Alsobrook - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Alsobrook Family Cemetery, Atlanta, Fulton County, GA

vinyljunk — 2009-10-21 16:37:53Z

This sounds like my cousins' family. I'd be very interested in finding out what information you have about this project. I'll also pass any information to my cousins.

Re: Georgia Alsobrook

ralsobrook2 — 2009-10-19 02:40:42Z

Nothing has been proven, but everything points to it being the Isle of Wright in England.

Re: ALSOBROOK FAMILY LIVING IN TEXAS

ralsobrook2 — 2009-10-19 02:38:10Z

I can tell you a little about George M Alsobrook, who was mentioned in a historical paper as being brother to Dorothy (Alsobrook) Phillips. Dorothy's father was said to be named John in this same paper.

Re: Martha J Alsobrook

@@pepi_74871@yahoo.com — 2009-05-28 11:49:50Z

All I know about the divorce is what I've been told, I have no records. Also, I do not have birth/death dates/places on Franklin Redwine, but their marriage license dated Sept. 22, 1904 says he is only 24 years old, 11 years junior to Martha, who was then listed as 35. If they were divorced by the 1910 census, they would have been married about 6 years. She may have reverted to using Lewis name and didn't want to be known as a "divorcee"???
Their two daughters were born:
Maime Frances Redwine, born Nov. 13, 1905 in Byars, OK; died May 19, 1981 in California. Maime married Martha's third husband's son Benjamin Franklin Gish and had two children by him: Albert and Mary Gish.
Ruby Redwine, orn Jan 1907 in Byars, OK; died before 1979; was married to ? Webster.

Re: Blount Alsobrook

MaryAshley51 — 2009-05-26 13:33:31Z

I assume you mean William Alsobrook who married Alice Sessums? According to family letters, William Alsobrook was an only child. His dad was killed in the Revolutionary War when he was very young. He was from Scotland Neck, Halifax, NC. We would love to find out who his grandparents were, and his mom's name!

Re: Blount Alsobrook

ralsobrook2 — 2009-05-26 13:32:55Z

According to Edna Margaret Buckingham Schneider, a granddaughter of Ella Alsobrooks Boone, William's Dad's will was written on this date and shows ten children: Isham, David, Sally, Delilah, William (jr), Jesse, Lotty (Dew), John, Mary (Grimmer), Nancy (Bynum), and Isom. She says, "I believe the William is not an actual Jr but William Brantley."

Re: Blount Alsobrook

JoEllen345 — 2009-05-26 13:31:55Z

Do you know who William ALsobrooks' brothers and sisters are by any chance???

Re: Martha J Alsobrook

ralsobrook2 — 2009-05-26 02:09:24Z

Are you sure about the divorce? Doesn't the 1910 census list her as a widow? Sloppy census records? Any dates and places for Franklin's birth and death?

Re: Martha J Alsobrook

@@pepi_74871@yahoo.com — 2009-05-22 11:54:46Z

Most of my information on the Alsobrooks came from Leslie Crunk, who did estensive research on the Alsobrooks(leslie.crunk@verizon.net).Also Mary Lee Long and Joe Alsobrook who have an Alsobrook reunion in July in Marlow, OK--descendants of Martha's brother Noah.
Also However, I do have a copy of the marriage license of Martha J. Alsobrook Lewis to Franklin Redwine, dated Sept. 22, 1904-(license says she was 35 and he was 24)-it just says Southern District of Indian Territory. They did live in Byars, OK which is in Cleveland, Co. Daughters of Martha and Frank: Maime Frances Redwine, b. Nov 13, 1905 and Ruby Redwine, b. Jan 1907 were from second marriage, NOT the first.
Martha (Mattie) divorced Frank sometime??? and perhaps the census worker assumed they were all Lewis if Martha went back to using that name. Martha was married two more times: to (1)Albert Gish (Maime married his son: Benjamin Gish and had two children: Albert and Mary Gish)
(2)Martha was last married to D. Cain, don't know if he died or they were divorced, had no children. When Martha died she was buried under the name Cain, but I always called her grandmother Lewis.
Martha had a brother Noah who lived in Marlow, Stephens Co, OK and may have gone there to be near family when divorced from Frank Redwine.
Altogether Martha and John Bell Lewis had 9 children: William T, John Milas, Sarah Elizabeth (Lizzie), Florence, Viola Lee (Maude), Eva Loucinda J., Elsie Durande, Joseph Bell, and Josephine LEWIS
With the two children Martha and Frank Redwine had--Martha gave birth to 11 chiildren.
My father, John Milas Lewis, had written in his Bible that his father, John Bell Lewis, died in 1904.
I hope I was able to clear up some things for you. Mary

Re: Martha J Alsobrook

ralsobrook2 — 2009-05-03 17:17:29Z

This family is very confusing. The census records make it MORE confusing.

