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Re: Surname Bastard.

s_j_ramage — 2011-09-28 01:26:09Z

I would be interested in having your email address and I could send you additional information.

Re: Surname Bastard.

DeGower — 2011-09-28 00:31:39Z

We are definitely talking the same tree. I also have found out that John Bastard's wife name was probably Susanna Hipperson not Huffman, their daughter Mary Ann was my gr.gr. grandmother,married to William John Gower,also born in McGillivary Twp.Huron Co.On. I'm trying to find out more about the families in Norfolk,England. Especially as it seems my gr.gr. grandfather Gower and my gr.gr.gr. grandfather Gower both married Mary Ann's ,both with the surname Bastard originally. Although they seemed to have both changed their surnames at different times in the census. One was listed as Beasley the other as Bolan. I believe that they must have had a close familial relationship to each other,just not sure how close. Funny that a father and a son both marry a Mary Ann Bastard. Hope to hear from you and any Hipperson info.or Bastard you have.

Re: Surname Bastard.

s_j_ramage — 2011-09-24 19:43:42Z

You are researching part of the same tree I am... My g.g.grandmother was Martha Ann Bastard (Bestard), who married Wm. Woods, son of Samuel Bastard and Jane Kelly. Samuel's parents were John and Susanna Hipperson from the information I have collected. I would be interested in sharing information. From my information all the above noted "Bastards" were born in the UK. My information has them living in Middlesex County, McGilivary Township, but then Samuuel moved to Euphrasia Township in Grey County.

Re: John Bastard

1m825 — 2011-09-16 19:24:49Z

Interested to read this. My GGG grandfather,was John Bastard, born (I think ) 1811 the son of William and Thomasin Hawken. William's parents were I think, John born about 1748 and Jane Hocken.

I have info about John (born 1811) and his wife and children. I've only just found out he was born in Cornwall having looked at Devon records for ages. Any more information re his parents William and Thomasin or indeed William parents would be gratefully received.

John (born 1811) was a Caulker, worked in Shipyards and had 9 children!

Re: BASTARDS

DeGower — 2011-09-03 14:23:06Z

We are probably related too each other twice,distant cousins as both my gr.gr. grandmother and gr.gr.gr. grandmother were born with the surname Bastard. Both as I mentioned married William Gowers father and son. My mother was born in London On. and raised in Toronto. Her mother was a young WW1 widow who had come to Canada with her first husband after the war and he died tragically within a year of marriage. She then met my grandfather in the 1920's an married again, my mother was the youngest child. She met and married my father who moved to the Ottawa Valley where my father's family have deep roots in McNab and Horton Twps. being descended from some of the founding pioneer familys as well as other early settlers.I reside at present in the Capital region, I lived for many years overseas outside Canada.

Re: BASTARDS

AshmoreM — 2011-09-02 23:32:00Z

Sharon was wondering whereabouts you were located

Re: BASTARDS

AshmoreM — 2011-09-02 23:29:50Z

I am a good friend of Sharon Ramage of Grey County.Her great grandmother was Martha Bastard b 1859 dtr of Samuel.She is currently preparing her tree with the assistance of this itinerant limey.We plan a trip to the UK in May next year and there is no substitute for parish registers before 1837 so if we make Norwich we will let you know as indeed with any other major developments.

Re: BASTARDS

DeGower — 2011-09-02 22:08:57Z

You are definitely researching some of my family tree, that Mary Ann married to a Gower would have been my gr.gr.gr. grandmother. I agree that the name Bastard has some proud roots. It dates back to the Norman Conquest, and I'm sure you know the mythology that its first bearer may have been an out of wedlock son of either William himself or his son Robert. Would be interesting if this could be verified. please to keep in touch and any new info. you discover. I would be indebted. Are you a distant relative or just researching for the person you mentioned.

Re: BASTARDS

AshmoreM — 2011-09-02 21:51:56Z

I agree with all you say but here is my opinion of what has transpired.There are a lot of people with the surname Bastard in Norfolk and John of that name(per IGI called Bairstard) married a Susannah Hipperson in saxlingham 1823 and emigrated to Canada several years later with his children Samuel (1828)and Mary Ann his sister(plus a Gower spouse)Mary Ann is recorded in the IGI as born Barney,Norfolk in 1807. Samuel used his name likely until he died in 1914 but his spouse(Jane Kelley) or his children changed his name to Bestward on his stone.His children had a variety of names including Bestard and his property purchase in 1868 in Euphrasia twp was recorded by transcibers as Bastard(Bashard).
Confirmation of the IGI details as well as several other Bastard births will hopefully be corroborated by a visit to the Norwich record office parish registers for the period.I will post if I can do this in the next year.
All we can conclude is that a 'rose by any other name smells as sweet'Bastard was a famous historical name and likely deserves as much respect as any other.

