Avern - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: avern

nicoli53 — 2013-05-10 18:58:52Z

I see this message is about eight years old so I don't know if I am a bit late for this conversation! Before I married my surname was Barris. My late father was called John Barris. His father was Jose the son of Arturo Barris. Jose married Marguerite Avern. They were the son and daughter of the two partners Barris and Avern who owned the cork merchants in Silves in Portugal. My father also told me that the owned cork trees in Portugal and Morocco. He also shied me photos of the cork factory in Palafrugel. This is all I know about this side of my family,

Re: Avern and cork manufacturers.

art_of_the_sea — 2012-12-29 23:10:22Z

Hello, although it is long ago that you posted your message, please check on facebook for pictures of the factory in Silves. I come from Holland, but I live in Silves. I hope the direct link is ok, otherwise you have to check the following page on Facebook: Silves. Imagens com história
https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Silves-Imagens-com-Hist%C3...

Good luck!

Best regards, Anja

Eliza Goodrich

dunholm — 2011-09-09 06:24:15Z

Well, it is 9 years since you posted, but your ancestor Eliza Goodrich is probably the same one as my ancestor, so if you want a little more pedigree, have a look at my pubic family tree.

Regards,

Nigel

Re: James Avern Borne in Knowle lived in Rowington

marjorie902 — 2011-08-04 06:53:33Z

No .............James born in 1805-1864 was married to Elizabeth Ann Taylor 1810- 1897
He was a carpenter there children were
Mary 1829
William 1834
Ann 1838
Sara 1843 (my Paternal great grand mother)
and Issac 1848.
There is a James Avern born in Middlesex 1839 who might be a possible.
there is another Avern Family who were CORK makers and has a lot to do with Portugal maybe he is there branch

Re: James Avern Borne in Knowle lived in Rowington

tigerlily46 — 2011-08-03 21:16:02Z

Is this the same Captain James Avern, master of SS Patna in 1882 on the Karachi-London voyage?

Re: Avern's in Rowington Warwickshire

GYoung48 — 2011-07-11 17:30:59Z

Hello Marjorie, thanks for the offer of copies, my email is gyoungest@gmail.com. Regards

Re: Avern's in Rowington Warwickshire

marjorie902 — 2011-07-11 05:25:12Z

John William Ryland only ever did the 2 books both about Rowington one in 1800 odd the other 1920ish
they are quite rare. If you would like, and send me your email address i can copy the relevant pages to you. Or if you are not happy with that I know the Rowington Historical Society has at least one of them

Re: Avern's in Rowington Warwickshire

GYoung48 — 2011-07-10 17:29:27Z

Good Morning Marjorie and thank you for your reply. Could you tell me the name of the book. Regards, Gay

Re: Avern's in Rowington Warwickshire

marjorie902 — 2011-07-10 08:44:36Z

in a book by j w ryland there is referece to a Thomas Wallis of Rowington
once at a meeting respecting common lands dated 13/11/1809
another dated28/6/1848 where he is referred to as a gentleman..to do with deeds of Feoffment,
The last on 2/8/1811
where new Feoffes were appointed Thomas being among them
they were appoined by John Bradbury, Thomas smith and Richard AVERN

Re: Avern's in Rowington Warwickshire

GYoung48 — 2011-07-09 15:30:40Z

Thank you so much, a few new surnames and dates.
Regards, G

Re: Avern's in Rowington Warwickshire

marjorie902 — 2011-07-09 14:52:37Z

There is a Rowington Historical Society that is very good and very helpful
I have a John Avern b 1710 Marrying Elizabeth Wallis b 1709

then there is John Wallis b 10/11/1696-20/3/1765 marries Catherine Avern on 3/12/1717 she was born b22/5/1694
there Children were
Liz 1718
Sara 1719
Catherine 1723
John 29/11/1720-3/1/1803 he marries Ann? 1743- 1828
there son is Stephen.16/5/1766-1849 who marries Mary Osbourne 1769-1832.
Back to Catherine 1964 her parents were Clement Avern bB1666-1703 and Katherine Satchwell b1653-1710
Hope this is of help.