First, where did you get the birthdate for John Bell Lewis? I've had some confusion with the year. 1900 census concurs with the 1853, but one fairly reliable source had the year as 1863.

And about the date of marrying Redwine. Where did you get that? How reliable? I ask because here's the 1910 census and she's a "widow" with all her children with the last name of Lewis. Census takers make mistakes. So if you have reliable proof of the Redwine marriage date, I'd like to know that. This also indicates that John Bell would have had to be alive in 1907 to have fathered Ruby.
1910 in Stephens co OK
Mattie J Lewis 38 TX
Viola L Lewis 17 TX
Elsie D Lewis 14 TX
Joseph B Lewis 10 TX
Josephine Lewis 8 TX
Mamie F Lewis 4 OK
Rubie L Lewis 2 OK
I'M SO CONFUSED!!

Re: Nathaniel Thomas ALSOBROOK

teristonegodena — 2009-05-03 03:48:20Z

A Nathaniel Thomas Alsobrook of Shelby, Tn. was my great grandfather. His son Ashley was my mother's father. I had thought his wife's name was Mary Virginia Wood but my information could be wrong. I would love to hear more about the family.

Re: Martha Alsobrook

@@pepi_74871@yahoo.com — 2009-05-01 13:16:18Z

John Bell Lewis (b. Dec, 1853, TX; d. Apr, 1904, OK) and Martha Jane Alsobrook (b. Jun 18, 1866; d. Feb. 1, 1956, Guthrie, OK)were married May 15,1884 in Caldwell, TX. They had 9 children:
1. William T. Lewis b.Jun 16, 1885, TX; d. before 1979
2. John Milas Lewis b. Jul 26, 1888, Throckmorton Co, TX; d. Oct. 18, 1979, El Reno, OK
3. Sarah Elizabeth (Lizzie)Lewis b. Jun 3, 1889, TX; d. Apr. 19, 1979, Yuba City, Ark.
4. Florence Lewis b. 1890, TX; d. before 1900
5. Viola Lee (Maude)Lewis b. Jun 26, 1892; d. Aug. 7, 1974, El Reno, OK
6. Eva Loucinda (Lou) J. Lewis b. Jan. 4, 1894, TX; d. 1955
7. Elsie Durand Lewis b. Dec. 13, 1896, Lockhart, TX; d. Oct. 9, 1972, El Reno, OK
8. Joseph Bell Lewis b. Jun. 21, 1899, Throckmorton Co, TX; d. Aug. 23, 1990, El Reno, OK
9. Josephine Lewis b. Jan.4, 1901

After John Bell Lewis died (1904) Martha Jane Alsobrook Lewis married Frank Redwine (b. about 1880)Sept 22, 1904, Purcell, OK and had two daughters:
1. Maime Frances Redwine b. Nov. 13, 1905, Byars, OK; d. May 19, 1981, CA
2. Ruby Redwine b. Jan, 1907, Byars, OK; d. before 1979

Martha Jane Alsobrook Redwine married two more times, no children: Albert Gish; D. Cain.

Re: Blount Alsobrook

MaryAshley51 — 2009-04-28 12:47:29Z

Hi Rosalyn,
Funny, I just shot you off an email this morning. Harry B. Alsobrook could not be Blount, because little Harry B. died 11 Dec 1811.

