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adriennesoto11 — 2012-07-11 03:38:02Z

I was doing bohall ancestry. I got to grandfather Hooper bohall. Do you no who his father. Mother are and what is his ancestry thank you for help

Re: Jean Bohalle site

bohallp — 2011-10-15 19:22:24Z

MORE NEWS ON THE BOHAL/BOHALL families

The French and Bretons have been busy scanning and publishing all sorts of things. Recently they put together a History of Pleucadeuc in Morbihan in Brittany in France.

We've visited the site before ~ and a small town named Bohal. Problem was other than a reference to a Viscount Bohal and Henry De Bohal there wasn't a whole lot to work on.

Then, lo and behold when I did extensive reading on Rene d'Anjou (circa 1420-1480) it was mentioned that Henry De Bohal paid something like $50 million in gold to release Rene from captivity at the hands of the Duke of Boulogne (the then ruler of Burgundy and an enemy of the French ~ particularly the Bourbon family ~ which, Rene, having Bourbon ties, found himself a target for all sorts of things.

Rene was also Jeanne d'Arc's political sponsor at court.

By the time we got to his later years we find that things have improved in the Bohall and Rene d'Anjou relationship and Jean (John) had a bunch of titles (mentioned before) and was, in fact, the holder of the Power of Attorney over Rene's second wife. He is, at that time, apparently married to one of Rene's numerous daughters or grandaughters (a Catherine). Rene also had 3 concubines!

So, I've spent a good 10 years trying to find more on this relationship and where this JOHN BOHALL came from. Obviously there was an earlier relationship between HENRY BOHALL and Rene, so what about John and Henry?

That's were we get back to the town of Bohal. It used to be the Bohal Manor. It was owned by various families in the mid 1500s so the current histories tended to focus on its most famous owner ~ the family of ADMIRAL COLIGNY, the Huguenot Leader!

But in the 1400s it was owned by families named Bohal, Boulbart, Villenueve, and some others. But it was owned mostly by Bohal.

This was part of a large estate and Henry De Bohal had a lot of land. He also owned a swampy area of bottom land called Nederland Bohal, or Lower Bohal. He owned a private chapel or two, and these chapels were passed around with the various other noble families, maybe to pay debts or borrow money.

According to local stories Anne of Brittany was buried at the Bohal estate ~ you can look her up BTW ~ she was married to three kings, two of the kings of France. She was the richest woman in the world in her day.

She got buried in the Bohal family back yard.

Earlier Henry De Bohal was one of the richest people in the world as well. However, until he ransomed Rene he was not able to buy land in France. Rene got authorization for Henry to buy land there.

Next thing you know there's a Jean Bohall, another Jean Bohall, and several Jehan Bohal's back in Brittany. Same guys. Jehan is Breton for John. Much as Jean is French for John.

These guys turned into Protestants (along with a bunch of other rural Breton nobles). That's why you have Jean Bohall's statue at the Chateaux (fortress) of Saumur.

I figure they left France early in the Religious Wars and took up opportunities in Nederlands and in Sweden.

Other Bourbon relatives under the title "Beaujolais" had preceded them to Sweden where the new Vassa King had a Grandmother with the Beaujolais title.

Try these names:

