, generously kind and highly respected. If you get this message and believe this is the family for whom you are searching to find your half bro/sis, send a message back to me and I'll get Annie Abel Shannon's contact information for you. I'd love to help if you haven't had a fruitful search! And, of course, it's a pleasure to meet another member along the family line!!! [2nd/3rd cousin I believe?]

Look forward to hearing from you if you still need this!

C. Abel

Abel - Ilinois, East Coast, 1850s to present

kinhunter25 — 2009-06-27 19:16:16Z

Looking for anyone actively researching any of the following names: MARSHALL family from County Down, Northern Ireland, who first appear in the US in Monroe County, New York in 1850, then found in Central Illinois (Christian County) in 1853 and thereafter. This family is associated with GIBSON, McKEAG/McKAIG, ELLIS, BRAMEL, REETER, ABEL, LONG, TANKERSLEY, HARDY and others, especially in Illinois.

Rudolf und Charlotte von dem Hagen

WGFGER — 2009-06-04 07:03:19Z

Rudolf von dem Hagen, * etwa 1875, Korvettenkapitaen a.D., Ritter des Johanniterordens, + nach 1967, oo Charlotte Abel, begraben 7. Maerz 1935; Kinder:

a. Claus-Ulrich, * 1911, zweimal verheiratet, kinderlos, betrieb Spielkasinos in Baden-Baden (mit Zweigstelle Bad Homburg v.d.H.) und auf Malta, + nach 1975

b. Wichhard, * um 1917, + 1967 (LKW-Unfall), oo US-Amerikanerin, Holzhaendler auf den Philippinen, drei Kinder in den USA

Adolf ABEL, 1819 - 1892

WGFGER — 2009-06-03 16:58:08Z

Adolph Abel wurde am 28. Febr. 1892 beigesetzt.

Jean Paul ABEL, 1858 - 1888

WGFGER — 2009-06-03 16:54:57Z

Paul Abel wurde am 6. Dez. 1888 beigesetzt, er war am 14. Nov. 1888 in San Remo gestorben.

ABEL, Annie Elizabeth

camntash — 2009-07-22 22:16:50Z

Hi,

I am chasing up any birth information at all on Annie Elizabeth ABEL born about 1838 Enniskillen, Killarney, Ireland. She married James MONTEFIORE (who was born in Dantzig, Prussia in the 1830s) in Tasmania, Australia in 1855 and had 12 children. Her father was Samuel Abel & mother was Katerine O'Reagan.

Hope someone can help,

Thanks

ABEL Oliver O 1894-1955

t42RoseHill — 2009-06-08 13:30:33Z

ABEL Oliver O 1894-1955

I photographed this gravestone in the (Shannon) Rose Hill Cemetery, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 204,210 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com .

If you know more about this person please reply here,instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family.

Re: Finding coonections

mavebeggs1 — 2009-06-05 19:31:29Z

my great grandfather is william rawley goodyer who had a son named william john also a son named timmothy who was my grandfather he died in the 1914 war at gallipoly my e mail is mavebeggs@yahoo.co.uk i would like hear from you.

Pierre Abel (Benoit) & Marie Joseph Dionne

MaryBoudreau51 — 2009-04-05 15:53:25Z

We are looking for the descendants of Pierre Abel (Benoit, b. 20 Jun 1671, Quebec) , who married Marie Joseph Dionne, (b. 7 Mar 1672, Montmorency, Quebec), on 9 Nov 1694, Montmorency, St. Famille, Quebec.

Children of Pierre and Marie Joseph:
Marie Anne, Marguerite, Genevieve, Angelique, Marie Joseph, Marie Louise, Elizabeth Ursule, Catherine, Jean Francois

We hope a descendant can help us learn the history of our Abel(Benoit) and Dionne lines.

Re: Searching for Abel's

LkimL99 — 2009-05-14 16:22:52Z

Okay...now after looking at all of the surnames you listed...we are definitely related. My last name is Langhorst, originally from the Humboldt/Carmel area, and several of the other names you posted are in my family as well...Wourms, Lohman, Stoltz, Renneberg.

Wow.

Re: Searching for Abel's

LkimL99 — 2009-05-14 16:18:34Z

Lol...I just noticed the first reply to your post was from someone looking for Renneberg...my aunt is married to a Renneberg from that area as well.

Re: Searching for Abel's

LkimL99 — 2009-05-14 16:17:04Z

Hello! Not sure if you're still reading this thread. My Grandfather was Carl Abel and was from Middle Lake, Sask. His family did come over from Germany at some point. He had at least two brothers that I can remember, Otto and Gus. One was his twin brother. I would be interested in finding out any information that you know about the Abel's from Middle Lake.

Thanx!

Re: Nachkommen von Adolph ABEL, Bankier in Berlin (Germany)

pvondemhagen — 2009-07-27 22:45:07Z

My name is Peter von dem Hagen and Charlotte Abel was my grandmother so Adolph Abel would be my great-great grandfather. I know from family history he only had daughters and that he had some type of grand estate. I'd love to know more about it if possible. Please contact me if possible.

peter

Re: Finding coonections

bobrobb1 — 2009-05-05 05:15:09Z

My mother Amy (1907-1984)was the youngest sibling of Albert - she came to Australia in 1949.
Albert's other siblings were Harriett(1891-1938),Lily(1895-1946),Flo(1887-1964),Robert(1893-1964),Will(1888-1965),Beatrice(1905-1970),Walter(1901-1972),Alice(1890-1974),Clara(Queenie)(1898-1974-Australia),Albert(1903-1976).
Please feel free to contact me.
Regards, Bob