William Alsobrook (b. 16 Dec 1774, d. 20 Jul 1843 Franklin Co., AL) married Alice Sessums (b. 1 Dec 1771 Edgecomb Co., NC, d.28 Sep 1847 Franklin Co., AL) on 19 Feb 1797. They had the following children:
Lunsford Long Alsobrook, b. 14 Nov 1799, Halifax Co., NC
Kindred N. Alsobrook, b. 1 Feb 1801, Halifax Co., NC
Jacob S. Alsobrook, b. 8 Apr 1803, Halifax Co., NC
Lewis D. Alsobrook, b. 21 Aug 1805, Halifax Co., NC
William Brantley Alsobrook, b. 15 Aug 1807, Halifax Co., NC
Martha Ann Alsobrook, b. 15 Apr 1809, Halifax Co., NC
Harry B. Alsobrook, b. 12 May 1811, Halifax Co., NC
Henry R. Alsobrook, b. 28 Feb 1813, Halifax Co., NC
Mary Eliza Alsobrook, b. 24 Apr 1815, Halifax Co., NC

As I mentioned in my email to you, I have info on all these kids, and can send you a report. Let me know!
Mary

Re: Georgia Alsobrook

dragonseyes90 — 2009-04-28 12:07:59Z

do you know where they samuel alsobrooke immigrated from .
the owen side i don't know much but my dad may know thanks

Re: Georgia Alsobrook

ralsobrook2 — 2009-04-27 17:39:35Z

Ah, yes, Willie W Fullilove. If I said William, I guess I was mixing the two in my head. I need to be more careful.

Re: Georgia Alsobrook

ralsobrook2 — 2009-04-27 17:34:47Z

First, I'd like to know if you have Thomas A Owen in your data. My biological father was named Owen. Just curious.

As for Georgia...Nothing about her personally, but her ancestry is as follows.

As I told you, her father was William Newton Alsobrook b. 1886
His father was Joseph Duran Alsobrook b. 1859

His father was Duran Newton Alsobrook b. about 1831

His father was Howell Newton Alsobrook b. 1796

His father is supposedly Claburn Alsobrook b. about 1765

If Claburn is the father then you'd want to know his father, Howell Alsobrook Jr b. about 1746

Howell's father was, of course, Howell Alsobrook Sr.

His father was Samuel Alsobrook Jr. b. about 1694
And his father was the immigrant Samuel Alsobrook Sr. His name is found spelled Samuel and Samuelle and the last name is found spelled Alsobrook and Alsobrooke. He was brought over by Benjamin Harrison as an indentured servant. He worked off his servitude and became a land owner and tax payer, which helped researchers keep up with him once he landed on the tax rolls.

Re: Blount Alsobrook

ralsobrook2 — 2009-04-27 12:16:45Z

Is there a Harry B? For some reason, I combined those two records years ago, having come to the conclusion there was no Blount and for some reason, wondered if Harry B and Blount were confused. Who ARE the children of William and Alice?

Re: Georgia Alsobrook

dragonseyes90 — 2009-04-27 12:14:49Z

she married Milburn Dee Fullilove, not William, William was my granpa's dad

Re: Martha Alsobrook

ralsobrook — 2007-05-26 18:27:33Z

So you are saying that Martha Jane Alsobrook b. 1866 was your great grandmother? Eva Lou Lewis was your granmdother? Was your grandfather a Woods or a Fitzgerald? Were they your maternal or paternal grandparents?

Possible ALSOBROOK DNA Project

jlowery000 — 2007-03-14 23:21:08Z

Hello all, I am trying to find out if there is any interest between the male descendants of the surname ALSOBROOK (of all spellings) in participating in a DNA project to find close common ancestry. I am descended from George M ALSOBROOK born 1824 in TN and died in 1900 in TX. There are no male descendants of this George.

I know there are alot of people out there that are apprehensive to participate in DNA project, but I want you to know that the testing is painless, done in your home, and the test results are held in the strictest of confidence.

Testing of the Y-Chromosome can only be done of direct male descendants of ALSOBROOKs. Women can get a brother, uncle, father, or friend as participants, but the women can be the direct contact person for testing results. The names of the participants are kept secret and only passed on to others if the participant wants to discuss the test or their research out side of the group.

If you have ever thought about doing the testing, please contact me off board and I will fill you in more. Give you links that you can visit to find out more on the projects.

If I can get enough interest in the project, I will act as administrator of the project or co-administartor if someone else wants to work on it. I am the administrator of another project and we are starting to have some success stories come out of our results.

Look forward to hearing from some of you real soon. My email address is jlowery000@aol.com. Good luck and good hunting in your researches.