Re: Avern's in Rowington Warwickshire

GYoung48 — 2011-07-07 17:47:43Z

Hello, I am researching the Wallis family of Rowington, the earliest marriage I have is that of John Wallis and Catherine Avern 3 Dec 1717 at Coventry. Would you have any further Wallis information?
Regards, G Young

Re: Avern and cork manufacturers.

bwaterfield143 — 2011-04-23 20:14:04Z

re Averns in late 19th century: Do you have any info on Henry Avern who married Helena Cullum in 1898? She is my daughter's great grand mother and we can't find info about her parents and her date of birth.
Have just been to Co Kerry in Ireland where she was brought up
Barbara

Re: Avern and cork manufacturers.

bwaterfield143 — 2011-04-23 20:14:02Z

Re: AVERN

kirstylou310381 — 2009-09-01 23:04:38Z

hi jill hope you can help me, i have a john george avern in my family tree and am looking to try to gain more information about him as he has always been a bit of a mystery to the family would you be willing to help me at all the only thing i know is that he had died by 1935 and had a young daughter who may have lived with a william/ willie avern

many thanks

AVENT/AVANCE and Variants Surname DNA Project

gapier66 — 2008-08-29 01:05:12Z

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We have created a Surname Group Project for the Avent/Avance surnames, which includes the variants: Avents, Aven, Avens, Avants, Avan, and possibly even some with the surname Evans.

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Re: averns

marjorie902 — 2008-04-20 16:03:33Z

thankyou that would wonderful, I am off for a week as from tomorrow I will swap info when I get back OK I do have some info on a London Avern and a Wine shop including a court notice for his employee

Re: averns

Tina_Avern — 2008-04-20 12:06:33Z

Marjorie,
I have started to compile my family tree. The earliest date I have found (to date) is 1788, James Avern, a Cork Cutter from Lambeth in London. If you are interested, once I have worked on it, I could send you a copy.
I know that James William Avern DOB 1827) was a "Cork Cutter, and teaveller with corks". Some of his children were born in Lambeth, and some in Southampton.

Kind Regards
Tina Avern

Re: averns

marjorie902 — 2008-04-18 13:16:55Z

I too would like to know more about the London Averns.
I have deatils on The ROWINGTON and Warwickshire (area) Averns going back to 1493.
Then of course there are the Chester Averns who started the Cork industry there,which I belive is still going in Portugual
Marjorie

Re: averns

Tina_Avern — 2008-04-17 20:47:46Z

Hi Chris,

This is your cousin Tina Avern. I am working on the family tree at the moment, and will update you as soon as I gather enough information to be of interest. Our tree currently goes back to 1700's - We originated in Lambeth, some members moved to Southampton.
If you could send me your email address, I will contact you.
tina.avern1@btinternet.com
I hope you are all well.
Kind Regards
Tina

Weston

jorodama — 2006-11-11 13:50:25Z

Thomas Avern Weston Bank Manager 1800s District Bank Ltd Bury his son Arthur was Chief Inspector of District Bank Head Office Spring Gardens Manchester any info anybody please

Re: Avern Family

marjorie902 — 2006-10-02 12:26:23Z

Eileen cannot get thru to you will you please try my e.mailaddress
Marjorie

E mail address

marjorie902 — 2006-09-27 14:20:31Z

I have tried to get through 5 times and cannot I do not know why
Could you try me please.
Marjorie

Re: Avern Family

Perriss — 2006-09-27 06:56:19Z

If you click on my name it will show you my email address.

Re: Avern Family

2006-09-26 14:11:17Z

Eileen thankyou for your reply how do I contact you direct?