Re: BASTARDS

DeGower — 2011-09-01 14:04:09Z

Am very curious to learn more about your info. Through my own research have discovered some info. on my family tree. Canadian census records etc. from before 1851 are difficult to find and the people employed to do so at the time were not always the most educated as well as the people they received the info.from,thus you have a variety of mistakes from dates of birth to the given names,and surnames. Plus you have the added disinformation of people who bore the surname Bastard. Spelled many ways, both my gr.gr. grandmother,and gr.gr.gr. grandmother had the same maiden name and given name,must be related somehow in their family tree's. One gave her maiden name on some census as Bolan, the other as Beasley. Both were married to William Gower's. Father and son, my gr.gr.gr. grandfather and his son my gr.gr. grandfather.

Re: BASTARDS

AshmoreM — 2011-08-29 21:07:15Z

The information you have has given me several leads on behalf of a friend who is the great granddaughter of Martha Ann Bestard(sic)dtr of Samuel Bastard b 1828.I have the following questions on trying to confirm the data.
a)I have a marriage of John Barstaid to Susannah Hipperson in Saxlingham Norfolk 9th Dec.,1823 per IGI.No birth details traced for either in IGI.

b)There is an inconsistency for Mary Ann B with dob,marriage and marriage location.
c) Thomas appears to have married Isabella and appears in the 1881 census with 12 children in Stephen Twp
d)James is in Biddulph,On with the mother Susan in 1881
e)Susannah b 1844 m John Kelley and d 1884 stone in Stokes Bay Cem Lindsay,Bruce Cty
f)Samuel m Jane Kelley b 1828? d 1914 stone in Stokes Bay Cem,Lindsay,Bruce Cty.Many children will supply details on request.
If you can clarify thankyou for your help.Mike

Re: Bastard Dinnington or North Shields

shutch41 — 2011-08-19 09:00:06Z

My father was your mother's brother Robert. He moved to Scotland when he married and we were brought up in Dundee. I have only started recently andso far have not made much progress. I still keep in touch with my cousin Derek who I presume must be you cousin too.

Susan Hutchison

Re: Bastard Dinnington or North Shields

jeanaitken33 — 2011-07-23 14:34:52Z

Hi, read your message from ancestry. The aunt Francis you mentioned was my mother.
I started doing a search quite a few years ago,but could only get so far. I know that the Bastard family are originally from Cley in Norfolk.
If you would like to keep in touch maybe we could share our information we have, and hopefully find out more. Hope to hear from you. By the way who are you?

Re: Children of Thomas and Frances Bastard - Sheerness

frankjmaloney — 2011-07-22 15:39:30Z

Hi Ann, not specific to your posting but I am trying to trace a Robert Bastard Patey from Devon. I assume his mother's name may have been Bastard. Coincidentally his son Henry Patey moved to Sheppey in the 1860's. My mother's family are all from Sheppey names such as Little and Philpott and Lee
Pam Maloney

Bastard Dinnington or North Shields

shutch41 — 2011-07-13 11:24:54Z

I amlooking for my fathers relatives. He was born in North Shields I think. I know my grandparents lived in Dinnington and I also know I had an Uncle Joe, Aunt FRances, Aunt Sarah
who all at one time lived in dinnington

Re: Bastard Family from England

DeGower — 2011-06-22 18:52:24Z

Believe we may be researching common family ancestors. I am researching family with the surname Bastard also, they are from the area of Saxlingham and Sharrington ,Norfolk, England also. Mine emigrated originally to Canada in the 1830's.

Re: BASTARDS

DeGower — 2011-06-22 18:47:39Z

Am curious as to whether you could be possibly distantly related to a branch of my family tree. I am descended from two women who bore the surname Bastard and are from Saxlingham/Sharrington area of Norfolk,England. One of my ancestors John Bastard/Barstard born around 1801-1804 married a Sussannah Hipperson in the 1830's and emigrated to Canada. Do you know if somewhere in your geneaology these names mean anything.