What Xtian Name Surname Who Title Where Detdate Date Notes

Hill Terois Trehoet Pleucadeuc

Couédelo Pleucadeuc A Pond

Pleucadeuc Cultivated Around The Claie River
Hill Of Bretin Pleucadeuc Menhir Array ~ A Huge One
Pleucadeuc Town Part Of Questembert.
Questembert Canton Part Of Vannes
Menhirs Pleucadeuc Sent To Canal From Nantes To Brest
Parish Estates Old Town Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates Bayon Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates Bégasson Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates Henry De Bohal Pleucadeuc
Reforms 1427 Bonabes Bohal (Lower Bohal Village Kergo Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates Bohal Netherlands (Bohall Swamp) Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates Bonnet Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates Cadet Malestroit Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates Closnine(Le). Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates Coetdelo, Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates Combe (La) Pleucadeuc
Hyacinthe Cosnoal Pleucadeuc Husband of Ermat
Parish Estates Cosnoal Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates Dava Pleucadeuc
Reforms 1427 William De La Key (The Grouaye, Kergo Village Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates Ermar Pleucadeuc
Francoise Ermat Lady Lieuzel Pleucadeuc Francoise Wife Of Cosnoal
Parish Estates Goray Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates La Houssaye Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates Launay Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates Lieuzel Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates Lilliac Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates Moisan Pleucadeuc
Morbihan Part Of Brittany
Parish Estates Morinaye Pleucadeuc
Reforms 1427 Perrot Perrot Bolebar Pondarre (Villeneuve, Village Kergo). Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates Préaubert Carheil. Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates Prevotaye Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates Reinon Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates River Pleucadeuc
Roga The Hermitage Of, In St.Congard
Parish Estates Serent Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates St. Maugon Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates Tertre, The Coui. Pleucadeuc
Parish Estates Therault Grenier Pleucadeuc
Vannes Part Of Morbihan
Botgarth Pleucadeuc Nomine Dicitur 217 Ccixviii (217)
A Roman House Pleucadeuc 800 Ruins
Couédelo Pleucadeuc 800 Proof Of Breton Immigration To Here
Kergo, Pleucadeuc 800 Proof Of Breton Immigration To Here
Plécatoc Pleucadeuc 800 Original Name
Priziac Pleucadeuc 800 Proof Of Breton Immigration To Here
Quillian Pleucadeuc 800 Proof Of Breton Immigration To Here
Trégou Pleucadeuc 800 Proof Of Breton Immigration To Here
Tréhoet Pleucadeuc 800 Proof Of Breton Immigration To Here
Tyern Jarnhitin Worwelet Pleucadeuc 816 Bought Land From Botgarth Or Rosgal
Jame De Twido Botsarphin Pleucadeuc 826 Acquired Land
Portitoé Conwal Bachon Pleucadeuc 833
Tyern Conwal Bachon Pleucadeuc 833 Gave Land To Redon Abbey
Botgarth Land Pleucadeuc 834 Given To Abbey Of Redon
Founded Plou
Cadoc Pleucadeuc Paris Of Cadoc 837
Tyern Conwal Cranquarima Monestery Pleucadeuc 837 Gift To
Tyern Conwal Gurguelet Monestery Pleucadeuc 837 Mention
Tyern Conwal Worwelet Monestery Pleucadeuc 837 Mention
Tyern Conwal Roga Monestery Pleucadeuc 837 Still Part Of Redon
Botgarth Coët-Len King Of Brittany Battle Of Ballon Bains Sur Oust 845
Glas Cadoc Pleucadeuc Monk Charter Signed “In Plebe Cadoc” 845 Cadoc’s Servant
Nominoe Vannes King Of Brittany Battle Of Ballon Bains Sur Oust 845
Pen Was Botsarphin Pleucadeuc 869 Acquired Land
Botsarphin Pleucadeuc 872 Given To Abbey Of Redon
Gongard Saint- 1000 Part Of Pleucadeuc Before 1100s
Malestroit 1000 Part Of Pleucadeuc Before 1100s
Manor Of Pleucadeuc Pleucadeuc Middle Ages(?) 1300 Became Part Of Rochefort
Public Courts Pleucadeuc Middle Ages 1300 Manor Owned By
Henry Bot De Villeneuve Manor Bohal Owned By Henry De Villeneuve Bot; Pleucadeuc 1300
Lorraine Elbeuf Pleucadeuc Middle Ages 1300 Manor Owned By
Larlan Hay Of Nétumières Pleucadeuc Middle Ages 1300 Manor Owned By
Rieux Pleucadeuc Middle Ages 1300 Manor Owned By
Rochefort Pleucadeuc Middle Ages 1300 Manor Owned By
Boulebart Morinaie Manor Pleucadeuc 1390
Bayon Gorays Manor Pleucadeuc 1400
Foutay Manor Begasson Pleucadeuc 1400
Begasson Manor Gorays Pleucadeuc 1400
Bot Private Chapel Pleucadeuc 1400
. Mahé Pleucadeuc 1400
Gorays Manor Peillac Pleucadeuc 1400
Foutay Manor Queheon Pleucadeuc 1400
Gorays Manor Rieux Pleucadeuc 1400
Gorays Manor This Is A Title Henry De Villeneuve Bohall And Bot Pleucadeuc 1400
Gorays Manor This Is A Title Rohan Of Ford Of The Isle Pleucadeuc 1400