Re: Avern Family

Perriss — 2006-09-26 13:19:12Z

Hi Marjorie,

Had a prob with my pc and have had to buy a new one, most of my info (stupidly) was on the other one and not backed up to an external drive (yes I've learnt to do that now) so am waiting for a piece of hardware that should arrive in next few weeks that will give me access to the data. Let me know what you are interested in (contact me direct if you wish) and I will see if I have that particular info anywhere else.

Best wishes
Eileen

Avern Family

marjorie902 — 2006-09-26 08:25:49Z

Eileen
you seem to be the expert on the Avern Family . I am researching them but have quite a few gaps.
would you be willing to share your information
Marjorie

Re: Averns at the Malt House in Rowington

t_fouillard — 2006-09-24 18:41:43Z

Hi Nick,

In any of your references for the ownership of the Malt House does it say what the relationship is between the previous owner and the new one?

The reason I ask is because Marjorie and I are still trying to place family members and think it possible that the Thomas who left it to Thomas in 1792 may be the Thomas who died in Edgbaston in 1794 and was married to Hannah Nightingale and their son Thomas was born about 1757, matching the approx birth date for "Thomas the younger".

Also, in the will of William (dated 1775, died 1776) he left two farms in tenements to his grandsons Thomas & John, but named his son Thomas as executor and his other (eldest) son Clement got the main farm. I couldn't make out that he left his son Thomas anything.

Anyways, this leads in a roundabout way to the puzzle of which set of parents belonged to Thomas b. 1772/1773 who married Mary Ann Avern and was the husband mentionned in 1817, and to figuring out how Thomas & Mary Ann were related before they married each other.

Cheers,
Teresa

Re: AVERN

Perriss — 2006-05-09 22:04:24Z

I now have further information on our Sadler line, we believe that Sarah Jane Sadler/s parents were Robert Sadler and Margaret Aitkinson, does this have any links with the information you have?

Re: AVERN

Perriss — 2006-05-07 09:28:52Z

Dear Jill,

I hope that this message reaches you and finds you well. I have been doing some more research into the family line and have at last found a definite link between your John Francis and our George Avern. John Francis is one of the witnesses on George's marriage certificate and George also was in St. Clement, Dundee on the 1871 census. The only way to confirm they were brothers would be who John Francis' parents were which would be on his marriage certificate to Helen Laverock, do you have that? Or know who his parents were? George's parents were John Avern and Charlotte Wright, but I believe he may have remarried later on to an Emma Matilda Avern (this bit I cannot fully confirm as yet). It would be lovely to hear from you, if you can contact me directly on my email address I will give you my telephone number so we can have a chat.

Best wishes
Eileen

Re: Averns at the Malt House in Rowington

marjorie902 — 2006-05-06 16:37:49Z

I have details of Docment held at the British Museum Talking about land held by the Averns
John rental and Survey at Turners End
Roger At Rowington End (1548)
1555
John leases from Sir Nicholas Byrde land called Saint Marie Leyton ...for which he pays 10 shillings toward the church aisle.
Other land mentioned is Parke meadowe and Madmore. are any of these names familiar to you Did you manage to get to the Exhibition? on the 6th MAy

Re: Avern's in Rowington Warwickshire

marjorie902 — 2006-05-02 10:11:37Z

Avern tree
Roger dies 1588 sons Henry Thomas and Roger Daaghters Eleanor Ann and Catherine Wife Allys.
Lives in the Mill house/
A Thomas 1568c marries Annis. sons John Wiliam Edward and Gregory
Edward has a daughter Elizabeth
William has a daughter Judith
Gregory has a son Gregory and daughters Ann and Elizabeth
seems as if John is married twice one mariage to (unknown) Children
Richard 1617 Nicholas 1619-1635 and Edward who also dies in 1635
(I have details of Richards children + another wife Ann)
John Marries 2nd Wife Frances Wodams (1599-1635) in 1620
Children John 1625.Elizabeth Alice Clement .lots more info on the others
but my line goes Clement (1666-1703)son of John
Marries Sara Satchwell
Children Ann Catherine & William 1688-1776.
Wiliam maries Susanna.
Children Clement 1713 -1785 Elizabeth, Catherine, Thomas. John. and William
Clement marries twice one to a Mary Cookes they have a daughter Elizabeth
and to Mary Barnhurst
Children James 1758-1827 Susanna Robert Catherine Clement Josiah or Joseph Mary Ann and John.
James marries MAryann Burden
their Children James 1780, Mry Ann, Edward, Catherine Isaac and Rebecca (twins) Joseph William and Elizabeth. James Marries Sara Satchwell. There son James Marries Elizabeth Taylor also of Rowington
Hope this helps some of you Averns