Nathaniel Thomas ALSOBROOK

jlowery000 — 2007-10-03 17:56:25Z

I am seeking to correspond with any descendants or people interested in the Nathaniel Thomas ALSOBROOK line of Shelby Co, TN and DeSoto Co, MS. Nathaniel was born on 31 Dec 1822 in TN and died on 22 Jul 1890 either in TN or MS. He was married to Mary Elizabeth WOOD on 12 Oct 1846 in Shelby Co, TN.

I beleive he may have been the son of a John ALSOBROOK born in NC, moved to SC, Lincoln Co, TN and on to Shelby Co, YTN where he died before 1850 census. I would like to bounce my ideas off of someone who is related or interested in this family.

I am a descendant of George ALSOBROOK who may have been his brother along with a Joseph M., Louisa (married James CLARK in Shelby Co, TN), Dorothy (who married Benjamin PORTER), Wesley, and some others.

Please contact me if interested in talking about this family.

Alsobrook Family Cemetery, Atlanta, Fulton County, GA

reneebb — 2008-02-16 04:54:23Z

Working on a National Register of Historic Places nomination with a local community group. This cemetery is located in the proposed area. Have found records of burials from Garrett's Necrology file (Amos, Catherine, David, J.C., Julia E., Julia J., Sarah S. Wilson C. and John Higgins) ca. 1931. File also notes 17 other visible graves. Recent visit finds it overgrown and only a few markers remaining, one for two infants. Neighbors in the area have noted the cemetery was maintained by Catholic church members over the years. If you are a descendant or an Alsbrook researcher with interest in this cemetery, please contact me. It is our intent to help preserve this cemetery and obtain information on the association between this family and the owners of the land before it was developed in the 1950's. Many thanks.

Re: Georgia Alsobrook

dragonseyes90 — 2009-04-27 12:14:27Z

She had my mom Jenice Madaline Fullilove, Cindy Fullilove, Bonnie B. Fullilove, and Milburn Fullilove Junior, this her children, Georgia Alsobrook

and my mom, Georgia's first child, Jenice Fullilove married Robert C. Owen, had

me Machelle Lynn Owen Medders, My husband is Eric Christopher Medders my children are Chelsea Marie Owen, Tabitha Lee Medders, Jade Willow Medders

and my brother Robert Milburn Owen, married Laurie Gertrude Moon Owen, Daughter is Carrie Ann Owen

My Aunt, Georgia's second child ,Cindy Fullilove married Max Delgidilo and had Pete Delgidilo, and a stepson Greg Deldidilo, Max Delgidilo has passed away,

My uncle ,Georgia's third child Milburn Fullilove Junior, was born mentally handicapped because of delayed birth and caused lack of oxygen to his brain. No children

My Aunt, Georgia's fourth child, Bonnie B. Fulliove has married David Dubois, and had Sammuel Wade Dubois, and Jacob Dubois, Sammuel Dubois has a son named Zayden Dubois

If you know anymore on my grandma Georgia Alsobrook let me know, I really wish I could have knew her more she died when I was 16, thanks for telling all you have.

Machelle

Georgia Alsobrook

dragonseyes90 — 2008-07-14 03:43:50Z

does anyone know my grandmother, she married Milburn Fullilove and i didn't get to know her well , if anyone knew her let me know thanks so much

Re: Alsobrook Family Cemetery, Atlanta, Fulton County, GA

MaryAshley51 — 2008-05-05 18:43:16Z

Hi,
Thanks for your post. I am an Alsobrook researcher, and would be interested in whatever you find. Please keep me informed.
Mary

Blount Alsobrook

MaryAshley51 — 2009-02-28 15:04:24Z

Hello all you Alsobrook researchers out there: thought you'd like to know that Blount Alsobrook was NOT a child of William Alsobrook and Alice Sessums, nor was he a child of their son William Brantley Alsobrook Sr. and Caroline Permelia Allen. This seems to be a mistake that was posted online a few years ago, and it has taken on a life of it's own, proliferating all over. I am a descendant of William and Alice, and my cousins and I are all sure 100% that it is not true. Hope this posting helps someone down the road. Thanks! Mary

Jacob Eaton Alsobrook

MaryAshley51 — 2008-01-07 03:12:24Z

Looking for information about the family of Jacob Eaton Alsobrook (b.3 Apr 1827, d.5 Mar 1896 GA); parents Lunsford Long Alsobrook (parents William Alsobrook and Alice Sessums) and Temperance Eaton. Especially interested in information about the Sessums family, and any info on the descendants of Jacob Eaton Alsobrook.
Thanks!