Re: BASTARDS

DeGower — 2011-02-04 18:05:18Z

Dear Sir. I came upon your info. on ancestry. I am also a descendant of a branch of the Bastard/Barstard family. Two of my ancestresses in a branch of my family bore that surname ,but like you altered it in Canada, would have been very difficult in Victorian times to have the surname. My ancestors came from Norfolk also I believe. John Bastard and his wife Susannah Huffman emigrated to Ontatio, Canada in the 1830's.From somewhere in Norfolk area, have to look it up again.Believe Whitechurch area and in Sharrington ,Norfolk.

Re: John Bastard

sarahhaha1 — 2010-09-24 11:14:04Z

Hi Rae,

John Bastard is actually my x6 G/Grandfather, and had 3 sisters. John and Jane had 7 children. The records I have shows that William Bastard, son of John and brother to John, married Thomasin Hawken in 1799. Not much info on brother John, but William and Thomasin had 4 children and 4 grandchildren.

I've only just taken a real interest in my family history, what a shot it was to find your post, very uncanny!

Re: BASTARDS

DeGower — 2010-09-03 17:18:04Z

Destiny 787.
In reply to your query on 15 th. of August. I am descended from Mary Ann Bastard born in 1841 in Mc Gillvary Twp. On. Canada. She married my gr.gr. grandfather William John Gower. I still have to email you with more info. on what I know of my mother's paternal side.

Re: BASTARDS

destiny787 — 2010-08-16 01:24:03Z

Which brother of the Bastard family descendent are you? I have followed from John Bastard b.1803-1804 d.1860-1880.
He was born in Whitechurch England, raised in Sharrington Norfolk, arrived in Peel Co. Ontario Canada 1836 ish. He died in Huron,Middlesex Ontario Canada in the year I have no idea yet.
John married Susanna Huffman b.1803-1804 Whitechurch,England.( I would like information on her as in parents if you have this information.
Their children--
--Samuel b.1828 Whitechurch Eng.
Samuel( married Jane?
their kids Martha,Susan,Nancy Jane,Mary Ellen,Caroline)
Samuel immigrated to North Grey Ontario canada
--Thomas J b.June 21.1835 Whitechurch Eng.
Thomas( married Isabella ?
their children Mary,William,Henry,Robert,Emma,Frank,Sarah Jane)
Also immigrated to Canada.
--Martha b.1836 d.1836 Sharrington Norfolk,England
--James b. 1838-1839 d.1896 Middlesex Co. Ontario Canada
--Mary Ann b.Oct 1,1841 McGillvray Twp Middlesex Co.Ontario Canada
d.Sept 30,1903 Crediton Huron, Ontario Canada
--Susannah b.1844 Huron,Co.Ontario Canada
d.Aug 13,1884 Bruce Co. Ontario Canada
Mary Ann Bastard married William Gower in Sharrington Norfolk,England
on Oct 16,1832. I am interested in any information on this Mary Ann her parents, siblings and any pictures of the family and the Norfolk area as well as home stead pictures if you have any.

Thank-you in advance

Re: My Bastards from Kent

CJHarding — 2010-04-03 11:52:48Z

Hello!

Don't know if I can help. My John was born in 1791. His wife Sarah in 1796.

As far as I know, no one in the line went to Canada (can also be pretty sure they didn't even know where Canada was!! Most couldn't even sign their own name! :)

Their daughter Mary Ann was born on 06.07.1820. She might have gone abroad but at such an early age? and with who? Sarah is still having kids in Sheppy around 1836 so it could all just be a name coincidence.

But keep me posted and vice-versa, if we trip up on new info! Happy hunting. And Happy Easter!

Charlotte.

Thomas Barnabus BASTARD

epicurus_1 — 2010-03-13 07:35:23Z

My gt gt gt grandfather was a Thomas Barnabas BASTARD born Cripplegate MSX, ENG on 22 Sept. 1818. He married Elizabeth Lucy WORSTER on 18 Aug 1849. She was born on 6 Oct 1822. He migrated to South Australia in 1853 on board the "William Stuart". He was a boot maker, singer, swimming instructor, leasee of the Adelaide City Baths, hotel licensee and for a few months a gold miner in the Victorian gold fields.