Re: Averns at the Malt House in Rowington

marjorie902 — 2006-05-02 09:26:06Z

I am in contact with Teresa who shares lots of info with me.
Did you know that the Weather Vane on Rowington Church Has C A on it and the date 1760 It is for Clement Avern I have close up pictures of it
I have been so interested in the of this I am going to have a look for myself at the end of May
I have now found a "Roger" his will is dated 1588 He talks of the mill house.. Going back to Queen Elizabeth !st Reign
Marjorie

RE:Avern-Leightons

ANDREA16757 — 2006-04-22 00:41:20Z

Carol,
I have only just seen your notice about Oaklands Farm. This is a farm that my grandma often talked about. I know that she was born at Curworth and her mother was a Leighton and her G grandmother was an Avern.
i will try and find out more about the farm.

Re: Averns at the Malt House in Rowington

2006-04-17 17:32:47Z

Nick,

Thank you so much for the photos. Your cottage looks to be a good size. Given that when William Avern made his will in 1775 and left so much to so many descendants, I can only assume that he did fairly well. His son Clement who was left the farm and died in 1798 left the farm to his 2nd wife Mary. Clement & his 1st wife were the parents of James who married Mary Ann Burdon (Clement left sons James & Thomas the balance of his estate - I am assuming money) after the funeral expenses and his other bequests to his daughters) James & Mary Ann's daughter Rebecka who married Mark Sturley is where my line continues. From cemetery transcriptions both James [1827]& Mary Ann [1844]are buried at the Rowington cemetery, as are Clement and his 1st wife (both wives were named Mary) although Clement's headstone was partially unreadable when the transcription was done and parish records gave us the rest of the information. I did not find a cemetery record for William & Frances Gardner and do not currently have any dates for their deaths or those of their children.

Thanks again for the photos.
Teresa

Re: Averns at the Malt House in Rowington

2006-04-17 17:04:11Z

Teresa,
By way of apology for the confusion, and since it was a sunny day, I thought you might appreciate a few photos to give you some context:

Rowington church: http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/Rowington/Rowington/P...

My cottage today: http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/Rowington/Rowington/P...

The Avern plot in the churchyard, with the grave of Thomas and Mary Ann (confirming your dates!): http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/Rowington/Rowington/P...

Detail of above: http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/Rowington/Rowington/P...

Nick

Re: Averns at the Malt House in Rowington

2006-04-17 15:23:58Z

Teresa,

I think I have confused you; sorry! I don't live in the Malt House but in a cottage built on a piece of the land that used to belong to the Malt House (and the Averns). My original deeds record that my cottage was built by Mary Ann's father and sold by Thomas and Mary Ann to William Gardner in 1817 (presumably shortly after William Gardner married Frances, Mary Ann's sister.

Nick

Re: Avern's in Rowington Warwickshire

sdmorley1 — 2006-04-14 21:17:38Z

I just found your message regarding Averns of Rowington. I have information on the Averns who were farmers at Rowington. My great grandaunt Mary Morley married John Avern in 1891, and the family farm was eventually run & inherited by Mary's nephew, my great uncle, Phillip Morley, who was the last "family" owner of Old Field Hill Farm, Rowington. Family legend has it that the Averns had a coat of arms or family crest so am interested in finding info on that. Also information on the family, which seems to have come from Preston Bagot 2 generations prior.

