I found Valentine Bivens marrying Elizabeth Speer in 1803 settling in Cumberland County, KY (2 farms from Daniel Hogan) before migrating to Alabama. Wheeler Bivins married Mary Hogan, whose brother William married Mary Speer (sister to Elizabeth). John Wesley b. 1793 (a name my family used) married Patience Speer in 1815 Cumberland (a cousin to Mary and Elizabeth). John and William settled in Madison County Ark. (living in the same township) and Wheeler in nearby Izard/Marion County, Ark. My family has never used the name "Nathaniel" and I noted that his son John appears on the 1790 and 1800 Anson NC census and died in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina 11 March 1818, according to Gary Keith Bivens who has extensively researched Nathaniel.