Gorays Manor This Is A Title Viscount Burka Pleucadeuc 1400
Perrot Boulebart Private Chapel Pleucadeu 1426
Gorays Manor William De La Touche Pleucadeuc 1427
Jehan Begaczon Pleucadeuc 1427 Livedhere
Reforms 1427 Jehan Begaczon (La Combe, Village Of Grassaye), Pleucadeuc 1427
Bégasson Pleucadeuc 1427 Owned Combe Castle
Thebaud Bogaczon Manor Bohal Owned By Begasson Family. Pleucadeuc 1427
Bonabes Bohal Manor Bohal Netherlands Pleucadeuc 1427 Nls = Swamp
Perrot Bolebar Morinaie Manor Pleucadeuc 1427
Jehan Boschet Morinaie Castle Pleucadeuc 1427
Reforms 1427 Jehan Boschet Morinaye Village Of La Bosmaye Pleucadeuc 1427
Reforms 1427 Thebaud De Begaczon (Bégasson, Village Bosmaye Pleucadeuc 1427
Reforms 1427 Jehan De Bohal Bonet Town, Village Grassaye) Pleucadeuc 1427
Houisete De Chasteigneraye Pleucadeuc 1427 A Chapel
Reforms 1427 Houisete De Chasteigneraye Provost Of Terra Pleucadeuc 1427
Reforms 1427 De Peillac (Gorray The Village Of Kergo) Pleucadeuc 1427
Reforms 1427 Eonnet Ermar (Lieusel, Village Grassaye), Pleucadeuc 1427
Reforms 1427 Jehan Giffart (Launay, Village Bosmaye Pleucadeuc 1427
Sérent La Houssaye Provost Pleucadeuc 1427
Reforms 1427 Raoul Macquignon (Penhouët) Pleucadeuc 1427
Henry Bohal Morinaie Morinaie Manor Pleucadeuc 1427
Reforms 1427 Jehan Rado (Le Linio, Village De La Grassaye Pleucadeuc 1427
Shows Pierre Bocana Pleucadeuc 8 Sep. 1464 20 Pounds Of Income):
Shows Jehan Bochet Pleucadeuc 1464 8 Sep.
Shows Pierre Boulebart Morinaie Manor Pleucadeuc 1464 8 Sep.
Shows Jehan De Begaczon Pleucadeuc 1464 8 Sep.
Shows Thebaud De Begaczon Pleucadeuc 8 Sep. 1464
Shows William De Begaczon Pleucadeuc 8 Sep. 1464
Shows William De Begaczon ; Pleucadeuc 8 Sep. 1464
Shows Jehan De Bohal Manor Bohal Pleucadeuc 1464 8 Sep.
Shows Jehan De Bohal Pleucadeuc 8 Sep. 1464 30 Pounds Of Income):
Shows Bonabes De Bohal Pleucadeuc 8 Sep. 1464 800 Pounds Of Income)
Shows Jehan De Bosal 1464 8 Sep.
Shows Pierre De Boulebart Pleucadeuc 8 Sep. 1464
Shows Jacques De La Landel Pleucadeuc 8 Sep. 1464 300 Pounds Of Income)
Shows Jehan De Ploerlin Pleucadeuc 1464 8 Sep.
Shows Jehan Ermar Pleucadeuc 8 Sep. 1464
Shows Eon Gueno Pleucadeuc 8 Sep. 1464 (20 Pounds Of Income):
Shows Martin Hastelou Pleucadeuc 8 Sep. 1464 (20 Pounds Of Income
Shows Artur Hastelou Pleucadeuc 8 Sep. 1464 30 Pounds Income
Shows Jehan Macquignon Pleucadeuc 8 Sep. 1464
Shows Jehan Poha Pleucadeuc 8 Sep. 1464 (15 Pounds Of Income
Shows Michel Robert Pleucadeuc 8 Sep. 1464
Shows Pleucadeuc 1481 4 Sep.
Shows Jehan Bocana Pleucadeuc 4 Sep. 1481 40 Pounds Of Income):
Shows Jehan Bochet Pleucadeuc 4 Sep. 1481 60 Pounds Of Income):
Family Pierre Bogaczon Manor Bohall Owned By Bogaczon Pleucadeuc 1481 Part Of Manor Lieuzel In Xiv Century 1300
Pierre Boulebart Morinaie Manor Pleucadeuc 1481
Shows Pierre Boullebar Pleucadeuc 4 Sep. 1481 (20 Pounds Of Income)
Shows Pierre De Begaczon ; Pleucadeuc 1481 4 Sep.
Shows Pierre De Begaczon Pleucadeuc 4 Sep. 1481 15 Pounds Of Income
Jehan De Bohal Manor Bohal Pleucadeuc 1481
Shows Amice De Bohal Pleucadeuc 4 Sep. 1481 20 Pounds Of Income),
Shows Jehan De Bohal Pleucadeuc 4 Sep. 1481 200 Pounds Of Income):
Shows Jehan De Bohal Pleucadeuc 4 Sep. 1481 60 Pounds Of Income);
Shows Yvon De Lester Pleucadeuc 4 Sep. 1481 (30 Pounds Of Income),
Shows Jehan De Ploeherlin Pleucadeuc 4 Sep. 1481 800 Pounds Of Income)
Shows Jehan Ermar Pleucadeuc 4 Sep. 1481 20 Pounds Of Income):
Shows Pierre Goulart Pleucadeuc 4 Sep. 1481 (10 Pounds Of Income);
Shows Jehan Guenno Pleucadeuc 4 Sep. 1481 (10 Pounds Of Income
Shows William Guenno Pleucadeuc 4 Sep. 1481 20 Pounds Of Income)
Shows Ollivier Guichoux Pleucadeuc 1481 4 Sep.
Shows Jehan Guichoux Pleucadeuc 4 Sep. 1481 (60 Pounds Of Income),
Shows Arthur Hastelou Pleucadeuc 4 Sep. 1481 10 Pounds Of Income);
Shows Martin Hastelou Pleucadeuc 4 Sep. 1481 10 Pounds Of Income);
Shows Jehan Lucas Pleucadeuc 4 Sep. 1481 (5 Pounds Of Income);
Shows Jehan Maquignon Pleucadeuc 4 Sep. 1481 20 Pounds Of Income):
Shows Ollivier Nyel Pleucadeuc 1481 4 Sep.
Shows Raollet Paquier Pleucadeuc 4 Sep. 1481 (10 Pounds Of Income);
Shows Jehan Poha Pleucadeuc 1481 4 Sep.
Shows Michel Robert Pleucadeuc 1481 4 Sep.
Former Burial Anne De Brittany Duchess Queen Pleucadeuc 1500 Buried Here
Moved Later
Lieuzel Pleucadeuc 1500 Protestant Chapel
Villeneuve Pleucadeuc 1500 Protestant Chapel
Coligny Pleucadeuc 1567 Manor Owned By
Ermar Pleucadeuc 1586 Mentioned
Isabelle Bot Castle Chapel Lady Lieuzel Pleucadeuc 1611 Founded Chapel Of Lieuzel
Pleucadeuc Decimated Town 1638 Epidemic
Cemetery Even Worse Pleucadeuc 1736 Epidemic
Cemetery Worst In History Pleucadeuc 1737 Epidemic
Parish Pleucadeuc 1757 900 Pounds Income
Cosse Morinaie Castle Pleucadeuc 1870
La Houssaye Morinaie Castle Pleucadeuc 1870
Population Pleucadeuc 1891 1548 Inhabitants