Re: Avern's in Rowington Warwickshire

sdmorley1 — 2006-04-14 21:17:38Z

Hello Teresa

Thanks you for the e-mail regarding the Averns of Rowington. My connection with them is a minor one, but if it contributes to your info that is good to know.

The decendant's chart you had posted contains more information than I had, as I have only recently discovered who Thomas Avern's family were. I am interested in Thomas because he is listed as the father of John Avern, who married Mary Morley (my great grandaunt) on June 2 1891, at St. George's, Lower Brailes, Warwickshire. They had no children, and Mary's nephew Philip John Morley (1891 to 1954) inherited the farm. My father John Bradford was named after his uncle Philip ... hence the connection.

Regarding Old Field Hill farm, I cannot confirm the facts regarding this, but the family story os that the Averns originally owned Manor Farm, Thw Woodlands, Rowington - but moved to Old Field Hill Farm which was smaller. I believe that this took place during John Avern's lifetime.

I would be interested in any other information you have on the Avern family. Supposedly my family had other connections to them, but I have no details on that as none of the family who were aware of this could remember anything specific.

Regards

Susan Morley

Re: Averns at the Malt House in Rowington

2006-04-11 00:04:51Z

Re: Averns at the Malt House in Rowington

2006-04-10 20:27:53Z

Thanks Teresa, a few more missing pieces of the jigsaw!

I trawled the parish records and found what I think are the christening records of "my" Thomas and Mary-Ann:

28/6/1772 Thomas, son of William Avern and Mary his wife
28/9/1793 Mary-Ann, daughter of Thomas Avern and Mary his wife

I think this makes them cousins (or possibly second cousins) the dates and large age difference tally with the later census records.

Thanks for the info that William Gardner married an Avern.

This would explain why Thomas sold him my house, built on the corner of the Malt House land, in 1817; Gardner had married his sister-in-law.

Nick

Re: Averns at the Malt House in Rowington

t_fouillard — 2006-04-10 16:59:53Z

Nick,

The Avern family did seem to intermarry and as well they seemed to keep naming their children with all the same names!

Anyway, Thomas Avern who married Mary Ann Avern:
Thomas 1773 - 1852 & Mary Ann 1789-1870
Thomas' parents were Thomas 1728 - unknown and Elizabeth Abbotts unknown dates
Thomas senior's parents were William 1688-1776 and Susannah 1690-1759.

Mary Ann's parents were Thomas & Mary - so far I have no dates for them. Her siblings were Thomas 1791- and Frances 1793- who married William Gardner.

Mary Ann's father could be any number of Thomas Avern as both William and his son Clement mentionned a Thomas in their wills, while another William who died in 1811 also had a son Thomas and a grandson Thomas. We haven't figured it all out yet!

"Thomas and Mary Ann Avern (#86) were married in 1814 (he being previously married to Amey #90 died 1808) This Thomas lived at the Malt House and was miller of the Tom O The Wood Mill. Described in 1841 census as "Malster". In 1851 Thomas was 78 years and Mary Ann was 61 and their daughters Mary Ann aged 31 and Harriet aged 26 lived at home. By 1861 Thomas was dead and Mary Ann Snr farmed 14 acres with the help of her daughter, also Mary Ann."
(source Rowington cemetery fiche)

Teresa

Re: Avern's in Rowington Warwickshire

t_fouillard — 2006-04-10 04:47:02Z

Margaret,

Is this your William? We have been working hard on the Avern line and think we have come up with a few things. This is how we have the line going back from James:
James who married Mary Ann Burdon
Clement who married Mary Barnhurst (1st wife)
William who married Susanna
Clement born in Knowle and died in 1703 and who married Catherine Satchwell