He wrote his autobiography called "Autobiography of Cockney Tom" which is online at (gutenberg.net.au/ebooks08/0800591h.html). His wife died in 1877, 4 years before the book. Soon after the book he married Arrowa Camilla TANNER. He had converted from Anglican to RC to the consternation of his family but seems to have converted backed again to Anglican after marrying his second wife.

I am descended from his eldest child Elizabeth Lucy BASTARD (EDWARDS) born 5 Oct 1841 at Saint Saviours, Surrey, ENG. She was left out of his will in what is a mystery. She is buried in the Catholic section of West Terrace Cemetery while her father Tom is buried in what was the Anglican North Road Cemetery.

Elizabeth Lucy BASTARD married twice, first to Frederick O'Shannon (SHANNON - he dropped the "O") and then to William Edward TYERS who was known as just William EDWARDS and he is my gt gt grandfather. Strangely he is not buried with his wife but in the Anglican North Road Cemtery. It's a mystery why Elizabeth is buried in the RC section of West Terrace because none of Tom's family converted to RC when Tom converted. They remained loyal Anglicans. She may have converted under the influence of her first husband Frederick O'Shannon. Her second husband and all her descendants by him were Anglicans down to my generation.

Re: My Bastards from Kent

DeGower — 2010-03-12 16:05:42Z

Interested in what year your John Bastard was born. I have recently found out my mothers paternal gr.grandmother was born Mary Ann Bastard. Her father was named John and was born in England around 1804. He was married to a Susanna Huffman. They arrived in Ontario Canada sometime in the early 1830's I believe. Believe his wife might have beem born there also around 1804.If you have any knowledge of what happened to your John please let me know.

Surname Bastard.

DeGower — 2010-02-25 03:23:24Z

I have recently discovered that I my great great grandmothers maiden name was Bastard. It appears in a few various forms in cenus records in On. Canada. She seems to have changed it to Beasley at times, possibly out of embarassment. I'm trying to research her father who was named John Bastard born around 1800-1810. Not sure whether in British Isles or On.Canada or America.He was married to a Susannah Huffman,born around 1800-1810.Believe they were married in On.Canada between1830-1840. I believe she might have been born in On. Canada. I know the family resided in Huron, and Middlesex Co. On.Canada in 1850 on. More info on them would be appreciated.

Surname Bastard

DeGower — 2010-02-22 16:20:45Z

I am trying to locate any info. on an ancestor John Bastard.(No Pun Intended).He was born between 1800-1820. Married a Susannah Huffman born somewhere between 1800-1820. Not sure where they were born or married. All I know is that they were living and died in Ontario Canada. Believe they resided in Huron or middlesex Co. On. Canada. The family also sometimes in census use the name Bestard and Beasley. One of their daughters Mary Ann used all three surnames in different Canadian census. She was my gr.gr. grandmother Gower, married to William John Gower circa 1863. Want to know more about the Bastard/Huffman families.

Re: Looking for Bastard's of Sheppy or Sheerness

CJHarding — 2009-07-12 10:20:26Z

Carolyn,
Looks like I found my references again!

I found some of John & Sarah Bastard's kids in the IGI Index as follows:

Sheerness Kent, 1791-1837 Barch No. C068601 - Births

Elizabeth Ann b. 31.08.1815
John William b. 6.11.1817
Mary Ann b. 06.07.1820 (Happy Belated 189th B'day!)
Harriot b. 01.06.1827
Martha b. 08.03.1829

Which took me to the 1841 Census in Sheppy, Minister, where John, Sarah, Harriet (HarriOt?)and Martha are a match, adding

Ester b. 1831
Susan b. 1833
Eliza b. 1836

I assume kids Elizabeth, John and Mary by this time have upped, married or are working off the island someplace. (in fact Elizabeth marries in 1844 to my Henry - so she's probably somewhere in London - have to research her whereabouts in 1841 still.

I find my Elizabeth on the 1951 Census, with her new family.

So in conclusion - Bastrid is probably Bastard, therefore a misprint as you say. And I'm not sure now where I got the Sarah Bastrid from. Yikes!

So will you be able to share any info. about John's family with me? Sounds like you have gone back past 1791 then. Lucky you! John has a younger brother Thomas? Curious now! Hope you can help!

Charlotte.

