Thanks Gene. I do think we are related though. Your line goes through Nathaniel and his father is thought to be William. I do believe it is possible (although speculative) that my line also goes through William. Both the Hogans and Bivens clustered in North Carolina before migrating. John Wesley Bivens in Marion is a geographic and name match for my family using "John" and "John Wesley"; and of course all the Speer spouses.