Re: Jean Bohalle

muawiyah1 — 2002-07-26 19:31:48Z

Jean Bohalle site

NellieMason37 — 2002-02-02 18:09:52Z

I hope P. T. Bohall is reading...or anyone who knows how to find the Jean Bohalle site.
Please help me. My mother was a Bohall.

Jean Bohal bust

NellieMason37 — 2002-02-02 18:09:52Z

Great pictures. Thank you. This is probably the same Jean Bohall who was chancellor of the church at Tours, France from 1414 to 1428. Do you have references for all this info? If so, I can get on with another side of my family.

Jean Bohalle family

NellieMason37 — 2002-02-02 18:09:52Z

Thanks for clarifying. I can see you are way down the road ahead of the rest of us.
When will your book be available? I'm very eager to get a hold of it and I know my family members will be too. I think you have corresponded with Gerald Bohall. He and I are first cousins. Now how about a clue as to our cousin status?

Questions

NellieMason37 — 2002-02-02 18:09:52Z

The variety of names is fascinating.
You say, "our website at rcn". How will I find that? Do you know the address yet of the website? Do you want my email? - cnmason@dreamscape.com - or will you post it on this message board? You still didn't say whether you are of Casper, Hooper or Adam. Also, in what area of the country do you live? Northeast, South or whatever...

Re: Jean Bohalle

2002-01-11 19:53:30Z

Re: Jean Bohalle

2002-01-11 19:13:41Z

Sir!
Many thanks for your two messages.
I will take time to read them.
And i will answer you.