Re: Benjamin Franklin Alsobrook / Mary Elizabeth Ballard

ralsobrook2 — 2009-04-26 19:14:45Z

I just now stumbled across this. I have that David A Alsobrook b. 1819 in NC is the father of Benjamin Franklin Alsobrook, known as Ben to his family. And I have that Nancy Ward was his mother. I have very little info on these two. I do know that David was married to Mary Jane Pittman first and had several children, but she drops out by the 1860 census. Ben was born in 1866, thus Nancy must be his mother. If you are still out there and want to share info, feel free to contact me at rosalyn@etex.net

Re: Georgia Alsobrook

ralsobrook2 — 2009-04-26 18:48:55Z

I didn't know her, but I do have her in my database. I have that she was born Georgia Loretta Alsobrook on April 24, 1924 in Texas and that she died on August 23 1986 in Dry Creek, Beauregard Parish, Louisiana. She married William D Fullilove in about 1946.

Her father was William Newton Alsobrook b. Aubust 8 1886 in Tilmon, Caldewell, Texas. Her mother was Anthia Viola Halbert b. about 1895 in Texas. (she was 35 in the 1930 census).

You go farther up this family tree and you find Duran Newton Alsobrook b. about 1831 who had the misfortune of annoying his daughter in law, Georgia Ann (Malone) Alsobrook, who managed to have him committed to a state asylum rather than deal with him any longer. This is an interesting story that ends with her getting tired of having him around so she enraged him to the point he struck her, and with poor Duran Newton living the rest of his life in a state hospital. I would love to see the state records for this poor man. Georgia Ann was a very strong willed woman to say the least.

All branches of the Alsobrook family seem to have some interesting tidbits like this.

I do not have all the info on Georgia's children. Would you mind filling me in on children and grandchilden?

Re: Nathaniel Thomas ALSOBROOK

ralsobrook2 — 2009-04-26 18:16:58Z

I have 12 James C Alsobrooks in my database. Which one is your grandfather. What's his date of birth? I don't have your information in my database as of yet and would love to add it. I have over 16000 names in my database and yours is not one of them.

Re: Martha Alsobrook

ralsobrook2 — 2009-04-25 12:49:44Z

I have no concrete proof, but I believe John Alsobrook, father of Dorothy Alsobrook mentioned in the J.C. Porter manuscript will be his father. It's online somewhere but I can't find the link at the moment. But here's a direct quote....From the J. C. Porter Manuscript: "In 1853 my uncle George Alsobrook lived with us." J. C. Porter's family lived in the part of Uphsur County that became Camp County.
Mary Ann, who he eventually marries, was already in Upshur County, shown as a fourteen year old living with her father in 1850.

Re: Martha Alsobrook

ralsobrook2 — 2007-05-27 18:08:03Z

email me at rosalyn@etex.net if you don't mind helping me fill in this part of my Alsobrook database. Mine has a LOT of holes in it.

Re: Martha Alsobrook

ralsobrook2 — 2007-05-27 16:43:00Z

So is your last name Louderback?

Re: Nathaniel Thomas ALSOBROOK

laidbackinkc — 2009-04-14 08:02:19Z

My name is James John Alsobrook. My father is Lewis Phillip Alsobrook and my grandfather was James C. Alsobrook. I was told that most of my family is out of TN. If this helps you in anyway let me know.

Re: Temperance Catherine Alsobrook

elb141 — 2007-04-01 19:12:03Z

Dear John,

I haven't heard from you in awhile, and am not sure if you received my last few postings.

I found today a transcription of a notice in a newspaper, THE UNION RECORDER, printed in Baldwin County. Under JONES COUNTY LEGAL NOTICES, it reported the property belonging to the estate of William lane, late of the said county, deceased, was to be sold on the first Tuesday in January, before the courthouse door.

If you don't have a definite date for William's death,, this doesn't give the exact date, but proves he was deceased by, or before, November of 1838.

Always,
Lynn

Re: Temperance Catherine Alsobrook

elb141 — 2007-03-26 01:45:02Z

Dear Ron,

Here's the information you asked for.