Re: Looking for Bastard's of Sheppy or Sheerness

CJHarding — 2009-07-12 08:22:57Z

Thanks Carolyn!
(Sorry in the delay of reply.)
You know it's odd. I went back to my "Bastard" file after reading your mail and I have a hand written note that Elizabeth Ann's parents are John Bastard and Sarah Tucker, but exceptionally I have no support evidence to go with it. Goodness knows how or where I have these names, which are the same as yours. I will hunt back in my note books again, and try and find the link again. If I get it then we have a match and I'll contact you again about the John side - I have nothing further than her parents names. I don't even know if she has sibblings. I live in germany which makes the access to deeper records, like parish records, an expensive nightmare, hiring researchers etc..!
Thanks so much for your mail. I really hope I'll be able to get back to you and we have a match.
Have a nice weekend,
Charlotte.

Re: Looking for Bastard's of Sheppy or Sheerness

cwaters156 — 2009-07-03 17:23:03Z

Hi Charlotte,
Probably not much help but, I have and Elizabeth Ann Bastard b. 1815 Sheerness, but her parents are John Bastard and Sarah Tucker not Susan as you are looking for.
This Elizabeth is on the 1841 census as Bastrid, but it seems a mis-transcribe. Although a few strains of the family have slightly changed the name from Bastard for the obvious reason Bastrid does not seem to be one of the official changes.
My links come off Johns younger brother Thomas.

Sorry if this a waste of time.
Kind regards
Carolyn

Re: Children of Thomas and Frances Bastard - Sheerness

cwaters156 — 2009-07-03 17:09:37Z

Hi Ann
My gg Grandfather was Alfred b. 1840, he m Emma Ruff, they had 3 issue, Alfred d. only approx 1, then Annie and my g grandmother Kate Kenealy b. 1879 d. 1856. She m. Frederick Calverley in 1901, they had 7 issue, the 5th born although 4th surviving was William Alfred b. 1910 who was my Grandad, he 1st m. Hilda Jane Swinyard, they had 7 issue, the eldest my Mum Sheila. As you can imagine all of these people with 7 issue, there are too many extended family to tell you about now.
As far as the other people you are looking for, Thomas George m Mary Ann Elizabeth Chubb 1826 - 1884, they had 7 issue.
Not sure at the moment about Sophia - would love to hear if you find out more.
William John m. 1st Emma Brown, had 4 issue, then 2nd m. Elizabeth Frances Robins (still looking if there a connection to the earlier Frances Robins)

What is the link to you and this family???? I have the family back another couple of generations back from Thomas and Frances.

Look forward to hearing from you in the future.
Kind regards
Carolyn

Re: Children of Thomas and Frances Bastard - Sheerness

cwaters156 — 2009-04-19 16:31:02Z

Alfred b. 1839 m Emma Ruff, had 3 children, Alfred 1873 Annie 1875 and Kate Kenealy 1879. Kate got the name Kenealy as just before she was born her father was on the jury of Kenealy murder trial, so hence the name!!!
Kate m. Frederick William Calverley, and had 7 children, the eldest Sheila was my Mum.
I have seen some research with 2 Alfred's born to Thomas & Frances, the first 1834 the 2nd 1840, it's the 2nd one that I think is right, don't know if first on died or what.
I haven't got an exact dob for Alfred but somewhere 1839 or 1840
Hope this helps, but realise that you posted this message 4 years ago, so you probably already have your answers.

Re: Bastard Family in Cornwall

alvadore — 2008-11-30 23:10:52Z

Anne-Marie,
I have Bastard ancestors from Antony but haven't been able to find much.
Phillip Bastard b: ~ 1760 St Antony mar: Sally Fortescue of St Antony, child: Harry b: 1786 in Stoke Dameral.

A generation further back is his father Harry Bastard b: est 1730 who was a barge master. I am hoping to learn more about this family.

Re: My Bastards from Kent

CJHarding — 2008-10-06 21:42:44Z

I'm so happy it's a match - just got to be proved!
I have records from various sources (now) about this family, but you mention a Maria (1st born?) who nobody mentions before, and a name I haven't come across either before today. Also I have a Susanna/Susannah b.ca.1833 whom you call Susan. I guess that's a just a name variation on the Census) Please can you tell me a little more about Maria? And your sources?
According to my (new) other sources (in Australia!) the only reference to Elizabeth's mother Sarah's maiden name, Tucker, lies with the IGI Index in the record of the christening of Mary Ann (1820). May you also tell me your source to prove marriage between John Bastard, son of John Bastard and Sarah Tucker? We'd all love to know! They say proof lies within 3 pieces of evidence. We only have 2 so far! Have you any references to John Bastard Senior's (b.1753?) parents? Or to Sarah Tucker's come to think of it? I can give you the info I know on Elizabeth if you wish. Please feel free to contact me over personal mail on cjh@wordsnmore.de. I'm thrilled!
Best regards,
Charlotte.

