I have slowly been working through the children of Robert Sr. I haven't seen Don Normans post but years ago I got a long list from him and he had my line as being from Robert's son James who he said married Mary Westfall and then produced my James Madison,etc. I have not totally eliminated James son of Robert, but he would only have been 16 when my James was born (I know that is possible), but I made a trip to Wood Co., WVA where the Westfalls were and the James that married Mary Westfall is not mine. I found tax records and such that did not match. Since I found Thomas and William in Frederick Co., along with my James and Joseph Luckey, I am leaning towards one of them. Do you know anything of these two??