BOND BOOK A. PAGE 232. 07 JANUARY 1839.

Temperance Lane is GUARDIAN of
Martha Ann Lane
William O. Lane
Mary Ann M. Lane
Landon G.Lane
Elizabeth H.Lane
SURETY: Brantley W. Alsobrooks and James W. Alsobrooks.

NOTE FROM ME: James Wesley Alsobrook is the only proven son of Landon Alsobrook, but Brantley W. Alsobrook, although unproven, is very probably also a son of Landon. This was a conclusion reached by me and Michael Wren, independently of each other, some years ago. We also both, and independently of each other, suspected your Temperance is Landon's daughter.

The five children named in in this document in January of 1839 are five of the six children listed for Temperance in the 1840 census. Since the three middle children are listed in order of age, it's not certain, but seems likely, Martha Ann was the oldest, and Elizabeth H. the youngest.

Not unless Temperance gave birth in 1839, after William Lane's death, could the sixth child on the 1840 census be hers. Had she been expecting, they would probably have named her as guardian of "the child she goes with". They didn't though, so it's unlikely she was carrying a child. The sixth child under 10 listed with her seems likely to have been someone else's.

James Wesley Alsobrook married in 1839. His first known child was born in 1841. Not unless a child, born prior to that, died, could he and his wife be the POSSIBLE couple in Temperance's home in 1840.

PERHAPS Martha married in 1839, and had a child before 1840. If so, she was too old to have been a child of Temperance's, and MAY have been a stepdaughter.

There are other possibilities though - an unknown couple with a child, a young widow with a child, and a male relative, or employee, etc..

Michael Wren, in an Email, told me the following:

1. He reminded me Temperance Alsobrook, suspected daughter of Landon, married secondly William Jackson. (He didn't know her daughter, Mary Lane, married William Jackson's brother, Green Thompson Jackson.)
2. He reported the 1831 tax list showed Landon Alsobrook the adjoining landowner to a Jackson.
3. He reported the 1836 tax digest showed Brantley Alsobrook paid taxes for Celia Jackson, and as a guardian of Nancy Jackson.
He asked, "Who are the Jacksons?". I couldn't answer.

That (1.) Landon lived next door to a Jackson, (2.) Brantley paid taxes for an aparrently widowed Jackson, and MAY have been guardian of an orphaned Jackson, (3.)Temperance married a Jackson, as did her daughter, and (5) Brantley and James W. gave surety for the widowed Temperance, all provides circumstantial evidence that these Alsobroks (Landon, Brantley, James W., and Temperance) were members of the same family. Given their estimated ages, circumstantially it would appear Brantley, James, and Temperance, were brothers and sister, and Landon was their father. (Jesse H. and Lewis are also suspected sons, and Elizabeth Alsobrook, who married William Booker in 1847, and was living next door to William and Temerance Jackson in 1850, is suspected of being a poosible sister.)

Always,
Lynn

Re: Temperance Catherine Alsobrook

elb141 — 2007-03-25 21:40:24Z

Dear Ron,

I had to look up some information on Temperance and her family before I could make suggestions about the questions raised by the census records.

1830 Census
Temperance was born CIRCA 1808, and was ABOUT 19 when she married in January of 1827. In 1830, her husband reported her as 15-20. It's quite possible William didn't know her certain age, and thought she was maybe around 17 when they married, and so about 20 in 1830. It's not unusual for people to be "off" by several years in guesssing ages. Besides which, her birth year isn't certain anyway, so maybe she was a couple of years younger than thought.

Married three years, she could certainly have had a daughter under five. However, since the oldest child she could have had was a two year told, the girl between 5 and 10, doesn't seem likely to have been hers. It isn't likely anyone would have thought a 2 year old was 5 or older.

There are four possibilities - (1.) the census taker marked two slashes in the under 5 column, rather than writing the number 2, and one was mistakenly thought to have been in the next column, (2.)They'd taken in a family member's child, or (3) William was a widower with a daughter when they married. I'd reccomend you look at a microfilmed copy of the census to see if it might have been misread, and/or see if there isn't record of a previous marriage for William Lane.