Re: My Bastards from Kent

neillsonline — 2008-10-06 12:05:33Z

I have an Elizabeth Bastard born c.1815, parents John and Sarah. nee Tucker. This Elizabeth is my 4G Aunt. Her sister Sarah is my 3G Grandmother born c.1812 who went on to marry Joseph Robins in 1841.

I have no other information on this Elizabeth other than she had siblings, Sarah, as above, Maria, John, Mary, Louisa, Harriet, Martha, Esther, Susan and Eliza.

Does this match?

Re: My Bastards from Kent

CJHarding — 2008-10-03 15:17:05Z

You wouldn't happen to know anything about or have an Elizabeth Ann Bastard in your line, born in Sheppy, Sheerness, Kent in ca. 1817 to John & Sarah Bastard, would you now?
With hope,
Charlotte Harding

Looking for Bastard's of Sheppy or Sheerness

CJHarding — 2008-10-02 10:57:12Z

Elizabeth Ann Bastard reportedly was born around 1817 and married Henry Newcombe in 1844.

She apparently, according to various certs. and census's was born in "Sheppy" or "Isle of Sheppy" or "Sheerness", and is to be found under "Elizabeth A". or "Ann" in official documents.

According to an IGI record there is an Elizabeth Ann Bastard in the area. Her parents are John & Susan Bastard, and she was born on the 31st August 1815 in Bethel Chapel Union Street, Independent, Sheerness, Kent, England.

Looking up the Bastards of Sheppy, I only come across one family in the 1841 Census supporting the names of John & Susan (no Elizabeth's or Ann's) but they are a large family of Bastrid's.

Should Elizabeth have been a Bastrid why would she have wanted to change her name?! I have her wedding certificate on order, but can anyone else help me trace her family beyond 1837?

With thanks,
Charlotte.

Re: BASTARDS

geoff5552 — 2008-09-02 23:47:37Z

You poor Bastard, I also was afflicted with a version of that name - Barstard. Originating in Norfolk. My father married and moved to Ashington in Northumberland after the war, and myself and 3 brothers were always fighting in defence of the name. I finally changed my name in 1981 as I was getting married. My brother Tony and his family still continue with the name in Norfolk.

Re: Bastard Family in Cornwall

exitt95 — 2007-12-20 01:17:00Z

Has anyone on the Bastard Boards tested their YDNA Profile? Thanks

Re: Bastard Family in Cornwall

exitt95 — 2007-11-01 20:55:48Z

I can send you some info on what I have learned..and I can send you a link to an EBook that list the De Bastard Family... The Book is in French and was published in 1860...but it does suggest the family line settled in many spots in England. I can also go over how I think my line links back up to De Bastard. Feel free to contact me directly at exitt95@comcast.net Sean

Re: Bastard Family in Cornwall

muke1696 — 2007-11-01 20:37:24Z

Hi

I believe that it could be, however I have not proved it. I have heard a family story that the line came from brittany so maybe it is. I am stuck however at 1780 at the moment.

Have you any further information

Re: Bastard Family in Cornwall

ancestralfamilytrees — 2007-11-01 18:43:23Z

Sorry, I have no idea.

I'm really concentrating on the descendants of the children of John Thomas BASTARD b 1842 in Torpoint [s/o John BASTARD & Margaret Ann WESTERBY] and his wife Elizabeth who settled later in Portsea, Hampshire.

Good Luck!

Re: Bastard Family in Cornwall

exitt95 — 2007-11-01 18:30:42Z

Just saw your posting..and was wondering if you knew if you were part of the De Bastard family originally from Brittany that came over with the Conquerer and reportedly could be traced through the Devonshire area. I know this is a long shot...but thought I would ask. Sean

Re: Bastard Family in Cornwall

DarcyDepp — 2007-10-17 23:11:07Z

I think the father of John Thomas (b. 18 Oct 1842) was John who married Margaret Ann Weatherly about 1832. I have just started my family history research, so I haven't looked into this yet. One of their sons (they had 9 children) was my GGGrandfather William Henry b. 29 March 1852. He moved to Scotland and indeed his son (my grandfather) changed his name to "Baxter" - Bastard being a difficult name to bear!