Once again so many thanks.
Salvador CARVAJAL

Re: Jean Bohalle

2002-01-11 15:01:17Z

Second Part

Try Roger - the University Library should have a complete collection. Look at all the people in Angiers/Anjou in the 1300-1600 period. Focus on relatives of Rene of Anjou and Jeanne de LaVal (her pappa was a French King once).

This is where you will find them. Use the spellings I have given in the earlier message.

Note that the written French you will find in these early records may well be Gallo and not French. They are two different languages. They spoke Gallo in Anjou in the early period.

And, be prepared to be disappointed. Louis XIII and Louis XIV went to great pains to destroy all of the records of all of their Protestant relatives. They seem to have done an excellent job, even to the extent of burning down churches, schools, institutes, homes, port facilities, customs houses - everything.

Re: Jean Bohalle

2002-01-08 19:25:50Z

Hello i found your mesage on a message board i am puzzlzed by that you wrote, i am living in France, and i may have access to an University library.

Can you brief me about these Bohal?

Thank you so much.
CARVAJAL

Kerbohagh

2001-02-26 14:35:55Z

Well, that's just another one of the mystery names.

It looks like we will be posting it on our website at rcn. As soon as I can get ahold of the oldest son, we will put it up. I have it trimmed down to 1 mg. (about 220 pages, but plenty of references to other sites.)

Your cousin has actually visited La Bohalle. I wish he had also visited Bohal and Bouval, both of which are within 25 or so miles of La Bohalle.

Jean Bohalle

2001-02-25 12:12:35Z

There are two Jean Bohalles. One is affiliated with the church, the other is his "nephew".

Research into conditions at the time revealed it was common for priests to have wives in that part of France.

Ergo, Jean Bohalle is the father of Jean Bohalle.

The priests in this part of France also were later on the foundation of the Protestant Reformation in France. Since almost all priests were the younger sons of the titled nobility, the Protestant Reformation in France happened first among the titled nobles.

What you are looking at in these records of Jean Bohalle and his son Jean Bohalle are just a photograph of a second of their lives.

I believe these men to be part of the "last" royal family of France - the Valois Dynasty. They are running around with the highest ticket people in France at the time.

Look up Rene d'Anjou and his wife Jeanne de LaVal. Their menu for their wedding feast is actually recreated regularly by a number of restaurants in various parts of France.

How many wedding menus from the 1400s do you think were saved?

Both of the Bohalle men would have been in attendance at that feast.

These are highly educated people, and that, in and of itself, was very unusual at the time.

I have worked out a 200+ page book linking into references on the Internet, and citing published works relatively easy to get access to, which covers the Bohall name, if not family, for roughly a 3,000 year period of time.

In all that time, the individuals who left behind the best written record were the two Jean Bohalles.

Bohall History Bust of Jean Bohal 1420

2001-02-25 05:16:55Z

http://www.multimania.com/jbohalle/buste3.jpg

This is a bust of Jean Bohall circa 1420.

Nice, eh?!

This is his father: http://mageos.ifrance.com/Agtvillage/img3.gif

The older gentleman undoubtedly attended the meeting of the estates where Jean d'Arc identified the Dauphin.

The younger gentleman worked for Rene d'Anjou. Rene, among other things, was the fellow who regularly employed Christopher Columbus before he went to work for Isabella of Spain.

Rene was Isabella's grandfather. Our Jean above was the segravier de la foret de beufort pour Jeanne De Laval.

Jeanne was the last Valois princess (her Grandpa was the king of France, folks), and Jean Bohalle had the power of attorney over her property. Jean Bohalle ALSO was responsible for the main castle for Rene, and did a number of other things.

Jean Bohalle was a very high born notable. This Jeanne de Laval seems to be the niece of his wife Catherine, and he himself has 15 or 20 titles besides those I was able to pin on his name.

Later on this entire family with one exception became Protestant. When Louis XIV finally took over and eliminated Protestant liberties, he went about systematically destroying all Protestant family records in France.

This leaves me with a 130 year gap in the French record, between the earliest Bohall we find in America and the last one we find in France.

But, I have found them in Bohemia, Hungary, Poland, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Belgium, England and Scotland.

These people are the descendants of Huguenot refugees.

I also have found them in Spain! In fact, Northwest Spain has been named Point Bohal for the last 3000 or so years.