1840 Census
Temperance was ABOUT 32. (Your posting said "about 42".)
She'd been married for ABOUT 13 years at the most, and probably less, having been widowed an undetermined amount of time. She had 3 known children under 10 - William 9, Mary 8, and Green 5. It's possible she had three other children under 10, having given birth to as many as 6 children in the 10 year interval between 1830 and 1840.

The 20 to 30 year old male couldn't have been hers, but it's possible the 15 to 20 year old female was the female between 5 to 10 in 1830. She would have been 15 to 20 in 1840.

The female under five in 1830 couldn't have been more than 2, her parents having been married only 3 years. It's not impossible, but is unlikely, an 11 or 12 year old would have been mistaken in 1840 for a 15 year old.The most likely guess is that Temperance's first child, a daughter born between 1828 and 1830, died in childhood, and by/before 1840.

There's another possibility though. Tempreance was a young widow with a faily of small children. She would have needed help. Her brother, James Wesley Alsobrook, married in 1839. In 1840, he was between 20 and 30, and his wife between 15 and 20. They could have been living with her. Another possibility is that the older girl on the 1830 census was married, and the man her husband.

The older girl, if married, would have had the status of an adult, and wouldn't have been named as one of William Lane's "orphans". Only three were named though, so three of the six children under 10 in 1840 are missing. It's possible one or more died before the records were made, and also possible, they were children of the adult male and female living with Temperance.

Temperance married in January of 1827, and her oldest known child fathered by William Lane, was William A. Lane, born circa 1831. That's four years after they married, and so it isn't likely he was her first child, supporting the possibility her firstborn, possibly a daughter born betweeen 1828 and 1830, died in childhood.

Looking at her second marriage, she bore her first known child by William Jackson at the age of ABOUT 38, and had three more in six years, her last known child fathered by him, born when she was 44. It seems likely then, that unless William Lane died around 1835, when her last known child fathered by him, was born, that she probably did have more children by William Lane than just the three that are identified.

I hope this helps, but fear I may have added to the confusion.

Always,
Lynn

Re: Temperance Catherine Alsobrook

elb141 — 2007-03-08 11:14:51Z

Dear Kate,

My gandmother, born in 1897, knew her grandmother Lucinda Elizabeth Alsobrook Champion, quite well. She told me her grandmother's mother (Phoebe Lindsey Alsobrook) was " a Lindsey", and her grandmother was very proud of her Lindsey connections, saying the Lindseys were "a fine famly".

Always,
Lynn

Re: Temperance Catherine Alsobrook

elb141 — 2007-03-25 16:26:41Z

Dear Cousin Kate,

I'm sorry it took me so long to answer. I was out of town, and bogged down in problems with a deadbeat renter who trashed a house I own, and ran off with a couple of months of rent unpaid.

The information you sent, the documents, wouldn't open. I don;t know why, but Nellie's wanniversary photographs wouldn't open either. I was really disappointed in both cases.

This is off the subject, but I've often wondered why Joseph Harrison was given the name Harrison. It's a surname, and I've wondered who he was named for. Do you know?

Well, got to go! It's the now the final grading period in the school year, and the end of year work is piling up!

Always,
Lynn

Re: Temperance Catherine Alsobrook

elb141 — 2007-03-25 16:18:00Z

Dear Ron,

Our ancestors rarely had written birth records. There were Baptismal records in some cases, giving an approximated date of birth, but they were held in the church, and were often far away and unreachable. Where there were family Bibles with records, there was only one, and it was often in the hands of someone else, and so also far away and unreachable.

Bible records weren't always altogether reliable either. families often acquired a Bible when they could afford one, and recorded events long after they'd happened, drawing on memory and guessing to do so. When all the children, or all except the youngest, were born two years apart, they were very probably guessing at the years of birth, remembering they were all born about two years apart. The same is true when all, or the oldest, were born in the same two or three months. That often means they remembered the season in which the child was born, not necessarily the exact month, and so guessed it was a month in about the middle of that season.

And since they didn't celebrate birthdays, they had no annual reminder of how old they, or their children, were. They had to guess, and they often guessed wrong, and sometimes repeatedly so.

Further complicating things are the fact infant and child mortality rates were high. Where they had only four or five children, there's a good chance they'd lost a few, but it can be hard to tell because of the conflicting ages they give for their children. You don't know in some of the age groupings, if a child has died, and another child has been born, or if they were guessing a child to be younger than he/she was.