Let me know if you can add anything or would like more of what I have

Teresa

Descendants of William Avern

1 William Avern b: 1794 Rowington, Warwickshire, England Baptism: 04 Jan 1795 Rowington to James & Mary-Ann d: 1871 in Coventry, Warwick, England
. +Elizabeth b: 1796 Baginton, Warwick, England d: 1870 in Coventry, Warwick, England
2 William Avern b: 12 Jan 1821 Kenilworth, Warwick, England d: 1887 in Coventry, Warwick, England
2 Catherine Avern b: 1825 Stivichall, Warwick, England d: 1895 in Coventry, Warwick, England
2 Ellen Avern b: 1831 Coventry Grandborough, Warwick, England
2 Clement Avern b: 1834 Coventry, Warwick, England
2 Thomas Avern b: 1836 Coventry, Warwick, England d: 1851
2 Isaac Avern b: 1840 Coventry, Warwick, England d: 1842 in Coventry, Warwick, England

Re: Avern's in Rowington Warwickshire

t_fouillard — 2006-04-10 04:34:48Z

Re: Avern's in Rowington Warwickshire

2006-04-10 03:14:18Z

Can you tell me if the John Avern in my listing whose wife was Mary born about 1855?

There were so many Thomas Averns that we are having trouble keeping them straight. Both the will of William Avern and William's son Clement's will mention Clement's son Thomas but we have been unable to find any kind of birth entry or anything else for him, and have to wonder if he is one of the Thomas Avern that we have without a set of parents.

There are 2 different Thomas and Mary Ann Avern headstones in the Rowington cemetery, unfortunately one has unreadable dates according to the fiche I have.

Are the other family members connected to the Avern tree all by the name of Morley or do you have other names? Where were they from, it might narrow down things a little, although the Avern family seems to have moved around quite a bit.

Teresa

Re: Averns at the Malt House in Rowington

2006-04-07 09:10:45Z

In trying to complete the final link for my house, the 1817 Indenture I mention above says that the house was "built by the late father of Mary Ann Avern, wife of Thomas Avern". Can anyone tell me who Mary Ann's father was and when he died?

PS I've spotted a typo in my original post: "15th Jan 1750 Let to Joseph Avern" should read "15th Jan 1750 Let BY Joseph Avern to William Avern"

Nick

Averns at the Malt House in Rowington

rowington — 2006-04-03 12:06:20Z

The deeds to my house in Rowington show that it originally belonged to the Averns as part of "a messuage (i.e house and outbuildings) and
5 closes (i.e ?fields) of land" that included the Malt House and, at that time, a windmill adjacent to it.
My cottage and a small part of this land was sold by Thomas Avern and Mary Ann his wife on 1st December 1817 to William Gardner.
Prior to this, I have other references to Averns owning this land:
10th Oct 1745 Joseph Avern and Sarah his wife
15th Jan 1750 Let to Joseph Avern
18th Jan 1775 William Avern left the land to Thomas Avern in his will
15th Aug 1792 Let to Thomas Avern the younger
2nd Nov 1815 Reference to "Mary Avern widow and relict of the late Thomas Avern intestate deceased"
1th Feb 1817 Reference to "Mary Avern widow, Thomas Avern and Mary Ann his wife" - so presumably Mary was married to Thomas the elder and his son, also Thomas,
married Mary Ann - confusing!

JOHN AVERN AND CATHERINE WRIGHT

Perriss — 2006-03-29 09:12:27Z

Does anyone have information on the marriage or birthplaces of this couple?

All I know is that by the time of their son, George's marraige in 1875 Charlotte was deceased. Their son was married in Edinburgh but they were born in England. Can anyone help?

Re: Avern's in Rowington Warwickshire

t_fouillard — 2006-03-05 21:31:23Z

Re: Avern's in Rowington Warwickshire

2006-02-13 08:35:05Z

My James Avern was born in 1806 census says in Knowle . becomes a carpenter and goes on to marry Elizabth Taylor.of Rowington//
They they Live in Rowington.
I know Some Of Elizabeths history but
I do not know James Parents or sibling Yet.. Any helpers??