Re: John BASTARD & Elizabeth MANICOM of Portsmouth late 1800s

DarcyDepp — 2007-10-17 22:56:55Z

I think the John Bastard and Margaret Ann (Weatherley)you mention may be my GGG Grandfather. My GGGrandfather William Henry Bastard was born on 29 March 1852 in Torpoint. According to family records, his older brother John Thomas was born on 18 Oct 1842. There were 9 children. 3 died in infancy. William Henry moved to Scotland sometime before 1886 and my grandfather Samuel Henry was born in Old Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire in 1886.

I've only just started my family research, but I've got a little more information if this is of interest.

Re: John BASTARD & Elizabeth MANICOM of Portsmouth late 1800s

ancestralfamilytrees — 2007-09-18 15:06:47Z

Pam

Thanks so much for all you've found and what a kind offer! But, since it's posting info on people who are possibly still living, could you email me privately?

familyDOTtreesATyahooDOTca

Re: John BASTARD & Elizabeth MANICOM of Portsmouth late 1800s

pamsmadhouse1 — 2007-09-18 09:44:31Z

Hi
Not related but have looked up Henry Charles BASTARD m Edith Alice Lewis 1911.
Their children:
Henry R. b. Sep Q 1914 Portsmouth 2b 902
Walter L. b. Mar Q 1916 Portsmouth 2b 820
Richard N. b. Mar Q 1917 Portsmouth 2b 723
Betty A. b. Mar Q 1920 Portsmouth 2b 1141

Henry R. Bastard married Hilda F. Foreman Sep Q 1938 at Portsmouth 2b 1620.

Richard N. Bastard married Adeline B. Gidney Sep Q 1941 at
Portsmouth 2b 1441

Betty A. Bastard married Norman A. Totham at Portsmouth 2b 979

Private Walter Leonard Bastard, 2nd Bn Royal Warwickshire Regt, died 24.7.1944 aged 28.

Hope the above helps. Would you like me to continue?

Pam

John BASTARD & Elizabeth MANICOM of Portsmouth late 1800s

ancestralfamilytrees — 2007-09-15 22:54:36Z

I am researching the descendants of John Thomas BASTARD & Elizabeth MANICOM who married 1865 in Stoke Damerel, Devon.

John Thomas BASTARD was born abt 1842 in Torpoint, Cornwall, s/o John BASTARD & Margaret A.

Elizabeth MANICOM was born Nov 03 1848 in Sheerness, Kent, d/o Richard MANICOM & Thomasine SYMONS.

John & Elizabeth had at least 7 children but likely had several more because of large gaps between some of them.

John Richard 1867-1886
Elizabeth Ann 1869; marr William James BRITTON in 1889
Philip Henry 1871
William Charles 1873-1883
George Edmund 1877
Henry Charles 1885; marr Edith LEWIS in 1911
Violet Maude 1892

Elizabeth MANICOM died 1900 in Portsmouth.
John Thomas BASTARD died 1905 in Portsmouth.

Any descendants out there who can offer help?

Re: Bastard Family in Cornwall

ancestralfamilytrees — 2007-09-15 22:48:15Z

Marcus,

You and my husband are distantly related on your MANICOM side!
Elizabeth MANICOM Bastard was born Nov 03 1848 in Sheerness, Kent, d/o Richard MANICOM & Thomasine SYMONS who married 1841 in Stoke Damerel, Devon.

Elizabeth was the 4th of 12 children, several of whom died young.

I have sent you an email just now and hope to hear from you!!

Re: Bastard Family in Cornwall

michelle8671a — 2007-06-22 08:37:17Z

I have an ancestor named mary bastard born abt 1787 in crowan cornwall, married richard dunn 1st november 1813 at Sithney, cornwall and had a daughter mary dunn 1n 1822. Any information regarding the bastard family from this area would be gratefully appreciated.
edenview@btconnect.com

Bastard Family in South Africa

ASTRABMS — 2007-02-11 21:12:40Z

Trying to trace the family of Alexander Russel Bastard and his wifr Mabel (nee Johns). They had two children named Norman and Eira. Mabel died soon after the birth of her second child. The family lived near Bloemfontein. Any info' appreciated.