Another problem results from taking in orphaned children of family members, or having a needy child bound to them, or even of a wife dying without record, and a man remarrying a widow with a child.

Pre 1850 census records are especially frustrating to work from, but post 1850 records can be tough too. The ages are often inaccurate, and sometimes they gave the proper name of the child to the census taker, and sometimes the name by which the child was called. Beginning genealogists are often stumped at finding Martha, who should have been fifteen, appearing as twelve year old Patsey, or Mary Ann who should have been twelve, appearing as fifteen year old Polly.

Pre 1850 census records need to be seen in microfilmed copies of the originals. There were no lines going down the pages, clearly dividing the different age groupings. It's sometimes hard to tell exactly which age grouping the people were in. They also sometimes forgot to include someone, or left them out because they weren't at home. They also sometimes missed families altogether.

But, of course, this is all part of what makes genealogy so challenging, and even though it's frustrating, the fact it's so challenging is probably a large part of what keeps most of us doing it.

Always,
Lynn

Re: Martha Alsobrook

rubylouderback30 — 2007-05-27 02:40:10Z

zettie bernice watkins

Re: Martha Alsobrook

rubylouderback30 — 2007-05-27 02:25:04Z

my maiden name is woods my fathers name was woods

Re: Martha Alsobrook

rubylouderback30 — 2007-05-27 02:23:57Z

my maiden name is woods

Re: Martha Alsobrook

rubylouderback30 — 2007-05-27 02:39:25Z

eva lou married thomas watkins. my mother zettir bernice watkins married herbert l woods

Re: Martha Alsobrook

rubylouderback30 — 2007-05-27 16:59:13Z

yes it is first name ruby

Re: Martha Alsobrook

Llrddvl279 — 2007-05-23 18:41:59Z

sorry i meant eva lou was my grandmother

Re: Martha Alsobrook

Llrddvl279 — 2007-05-23 18:41:17Z

martha lewis was my great grandmother and eva loy was my grandmother

Re: Temperance Catherine Alsobrook

rajohn2861 — 2007-03-23 16:56:32Z

Lynn,

I tried to contact Michael Wren, but could reach the e-mail address in your note. I have done some more digging and have found what I believe to be James Alsabrooks in the 1820 Census for Jones County, p. 117A (same page as Asa). The fifth name on the page is almost illegible, but it appears as though it could be James. My eyesight is not as good as it once was, so I would like to hear other opinions.

I was very excited to read your note on the Guardianship record for Temperance Lane. I assume the bond was recorded in Jones County. I do question the date of 07 January 1830. According to the 1850 Census, the children William, Mary Ann and Green L (Landon) were born about 1831, 1832 and 1835.

Unfortunately, just as I think I am making progress in my search, more contradictions are uncovered as I look through the early Census data. I do realize, however, the ages were often recorded inaccurately.

In 1840, a household is found in Jones County for Temperance Lane with eight individuals, six of them children under 10. One male is listed, age 20-30 and one female age 15-20. By this time, Temperance was about 42.

In 1830, I find one Jones County household for William Lane, age 20-30, and three females, one under 5, one 5-10 and one 15-20.

Also, I do not have the record you mentioned concerning James Alsabrook's guardianship of the orphans of Benjamin Lane. Can you tell me when and where it was recorded?

Thanks again,
Ron Johnson

Re: Temperance Catherine Alsobrook

rajohn2861 — 2007-04-01 20:34:11Z

Lynn,

I have read all the postings. I really appreciate all the time and effort you have spent providing me with so much infomation.

I have been looking through my files for any information on the Celia Jackson you mentioned from correspondence with Michael Wren. I don't believe there is a direct connection with my John Jackson (c.a. 1784-1859), unless she was married to a brother of his, or maybe a cousin. (I haven't been able to identify John's siblings or parents.) I will try to contact some sources I have corresponded with in the past who have researched the various Jackson families of Jones County and will post when I find anything.

Thanks again,
Ron Johnson

Re: Martha Alsobrook

mclhclan — 2009-04-24 12:14:10Z

looking for the parents of george m' alsobrook born 1824 either in tenn. or texas died in 1900 in cass co. texas with burial at union hill cementary, wife mary mitchell born in texas 1858 died in cass co. texas 1913.
thanks
mclhclan